Orthodox Christianity

In another thread I was asked for an example of a Christian denomination which does not completely support racemixing, or at least doesn't promote it.

For just as each animal mates with its own tribe, so it is right that each nation should marry and cohabit not with those of another race and tongue but with those of the same tribe and speech.
- Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus, DE ADMINISTRANDO IMPERIO

Q: Does God smile on interracial marriages?
A: I wish to respond to the brief comment on several levels. On the level of the issue itself, the expression "God smiles on such marriages" can be understood in a number of ways. If by it, you mean that you believe that God does not encourage racially mixed marriages, the, I believe we are not in disagreement. I feel I made it very clear that the Church does not feel such marriages are desirable, for many different reasons, many of which are practical and have to do with the chance of success for such marriages. In addition, we should also add that the Church holds that races and nations were created by God. Consequently, the total intermarriage would destroy the races which God created. The Church has never advocated or encouraged racially mixed marriages.
- Bishop Iakovos, Prof. of Orthodox Theology

A man pure, without nationality (race) is an abstraction. Since there cannot be an apple without the genetic determination of a certain kind, it is more evident that there cannot be a man without individual national (racial) determination.
- Friar Dumitru Staniloae, Orthodoxy and Nationalism

The sixth commandment:
In most translations of the Bible, Exodus 20:13 and Romans 13:9 are translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." In the literal translation of the Anointed Standard Translation of the New Testament and in the true translation of the Ten Commandments in The Truth Unveiled, these passages are translated as: "You will not mongrelize." At issue in the Greek Septuagint and in the Greek New Testament are two Greek words: ou moicheuseis. In the Latin Vulgate, Exodus 20:13 was translated as non moechaberis and Romans 13:9 as non adulterabis. The Latin word moechaberis is an inflected form of moechari, a transliteration of the Greek moicheuo, and is of little etymological importance since what it means is merely dependent upon what the Greek word means, which we will explore. However, what is important is adulterabis, an inflected form of the word adultero, since this is the Latin word most often used in the Vulgate and elsewhere to translate the Greek word moicheuo. The Greek word ou and the Latin word non are simply negative particles, translated not. Thus, the words that we need to define in order to determine the correct translation of Exodus 20:13 and Romans 13:9 are the Greek word moicheuo and the Latin word adultero. First, in order to define the word moicheuo, let us turn to a commonly used and commonly available dictionary, the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Gerhard Kittel and translated into English by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. Now let us note that Kittel was a well-renowned German Greek scholar and is held in high-esteem by the scholarly community. Under the entry word moicheuo, the following definition is given: "of the intermingling of animals and men or of different races."

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If Orthodoxy is the true path, why did God allow muslims to beat Eastern Christians?

It is the only major denomination that hasn't been influenced by Cultural Marxism or christian Zionism.

God doesn't control every action on earth, this world is a testing grounds for us, which is why we have free will. Only a fedoralord would ask such a basic question.

Doesn't the official Orthodox position condemn ethnic nationalism?

Yeah, but the West repelled the very threat that destroyed the East. That's my point.

Yes. Ethnophyletism was declared a heresy by the Great Pan-Orthodox synod of 1872.

For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on him;
- Romans 10:12

For by one spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one spirit.
- 1 Corinthians 12:13

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
- Galatians 3:28

For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.
- Galatians 6:15-16

a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.
- Colossians 3:11

And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the book and to break its seals; for you were slain, and purchased for God with your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
- Revelation 5:9

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
- Revelation 7:9

And they said to me, “You must prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”
- Revelation 10:11

And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;
- Revelation 14:6

“Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy; for all the nations will come and worship before you, for your righteous acts have been revealed.”
- Revelation 15:4

Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “uncircumcision” by the so-called “circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in his flesh the enmity, which is the Torah of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in himself he might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. And he came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; for through him we both have our access in one spirit to the father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the spirit.
- Ephesians 2:11-22

Bump

smash cultural judaism

More like the West abandoned the East. The Fourth Crusade was one of the greatest tragedies in history.

Yeah you've never picked up a history book, Islam couldn't have spread without help from the Pope.

The first crusades were against Orthodoxy, and basically exhausted the East which allowed 20,000 muslim steppe nomads to conquer them in the first place.

adultery means 'to mix',

and this is very clear both in overt and implied terms throughout the bible. it is used almost entirely as a metaphor for 'sex with another', this is not explicitly to mean race and not explicitly to mean having an affair, its sort of an amalgam made up of all concepts of mixing, which then gets used as a euphemism for other contexts in which things should not mixed.

Tower of Babel should be the most obvious example, God has not directly intervened but a few times in such a strong way, and yet he did so when a unified world was being set up.

it is no wonder why Jews, who play 'do the exact opposite as God says' are so much at the fore of this type of progressivism.

Protip: the Bible isn't written in English.

I don't think you understand how much orthodox would hate retards who try to use religion as a tool for their wordly empty purposes.

If you know nothing about Christianity, don't talk about it.

You're right.

You're citing the Hebrew bible/Jewish Tanakh here. The Tanakh is an explicitly Jewish racial supremacist collection of writings. It was never intended for goyim to read.

The New Testament, however, is an explicitly gentile racial universalist collection of writings. It was intended only for goyim to read.

Why do you cripple/pol/ niggers not understand even basic elements of Christianity and Judaism?

CHRIST IS RISEN!

Truly He is Risen

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Ignorance is what make a Good Goyim™

Why the fuck are you posting this in Holla Forums christbaby?


Stop trying to shill your semetic, jew worshiping religion, that caters to the lowest common denominator.
On top of that, it tells ALL humans that we are BROKEN from birth (I.E. weak little babies) and says that "we are all equals in the eyes of our Jewish overlord.


12 years of Christian schooling under my belt. Read the Bible more times than most Christcucks because we literally had "religion class" Everyday.


I have ZERO resentment about going to a Christian School. Way better than Public.


The biggest thing here is we have OP who thinks that his WAY is the ONLY way. (in typical Christlamb fashion)


Your version of Christianity may not be as cucked out as Pope Francis, but the over all "story arch" of Christianity is the same.

Who the fuck cares. Its still a Universalist doctrine. THAT ISNT EVEN EUROPEAN.

YOU WORSHIP A JEW.

Your entire cult is Jewish values, beliefs and doctrines. ONLY it was slightly twisted to help conqueror the Northern Europeans.
Wrong
ALL Christian Holidays are adopted from us Europeans indigenous religion.
Its literally fact. There is no squirming your way out of this.


Really what we are dealing with here is a European who was born into Christianity. Just like 99% of us. Only you believe that your Jewish religion is what will save us all.
Youre a disenfranchised (Southern European probably) who sees all the degeneration around him happening (which is VERY real ofc) so you fall for the romanticism of the "muh deus vault" Yet in your romantic views of a pure aryan Christianity (muh noble Knight orders, muh bending the knee in servitude to muh aryan religion) You are completely ignoring the actual reality that its not even OURS. AND the fratricidal history of it.

This is brainwashing plain and simple.


The Norns keep spinning.

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Ivan, please.

Watch Marching to Zion, that is all I can say at this point to you kikes. Filtered.

Youre fucking delusional.

Thats because you have nothing else to say.

Youre buttmad.

Such a basic bitch thing to do.


Really great. Congratulations.

stay out of the holy land you kike

Judaism started from pre-existing religions too, idiot.

You're doing the equivalent of abandoning Nietzsche because he evolved from the same common ancestor as Soros.

Sorry to break it to you, but Christianity is just Messianic Judaism.

Embrace your race by following the religion of your race: paganism.

Jesus
B T F O
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Get out of here

Why do you guys talk about religion like it's some kind of ethnic social club? We live in an objective reality, and religion is about eternal objective truth. One system of belief is correct, the others are not. It is the pursuit of truth that led to the spread of christianity.

Is paganism the one true faith?
If yes, then it is a faith for all people of the earth to follow. Every tribe, every nation, every color. (Of course, that throws a wrench into your notion of it being a religion for european whites only.)
If it's not, why should anyone bother to follow it?

It would be interesting to hear their views on cosmogony or the origins of other races according to the pagan model.

WEW JEW, WEW

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Keep trying Moyshie.

Kek

The truth they cant fucking handle.

Reality's subjective to perspective. When you die, do you go to heaven and be judged? Enter nirvana? Become a dung beetle or cow? Do you just die forever and that's it? Do you die in this reality, but continue living in an alternate reality? Do you become a star? Do you join with your higher self or twin flame? Do you enter limbo?

These are just a few of the many beliefs held strongly by different sects of humanity. Each believe it to be objective truth and find all other doctine objectively false.

So yes, religion is basically whatever floats your boat. Since you're desiring ethnic tribalism, I suggested a religion that promoted white purity.

It's very possible that there is no one true path, and that reality is solipsistic, conforming to consciousness instead of the other way round.

So choose what you will. It may make a difference, it may not. It's not something the living or mortal can know until they leave the mortal life. Gods haven't shown themselves in documentable history, so it really is up to whatever you feel is correct.

Judaism became judaism when they rejected Jesus Christ.

The old testament and new testament its a straight line of christianity.


that doesnt make them true. theres only 1 true religion and its christianity.

to say that "they are all as true as the other" makes the neo-pagans queer leftist retarded bulshit as true as your pagan ethnic shit

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(Swell dubs, brah)

No it isn't. If reality is subjective, how can you make objective statements regarding it?

While other religions may reflect aspects of the truth, truth is a singular fixed point. One faith must be correct, others would be less and less correct.

I made no such suggestion.

Jesus Christ's time on earth being the exception. The gospels are documentable history.

The thing is, is that Asatru is a religion based on the beliefs of our ancient ancestors.

They understood the objectivity, and relativism of life.


Life is one big grey. Its not black and white. In literally almost every facet. As much as sometimes I want to assume it can be as simple as black and white. A lot of times thats just my ego rambling.

Asatru understands this. There are no dogmas in Asatru. We have the Havamal. But this is not dogmatic doctrine. But more practical life advice. Example-
thyself too soon must die,
but one thing never, I ween, will die, –
fair fame of one who has earned.

This is the absolute truth and no Asatru would ever disagree with this. The AFA certainly doesnt either.

BUT Asatru is purely the Germanic way of interpreting life. Its OUR way that we created to relate to w/e you want to call it- The divine/the universe/the holy/ etc etc. Its simply our way of relating to this.

The American Indians have their paganism. Which is relatable to Asatru in ways. Why? Because all indigenous people lived essentially the same style of life. Very close to Nature, the seasons, and the symbiosis of life.

When you zoom the "camera" all the way out, all indigenous pagan ways are essentially the same. BUT that is not life. All life is a mixture of differences. The details are what matter. Just like the differences between peoples.

The Germanics simply developed Asatru. Its our way of expressing, and relating. So when Asatru say that >ASATRU IS A NATIVE EUROPEAN RELIGION!
They are not wrong. It is. Because its OUR DEFINITION, and expression of reality. It speaks to us in "our language"

A American Indian would grasp Asatru, but its not "his language" The deep bond through ancestry, and environment would not be the same, and visa versa. His people created their paganism in the Americas. Once again with an ENTIRELY different struggle, existence, and climate.


These are the amazing differences that this life has. These are the differences that we want to preserve in Asatru. At the same time, Asatru is a European Indigenous religion. Every ethnicity MUST embrace their natural ancestral ways. Because THEY ARE THEIRS. Asatru is ours.

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I love these hyperbole narratives you christkids have to tell yourselves.

This shit again.

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It's almost shocking to have a reply that is so reasonable. Thank you.

You make good points, one can easily see the benefit to following in the manner of one's ancestors. It creates a continuous stream of life, a sense of identity to follow along with. There's a lot I admire about ancestral tradition.

But I would still maintain the importance and truth of the christian faith. What formed in europe upon its introduction was a sort of fusion of the two ways of life into something beautiful.

I made a case in another thread for the ancient poem Beowulf as an example of this. Have you read it?

Hellenism is the objective truth

this is why they call us larpers
>>>/oven/

wtf are you talking about nigger?

it means literally to contaminate. The reason it refers to fucking another man's wife is that if you fuck her she is "contaminated" therefor she may have a disease or her offspring may not belong to her husband.

Abrahamic religions are all based on clean and unclean. Sin and sinless, pure and impure.

Make it about race all you want, it is about disease. Unclean things kill you. The whole reason you have a pure virgin wife is so she will carry no disease and her child will be yours alone. Your offspring will be legitimate. We desire it for evlolutionary reasons. To hate the whore is to ensure your own bloodline.

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you are a larper and should go back to fedoraism

Hellenistic Judaism? Or am I misunderstanding?

Thank you, I appreciate this.


Do you mean have i read Beowulf? Or did I see your post?

I have read Beowulf though if thats what you meant.

BREEDING NIGGERS and BREEDING WITH NIGGERS FOR 1500yrs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenism_(religion)

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Elaborate your point.

Your dangerously close to D&C shill atm.


What the fuck is your problem with my post?

I literally never even said this or eluded to this Langley shill.

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DEM PROGRAMS – GIMMIE! – BREED ME!

your clearly to dumb to understand

Let me put it to you this way, spaghetti is a real thing: it is an Italian dish made from noodles, spaghetti sauce, and usually served with meatballs. Spaghetti=Truth

Now one person may love spaghetti, one person may hate it, and another is indifferent. This is the relative part of the truth, your take on it. We know Spaghetti exist, however there are multiple different ways and recipes to prepare spaghetti, with some preferring to not even have any spaghetti and instead order Chinese takeout. This maybe a silly example when dealing with transcendental truths, but it gets the point across. A better example would be that there are multiple ways to Rome, as all roads lead to Rome.

This is the main problem with Christianity, that it is very rigid: you have to accept the Jews were God's chosen people and had direct contact with him, that their writings are valid words and demonstrations of the single God, humanity is born with sin, Jesus Christ died on the cross and was resurrected via metaphysical means, Jesus was God incarnate, no one else has been God incarnate, Jesus is the only way to salvation and a moral happy life. Lets also add in the Trinity, though there are some sects that do not believe in it. This is why schisms in Christianity have been so explosive, there can be ONLY one way, and if you disagree with me on theological minutia, clearly you just bought a ticket to hell, like sects that don't follow the traditional view of the trinity or reject it. Paganism never has had this issue, with multiple deities and outlooks being tolerated. A modern Hindu can believe in the Gods literally, figuratively, or as states of nature that are somehow cognizant, and this is how most Pagans have been though history.

I think a lot of the dysfunction in Western society today is due to the near total dominance of Christianity over the spirituality of Westerners for the last 1500 or so years. I'd imagine there would be a lot less Atheism today if there were multiple, socially acceptable spiritual outlets for people. And you have people that just go the opposite of Christianity in the form of Satanism because the Christian outlook is all they really know due to Christianity's dominance.

While I think Christianity is a well tested road to Rome, it is reaping what it sowed in trying to destroy and monopolizing spiritual logistics of every human being and nation on earth. It may just take the civilization it enveloped to hell with it.

THE FUTURE OF JEW WORSHIP

Yes, I meant Beowulf. I was making the case that, rather than arguing 'christcucks' vs 'larpagans', we could find common ground through shared heritage and literature.

I didn't get around to recommending Lord Of The Rings as another such example of pagan and christian fusion. Can you think of anything else like that?

COME ON PAGAN FAGGOT ATHIEST LARPERS! ALL THE COOL PEOPLE ARE DOING IT!!!!

What the fuck is wrong with any of that you raging autist. It's fucking Christians helping our genetically and materially worse-off brothers. Do you think taking in a stray dog is equivalent to bestiality, too? Fucking retard.

the two guys in first pic look like Jews

Those verses are only saying a spiritual unity - not flesh - exists among Christians. Slaves remain slaves. Women remain women. Men remain men. The flesh is not changed by becoming a Christian - the commonality is simply that all partake of one Spirit in Christ.

BREED FOR JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!! BREED FASTER AND MORE FOR JESUS AND WE CAN WIN!!!!!!

Arabs, Spaniards, Italians, and French look like Jews sometimes. Fucking use your head, man. Shit.

THIS CHRISTIAN JUST SAID THESE PEOPLE ARE MY BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOGS > NIGGERS

KING NIGGER YOU ARE MUH BROTHA IN CHRIST!

Confirmed for kike.

You think with all the budget allocation you shills would be able to do better than this.

This is a fine example.

It reminds me of something Dostoevsky wrote in Notes From Underground. Essentially the idea was that even if the exact way to live correctly were absolutely determined, some people would rebel if only for the sake of freedom.

The case I would make would be that rallying the religious and moral life around christianity while still maintaining individual ethnic cultural practices (food, language, architecture, general ways of life) would be ideal for a legitimately diverse world. As opposed to the modern cultural mish-mash 'diversity'.

Ahh ok I see. That sounds pretty nice.


Hmm apart from the ones you have mentioned I am kinda at a blank. I wonder if there are any more.

WILL YOU BE MY BROTHA IN CHRIST THE MECHIACK?

Damn, I forgot to include in the list of 'cultural keeps': philosophy and religious practices capable of coexisting with christian doctrine.

I WANT TO TEACH THE WORLD TO SING AND LIVE IN HARMONY!

I WANT TO TEACH THE WORLD TO LIVE AND BE IN PEACE WITH JEWS AND CHRIST AT THE HEAD OF EVVVVERYTHING!

Bulfinch's Mythology does a tidy job of linking the epics of antiquity to those of the Christian High Middle Ages.

GREAT IDEA — LENIN! THOSE ARYANS WILL WORSHIP THE JEW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!

That's why you're being called a Christcuck, son.
Go live with your "brothers" then. I prefer helping my own people.

John 4:22 "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews."

If you think Christianity can coexist with any Racial religion, you're a fool. The differences are enormous.

MGTOW /CHRIST/ ALLIANCE WHEN??????? WE NEED TO STOP THOSE WHITE WHORES FROM BREEDING! ONLY NIGGERS SHOULD BREED!

you are worse muslim trash
>>>/islam/

I never said the list of religious 'keeps' would be a long one. But there's room for them.

don't trust jew shilling.

PAGAN WHORES!!!!!!! MGTOW /CHRISTIAN/ SAVE US FROM THE WHITE WOMENS AND BREED THOSE SHITSKINS!

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What this guy said, and on the subject of Revelation:
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
- Revelation 2:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
- Revelation 3:9

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John 4:22

You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.

SALVATION

FROM

JEWS

Elaborate on these "religious keeps". You did mention the word Coexistence though.

Christian BROS! We must keep those white women from breeding their filthy goy wombs and send them to help breed DEM NIGGGGAS!!!!! Niggers make best Jew slaves!

Ill check that out right now, thanks.

IF WE DON'T GET OUT THERE AND BREED THOSE NIGGERS THEY WILL STARVE – THEN WHO WILL WORSHIP THE JEWS???? FUCKING WHITE WHORES GET TO WORK!

"You will not mongrelize." At issue in the Greek Septuagint and in the Greek New Testament are two Greek words: ou moicheuseis. In the Latin Vulgate, Exodus 20:13 was translated as non moechaberis and Romans 13:9 as non adulterabis. The Latin word moechaberis is an inflected form of moechari, a transliteration of the Greek moicheuo, and is of little etymological importance since what it means is merely dependent upon what the Greek word means, which we will explore. However, what is important is adulterabis, an inflected form of the word adultero, since this is the Latin word most often used in the Vulgate and elsewhere to translate the Greek word moicheuo. The Greek word ou and the Latin word non are simply negative particles, translated not. Thus, the words that we need to define in order to determine the correct translation of Exodus 20:13 and Romans 13:9 are the Greek word moicheuo and the Latin word adultero. First, in order to define the word moicheuo, let us turn to a commonly used and commonly available dictionary, the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, edited by Gerhard Kittel and translated into English by Geoffrey W. Bromiley. Now let us note that Kittel was a well-renowned German Greek scholar and is held in high-esteem by the scholarly community. Under the entry word moicheuo, the following definition is given: "of the intermingling of animals and men or of different races."


Thank you very much for posting this.

I had made a post a while back about a /pol approved bible

I saw some people recommending the greek bible because that was the de facto language stuff got written in back then.

I'm going to have to pickup a greek copy of the bible now and translate the damn thing myself.

i come from a latin background so this should be interesting learning the greek language.

Yeah, dude, you're going to change the world!

Feminist detected

>>>/SRS/

Maybe I used the wrong word? It's more an idea than a fully systemized proposal.

Christ and doctrine above all.
The wisdom and mythology of other faiths continue to exist, and are seen as true in so far as they affirm christian doctrine or reflect reality.
Elements of doctrine which diverge are kept for their cultural values; art, mythology, etc.

I'm christian but I can dig buddhist art or taoist philosophy or pagan mythology and still remain faithful to my Lord and God.

Currently getting screwed by flood detection for some reason. I'll get back to you.

Based.

Phyletism is not ethnic nationalism, it's ethnic churches. You cannot divide the church on ethnic grounds, because the church is for all. But the church is not the nation, and therefore this has nothing to do with nationalism.

That's not what Jew means. The people described in the Torah were not Jews. Jew refers to those descended from the Pharisees, aka the ones who refused to follow the Torah and therefore rejected Christ. The ones who correctly followed the Torah became Christians because they correctly recognized him as the Messiah. The meme that the modern Jews are the same people as the Old Testament talks about is just another Jewish lie.


Sad!


Cultural Marxist detected. Did Professor Shekelstein teach you that in your Cultural Studies class, good goy?

These niggers aren't even trying. I hope their boss finds out and withholds their pay.

beta mgtow detected
>>>/cuck/

He was born in 1911, dude. Also, he didn't say that interracial marriages were banned, he said that the Church does not encourage them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_Iakovos_of_America

As for moicheuo, everything I could find shows it meaning adultery.

biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/moicheuo.html

blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g3431

billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/moicheuo

Is this the best you guys can do?

Brother Nathaniel admitted he's a jew by blood and training. He switched from judaism to christianity. That doesn't make him "based" any more than Milo or warmfreshpaint. Sometimes people say sensible things, sometimes they don't. Only a semite or nigger would think someone absolutely good or absolutely bad. An Aryan would take the good parts and leave the bad. Trump says some bad things, Sanders says some good things; are they both badwrong evil demon niggers?

Ok then, what are the tenets and beliefs of your religion, and what is the source of revelation? Can you actually answer that or are you just posting shit for attention like usual?


Stopped reading right there. Get the fuck back in the oven Schlomo.

Yea dude fuck those christcucks Look how cool THE OLD GODS are right? Like totally metal!
I can't wait to sacrifice people in the name of ODIN just like our ANCESTORS did!
I want orgies land legal whores like the romans had in their temples of venus!
That is totally cool dude! Fuck morals and all that gay shit!

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I'd rather tip a fucking fedora, thanks.

Oh and I forgot the worst of all:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity

mfw


Prometheus: 'fire was a mistake'

100% kike approved greenpeace faggot.
KYS.

so a white man cant go to africa and preach?

LOL

hes not bringing them back with him in his luggage you idiot.

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How and the fuck do you go from "thou shalt not mongrelize" to "thou shalt not commit adultery". Did a Jew infiltrate the church and fuck up the translation on purpose?

op is being a gaywad. obviously its adultery.

OP: stop twisting scripture to fit your purposes.

is race mixing a sin? no

should it be discouraged? yes

being unequally yoked can apply to culture and race too

why is the greek translation so different

it seems like the greek translation clearly states no mongrelization

what else could that mean?

what greek bible would you recommend

for the first time in my life i'm actually interested in reading the words of the bible as they are truly stated

it seems like the greek bible is the most accurate.

i can't believe how the latins retranslated mongrelization

Never forget, we were warned of this in Jeremiah 8:8:

How can you say, "We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us"? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie.

I'mp retty sure there's only one Koine version of the bible.

is every case of the word "adultery" translated as mongrelizaiton?

i would assume yes because of the greek translation

so adultery is now OK?

I always found the concept that "adultery" is one of the ten commandments to be strange and out of place. It's not like it lists every single bad thing in the world. Cheating on your wife would count as violating a commitment and failing to honor and love your wife, so I feel like it's already covered just fine without a dedicated commandment.

biblebelievers.org.au/nl720.htm


Now that we have defined the Greek, what about the Latin Vulgate? Now we must define the Latin word adultero, and we shall do so using the finest Latin dictionary currently available and the standard among Latin scholars, the Oxford Latin Dictionary: "To mix (a substance or kind) with another, adulterate: to impair the purity or strength of, to give a variety of appearances to, change . . . to corrupt, debase." Once again, when this is applied to people, we have mongrelization. So we find age-old agreement between the Latin and the Greek.

Looks like the greek and latin vulgate translation are pretty clear

don't race mix…

Christianity is based upon throwing Tradition into the trash-bin. Jesus compares the fasting tradition of the jews to an old wineskin, saying that it ought to be thrown out and a new one needs to be brought in so it can hold new wine. Nowadays, the anti-white yids say the same things, out with the old Europe, in with the new! They modify the constitution as they see fit, they've replaced the wise old teachers with infantile young preachers, and they're erasing history, bit by bit, getting their goons to blow up and bulldoze ancient ruins. When will the wineskin be satisfactory for Jesus' wine? When it is made from the dried flesh of white fetuses, as the descendants of his brothers say.

so are there no good translations? we should be reading it in its greek or hebrew?

Good point. That explains why that word was chosen then for the Latin translation.


I've been trying to figure this out as well. I want to get my hands on a good Orthodox English translation. Anyone know if the Eastern Orthodox Bible is good? also anyone have a PDF of it? Here's their website: orthodox-church.info/eob/

Nothing you said can be generalized to opposing all traditions everywhere ever. Try harder, shill, you're not nearly earning your pay.

NO, NO WE IS ALL BROTHAS – WE IS ALL BROTHAS UNDER THE JEWISH MESSIAH AND WE WILL BOW DOWN TO HIM AND HAVE BABIES TOGETHER FOR HIM!

YES! DON'T HAVE BABIES WHITE WOMENS KEEP THOSE NIGGERS BREEDING – THEY ARE THE REAL CHILDREN OF YAH-OVEY THE FATHER OF JEWSUS!

BREED


THOSE

NIGGERS!

Most Orthodox Christians have a connection with Christianity which people elsewhere in the world can barely comprehend. There are historical reasons, such as:
EO Christianity in the balkans never had the chance to develop a structure as large as the Catholic wing, because of t*rkish occupation and persecution. The churches and monasteries were literally the only places where historical documents were preserved, and also aided revolutional actions in the 18th and 19th centuries. As such, the jewish infiltration of Orthodox Christianity happened after another wave of persecution during E. Europe's commie period, and it was much less effective than what's happening with the Western branches of the religion. All the cucked priests you see on mass media streams are an attempt to infiltrate the more conservative minds of Orthodox christians.

Time to be get filtered and reported.

BEHOLD ALL WHO WORSHIP THE TRUE GOD JEWSUS CHRIST, THIS IS THE OLDEST CHURCH IN HISTORY – THE OLDEST CHRISTIAN SECT IN ETHIOPIA AND IT STILL STANDS — ETHIOPIANS ARE OUR BROTHERS AND WE MUST NOT HATE – WE ARE ALL THE SAME!

If you're not a slav, following orthodox christianity is an instance of incredibly goofy LARPing. Orthodox christianity is not part of your culture and you don't belong in it.

Dont fucking Strawman me mother fucker.

Great strawman, Moshe. How's that five bucks per hour working out for ya?

This is a D&C lie from someone who has never read the Bible. Christianity is available to all.


Your claims about Christianity were zionist-cuck-tier bullshit, so I have no reason to believe your internet credentials. The Old Testament is not about Jews you moron, stop swallowing Jewish cum and convincing yourself that you're filling your head with knowledge. The Jews are descended from the Pharisees. The Children of Israel that actually followed the Torah correctly converted to Christianity. Jews are the rabbinical satanic cult that refused to follow God before Christ or after.

Orthodox churches are for slavs. If you're not a slav, follow Catholicism or Protestant Christianity. If you're a non-slav following Orthodox Christianity then you should kill yourself, you larping faggot.

Why should we hate them? They are staying in ethiopia, doing their farming and whatnot.
I hate the ones that come here to steal and rape.

They are impure and are stinking the land with their shit.

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It's their land. It's up to them what they do with it.

I never thought about it, but how different are black Orthodox Christians compared to the usual black Christians or other black religious groups?
Same?

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How is ethiopia not the land of the ethiopians?

Because Greeks, Armenians, Georgians, Assyrians, Coptics, and Syriacs, are Slavs right.

It is European land, just like all land.

well go and conquer it faggot

nobody is stopping you

Way to doublethink r-tard

none of them are orthodox except for georgians or greeks, the others are coptic and church of the east which died out mostly because of mudslimes

It's time to stop.

What this guy said except he forgot Romanians. Also, just to spite you, here's the Orthodox church giving instructions on how to join:

oca.org/questions/teaching/steps-to-becoming-an-orthodox-christian


I'd much prefer niggers with a moral code who strive toward civilization than jungle niggers.


Good question, I've never met any so I don't know. I don't think there's many of them.


That's a special kind of brain damage you've got there my friend.

I LOVE JESUS AND BLACK PEOPLE AND JEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR BROTHAS!!!!!!!!! WE ARE ALLLLLLL ONE IN CHRIST. WHY DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND?

and in everywhere but India, Armenia and Ethiopia its illegal to even build a church
the numbers in India are minuscule and Ethiopia no matter how you look at it in the context of history is still just a bunch of niggers

Haha

I didn't say they're good at achieving it, but it's better than not even trying.

CHRISTIANITY WANTS THE MORAL NIGGER TO CIVILIZED BY JEWSUS WORSHIP AND WE CAN ALL LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE!? WHY CAN'T YOU NAXI RACIST UNDERSTAND THIS!? THAT'S WHY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TURNED ON HITLER AND ARE NOW COMMUNISTS - BECAUSE OF CIVILITY AND LOVE!

Intead of being triggered give me a reason as to why i should hate the niggers that stay in africa.

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Hello reddit!

And yes an religion that is true is availible to all. Religion is not a sikrit exclusive club, it's a worldview and a way of life. Any man who wants to accept that world view and life according to it's laws is welcome to do so. Niggers will stay stupid, but at least they won't chimp out as much if they are christian.

b98402 IS AN OBVIOUS FUCKING SHILL DONT EVEN REPLY TO HIM - FILTER AND REPORT

Catholic Pollock fools synagogue pretending to be rabbi

timesofisrael.com/polands-chief-rabbi-finds-comfort-in-saga-of-catholic-impostor-who-fooled-community/

Haha, a taste of their own medicine.

Damn you're desperate. Why do you feel the need to put so much effort into this?
Even as an atheist I can say that Christianity belongs in Europe. They changed it for the worse we can change it for the better.

I think the greek bible is the best

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate

after reading about how this guy jerome made the vulgate (latin translation from hebrew and greek texts)

it just seems like that the bible was first and foremost written in greek because it was the de facto language of the area.

part of matthew may have been written in aramaic originally but mark was written in greek as were most other parts

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_New_Testament

this is what i will probably pick up

amazon.com/Bible-Greek-K-Michael-Tsiappoutas/dp/1494779714/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1461494974&sr=8-1&keywords=K Michael Tsiappoutas


Bible (Greek Edition) (Greek) Paperback – June 14, 2014
by K Michael Tsiappoutas (Author), Andreas Ioannou Koraes (Author)

perhaps a study sheet as well

Biblical Greek Laminated Sheet (Zondervan Get an A! Study Guides)
William D. Mounce

i haven't read too much into the king james version

which was

In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament from Hebrew and Aramaic, and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin.

which seems like a good translation if you don't want to read greek


particularly when u compare it to the vulgate that this jerome character translated

You aren't a nationalist then, end of discussion.

So really, the only choices are Presbyterian and Methodist. I was raised Presbyterian so I know what to expect there in terms of faults, but is Methodism subverted at all? I know very little about the current state of the Methodists.

Just pick up the NA28 with apparatus and youre set.


check out the adventist church, very conservative

There's an Adventist church just outside of the dragnet I was searching in. It looks like a pretty good place.
Thanks for the tip, I probably end up checking it out.

You should.
Im an adventist myself.

any questions, come to >>>/christ/ and post anytime m8

Because that's all it is to them. Pagans are not interested in some vast and objective spiritual truth. They're autists who want every block to line up in front of them and all be the exact same color and shape. If some part of the truth doesn't perfectly reflect everything they want to see in it, they throw it away for not fitting the predetermined pattern they wish to see.

The most powerful rebuke to any Pagan is and always has been render unto Caesar what is Caesars, and render unto God what is Gods, because it is the rebuke which reminds them that Christianity does not object to any law that is justly passed in service to the people, which includes laws relating to ethnocentricism.

The most powerful, successful, fruitful, and influential empire to ever exist on the face of the earth was the Holy Roman Empire. It was an empire of Fascist Christians. And it was the empire that ended Paganism through willing conversion and by the sword.

If Paganism was so mighty, then why did it lose? If you are so deeply Fascist that you believe only in the law of the strong surviving and the weak perishing, why do you cling to a culture a thousand years dead for being too weak, flabby, and frail to defend itself? Why have you not converted to Islam?

To this, you have no answer. Fascist Christendom was one of the mightiest forces this world has ever seen, and the world will see it again before his era comes to a close.

No matter how many times you post your shitty Orthodox Christian cancer threads i'm not going to convert to a religion that has no history in my blood.

Wow, projecting what Christianity is on an invented people called pagans.

Of course! That is why we fight you, you people are nothing more then anarchists!

The Holy Roman Empire, was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire. You are lying.

There is no such thing as paganism, therefor it never lost.

Fascist Christendom? Wut?

Fascism is a 20th century construction.

You are a good example of your typical Christian. You will lie and lie and lie.

0/10, you didn't even try, Dan.

I shouldn't have revived the thread.

Niggers aren't even humans, get back to >>>/gaschamber/ jew.

That was their chastisement for schisming from Holy Mother Church.

Yeah, I should probably just learn Greek. I am actually of part Greek ancestry myself, so it makes sense. But for now, I'm trying to find the best English translation I can. Here's some thoughts on the subject I found from an Orthodox perspective:

orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=23117.0

Either way, I doubt any English translation is not going to use the word "adultery" or the word "Jews" because that's just become accepted as the English word to use.


Nobody asked you to convert.


Lol I can't even tell if this guy is just a troll of actually believes this stuff… And I'm sure he'll turn around and then claim that Christianity forced all the pagans to convert because that's so anarchist lol. Almost all anarchists are athiests, buddy…


Neither are dogs, should we not help dogs?


It was the Catholics who schismed by changing the doctrine. And we would have won if the Catholics didn't crusade against the Orthodox, weakening us. But let's not start more D&C… united we stand, divided we fall.

interesting. one side of my family is adventist and I've never looked into it.

are they against race mixing?
are they against the jew and his evil influences?

i know they are strict, and that is ok.


Do they translate the bible as no mongrelization or adultery? for that one particular section roman 13:9

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Stray dogs can't breed with white people thus creating more stray dogs and less white people.

Romans 13 has μοιχεύσεις, from μοιχός. Why do you think that means mongrelizer instead of paramour?

Jesus extends the commandment against adultery to
meaning Jesus thought it meant adultery as we understand the term.

Arguably, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife makes you shall not commit adultery in the sense we understand in redundant. However, since we're talking about Christanity, not Judaism, it only makes sense to consider the scriptures as interpreted by Jesus, and the New Testament scriptures.

The OP covered that question. See also

I don't see how. How is he not just describing lusting after a nigger woman? He's saying if you even lust after a woman then you've committed adultery. That doesn't say anything about whether adultery means that she's not your wife, or that she's a woman of another race, or both (as both are a form of mixing things that don't belong together).

Exactly, it would be completely redundant. See also

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Orthodox, Christian, Anti-Jew, Nationalist, Martyr, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu reporting in to trigger all the shills and larpers in this thread.

truly you are retarded

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyletism

You guys do know there's christian board right?
Also
Nah just completely ignore that statement.

Someone post that Zionist porno producer smoking a cuban cigar and holding a cat.

Thank you for proving what I said.


Here: >>5774503

asatrufolkassembly.org/about-the-afa/afa-statement-of-ethics/

elaborate

I mean, its the fucking truth lol.


No one fucking said that. Dont fucking Strawman.

This fucking brainwashing

asatrufolkassembly.org/

Why not just come home?

What a surprise that a "pagan" would have such a complete lack of judgement.

gross

kek! I CALLED IT! You did avoid my points :333

Feels so gut being this right

Once again Christians prove that they care more for their cult, more than they do for their own ethnic family.

Keep this shit up christkid, this shit is only exposing your toxic hate for your own people, and that the only thing that matters is that your cult prevails at all costs. Even at the cost of your own people.

This is one of the greatest weaknesses of Christcuckery.

Cant wait to see the rhetoric response will be to this one :^)

Nigger this post has no points.

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also i didn't call you gross and barbarian, i called your religion gross and barbarian

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Except they didn't, Franks and Iberians were fighting them almost constantly. But, and I know that might be a shocker to you, a bunch of princes in Eastern Europe are more intrested in acquiring land in their own region which they can administer and profit from rather than going all the way to spain. Other than the crusades in the Levant most Crusades were only attended by the local lords and clergy not by vast alliances across all of Europe. The point of calling Crusade was to prevent other lords in that region from fighting over the new land be conquered and to ensure the church provided logistical support. There was a Crusade against the Berber trash in Iberia the entire time.

Also the Romans constantly called all the Celts barbarians despite the Celts having superior metallurgy and animal husbandry. Barbarian just means "outsider".

Your sort constantly bitch when Christians fight for their interests in Europe then laud pagans for doing the same. Do you want a warlike culture or not? Make up your fucking mind.

No wonder you Holla Forumses crave leadership. Totalitarianism. Fascism. You demand someone to think for you, someone to shelter your bubbles. You crave a master because you're only good for slavery. You can't even begin to think for yourself because you're afraid that everything outside of what you were taught is kikery.

You're no better than the subhuman trash you call degenerates. Your minds wasted, your individualism sapped, your wills oh so ready for dominating.

I have no use for such piles of sphincters and glands, your inability to attain a higher level of intelligence renders you little more than quivering meat.

No wonder the third reich lost if such simple organisms were the backbone of its conquest.

You didn't make any "points", you just once again claimed that Christianity is "created by jews" or "worships a jew" without providing any evidence or argument to back it up. If you wan't to claim that something is true, the burden of proof is on you, buddy. Meanwhile, even the Jewish Encyclopedia admits that the modern Jewish religion is wholely based on the Pharisees, aka the Jews that rejected Jesus and that Jesus rebuked as the Synagogue of Satan. Then there's the fact that most Jews aren't even descended by blood from those people (if any), since many were Turks or even whites who were converted later on. And if any are descended from them it can't be proven. Then there's the fact that there's lots of semites who are not Jews, so clearly equating semites with Jews makes no sense. And plenty of Hebrew people / Judeans who did not become Jews, etc. So, to prove your claim, you certainly have a lot of work cut out for you. Good luck.

Nice Jewish meme, too bad the truth is Christianity has always encouraged doubt, questioning, curiosity, and coming to your own conclusions. At least until the Jews subverted the churches. Why do some of you who claim to be "redpilled" still believe in Jewish atheist lies that you heard about on South Park or whatever Jewish telivision shows or movies you grew up with as a kid? Meanwhile, there's plenty of people, like myself, who were athiests most of our lives, who later became Christian after careful consideration, research, and thought. But you think you're clever because you make generalizations based on nothing, and repeat memes that were implanted in your mind by others. To think that you are clever would be like Richard Dawkins thinking that he's clever just because lots of people who never knew anything about Christianity follow him and believe whatever he claims about Christianity. Wow, exploiting ignorance! So smart!

grow up

Christianity was literally created by jews, are you retarded?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity
And you guys do worship a jew. His name is Jesus Christ (Yeshua Bar Yosef).
They only rejected him because he was Universal, while the pharisees were supremacists.
Jesus was still an ethnic jew.
Holy shit you're retarded. Hebrews are jews in race and/or religion.

I really don't know how this is so hard for you to understand. The Talmudists began the meme of translating Judean as "Jew". That's why Wikipedia and English translations of the Bible use the word "Jew". But it's the Talmudists who are actually causing the problems, not all semites. And many Talmudists are not semites because many non-semites converted to Talmudism (aka "Judaism"). Samaritans don't plot to destroy the white race. Christian Arabs don't plot to destroy the white race. They're semites. Samaritans are even descended from the Hebrews (ancient Israelis). Genetically there's hardly any difference, which means the primary reason for their nasty behavior is cultural/religious, with some genetic problems stemming mostly from inbreeding and epigenetics. Your claim that Hebrews are "Jews" by race makes no sense because "Jews" is not a race (as you would know if you looked at any genetic information about them), and your claim that Hebrews are "Jews" is wrong because Samaritans also descended from Hebrews, but they are not considered Jews. Samaritans worship the Torah but do not follow the Talmud. That's why they're not considered Jews. There's some others, like the Karaites, who don't follow the Talmud and who call themselves Jews, but Talmudic Jews reject them as Jews. I get that you want to play this game of pretending like there's some simple genetic line in the sand you can draw where the kids on one side of the sandbox are Team White and the kids on the other side of the sandbox are Team Subhuman, but it's really not nearly as simple as that, so I suggest you start to study the facts instead of just regurgitating other peoples' memes like you're their pre-programmed propaganda delivery robot that's doing it for free.

Today's Jews are the descendants of the Pharisees - those who did not follow the teachings of Christ. They are reprobate. The Old and New Testaments are a straight line of Christianity.

They mostly use the KJV so.

Adventist theology rejects the Israel fetish many evangelicals have.

They say that the true children of God are christians.

Jews rejected christ so they are lost.


zzz

They use jews to refer to all that lived in palestine.

Old testament is not judaism.

Talmudic shit is judaism.

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The problem with Orthodox is that it doesn't have a strong unification. Each branch sort of takes the culture of the nation it is in.

For Serbs or Greeks, this is great because Serbs and Greeks are based. But if you look at the Orthodox church in the USA, it is a completely different beast. Feminist, liberal, homosexual, etc.

Well, that's true, but keep in mind that taking on the culture of its nation means that it's compatible with ethnic nationalism. That's what we want. The fact that SJWs are pressuring them into conforming to their bullshit is no different than what SJWs do to every other institution of our nation. So the solution isn't to make the church be more unified (which would then put it into conflict with nationalism), but rather to fix our nation's culture.

I just meant that you shouldn't think the Orthodox church is some refuge from the poz if you are an American. They are fully Americanized and just as cancerous as every other church in America. And for this reason, they aren't even useful for fixing the culture if that is what you want.

Even if you were correct, then Christianity would have no place on Holla Forums. It is not any type of relief from cultural decay, but a mirror of the culture like almost any other organization.

john 4:22

Holy shit this is beautiful.

Did you start the SECOND anti-christian thread on the first page?

No, I haven't started any threads on this board for about a week because the fucking captcha kept giving errors so I have given up.

Well I would argue that Christians tend to be less pozzed than non-Christians on average, and Orthodox even moreso, especially because Orthodox communities tend to come from former Communist countries so we tend to be more wary of Cultural Marxism. But even the Bible itself has plenty of material to deter such cucking, it's just a matter of pointing it out to other Christians to remind them that the Bible is not really compatible with this modern political trend. In my opinion the reason why the priests don't do this is because they're afraid that it'll scare away young people from the church, but that's really short-sighted. It's their responsability to teach the younger generations. But I understand their aprehension, because they don't have the kind of social influence they used to have. It used to be that people who don't go to church are considered weirdos, which gave churches the power to guide the morality of the youth, but now if you do go to church you're a weirdo, which gives society the power to guide the morality of the church. This is how cucking happens. So yes, you might find it difficult to find a church where people agree with you, but that just depends on where you live and what communities you're a part of. But remember, you don't have to go to a church to be a Christian. Ultimately if the church strays from God, then as a good Christian you must stray from the church.


Why would a straw man be beautiful? Why would idiots whose brain is so damaged that they think nationalism is connected to religion be beautiful?

You wouldn't understand christfag.

That's true, I don't understand retards, especially when they provide no argument to back up their nonsensical claims.

It's an image of a fact. It's not a strawman at all. You're claiming it is a starw man when it depicts exactly what took place.

Matthew Heimback is an open white nationalist /separatist. His orthodox Priest confronted him and Matthew Heimbach told him his beliefs. His Priest excommunicated him.

There is no straw man in the image. You're the typical Christian liar.

As I said, phyletism is about the CHURCH being separated by race. It has nothing to do with NATIONS being separated by race. I don't know anything about what Matthew Heimbach believed, but according to your image, it claims that he believed that the CHURCH should be separated by race. That's against the Church's doctrine, because there's only one God, and therefore there's only one church. Now the image also claims that it's against the church's doctrine for nations to be seperated by race, but to my knowledge that is not an official belief of the Orthodox Church, though I could very well be wrong, so if you can provide proof of that beyond this guy's opinion that'd be great. I wouldn't be surprised, given that every other church seems to have been cucked, but I just haven't seen evidence of this. Now if you can prove it, then I'll be very disappointed in the Orthodox Church and I'll just go on being an independent Christian, as Christians don't need to belong to a church, and according to my personal interpretation of the Bible, God actually wants ethnic nationalism, so that would be a very strange position, and I'd want to ask them then how they explain the Tower of Babel story and many other things related to this in the Bible. The lines he cites there from the Bible justifies the church not being separated, but it says nothing about nations. Also note that to my knowledge this event happened in the US and was a reaction to some SJW bitch concern trolling and shaming them, just like they do with every institution under the sun. I also haven't seen any other examples like this, so if this is just some isolated case it's hardly much ammo.

Please leave.

subverting and manipulating doctrine is not Christianity, and no mainstream Churches would ever endorse Communism.

There seems to be some confusion here over the term ethnophyletism. Ethnophyletism is a Greek person thinking that they're saved because of their Greek heritage (or a Russian for their Russian heritage, and so on). Inherent in this is the idea that we shouldn't try to save other races. These are obviously not true. The condemnation of ethnophyletism is an affirmation that we are saved by our faith in Christ Jesus and that God's love is for all people.

The condemnation of ethnophyletism does not equal unbridled racemixing for everyone.

I also want to add this:

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And I'll go ahead and say it again–yes, Jesus is a Jew. I think you have to be delusional to get around the fact that we worship a Jew, or to think that he's actually some sort of blonde aryan uebermensch.

There is no contradiction between this and a dislike of the Jewish people. Why? Because the basis for disliking the Jews is the fact that they killed Christ. It is no small thing for a people to kill your God and to proclaim that his blood be on them and on their children (Matthew 27:25).

Even Christ himself spoke out against the Jewish nation which had abandoned the Living God. Look over the Parable of the Wicked Vinedressers (Matthew 21:33-45), which specifically speaks about how the Jews have been rejected by God.

Well, I have to disagree with you a little bit there because the toxicity and evil of the Pharisees (and some other ancient Jewish groups) existed long before Christ. There were of course exceptions, and there were whole groups of Judeans that were good people who followed God's commandments, but those people became Christians. After the destruction of Jerusalem, it seems only the most evil of the Pharisees survived and all modern Jews are descended from them.

As for Jesus, he's no more a Jew than he is a Man… he's neither, because he's God. I mean, if God had chosen to incarnate on this Earth as a frog, would that mean that we worship a frog, or all frogs? Of course not, we worship God, regardless of what fleshy forms he might sometimes take, because we know that is not his true form, as his true form is unknowable.

Why would you dislike them for that? According to Christianity, Jesus needed to be killed so that everyone could be saved. If anything, you should be thanking the Jews for killing him and delivering your salvation.

I would argue that the difference is so minor that it is irrelevant. On a lot of things, Christcucks are even worse. For example, they suck Jewish dick much harder than non-Christfags. They also serve as useful idiots for capitalist scum.

Teleological ethics are trash.

True, perhaps I was unclear before about the fact that the Christian antisemitism extends to the Jewish religion, not the race. If an ethnic Jew sincerely repents of the evil of the Jewish religion and is baptized, then I have no beef with them.


Categorically false. Jesus Christ is Fully Man (and thus fully Jew) and Fully God–two natures joined in hypostatic union unconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, and inseparably. See the Chalcedonian Definition. You cannot deny this and remain an Orthodox Christian.

Here's an icon of St. Stephen's martyrdom. His story is told in Acts 6-7. Basically, within a few years of Christ's resurrection, Stephen was stoned to death by the Jews because Christianity's teachings were so blasphemous to the Jews that they literally covered their ears or tore their clothes when they heard them. Stephen was the first Christian to lose his life for Christ, and his death sparked intense persecutions of Christians by the Jewish establishment.

Doesn't sound like the Jews liked Christianity very much, even in the earliest days.

That's literally the only thing that makes ethics valid. Without telos, true ethics aren't even possible.

This is why Christianity is cucked.

With Jews, you lose. Something Christcucks never thoroughly learned.

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I mean in the sense that the "ends justify the means."

If I'm forced to rape a baby to keep the world (weird example I know, but bear with me), then I might do it. The good that would come from it might indeed be real. But that doesn't make raping a baby morally righteous. I shouldn't exactly sleep soundly that night thinking that I did nothing wrong (or even that I did a noble, righteous thing).

In much the same way, the good that came from Christ's death and resurrection are very real. But that does not in any sense "justify" deicide.


Not certain which part of "sincere repentance of evil" is hard to understand. But okay cool.

save the world*

Well, true, but from my understanding it's not his nature as man that is worshipped, it's his nature as God. I'm pretty sure worshipping a man is heretical is it not? Plus he's not exactly here as a physical man anymore, so you can't really worship him as a man, and I don't think his followers during his lifetime did either. But I could be mistaken, I've only recently started to get into religion having been agnostic most of my life, so I'm hardly an expert on this.

We worship Christ in his hypostasis, a.k.a. his person, which encompasses both natures. To say that we worship the divine, but not the human nature is to introduce a Nestorian division between his natures.

And yes, his full humanity is still in existence, seated at the right hand of the Father. For as was previously stated, the hypostatic union is so perfect that the two natures can never, ever be separated again.

HAHAHAHAHA WOW

That is a whopper.

Okay, that makes sense, thank you for the clarifications. By the way, do you know of any good English translations of the Orthodox Bible?

You have an incredibly infantile view of reality. Maybe even a little bit communist.

There is one objective reality, but billions of agents within it, each within a billion situations themselves.

Are hammers better than screwdrivers? One must be the right tool, and the other not so right. Perhaps if one is superior and the right tool, it would be the right tool for everybody everywhere and for all time, from the carpenter to the electrician to the brain surgeon to the software engineer.

Is one of these jobs superior to the others? Doctor is pretty nice, they get paid a lot and do good work. Perhaps every human on the face of the planet should be a doctor. After all, there can't be several best jobs, can there? There can only be one.

Is one sport superior to all others? Should we all be doing crossfit?

Trying to explain this to atheists or neopagans just isn't going to work, their heads are too far up their asses.


Jews aren't a race though, they're like four races. The problem with Jews isn't their blood, it's their shitty untermenchen parasitic culture.

The problem is that this
Never happens, necessitating extreme measures such as exile. They're brainwashed from early childhood, we would have to get a Jew at the baby-level for it to be salvageable.

By the way Israel today has anti-mixing laws, deports blacks and muslims, actively seeks lebensraum, and incorporates a majority of Natsoc ideals.

Every retard ITT suggesting Christianity should be abandoned because it's tied to Judaism, also implies Natsoc should be abandoned because Israel is currently practicing Natsoc.

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its true tbh

Was it real in your mind?

That is factually accurate though. The point is, SJWs are bad because they harm white civilization, not just because Jews are involved. Jews are involved in tons of random inoccuous things that don't matter. Jewish involvement only becomes relevant when the thing they're involved in is harming us. So for example, Jewish involvement in the modern cucked forms of Christianity like evangelicucks and mormonism is relevant because those are obviously harmful.

Expanding on that, it's also relevant whether they were involved only in the past or whether they're actively propogating it today. So for example, if some "Jews" (not really Jews by modern definition, but let's use that word for now) were involved in the origins of Christianity, that's not the same thing as them actively pushing Zionist re-interpretations of Christianity today. Obviously all of the blatant calling out of Jews and their evils that permeates the Bible and Christian history existed and was perpetrated without Jewish involvement. Whenever they got involved in Christianity throughout history, it was always to go against the traditional orthodox interpretations of the Bible and twist it in their favor.

If your brother is doing a lousy job and about to be fired, you tell him to change his ways because you care about him and don't want him to fail. You don't want to kill him, you want him to be better.

This is what the Bible is doing when it bitches at Jews. It's in-fighting. The writers of the Bible wanted the Jews to be powerful, and were telling them to change their ways so they could be powerful with Yahway's blessing and rise above the goyim.


Why is stale Jew propaganda somehow superior to fresher Jew propaganda, in principle? Do you think its subversiveness has worn off over the centuries? It's only been watered down with Greek philosophy and northern paganism, the sugar sprinkled on top of the poison to make it wash down a little easier.

I use the Eastern Orthodox Bible for the New Testament (amazon.com/EOB-Orthodox-Testament-Patriarchal-extensive/dp/148191765X/), but the Old Testament isn't finished being translated so I use the Orthodox Study Bible for OT. Once the EOB OT finishes being translated I'll probably switch to that.


Was giving me top lols part of your plan?


I disagree that it can never happen–one of my closest friends is an Orthodox Jew turned Orthodox Christian. And let me tell you that no one bar full Natsocs are more antisemitic than him.

But yeah, it is pretty rare.

fuck off hippie

The only Jews who are really a problem are Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, who are closely related. It is genetic.

You can't know who has sincerely repented or not, which is how you have allowed Jews to cuck you and which is why Christianity today is a joke. Any degenerate kike can say he has repented and even act somewhat legit while feeding out low level progressive subversion over time. They are masters at this.

Spoken like someone who's never read the Bible. Why do you let other people implant memes into your brain and then parrot their propaganda for free? You should at least charge them for it if you want to whore our your brain for other people.

Jesus declares that the Jews broke their Covenant with God, which means they are not the chosen people. Instead, he declares that God has created a new Covenant with the Gentiles. Furthermore, the Covenant was never about being "chosen" in the sense of being some sort of "master race", that's just how the Pharisees wanted to interpret it because it made their mutliated dicks hard. But it's a false interpretation and they know it, because God told Abraham that through his children ALL people of the world would be saved. You see, they were only supposed to be "chosen" for the purpose of spreading the word of God to all the world, and thus ensuring that every single person on Earth is given a fair chance to choose between salvation or sin. Jesus reiterates this and declares that indeed, the Gentiles must go out and spread the word to all corners of the Earth, and that the word is not merely for Jews but for all.

You have yet to justify how the Bible is "propaganda" that benefits the Jewish agenda, and you're going to have quite a difficult time doing so since you haven't read it.


Yeah I was looking at the EOB, I hear it's the best translation out there, but sadly only NT. I hear the Orthodox Study Bible is not that great so I'm trying to find something better. For the OT I'm looking at a variety of direct translations of the Septuagint (Greek OT). Here's a couple I'm considering:

amazon.com/New-English-Translation-Septuagint/dp/0195289757/ref=pd_sim_14_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=41NldvOc4OL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR232,320_&refRID=17C838XKPCAYX3SBG970

amazon.com/gp/product/0913573442/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_2?pf_rd_p=1944687762&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=148191765X&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=17C838XKPCAYX3SBG970

Here's the thing you've gotta understand: we actually believe in God. We're not just LARPing. We know that God safeguards the Church from falling into error. Even if Jews or other subversives did somehow "infiltrate" the Church, their
plans to corrupt it would inevitably frustrated.


A friend of mine has that second one and he loves it. He's studied Greek extensively though, so your mileage may vary.

john 4: 21-24

21Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.


if you're gonna quote the book at least quote the context otherwise you're no better than a kike.


Since you're obviously either a kike or LARPagan let me illuminate you on his words.

He's saying that salvation, as in Jesus Christ the one currently speaking, is from the jews and there will come a day that the true believers of God (Christians, Abrahams Spiritual seed, the Real Israel, or the "true" jews" whichever title you want to use) will worship.


pls stop being such a faggot

No one is suggesting that.

SJWism is patently self destructive, this is why it should be abandoned.

Being tied to Jews has nothing to do with choosing to oppose social justice.

The early, pre Constantine, Christians were a secret society that was dedicated to helping each other out. Worship was done hidden from one another and meetings were done to discuss the teachings of Christ. They abstained from the establishment to focus instead on strengthening their local community. Much like some ethnic groups do today to help each other out and as long as the group is committed to that goal it will strengthen even in a hostile locale.

If Christianity is a white religion, why does it have so much to do with kikes?


If Christianity is a white religion, why are shit skins so accepted in it?

Why is it so alien and different from actual European religions, but so close to Judaism and Islam?

Also, why does Jesus hang out with men and wash their feet and spend a night alone with a little boy?

What's with the equality thing?

The meek shall inherit the earth?

The rich can't go to heaven?

It sounds an awful lot like SJW shit. Proto-Marxism, even.

If it's the "truth" as you deuce vaults always say…. Why is it not self-evident and why does it need such extreme mental gymnastics?

Why does it have so many elements of older religions?


Those questions are rhetorical by the way. We all know the answer, even Christians do deep down, they're just brainwashed.

It's not an ethnic religion, so it's not a "white religion" or a "jew religion" or a "nigger religion". It's a religion for everybody.

It doesn't. "Kike" is a slur word for Jew, but it literally means someone who rejects Christ (and hates Christians). It comes from the fact that Jews would sign their names with a circle instead of an X at Ellis Island because the X looks too much like a cross. As for the modern Jews, they derive from the Pharisees, who were an evil, corrupt people that pretended to follow God's law but actually played lawyer with it to corrupt it and mislead their followers to worship Satan instead. Jesus called them out on this and declared that they were not the "chosen people" like they thought they were, because they betrayed God, and instead it was the Gentiles that were chosen to spread the word to all the world. Because he did this, and because he claimed to be God incarnate, the Pharisees (Jews) killed him. They then wrote the Talmud, which is the book they follow today, which goes on extensively about how much they hate Christ and Christians and non-Jews in general and how they're the superior master race and all that other bullshit. It's important to note that not all the "Jews" back then were corrupt like the Pharisees; but the ones who weren't corrupt followed Jesus and became Christians, so only the corrupt Jews are left today.

Nobody actually knows who they were genetically compared to the people of today. There's various theories but nothing conclusive.

There's only one God, he created Earth, and therefore he created all the races. So he's as much their God as ours.

That's a false dichotomy. European paganism was very similar to shitskin paganism. Christians however are different because they worship only one God. It's also different because it has no ethnic or cultural component; instead, Christianity took on the cultural traditions of each local population, so Roman Christians carried on Roman pagan cultural traditions that were updated to fit within Christian theology, while Norse Christians carried on Norse pagan cultural traditions, etc. This is important because it means that nations and races can be separate because the religion does not force people to change or unite their race or culture.

The reason it appears similar to Judaism is because the Jews try to pretend that they're the same as the followers of the Old Testament before Christ, but if you actually read the Talmud, they preach the opposite of Christianity, aka Satanism. Islam started off as a heretical cult in formerly Christian lands in the middle east, and so it has some similarities on the surface, but again it's just Jewish and Muslim propaganda that makes it seem similar to Christianity when in fact they practice evil things that go completely against Christian morality. They worship Satan just as the Jews do, they just do it differently. In effect, Jews are like the Agents of Satan, while the Muslim are the Army of Satan. They both pretend to worship "the one God", but it's actually Satan pretending to be God, because Satan ultimately envies God and has the delusional idea that he'll be able to usurp God's throne and become God.

Men can't hang out with men because women have to be involved in everything? Men can't be nice to kids because we're all pedophiles? Are you a feminist?

The only sense of equality in the Bible is that anyone can worship God. It has nothing to do with any racial or gender equality or even "equality under the law" or any of that stuff.

Yes, because humility is a virtue. It's the opposite of arrogance, which is a kind of mental disease that I can tell you still struggle with.

No, that only applies to those who care more about building an artificial heaven for their own selfish desires in this life rather than actually being a moral person.

Nope, but many Jewish athiest communist subversives have tried to deliberately misinterpret it that way and spread those memes into the soft heads of people like yourself precisely so they can tear down Christianity from within.

Not all truths are self-evident, so that's a pointless question. And it does not require any mental gymnastics, only logic and a willingness to be open to a spiritual connection with God.

Because God is eternal and has likely shown himself to people in other forms before, and also because Christians adopted other cultural traditions as mentioned above.

I hope some day it dawns on your that arrogance is not the sign of wisdom, but rather the sign that wisdom is absent.

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Are you retarded? The middle east only became brown after the Arab invasion.

It was a Roman place, with Roman people there. Even a bunch of vikings hung out in the Levant.

If by Holy Roman Empire you mean the British Empire, you are totally correct.

Don't do it, my man.

lol are you people serious?

Current American empire owns more land and grosses more wealth in a month than the British empire and the HRE combined.

Bump. Happy Easter Everyone.

Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!

Христос Воскресе!

Воистину воскресе

It didn't, Russia has been raping the Turks and Asian Muslims for centuries.

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Edgy suburban trash.

Can any practicing Orthodox Christians point me in the right direction? I'm somewhat interested in converting. Just unsure.

Same guy as the thread on /christian/? I would say to just head to your local parish and talk to the priest there.

Yeah, same guy. I suppose you're right about that. Thanks for the motivation m8.

No problem. One of my best friends first showed up on Thomas Sunday and was just baptized yesterday, so I hope you have a similar experience. God be with you!

I'm very confident I will. God be with you as well friend.

You could include "Thorstein of the Mere" to the Christian/Pagan overlap, though it's not nearly as well known.

Saga of the Volsungs too to a degree.

Maybe, for something more modern in the vain of lord of the rings you could include 'the wheel of time' series by Robert Jordan, though he also ties in a lot of Hindu and Bhuddist ideas too. In fact, he includes just about every religious and warrior culture in the world in that series.

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It's sad how the jews didn't think this through. The only thing keeping the sand niggers from obliterating them was technical advancement. Maybe in a few decades or so.
Asia seems promising. Here's to another Atila the Hun to be born soon.

Christcucks never fail to dig themselves deeper into the degenerate self-loathing pit.

Muslims and Jews get along fine. Neither is going to destroy the other. There are millions of Jews living in Muslim lands without problems.

Both are only true enemies of Europeans.

You do realize that arguing with strawmen is really just arguing with yourself, right?

Technically, pretty much everyone agrees the eastern roman empire never came back from the 4th crusade invasion, when the (((Venetians merchants fleets))) diverted much needed forces for the Christians crusaders states (which had successfully taken back all the strategic locations, including Cyprus, Acre, Jaffa, etc… but not political victory with Jerusalem still in the hands of the muslims, in the 3rd crusade) and decided to plunder richer lands instead.

So it's not God but the Latin backstabber that brought ruins to those lands, facilitating Muslim invasion.


Sounds oddly familiar isn't it?

Found a local Orthodox Church and I was thinking of paying them a visit. I wasn't raised a church goer at all so anything I should be prepared for?

I know this is bait, but I'll reply anyway. It's just so funny.


theamericanconservative.com/dreher/church-to-orthodox-fascists-repent/

Orthodox cucks BTFO.

Christian Identity.

youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRNbzK2W6kSvAfBt1KQbu4Uw7UOc9nPor

Nice try, chaim. The Matthew Heimbach meme is trotted out every time someone mentions Orthodoxy, because it's literally all you have. As the quote in the article says, the guy was supposedly advocating Phyletism, which means separating the church by racial lines, which makes no sense since God created all of mankind and is therefore everyone's God. That's why it's against the church's teachings. It also happened in the US, as a reaction to an SJW concern trolling the church about him, just like they do with every other institution.

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Anti-Christianism is a Communist tactic

So why was Galileo burned?

You mean to tell me that it is the jews that made xianism and communism, who want the people to return to their pagan roots ?

Because he lied to the church. At the time, the scientific consensus was that the Sun went around the Earth. Due to this consensus, the church interpreted the Bible that way. Galileo however had a radical new theory that actually the Earth went around the Sun. He therefore started teaching this to his students. This was a problem because it contradicted both the scientific consensus and the church's official interpretation of the Bible, which was based on that consensus. The church informed Galileo that if his theory was proven to the point that it became the scientific consensus, then they would change their interpretation of the scripture to match the new consensus. But they couldn't just arbitrarily change the interpretation whenever any random person came up with their own theory which most scientists didn't even agree with. So they simply asked Galileo that when he teach his students, he should teach the consensus theory, and then if he wants to teach his own theory also, he should make it clear to the students that this is just an alternative unproven theory. Galileo promised the church that he would comply, but then, being a massive egotard, he decided to start teaching it as if it's fact. This not only violated his promise to the church, and contradicted their interpretation of scripture, but it was also an extremely unscientific thing to do. That's what he was punished for. For more on this and other Jew myths that rewrote history to demonize Christianity, see pic related.


The Jews didn't create Christianity, they rejected it, and Christ rejected them. By the way, when you write "xianism" you sound like you're 12 years old.

This is the meme article about visiting Orthodox churches:
frederica.com/12-things/
It's pretty much accurate.

It's like I'm really on Reddit!

That was dictated by doctrine. It wasn't consensus it was dogma. Your entire paragraph falls flat on it's ass.

Again with this. What's written in religions book and what's established through the scientific method are two different things. You don't get to go around claiming that interpretations of the bible are scientific consensus.

So he got burned for being a heretic and goings against religious dogma.


Interpretation of scripture has nothing to do with empirical science.


The Church was perfectly fine with scientific progress. You know as long as it didn't contradict the bible, if it did it was branded as heresy and purged.
But there were contributions during the so called dark ages, as long as the church didn't get uppity about it.

So some hebrews became christian and those that rejected the hebrew on stick became jews?

Got to protect Israel Goyim.

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Good job doing no research into the topic whatsoever. The scientific consensus was a geocentric model because an annual stellar parallax should be observed, but none was. Copernicus had postulated that parallax was negligible because the stars were so distant. However, Brahe had argued that, since stars have a measurable apparent size, if the stars were that distant, they would be gigantic, and in fact far larger than the Sun or any other celestial body. In his system, by contrast, the stars were a little more distant than Saturn, and the Sun and stars were comparable in size.

Also Galileo was not burned at the stake you retard. he died of a fever in his bed.

Lol, retard. He died at the age of 77 from a heart attack.

read the thread

Don't have to, reading your posts is enough.

I'm not pretending. And it doesnt really matter since he responded in earnest.

Kek wins
Jeebuz sucks flaccid cocks

Bitch Galileo was put under "house arrest" after he equated the pope to the character "estupido" in an open letter and essentially misappropriated funds from the church which they gave him under the condition that he'd teach heliocentrism as a hypothesis rather than a theory with material support since he was unable to make up mathematical proofs for his hypothesis and the Ptolemaic model was predictive(we still used geocentric models for visible stars form earth in astronomy until the 90s when computation allowed us to make a dynamic model which more closely reflected the theories we had developed. The Romans had considered a heliocentric model and failed to make it work as had others for centuries. Remembers science is the methodology used to make predictive models not discover some abstract "truth"

And the pope of the time was one of guys who supported heliocentrism as a hypothesis. Along with three cardinals.

And I put "house arrest" in quotations because Galileo traveled a lot in his later life. He also did his most important work in alchemy and proto-physics during his house arrest.

why do you call it a "meme" article?

i consider myself christian but i guess i'd be non-denominal. i believe god and jesus are real and that jesus is god, but that's it. i don't pray or go to church or anything like that. i haven't even read the bible. i just can't see myself being an atheist since i would become a nihilist if i allowed myself to believe there is just nothing after death. my life is so horrible i have to force myself to believe there is something better after this. but i am very far right wing and i hate seeing these anti-white cuck churches bringing in brown refugees are shit.

Bruno was fed to the purifying flames, at least get your memes straight, reddit

There you have it Holla Forums. The church that encourages racial separation is condemned by mainstream Orthodoxy because

Orthodoxy is anti-white: Confirmed.

Now all I need for my post to be complete is dubs.

SJW fears The Patriarch

I agree, but keep in mind it's not all churches that are doing that, but the ones that do just get all the media time focused on them because the Jews are trying to meme "Christianity=Refugees" into existance, and it always surprises me how even people on Holla Forums can fall for such obvious memetic manipulations. In Hillary vs. Trump, Hillary is not going to get the majority of the Christian vote, she'll mainly get some black and hispanic churches here and there, which are hard to take seriously anyway.


Sorry bro, but nobody here is dumb enough to fall for your low energy memes. Church =/= Nation, therefore Church Segregation =/= National Segregation. To my knowledge the Orthodox Church has no official position on political issues, only on moral issues, and there is no official position on morality regarding nationalism, ethnic or otherwise. These are issues for politicians and voters to decide.

No, the Christians do it themselves. You ignore reality…..a classic symptom of cognitive dissonance. There are hundreds of Christian organizations assisting with the assimilation of non-whites into white countries. Pic related.

Its a trivial google search, dude.

google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=christian organizations assisting refugees


Ok. Answer this question. Race-mixing in churches is acceptable even if segregation
is required in the nation? Yes or no.

Don't join the enemy. Find a cause that you can fight for. Help the Trump election, or a group that opposes SJW issues or opposing immigration and find like minded people. Don't be tempted by false promises of religion. It's up to you to find meaning to your life rather than have someone else tell you what to do. The freedom to choose to act is the only real freedom you have. Use it yourself. Don't throw it away.

Does this look stupid to anyone else?

Just because I've seen it posted so many times. Not necessarily on Holla Forums, but on various websites with people inquiring about Orthodox Christianity. I don't mean to imply anything bad about it.

If the state outlaws race-mixing, then Christians should not participate in it. Romans 13. But if the state allows race mixing, then it is permissible. Not recommended, but not it's not like doing so will put your immortal soul in danger.

All I know is without Christianity the West is dead. Europe rapidly becoming Yuropistan is proof of that. And secularized America becoming tranny faggot utopia is proof of that. Who's resisting in the Western world, West of Poland? The American Bible Belt is pretty much it, without which Trump wouldn't have won the nomination. I'm a millennial, so I'm young, but the older I get the more convinced I am that Christianity is true.

And many more who oppose it, which was my point… you just don't see them advertising that for the same reason you don't see corporations endorsing Trump even if their CEOs or workers support him: because the Left now owns the culture, and they have many laws and SJW tactics that they can wield to punish you for going against that culture. For example, in the US, churches lose their tax exemption status if they ever comment on politics in an official capacity. Now of course when a church says something that fits the left-wing narrative, then conveniently nobody goes after their tax excemption, but you can bet that if a church so much as uttered a peep against taking in refugees or anything else, the government would come down on them immediately. Hopefully Trump gets in though, because he's said he wants to remove that requirement so that churches can participate in political activism again like they used to (and it was almost universally activism from the right).

is required in the nation? Yes or no.
No… of course not, that makes no sense. Take the American south for example… it's stereotypically known for two things: racism, and Christianity. Do you somehow imagine that during the time of Jim Crow segregation laws the white churches were desperately trying to smuggle niggers into the church? Churches follow the laws, bro. And right now, it's illegal to NOT allow someone to enter your church due to race. Though in practice that doesn't really matter much since people end up self-segregating themselves almost entirely, since people tend to prefer being with their own kind. The vast majority of churches in the US are almost entirely white, and a large portion are 100% white. So bringing back segregation laws on churches wouldn't even inconvenience many people.

The thing you don't seem to understand about anti-Phyletism is it's just about the Orthodox Church organization as a whole. You can't tell someone "no, you can't become Christian, God doesn't want you", because that's not true, but if for example you lived in a place where racial segregation was the law, or in an ethnically nationalist country, or even just a culture that accepted that people had different racial preferences like our culture used to, then you could say to them "Yes, you can become a Christian, but you just can't do it right here", and then they can go off to whatever neighborhood or country where their people have their own churches. That's how it used to be, and therefore it can be that way again. The only thing that's changed is the culture.

Find the largest Cuckstian cult that actively opposes shitskin immigration and post it along with the number of members of that cult. The Catholic, Orthodox, and Anglican leaders support white genocide, so how are there "many more" who oppose it?

I'm talking about people, not church leaders. Church leaders say what they have to say to appease those currently in charge of the governments they have to live under, because their primary responsability is to protect their church, so they don't want to get persecuted for wrongthink. But I've already explained this in the very post you're pretending to reply to…

Lol no. All Christian churches are welcoming rapefugees. Even orthodox. Greek Orthodox churches are housing rapefugees themselves.

The only thing that will save Europe is National Socialism. Christcucks will be unceremoniously executed and thrown into mass graves for their treason against the race and against mother Europa. Their churches will then be burned to the ground.

You are doing gods work, truly, a race realist way to look into the inner workings of orthodox christianity, we really need to open this line of thinking so that the people who have a need for religion, could find refuge in it, but still not be degenerate egalitarianists.

That only proves that these churches have no principles. Christcucks are worried about a little persecution so they espouse treason. That is even more disgusting and cowardly than if they simply believed it (which most do anyway, despite your BS rationalizations). Either way, Christcucks prove themselves to be cowardly subhuman traitors who are worthless to us and better off with bullets in their skulls.

So you're saying that you can't even find one Cuckstian cult that opposes immigration? Great.

Eternal reminder: Jesus was a mortal Semite, not a divine being. The god of Abraham is a construct created by ancient Israelites through combining the Canaanite pantheon into a single entity (except for the times where they worshiped other deities too, or changed the entire composition of their god to reflect a new political era). The teachings attributed to Jesus are proto-Marxist trash that does nothing but undermine the stability of foreign (non-Semitic) nations by providing a justification for their lower classes to revolt against the established order in the name of a Semitic god because of a "truth beyond human understanding" which is nothing more than a semantic argument for why liberal values should replace conservative ones. Worshiping a member of another race (like the Semite Jesus) or another race's god (like the god of Abraham) makes one a traitor to one's own race because racialist spirituality is a fundamental virtue necessary for the stability of a society. If you are a Cuckstian (and not a Semite), you are a race traitor.

But m-muh son of God was a blonde, blue eyed Aryan superman… WE WUZ HEBREWZ!

tip ur fedora u mean jerk. Deuce vault!

haha

Prove Jesus was anything more than a mortal Semite. Remember, the Bible isn't a source of evidence; it's a collection of fiction that makes references to historical events.

Even better, prove Jesus ever existed.


Anyway, the only good stuff in Christianity was just repackaged Plato and Neoplatonic stuff. You don't need to worhip a Jew who may or may not have even lived to have that.

No one's denying that Jesus is Semitic. Or at least I'm not. But he is immortal.

As for whether the Bible is evidence or not, top kek. Your assertion that the Bible is a collection of fiction is just as dogmatic as my assertion that Jesus Christ is risen from the dead.

How about our assertion that you are a traitor and will be killed on the day of the rope?

And these sources are not contemporaneous with Rabbi Jesus's alleged life anyway.

If that be the case, then I'll die with Christ's name in my mouth and in my heart. Or at least I pray that I'll have the courage to be martyred for his name's sake.

Again, prove it. Sunsets and pretty shit proves nothing, we can explain the processes which cause them without any need for divine intervention.

My assertion that the Bible is mostly fiction is based on the FACT that there is NO EVIDENCE to support what is written there, or in many cases evidence exists which proves the writings to be false (such as the story of the Egyptian captivity and exodus). Your assertions are illogical, mine are logical.

And if you consider the gospels as primary sources you are retarded. I'd have to dig to remember which ones, but at least one wasn't even authored by the individual whose name the gospel bears and was composed at least a century after the fact.


Christcucks everybody, they'd rather die for a Semite than live for Europeans. Race traitors to the last.

Good. Then you won't mind your kind being killed off. You will just go to the great synagogue in the sky with Rabbi Jesus anyway, so it's all good.

Top conspiracy theory, my man. Do you also doubt the existence of Socrates? Or do you accept his existence simply because it has no ramifications on how you live your life?

Prove it ain't true, my man. The idea that you can't prove a negative is not a real philosophical concept, so don't try that to get out of it that easy.


Oh yeah, well your assertions are illogical and mine are logical! Take that!


You're prolly thinking of John. And again, top conspiracy theory. Don't worry, I have a secular degree in secular religious studies from a secular public university, so don't think I haven't heard all this stuff before. However, even for John, which is considered the latest of the gospels,


This is just wrong. Just fully wrong.


Wow, how unreasonable.

Socrates was written about by several men who knew him personally, not by some dudes who knew about him through third hand hearsay from a cult a century after he died.

allegedly*

And you will die on the day of the rope. Then you can finally go to heavenly Jerusalem and eat kosher hotdogs with a bunch of Jews for eternity. Truly the greatest reward for a life lived in the name of Rabbi Jesus.

Oh boy, I hope they're made of shellfish and pork! Acts 15 and the Epistle to the Galatians, my man!

In fact, let's add in Matthew 15:10-20, Mark 7:14-22, and Acts 10

Just a reminder that not all Catholics are cucked. Pope Benedict XVI wrote his thesis on why race mixing was anti-Christian I think.

Well, we can assume that Plato et al are more trustworthy than the handful of Jews who wrote the new testament. Plato is known for being very intelligent and developing philosophy that shaped all of Western civilization. While Jews are known for being liars and bandits and the New Testament known for being philosophically shallow (why there are thousands of Christcucks denominations). You would think if God were going to leave a book that would become the basis for the doctrine of salvation that he would at least make it a little more coherent and logical. God isn't much of a lawyer I suppose.

Written by some Jews who admit they never even met the famous Rabbi Jesus.

And we know that Plato actually wrote the stuff that you assume he wrote because reasons. I hope you realize that ascribing this stuff to Plato has nothing to do with Plato's race–it may have been the Jews (gasp!) who decided that it was (the otherwise honorable and trustworthy pure aryan) Plato who wrote about Socrates.

There's a lot of other stuff I want to rebut in this post, but it's getting really late and I have work tomorrow, so I'll just say,

St. Luke (author of Acts) was a Gentile doctor. But good try, my man.

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Good goy. Chant Jeebuz's name as you die for Israel and Jerusalem. The 5 star sky hotel awaits you. Remember give everything to us the chosen ones I mean the christian church that is totally against the filthy kikes.

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How smart, calling Palestine by that name. It's almost like you're a Talmudic student, user.

Ivan, please.

So one of the original good goys then.

Or because it is consistent with all historical and scholarly evidence, unlike Rabbi Jesus, who is basically just assumed to exist because otherwise it would trigger Christcucks.

And here we have a perfect example of why Western civilization is dying. Because Christcucks will always defend their precious Jews. You are the Trojan horse that allowed the Jews to destroy us. You are traitors and have been since the beginning. Move to the desert with your beloved Semites or die on the day of the rope. Your choice.

Either way you will be killed soon enough, either by nationalists or by the muslims that your cuckold church invites to conquer Europe (even though I suspect you are a larping burger so will be killed by spics or whatever subhuman race your church invites into burgerland).

Hell, Christianity is so philosophically weak and pathetic on its own that they needed to prop it up with theology stolen from Plato and Aristotle anyway. We shouldn't be surprised that a Jewish religion like christcuckoldry would steal from superior thinkers, since most Jewish myths are stolen or fabricated themselves from superior nations.

Wtf is going on in this thread?

It's like the anti-Christian posts come in waves and the pro-Christian posts come in waves.

I definitely think Christianity is a cucked myth the Jews fabricated to make dumb goys revere them but I'd stop saying as much here if the shills are on the anti-Christian side. On the other hand, I feel like a lot of the pro-Christian posts are raiders from /christian/.

I can't even tell who's shilling anymore. I do know that Holla Forums was never Christian-friendly but that doesn't mean that we didn't pick up some redpilled Christians along the way.

I don't want to say that religion threads don't belong here but everyone has to at least admit that religion is an easy way to divide us and keep us bickering.

It all comes down to who is capable of being a race realist in my mind. Religion is useful to control those too dumb, with fear, from being retards and we may need a tool like that in the future again to make sure that the retards stay in line.

Im guessing this was the original reason as to why the abrahamic religions were created, especially islam

Yea, because without religion, the ones on the left side of the bell curve would probably dont know what right is from wrong, and basically just start smashing their dicks with hammers or something dumb like that.

How does muslim feet taste like?

HAHAHA! Oh wow…

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So why did your mother drop you on your head?

Ethical principles do not make a religion.

Suppose that (((someone))) came to your society and gave you a choice: either you'll accept to be split apart and everyone (family members especially) will be given a choice to live far from the others, in a completely different society, or you will all die now and everything related to you will be erased. Which choice does your religion compel you to make?

Also, explain why it should be so under the basic tenets of your religion. Assume you'd be somewhat monitored so that you can't practice your faith (just keep it in your mind); you won't be able to teach it to your children either.

Yes user I have been considering converting to Orthodox as well.

If you weren't such a disgusting newfag you would know that that is the general sentiment in all religious threads.

White European devoted christians support the talmud and all semites. That's what makes you such good goy.

because she was 21 and it was 2am

The pro-christians are traitors who support flooding Europeans with sandnigger Muslims. So who do you think the shills are?

False. I am pro-christian and I don't support that. Deport them. If they refuse, shoot as many as necessary until they comply.

Don't be a bad goy. You must support your middle easter abrahamic brothers

Why of course I support them. They fully deserve to have their own land and not be forced to leave it due to war; I'm sure they will be glad to go back and the ones who got killed were just the terrorists who used those poor masses to get to Europe easily. Not all Muslims are like that, of course…
All you need to do is spin the same narrative the other way :^)

Bumping this question.

lmao at these spergy jews that show every time Christianity is mentioned

no, moshe, jewish-infiltrated Vatican II "Catholicism" isn't Christianity
neither is jewish-infiltrated mainstream American Protestantism

and no we're not going to abandon the faith of our forefathers because modern preachers are cucked (like every other aspect of modern society)

and non-Christians don't?

bahaha wtf is this argument?

So you are going against your church. It just shows you don't truly believe Christianity and your real instincts override Church teaching.

Christianity has never advocated the destruction of state borders and nations/ethnicities. Prove otherwise.
Protip: unity in faith does not mean unity in organisation, state system or genetics.

You've had more pagan forefathers true to racialist spirituality than cuckstian forefathers. Thousands of years of Indo-European heritage against a thousand years of Semitic blight.

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Every major Church today supports immigrants. Even orthococks. This is a documented fact. You can ignore it all you like, but if you support these churches you support the destruction of Western civilization. If you are a christian, then you are effectively a traitor and will be killed as such.

Name one major Church that isn't cancer. If you can do that, then what you say might have some validity. Otherwise you are just saying that 99% of Christians on earth are not true Christians and that only your personal internet interpretation is the real one.

No, he's going against the establishment

The establishment is the church, you dingus.

If he was talking about the 'establishment' in any other formal institutions comprising education, politics, and finance you would suddenly stop acting retarded

probably not since you're a goon

No I wouldn't. There is no difference in those other cases either. You can draw an analogy with the USA and the Constitution. The USA is cancer because the Constitution is cancer, not because of any particular people in the institution. Same with the churches, which are cancer at the level of doctrine, not because of any one person or establishment. In the Catholic Church, for example, Pope Francis is perfectly in line with doctrine when he calls for infinity Muslims to invade Europe. That is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Same with orthococks and the others.

You are basically saying that the church is not the doctrine or the hierarchy running it, but that the true church is in reality the handful of nationalist larpers on the internet posting Deus vult.

And again, you cannot name a single major church that isn't cancer. I am still waiting.

Why does it sound so similar…
No proof and logical fallacy: saying "it's obvious" doesn't make it obvious, except to your delusional mind. mp4 related.
Prove that Christian teaching is pro-immigration/racemixing or fuck right off.

Ehm, and "never" means historically never. Just because someone (especially the Last Pope) is a liberal masquerading as Christian doesn't make what they say Christian teachings.

Pope Francis is just repeating Church doctrine as outlined in lumen gentium and dignitatis humanae. The Catholic Church is an explicitly liberal institution since the second Vatican council. Lumen Gentium is dogma and is pure liberalism.

Again, give me one major church that is not cancer. If there is no proof of what I am saying as you claim (even though there is a ton of proof of every major church supporting Muslim immigration), then it should be easy for you to provide a counterexample of at least one major church that isn't garbage. And I am not talking about some guys from the middle ages, but a church today.

So nearly 2000 years before that amount to… nothing. Yes, 2nd Vatican fully destroyed the Catholics, but they had departed from Christian dogmas during the Great Schism anyway (see: Filioque, ).
It's in the OP, are you blind or shilling?
I can give you my Orthodox church too, right around me. They are not cancer, though, so no e-celebs and you won't know us without actually visiting.
So you indirectly admit that dogmatically and historically, Christianity is not pro-immigration/racemixing. That goes contrary to your previous claim
as the Christianity around me is true. You just meant I don't identify with the cucks around you or on your net. Get out of your bubble.
fucking train net, it's more broken than this site

Orthodox church supports rapefugees, therefore it is cancer.

oca.org/parish-ministry/commservice/helping-to-resettle-refugees

myocn.net/syrian-refugees-take-shelter-in-orthodox-church-on-greek-island/

greece.greekreporter.com/2015/11/07/refugee-crisis-brings-greek-orthodox-and-muslims-together-in-prayer-video/

pravmir.com/church-ready-to-support-all-refugees/

iocc.org/

So, you admit that you are a traitor who supports thr replacement of Europeans with Arabs. You will be killed on the day of the rope along with all the rest in your church. Have fun in Jewish heaven with your fellow Jews.

No, it doesn't. My claim was that you go against the teachings of your church, which you do. Your church is the 2016 Orthococks church, not the middle ages orthococks church. You cannot pretend these are the same churches when they teach absolutely different things.

In fact, them capitulating so fully to modern liberalism only serves to prove that the church was never legitimate to begin with. That their claims to uphold some eternal doctrine were false claims, otherwise they never would have changed anything, which they obviously have.

religion threads killed halfchan's Holla Forums.
dont let it kill this one.

First link, specific cases mentioned:
Second link
Third link: notice how the ones praying are Muslims, while the Orthodox are just looking. Compare it to the schools where they want to turn children muslim. Again, same island as in the previous link.
Fourth link: Cyprus. It's half turkroach.
The fifth link isn't making a point, so I have no counterpoint.

tl;dr you just copypasted them without reading, didn't you?
So what? It's not about Arabs coming to white countries, much less Europe. Where's the racial mixing in your links, where's the cultural mixing?

It doesn't.
Which they don't unless you actually prove it (which you failed at spectacularly), so they are the same.

Try harder. So far, you only managed to convince me that my church is not cucked.

Show me one fucking rapefugees who is a "white Christian" you dumb Christcuck.

Inb4 levantine Arabs are white

You want more, Christcuck?

theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/15/love-has-no-religion-priests-and-pastors-reach-out-to-refugees
Kek.

firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2016/04/the-patriarch-the-pope-and-the-refugee-crisis
Orthodox patriarchs aren't really Christian though, am I right?

antiochian.org/syrian-refugees-surge-serbia-seeking-asylum
Serbian Orthodox isn't Christian either, I guess.

Greek Orthodox not Christian either. Man, finding these true Orthodox Christians is really quite difficult.

pravoslavie.ru/english/81984.htm
Russian Orthodox aren't really Christian either? Damn where are all the true Orthodox Christians? It seems they only exist on the internet in the form of deus vult larpers, not in real life.

Proves you didn't read the examples given in the first link. The burden of proof to show that my church is pro-settling shitskins en masse among whites is on you (but I bet you'll say again that it's an obvious fact and I have to show the contrary).
Fuck it, I'm done trying to talk to you, going to sleep. Keep on lying.

Ugh, okay, one more time. I want to sleep, you cocksucker.
into the trash it goes and I sure as hell am NOT giving them clicks
2nd link
The island of Lesbos, next to Turkey. Again. But I'm sure you think it's pure Europe. Read your own links, retard.
4th link
In other words: nobody?
In your fictional world, maybe.
niceme.me/shill

I read them you fucking moron. They are proof that your church supports the refugees coming to Europe. Greece is the passageway to the rest of Europe. Taking Arab rapefugees there is de facto settling them in Europe. You just ignore this and say that it is okay because they are already near Turkey and have Turks already. So it's okay if Turks move to Turk neighborhoods in Germany or France because they already are there? That is what you are implying you traitorous Christcuck.

You can also see my other links showing the complicity of Serbian, Russian, and Greek churches here:

But you will find some way to excuse that as well, I am sure. Your Jewish religion has trained you well in the ways of the chosen ones. Lying, obfuscating, rationalizing. Ah well, you will be lining the mass graves with your precious Jews and "white Christian" Armenians and Arabs soon enough, christcuck.

Lesbos is a part of Greece, therefore a part of the EU and all of Europe. Keep lying Christcuck.

Most Christcucks on earth are not white. Apefricans, Arabs, etc. All Christcucks and all rapefugees. Your church has no problem with them as long as they profess their love for the Jewish Messiah, come only for the lost sheep of Israel, Rabbi Jesus.

It really would be nice if you Orthodox all got on the same page….you know….adopted a canon or something….

It's bad enough having moving goalposts, but now there are more than one goalpost.

Thanks

So there you have it. You admit the true Orthodox Christians of Serbian, Russian, and Greek churches are complicit in the rapefugee invasion. Finally. Jeez, getting the truth out of a Christcuck is like trying to get a dollar from a Jew.

Yeah, Orthodox Church is a joke.

Never mind that the quotes in OP are not church doctrine at all, just the statements of individuals that carry as much weight as the statements of the many other Orthodox who say racism and nationalism are evil and Jews and Muslims are their brothers in Christ.

Nice try, chaim. Your pointless string of ad hominems accomplishes nothing. Will you also kill everyone who subscribes to the theory of evolution, because most people who do aren't redpilled 1488 NatSocs? Because that's literally your argument. You're claiming that because most Christians aren't regular readers of Holla Forums, therefore all Christians must die… I'm sorry that the Bible doesn't literally spoonfeed people about modern politics, it's almost like the Bible and therefore Christianity isn't about politics at all…


Nice copypasta of your favorite antichrist memes implanted in your brain by strangers. How does it feel to be a living tool for another man's propaganda?


The Jews that developed that reputation are descendent from the Pharisees. The Pharisees did not write the Bible or embrace Jesus, they rejected him and persecuted Christians. Whenever a Christian would preach the word of Jesus, Jews would literally get triggered exactly like SJWs or Mudslimes and react by KILLING THEM. Just for speaking words they disagreed with… sound familiar? And yet, when other Israelites who were not Pharisees heard the word of Jesus, they saw that it was correct and they became Christians.


Why would a Holla Forums Christian die for Israel? It's like you idiots aren't even trying.


Nothing in this post makes sense. Just non sequiturs from a deranged mind. Sad.


Deriving ideas from your ancestors is theft now guyz! How dare those Christian Greeks learn from their non-Christian Greek forefathers! That's oppressionz! Halp! Halp! I'm being oppressed! Call the SJW police to avenge me!


I suspect the anti-Christians are western/northern europeans. Not to imply everyone from that part of the world is like that, but it seems to me there's no real Christianity left in that part of the world so I can see why it's so easy for them to think Christianity is the same everywhere else. As for pro-Christian "shills", I haven't seen any. Shills act like angry angsty teenagers because they don't have actual arguments, but I've only seen that from the anti-Christians. Most of Holla Forums btw is Christian, so not sure where you got your assumptions from. Assuming you're not just a shill trying to create a forced meme here.

And by the way, this is a Christian thread, therefore by default all anti-Christian shitposters are D&C shills. If you come into someone else's thread without the humility of a guest, then for all intents and purposes you are a shill or at best a shitposter. Show some basic human capacity for calm, rational conversation without all the edgy arrogance if you want anyone to believe that you're real.

The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. - Acts 17:24


We've had more caveman forefathers than pagan forefathers. I guess we should all be eating magic mushrooms and drawing the crazy shit we hallucinate on cave walls because that's MUH TRUE ETHNIC RELIGIONZ


The opinions of individual "Christians" or "church leaders" don't matter if they can't refute the contents of the OP (which you probably haven't even read since you're only here to shill and shitpost).

He marched with Martin Luther King.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archbishop_Iakovos_of_America

Christcucks get blown out yet again.

No, I am claiming that because most Christians are traitors they must die. Very different.

Maybe if you were born with a higher IQ, you would have better reading comprehension and not be a Christcuck.

You mean Christian Jews. The original Christians were Jews.

And here we have the classic Holla Forums Christcuck copout.

"Nobody is a true christian except for me. The priests, clergy, and theologians of the church don't matter, and the beliefs of the vast majority of Christians don't matter. Only deus vult internet larpers matter. 99% of people who claim to be Christian aren't real Christians because they don't believe my specific special snowflake racialist interpretation."

LOL from that first link:


Second link just shows sympathy for the tragedy of people being forcibly uprooted from their homes, which is true, none of this would have happened if it weren't for these immoral wars started by Zionists.

Third link is them feeding people… so what, your brilliant plan is to solve the migrant crisis by starving them to death? Wow, you're a political genius. You know, you're probably even gonna be the next Hitler with that kind of brilliant long-term planning.

Fourth link is about wanting to help Christian refugees in Russia, which is already not a white country anyway. It also specifies that it's up to the politicians, who haven't decided on the subject yet.


All those links show is that some people in the Orthodox church lean left on the refugee issue while others lean right. The Orthodox church is not like the Roman Catholic church, it's a lot more decentralized. People are allowed to disagree and have different opinions. The thing they don't disagree on is religious doctrine, and religious doctrine has nothing to do with immigration policies… those are political issues.


Your retardation knows no bounds… The belief that intermarriage between races is a sin has no connection to allowing other races to also worship the same God… how can anyone be this stupid? You do understand that God can be worshipped from any part of the planet at any time, right?


Yeah, it's almost like the Orthodox church is a community of people with different opinions on the interpretation of a religious document called the Bible, and not a political party! Wow, who knew?!

Communist niggers are your brothers in Christ, user. Praise Yahweh and the praise the Jewish chosen race, the apple of G-d's eye.

Then why do most support immigration?

Aiding and abetting the enemy is treason. The link shows them committing treason.

No, the solution is to shoot them to death at the border. But Christcucks would oppose that because they are faggots.

That doesn't contradict what he said in the OP at all. Nice try.


And yet you haven't proven this claim of most Christians being "traitors". And either way that still has nothing to do with Christianity because you could just as easily say "most people who drink Starbucks coffee are traitors and therefore they must die!".

And what do you mean by "traitors" anyway? If you're just saying anyone who disagrees with your political opinion on immigration must die, then you're a deranged sociopath and you need help. The only people involved in open borders who are traitors are people doing it on purpose. Being ignorant of politics in a world where all political media is (((controlled))) doesn't make them traitors, it makes them just like most other people… So unless your plan is to murder half the population of your own country (including the white people you claim to want to protect), then your claims make zero sense.

Arrogance is not a sign of intelligence. Everything in that post I replied to was a non sequitur, just like your ad hominems.

You were talking about Greek philosophy. That entered Christianity mostly through Christian Greeks interpreting the Bible well after it was written. Also the original Christians were not Jews, they were Judeans and other Israelites. The modern word "Jew" means Talmudists descended from the Pharisees specifically, aka the ones who rejected Christ and persecuted Christians for disagreeing with them, much like you declared you want to do above… hmm, interesting. Tell me, why is it that you happen to see Christianity exactly the way that Jews do?

Pointless strawman, I don't know why you people even waste your energy typing this nonsense out like you think it's going to accomplish anything. I have no responsability for people who choose to interpret a book differently then how I interpret it. I wish they wouldn't, and I argue with them every chance I get to convince them otherwise, but outside of that I have no power to control them any more than you do, so your SJW-like tactic of collective guilt fallacy once again reveals how intellectually dishonest you are.


You still haven't proven that "most" do. Since Trump is winning with Christian voters, you'll have to actually provide some evidence for your bogus claims.


I'm sorry to break your LARPing fantasies, but treason is a legal term that only applies to enemies recognized by your government. EU governments haven't recognized refugees as enemies, and therefore they are not committing treason. If you eurocucks would get off your asses and do what we're trying to do here with Trump, then maybe you could change that law, at which point the church would stop helping them because the Bible instructs them to follow the laws of their nation.

Okay, go ahead Mr. Vigilante Batman, how many have you personally killed so far?

If you're talking about vigilante "justice", any rational person would oppose that. If you talking about a government policy to KoS any who cross the border illegally, then only libtards and cuckservatives would oppose that, regardless of whether they're Christian or not. Once again, you've failed to demonstrate the logical connection between this concept and the concept of Christianity. But of course you don't even know what a logical connection is, do you?

I did a search on the Iakovos quote, and I found a source that was a little different from OP's. No shock to find Christians being dishonest.

The big change is that the question is different. It's hostile to the idea of interracial marriage. Iakovos is being very diplomatic in his wording to the questioner, which priests of all kinds usually are, and then follows up with a second paragraph containing the usual anti-racist garbage.


Also note


This was from a source dated 1987. What Iakovos said was not outside normal discourse back then, and considering he was born in 1911, his perspective could be said to reflect the norms of a somewhat earlier era. He is clearly not in any way racist by the standards of that time period or the preceding 76 years of his life.

So what? That particular individual doesn't think the Bible advocates banning interracial marriages, but he also doesn't think the Bible advocates encouraging interracial marriages. He clearly explained that he thinks they're undesireable and gave solid reasons why, which means he's more on the negative side of the issue than he is neutral. Further, that doesn't contradict the other material in the OP showing that the sixth commandment was most likely banning race-mixing, it just means this particular Iakovos guy either disagreed or didn't even know about it. I however, along with the OP and various others who have posted here, disagree with Iakavos. In the Orthodox church, we're allowed to disagree… it's always been a community of conversations about the Bible, not some sort of dictatorial dogmatic declarations from on-high like the stereotypical Roman Catholic church.

Now you're backing down.


Yeah, what bullshit. I also showed that earlier as well


Nobody cares about you. Aside from that, OP posted an example of something that he thought was mildly against race mixing, and now you don't even agree with that.

civilrights.goarch.org/historical-news/-/asset_publisher/CRWr248bUG8D/content/archbishop-iakovos-to-participate-in-ecumenical-service-marking-dr-martin-luther-king-holiday

Yes, this is what I am saying.

At least half will need to be killed, yes. They are irredeemable and dysgenic for the race. All liberals and christcucks will need to be killed.


Yes, they were.

Jew is a racial classification, not a religious one. Their religion is irrelevant. A Jew is a Jew, whether he is atheist, christian, or buddhist doesn't matter.

The government in not the nation. You would understand that if you weren't an Amerikike, since your entire national identity is defined by your citizenship within your Jewish government. Your entire national identity is cucking for Jews, whether through your government, your Hollywood popular culture, or your adherence to christcuckoldry.

No, only traitors and utter faggots would oppose it. So, christfags.

So you admit that it has always been liberal. Good game christfags. Your church was liberal before liberalism existed (because liberalism is simply Christcuck values transposed into secular law).

What am I "backing down" from exactly? If the sixth commandment means "thou shalt not racemix", then that means God's law bans racemixing. Not sure what part of that confuses you.

And yes I read your other post where you expressed your opinion about what the sixth commandment says, but I disagree. It's amusing that you're on Holla Forums, a site where we discuss politically incorrect topics like alternate history and conspiracy theories, and yet you cite random pleb-tier "sources" to "prove" the (((mainstream))) claims… The point of the OP was that there is a dissenting opinion on what the true translation of the sixth commandment is. Furthermore, if you bothered to read my other posts, you would know that the translation that became popular, aka "adultery", doesn't contradict that either, because that word has a different meaning as well which used to be a lot more mainstream, namely "the mixing of two different kinds of things together so as to create impurity". Hence why even today we refer to something that has had impurities introducted into it as "adulterated", and something pure as "unadulterated". And given the various contexts in which it's used, plus the alternative definition, it very much looks like the translators that chose the word "adultero" intended it as a metaphor for race-mixing, as in to race-mix is to make something impure, i.e. to commit adultery. Its additional meaning as a metaphor for sleeping with another man's wife also makes sense, because that too creates a different sort of impurity.

the OP also cited a source, namely the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament by Gerhard Kittel. If you look him up, wikipedia works very hard to declare him to be a crazy "anti-Semite" who supported the Nazis. Sounds like a pretty good source to me. That dictionary he wrote is still very much widely accepted as an authoritative source. I'm sorry that your little google escapade failed to find better information than you can find by actually getting off your lazy ass and reading books.


Okay buddy, it's time I stop feeding the troll. If you're serious about any of this, then you are by no means an ally of Holla Forums. You are now an unapologetically self-declared enemy of the white race. Goodbye.


You sound like a liberal LARPing as what you imagine an ebil nahzee is so you can D&C shill us. How easily you reveal yourselves. If you're not, but you sound like one anyway… that's even more pathetic.

I wonder if you've actually researched this in any capacity, or if you just read /fringe/-tier conspiracy theories online and treat them like gospel-truth. I said this before, but let me reiterate that I've run the gamut of secular religious studies. I can tell you firsthand that there is no reverence whatsoever for Christianity; the textbook for the first class I took in the subject was written by Bart Ehrman for Christ's sake. And then, even then, nobody was stupid enough to think that Jesus never existed.


My man, I hope you realize I'm the same guy as >>5820104 >>5821650 . I don't want to defend the Jews as they exist today–they're the murderers of my God. They killed Christ without having been forced to do so, or knowing that good would come from it. As is constantly reinforced in our Orthodox hymns on the subject, they are truly children of darkness.


I am a burger, but I don't know what you mean by "larping." I do actually believe this stuff, if you're implying that I don't. But yeah, where I live it'll probably be Mexicans that do me in. Or if I'm lucky maybe I'll survive long enough for a pure nordic aryan like yourself to murder me in cold blood on the Day of the Meme!

The decision regarding immigrants (and racism in general) is theologoumena, and not a single hierarch would tell you otherwise. I mean, I think it's hilarious that you think that a religion is made up of race traitors because we don't make racism a dogma. It's almost like our religion is true regardless of what race you are.

Oh neat, a thread about Orthodoxy wow it's big I wonder what people are….

Am Orthodox, can confirm with fedora fag/odincuck here.

Caveat: Christianity is the real Nation of Israel goy. Anyone calling themselves "jewish" in this day and age are literal Satan worshipers according to Christ himself.

But yeah, og Christians (apostles) were jewish as fuck. It's like how you excise a cancer from the healthy mass though; the money grubbing kikesters that Christ got mad at obviously didn't follow him and so were cut off from God.


user is 100% right on this too. The government can be treasonous (like today).


user is correct here; for what it's worth, a lot of orthobros are just waiting for a Patriarch to give the word in order to do what's Right. Fedora fags are lucky since, under Byzantine style theocracy, we tolerate them so long as zero blasphemy.

Pagan fags will probably be okay, but the anti-blasphemy laws mean they won't be able to sacrifice the infants to honor baal, freya, or whatever they worship anymore.

You're going to have to explain this user; I think you went into full retard territory on that last one.

No, all I did here was a simple search for what the word moicheuo meant in Greek. None of the Greek dictionaries support your claims.


IOW, someone with a very strong political axe to grind.

What you would do to make this claim have any weight is to show that the Church itself viewed it in that way - for example, refusing interracial marriages at different points in history while referencing the 6th commandment as the basis for their refusal.

Your stupid holy books have been analyzed to death by hundreds of thousands if not millions of scholars over the centuries. The fact that someone with very strong views expressed a heterodox opinion against those of everyone else carries no weight at all.

How does that work?
Half of whites are masochists who want to be destroyed. We will just be giving them what they want. And 90% of the other people on earth will need to be killed as well for environmental reasons (unless whites are defeated first at which point the world is fucked either way).

I don't necessarily believe it either, just that there is only a little more evidence of him existing (a couple of outside sources from decades later written from third hand knowledge) as there is of him being divine (literally none except the Bible).


Hinduism is simultaneously more universal than Christianity while also having racism as fundamental to the doctrine. The two are not incompatible, unless you are a mentally deficient christcuck.

Entertaining every fag's individual thoughrs rather than dictatorial decrees from the top of the hierarchy is liberal egalitarianism.

As for the rest, humanism is the basis for modern liberalism, and humanism is just the secularized form of Christian morality.

This is just a matter of semantics. Since the English word "Jew" was invented in the 18th century, and the Talmudists then started calling their religion the made-up word "Judaism" after the fact just so they could call themselves "Jews", it's clearly intended by them as a deception just as Jesus predicted. The correct translation into English is not "Jew", it's "Judean". So Jesus said beware those who say they are Judeans but are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan. In other words, beware the (modern) Jews. Unfortunately the Jews have effectively fucked our language now to the point where everyone refers to the ancient Hebrew/Israelite peoples as "Jews", but the reality is that even the Jewish Roman historian Josephus made clear in his written history of the Jews that Jews didn't exist until after the Babylonian exile, which is where the "Oral Torah" (that would later form the basis for the written Talmud) began to form.

Well that's again a matter of semantics, but I agree governments can obviously do things harmful to the people. Still doesn't contradict that churches aren't comitting treason by feeding people.

An organized crusade of sorts is different than some lone vigilante in my opinon, but I'm not sure a Patriarch would ever call for something like that as I don't think they're given any such authority in the Bible, but I could be mistaken (and I hope so).


To you. But nobody cares what your interpretation of the Bible is since you don't follow it anyway.


Obviously killing at least half of whites is contributing to white genocide… If you're going to troll at least put some effort into it, this is childish.


Again you seem to deliberately misinterpret what everyone says just to desperately twist everything your way, just like a Jew. He clearly did not say that it's impossible for a religion to have racism as a dogma, he said that this particular religion doesn't (though there are those like myself that disagree with that). But it also doesn't have anti-racism as a dogma, and therefore it is not a legitimate target for attacks by white nationalists, only for attacks by D&C shills like yourself.

Not if they are traitors who are driving it themselves. It is just cutting off the dead weight. I suspect most of them are genetically inferior anyway, so we should not want them contributing to the gene pool.

All the pagan atheist butthurt is delicious.

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And the Bible is unreliable because ?????

A paragraph from Josephus Flavius, a Jewish (i.e. not Christian) historian. Actum Pilatum, recorded as Roman correspondence. Pliny, Tacitus, etc. there are quite a lot. considering he wasn't a world-famous person when direct records were written.

The problem is that you allow interracial interactions while I accept only segregation. You fail to understand that you are a SJW and any view in opposition appears 'retarded' to you - exactly the response of a typical SJW. You accept non-whites to promote your church rather than your people assuming you aren't some nigger which appears to be likely at this point.

You promote liberalism - plain and simple - and I will oppose it and by extension, your religion and your church.

Aspects of a good information source.

1. It is written by someone knowledgeable with the topic
2. It has been peer-reviewed by others knowledgeable with the topic
3. It presents evidence and facts that can be reproduced or verified by a neutral person.

Bible
1. The people who wrote it have no knowledge of the topic. All writing is based on hearsay.
2. It has never been peer-reviewed.
3. Evidence and facts are based on archeological evidence are scant at best. There is ample proof that facts, evidence and texts have been forged to fit a narrative, over time. A neutral reasonable person would accept none of it.

People have no knowledge of what happened around them in their lifetime? Because basically everything except Genesis could have been written around the time of those events.
It absolutely fails, with reviewers unable or too lazy to distinguish between a coherent article and scientific lorem ipsum. Most scientific articles are reviewed for impact and occasionally narrative (AGW, give us shekels goyim so that polar ice wouldn't melt) even in hard sciences, which leads to lack of replication attempts, not to mention the attempted and failed replication.
You think most scientists aren't just creating a narrative for funding?

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

Gain some reading comprehension Christcuck. I said nobody mentions him being divine except for the kikes who wrote the Bible, which is the truth. Hell, even some Christians deny that by being Unitarians because the Bible itself is so contradictory and poorly written that people can easily argue either way (and argue pretty much anything else they want).

Because if a divine being were walking around performing miracles and raising people from the dead in the Roman Empire, more people would be documenting it than just a couple of kikes (one kike who never even met him except in a hallucination- after eating some tainted goyim blood matzo most likely).

What is more likely. That Jews are liars, something we know to be true throughout all of history, or that the Bible is true and a Jew was running around the Roman Empire casting magic spells and nobody ever heard of it happening except for the few Jews who wrote the new testament?

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It is logical. Christianity is founded on cuckoldry.

-Jesus was born out of cuckoldry when Joseph was cucked by God and his virgin Jew wife gave birth to Rabbi Yehoshua/Jesus (same God but also different but also the same but also jewish… don't think about it too much).

-the original gentile Christians were essentially the same as Europeans today who convert to Islam. Cucks who betrayed their ancestors and their kin to worship a ratfaced Semite from the desert. Betrayed the greatest civilization in history to go pretend to eat human flesh in the form of Jesus biscuits with a bunch of Jews.

-modern Christians overwhelmingly support cucking their nations out of existence by importing infinity shitskin muslims

So Christcuck is a very fitting and logical term. Of course my posts were not only that term, and you are being completely dishonest by focusing only on that and ignoring the rest. But Christians have never been known for being honest, since reverance for honesty is an Aryan trait while Christcuckoldry stems from Semites, the biggest liars of all time.

That is correct. There is a separation of centuries.


Wew lad….tin foil hat is pretty tight today. The irony is that you typed this nonsense on a computer derived from the methodology you disparage.

I am afraid that I have no good response to willful ignorance. I do have a workaround though….it will have to do.

more like his whore wife fucked some random merchant for a few shekels

That's not what "in their lifetime" means. Learn English.
This is Holla Forums, not reddit.
The methodology you glorify.
You're a big guy. On the Internet.

The religious/nonreligous D&C needs to go, it turns all threads into cancer. If only the mods weren't fags, they'd keep it out of all threads…

Why are you on an image board if you wanted to post on your blog?

The patriarch owns a yatch uses church money to fuck hooker and but cars

Everyone should read that to understand the Christian/SJW mentality.

This is a thread on a politics board about Orthodox Christianity. This Christian believes that any criticism of his beliefs are "Divide and Conquer."

IOW, they are supposed to be able to post their pro-Christian bullshit without any critical response.

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this, christians are almost as bad as the kikes. Only dumber.

And there you go lying again. I'm a NatSoc, so no I don't "allow" any such thing, assuming I had the power to not allow it. I'll never understand why people like you can't seem to tell the difference between politics and religion… It's like you think that religion must decide every single thought and opinion in a person's mind… but I don't think I've ever heard of a religion that works that way. Not even Islam… it's not like the Quoran has instructions on how to make bombs, for example. Christianity is concerned with spirituality, and by extension morality because that determines your spiritual health and therefore your survival beyond physical death. Meanwhile, for matters of the physical world, which is the domain that politics operates in, that's for science, fact, and logic to decide.

The rest of your post is just more random lies that you just pulled out of your ass without even any attempt at backing them up with any evidence. You might as well have claimed that I'm an evil reptillian from outer space.


By those standards, you must believe that 99% of all human history is a fairy tale that was made up. Nice conspiracy theory. The trouble is, conspiracy theories need evidence, and you've provided none. Thinking the burden of proof lies on only the people you disagree with is the classic fallacy of the arrogant liberal, so no surprise to see antichrists following liberal patterns of thought.


His wife was a virgin, therefore he was not cucked. No adultery took place. God was not physical until he entered the world as Jesus Christ, and therefore physical acts such as cuckoldry could not apply to him.

They worshipped God, who created their ancestors, and therefore again no cucking took place.

Cite your statistics or have your claims dismissed. Also explain why Christians are overwhelmingly supporting Trump? And let me guess, you're another western/northern europoor who knows nothing about the rest of the world outside your little bubble? I'm sorry that the "Christians" in your part of the world have been so heavily brainwashed by your Cultural Marxist schools, but that's not God's fault, that's Satan's work. They should have paid more attention to their Bible.

Lol, this is coming from the guy that thinks the entire early Christian church before the compilation of the Bible was a vast, powerful conspiracy that spanned hundreds of years, and then the Bible they came up with was such incredibly potent propaganda that it fooled the entire world, including all the Aryan Master Race, in a way that not even the most advanced propaganda techniques of today are able to replicate considering that Cultural Marxism doesn't even spread the way Christianity did despite having the help of the government, the media, the entertainment industry, and the educational system, wheras Christianity was violently and murderously opposed by all of those institutions plus all the religious institutions of the time.

S not only do you have zero evidence for this absurd conspiracy theory, but you also can't answer how exactly the Aryans are the Master Race if they could be fooled so easily and so quickly, or how pagan religions could have been the true religions and yet be so easily tossed aside when Christianity came along (and why the pagan gods didn't punish them for it if they're real), or how the Jews could have invented the most powerful propaganda tool in the universe 2000 years ago and yet today with all their power and science they can't even come close to replicating it…

Yep, sounds pretty legit.


Present your evidence. I doubt you have any, considering you use "the patriarch" as if you think there's only one.


Vitriolic attacks without any attempt at genuinely understanding the other person's perspective but only trying to beat your chest and put down your opponent are not "criticism", they are D&C. This thread is for Orthodox Christians, and those who are interested in learning about it, which clearly isn't you. Go make your own thread about your paganism or fedoraism and leave our thread that has nothing to do with you. If you can somehow manage to not attack Christianity in your own threads, then you won't have me coming over there to shitpost the way you're doing here. But I doubt that you can, since your entire belief system seems to revolve around opposing Christianity. Which is pretty ironic. Especially given that this is also the entire basis of the Jewish belief system.

the only thing that is allowed here are religions that are race realistic. If you believe that niggers have a soul, that means you are out. I have talked way too much with religious tards to know exactly how their logic map is.

Unless you confess that niggers have no soul, you are pretty much not at home here on Holla Forums.

I'm thinking about converting but me and my family are catholic croats. They'd skin me alive. Literally.

Wat do?

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If you are going to post here about Christianity, and I think you should be able to, then you should be ready to talk about it from a critical political and sociological perspective. The board is about politics, not proselytizing your shit religion with no criticism allowed. How fucking entitled can you be to think you could do that?

Incidentally, those same rules would apply to any other religion or belief system, whether it be paganism, Hinduism, atheism, Islam, monarchism, whatever.

You totally ignored entire thread to shitpost. = /christian/Russian shill.

How is claiming that you know whether someone has a soul or not "realistic"? Also, stop trying to pretend like you know anything about Holla Forums. Christians have been the majority here for a long time, your shilling doesn't work here.


That's a tough one. I'd say go with your heart. You might also want to discuss the idea in passing with your family. First I'd start to talk to them about what criticisms you have of Roman Catholocism, and then later start bringing up how Orthodoxy differs. They don't have to agree, but I think it would be easier for them to understand your decision if they see your thought process and understand your reasons.


Nobody's proselytizing here. This thread is about what the OP is about, which is clearly Holla Forums related. If you want to bring constructive criticism that's fine, like I said, but if you can't tell the difference between that and vitriolic D&C attacks then you should be spending your time learning how human communication works rather than shitposting on egyptian mosaic discussion websites.

The difference between you and I is that you are a fucking retard. Like a prideful nigger, you boast how you are good at things, not knowing that the limit your mind is in, your nature, is not the best that exists out there. So you keep on drinking that grape drank, keep on blaming the white fool. Not realizing that the reason why you cannot get a job (ascend religion), is that your IQ is too low.

That is why we need a retard proof religion that encompasses some values, the most important ones that we have, and that is race realism.

If you are not willing to accept it, you will be our enemy, and I doubt that this time round when the pendulum swings, we will accept your bullshit. Oh we will remember you and your family, as we remember the white feminists and we will do bad things to you.

Oh, the irony. In Christianity we call this "the pride before the fall". I recommend you try learning some humility, a Christian virtue. But you won't, because you're most likely a typical millenial who, like most in our generation of the damned, suffer from extreme narcissism. The exceptions to this that I've seen tend to be the rare millenials like myself who are Christian, and therefore resist narcissism by the Christian values of humility and personal responsibility.

Did you just claim that race realism is a religion? GTFO shilltard. Race realism is scientifically confirmed, it has nothing to do with religion. It's not even related to spirituality, so what kind of dumbass would want to attach it to a religion? There's literally no connection there…

LOL, that edge! They're paying you way too much for this, you're not even good at it. I've seen more convincing writing in the death threats Anita Sarkeesian sent to herself.

basically just low IQ bullshit. A dog barks, a cat meows and christians expel bullshit from their minds.

Now I realize that this might have been the wrong place to ask, but the main problem is that I'm croatian and the orthodox church is serbian. Or at least my family thinks that.

They're not too fond of them, especially my fathers side. My grandfather in particular is a big fan of Pavelic and the Ustase.

If a serb is lurking please help me with this.

You've worked hard to earn your report and filter, congradulations.

I will literally want to murder you to keep your bullshit out, I am not even kidding. Your kind has ruined so much that I consider you to be on the level of the kikes.

have a report back, goddamn I hope you remember it will you filthy egalitarian, your skin color wont save you, you will burn on the pile just fine alongside the rest of the feminazies, race traitor cucks and the rest of your friends, like the pope.

Oh I see, yeah that sounds like it's more of a political/national problem rather than a religious problem. But you might be able to find a non-Serbian Orthodox church:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy_in_Croatia

It looks like there's also Bulgarian, Macedonian, and Montenegrin churches in Croatia, so maybe your family would be more accepting if you went to one of those instead. Also, it looks like there used to be a Croatian Orthodox Church in WW2 that was set up by the Ustase. It doesn't exist anymore, but you could use that historical fact to explain to your family that Orthodoxy as a religion is historically compatible with their views:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Orthodox_Church

And it looks like the Association of Croatian Orthodox Believers is working to try to re-create that church so that Croatia can have its own Orthodox church again:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Croatian_Orthodox_Believers

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Kek, where do you read this stuff? www.atheistmixologist.neildegrassetysonismyhomeboy/heychristianswhyyounorealizehowstupidyourfairytalebookis.blogtown.net?


Eyewitnesses enlightened by the Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. I wonder who you would consider more knowledgeable on the subject than that. Perhaps by knowledgeable you mean "agrees with me?"


Each of the gospels corroborates the other three. Also, the formulation and codification of the New Testament canon was basically the Church going through and figuring out what was authentic–a form of peer review.


History is pretty much the study of things that can't be reproduced, so this doesn't really work as a criterion for historical sources at all.

So what you're basically saying is that the testimony of those who believe that these things happened needs to be corroborated by the testimony of those who don't believe that they happened. But if that happened, then they would no longer be the people who don't believe it. The gospels also contain within them people like St. Thomas who don't believe at first, but eventually have to face the facts and get onboard.

Look, it'd be great if there was a record of some enlightened 1st century STEM major going through a highly logical and scientific process of determining if Jesus rose from the dead. But that doesn't exist in the same way that it doesn't exist for any ancient figure. All of the sources that we do have, however, point to his existence and resurrection.

It's pretty hard to keep a straight face upon reading this sort of thing.

Dang dude, screencapped. Freaking based.

But I don't think that that user actually think that that user really believes in the pagan gods. He just thinks that religion is a social club.


My man, I've gotta let you know that saying stuff like, "I literally want to murder people," doesn't do wonders for convincing people that your ideology is moral or worthwhile. Just something to keep in mind.

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So what if they are? Trump would not even be considered conservative fifty years ago. The only reason the overton window moved so far left that Trump is considered anything special is because Christfags are morons who vote for Jewish neocon puppets just so long as they mention fetuses and Israel enough times. The only reason Trump is necessary is because Christcucks are so low IQ and gullible that they fall for the whole "chosen ones" fable.

It isn't hard to fool people when 99% of then are illiterate peasants who don't even know the liturgical language. As soon as people learned to read, the smarter ones realized they had been duped by kikes for centuries. The dumb ones remained Christcucks and handed their nations to Jews on a silver platter.

Become a Buddhist. Buddhism isn't based on fake Jewish fairy tales. Vajrayana is the preferred path.

Typical Christcuck. It doesn't matter what is true, just what your feelings are. Jesus must have been the first SJW.

Humiliation is a Christian virtue. Straight from the horse's mouth.

Not surprising, since their god was a degenerate submissive masochist who died getting flogged when he forgot his safe word.

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Yes, Jewish eyewitnesses. Very reliable. In fact, all the evidence we have for the Holocaust also comes from Jewish eyewitnesses. They must both be true then.

Three of them are known to have been written by the same person. And they were most likely heavily influenced by the fourth.

Yeah, all one source, written by two Jews. Nice body of evidence you have there.

Official invitation to >>>/christ/

Get in there before this thread dies and you still have questions or doubts about christianity

More accurate tbh

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Exactly.

Oh wait, but christ cucks are dumb enough to believe that Jews are just a religion, not a race of demented subhuman genetic refuse. That is why they are always getting screwed by fake Jewish converts.

Stay dumb and gullible Christfags. You are doing a better job killing your religion than we ever could. One day our people will be free from.your Semitic mind virus.

Stay mad, faggots. I'm sorry that whatever Western nation you live in caved to rampant kike liberalism, but my country is still devout and holding its position against liberal fuckery (like it has for many centuries). This battle is far from over, and I'm not going to become some defeatist atheist cuck or go back to worshipping tree gods to try and fix things.

And yet athiest Europe and Canada are more cucked than anyone. Also by the way the Zionist heresies are only possible in the Protestant world because they use cucked mistranslations of the Bible, and because they rejected the long traditions of Catholicism/Orthodoxy, which means anyone can come along and claim they have the true interpretation of the Bible. But regardless, overall it's still better than having no religion because then you end up replacing it with some retarded political ideology instead, since humans have a need to believe in something.


Thanks for proving you know nothing about the early church and learned everything you think you know from popular fiction about muh roman catholicz. You do know this is a thread about Orthodoxy, right? If you know nothing about it, then either learn some humility and ASK, or just leave and stop embarassing yourself.


Not what I said at all. In Orthodoxy we seek a harmony between the head and the heart, as that's where true wisdom lies.

This is particularly ironic, because in fact the first SJWs were the Jews (who hated Christ). They were so #triggered by things that Jesus said that they kept trying to stone him to death simply for saying things they disagreed with. He kept escaping, so finally they concern trolled the Roman authorities to get them to kill Jesus for them, but the Romans were like "wtf, he didn't do anything", so the Jews manipulated him by working up a mob to demand that he kill Jesus, and convincing him that if he doesn't act then the Emperor will be mad at him for letting a rebel go. And so finally he gave in to their demands. Does this pattern of behavior sound familiar? It's exactly what Jews & SJWs continue to do today.


Nobody is impressed by lies. Turning "humility" into "humiliation", what is that even supposed to mean? Are you even trying? Do you actually think anybody would be fooled by such low energy (and low IQ) shilling?

The word "Jew" doesn't just mean whatever you want it to mean. It's an English word that was invented in the 18th century for translations of the Bible, specifically the New Testament. The word it was translated from actually means Judean. A Judean is someone from the province of Judea. The province of Judea was originally occupied by members of the Israeli tribe of Judah, one of the 12 tribes. However the events of the NT was after the Assyrian, Babylonian, and Persian invasions/occupations, and was during the Roman occupation, so as a result Judea was a pretty mixed place. The number of people in Judea who were actually descendents of Judah was much smaller now, and there were many mixed Edomites and others. In addition, the Judeans that had been taken into Babylonian capitivity likely mixed as well before they returned. That means we're not talking about a specific genetic/cultural/religious group at all. Further, Jesus himself didn't even come from Judea, he came from Galilee to the north, as did 11 of his 12 disciples. Galilee was occupied at the time by the tribe of Benjamin. This means that by the Biblical definition of Jew (aka the original definition), Jesus and most of his disciples were not Jews. The only one of his disciples that was a Jew was Judas, the thief, who ended up betraying Jesus. Sure sounds like a Jew to me.

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What limp wristed household did you grow up in?


Top quality image lad I'm sure it'll come in handy in your folder when you doubt yourself

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Wow, you seem really mad.

Any of you fedora tipping pagans care to actually debate Christianity's legitimacy and not just spam memes? Try disproving it.

Man, I'm late to this thread. Just a brief reminder orthocucks are just another branch of Jew loving cuck cultists. OP is intentionally twisting and cherry-picking to make them look better. But as we all know, christcucks lie easily when their eyes are on the prize; more converts for their semitic cult.

A picture is worth more than a thousand words, so here's the chief orthocuck kissing the guy who licks nigger toes.

Worship semitism at your own risk.

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Those Orthodox Churches are incredible. I cry like a little baby everytime I see one.

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Christianity is useless: Confirmed.

Aren't you suppose to be shoving bananas up your ass or something?

Why are you shitposting on Holla Forums?

Shouldn't you be on reddit?

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Don't feed the trolls, just report & filter. They just want to derail and they succeed when you reply instead of report & filter.

I just went home to visit my parents and I went to church with them to avoid a family brawl.

I used to be extremely religious when I was younger, and it seemed to make a lot of sense to me. There was some sort of comfort in knowing that we were establishing some sort of front against the tides of hedonism in the world.

This time, the pastor basically called out Trump's anti-immigrant agenda and they literally offered holy water to people who brought "eco-friendly" bottles so they could "bless the hiking trails and the earth" over the next few weeks.

What the fuck happened? This isn't the Christianity I remember. I'd basically lost my religion before this, so there's that. But, this shit is out of control. I can't support a system that is so openly against what used to be right.

Dad seemed to still be on the right path but that's not saying much. I got in to an argument with mom about whether or not some misbehaving nigger kids were cute or not, so I never avoided the family brawl anyway.

Never again, Holla Forums

Well considering this is a thread about Orthodoxy, I suggest giving that a try. Your church sounds like an especially cucked form of Protestant. Unfortunately Cultural Marxism is infesting all the institutions of the west, and since Protestants rejected Tradition, it's much easier for them to be cucked. Now though, Roman Catholics are being cucked by their own Pope, so it seems like Orthodoxy is the last stand. But overall, keep in mind that religion is not really about politics. Ideally I'm happy if a priest doesn't talk about politics and sticks to religion, but the issue is Leftists see their political beliefs as moral beliefs and therefore they want to insert it into literally everything they do. So your best bet is to just find a church with a conservative priest/pastor, or at least one that doesn't care or talk about politics.

Not really. Europe has active national socialist parties with real influence. America has a bourgeois scumbag liberal and idiotd worship him as if he is legitimately right wing.

The two share the same root, dingus. Christcucks were the ones to pervert the meaning of the word and turn the humiliating state of being into a virtue.
etymonline.com/index.php?term=humility

That is why they are literally cuckolds, since humility and humiliation spring from the same base and subhuman principle.

And it is a fact that in the bible Jesus was a BDSM pervert who allowed himself to be tortured for his own gratification, which is not surprising because he was a Jew.


Again, Christfags are cucks for Jews because they fail to acknowledge the root of the Jewish problem. That they are genetically subhuman. You go around in circles with semantics and never recognize the simple fact that Jews are born as Jews, that it is in their blood, and that no amount of praying to Rabbi Jesus can turn then into anything other than rotten Jew scum. Christcucks have been checked for centuries because of their naive and stupid tendency to trust kikes.

Christians are niggers, actually.

This is why Christcucks are cancer. They were the first people to secularize statecraft. That is why liberalism just resembles secular christcuckoldry, complete with the masochism and humiliation that they raised to virtues. It is because Christians literally invented it.

Oh, what a surprise. Why are antichrist shills always anti-Trump shills too?

You don't seem to understand how etymology works… when you take a word from another language and change it to fit your language, it can change meaning. That's why the definition of humility in English is different from the definition of humilitas in Latin. In Latin, both the concept of humility and the concept of humiliation were contained in the same word, so you couldn't easily distinguish between them. This is because in the old pagan culture, being humble was seen as a bad thing that always led to humiliation. But Christianity brought about a more nuanced understanding, and so distinctions were needed between the two, as the two are obviously separate concepts, hence why they have different definitions in English. If they were the same concept as you laughably claim, then it would be impossible for them to have different definitions.

At any rate, you could also just use the word humbleness, if linguistics triggers you so much.

No matter how much you try to change what happened in the Bible to fit your narrative, it's never going to work.

Nothing I said there contradicted that at all. Your shilling is in vain. How does it feel to know so many hours of your life are wasted on nothing, gone forever and never to return?


The subject of secularization has absolutely nothing to do with my advice to that guy about what to look for in a priest, since he's not going to the priest for political advice… and even in a theocracy he still wouldn't be… But of course you know that, you're only doing this to earn your shill paycheck. By picking out something I said and trying desperately to relate it to something entirely different just to try to use as an attack against me, (which by the way is a standard Jewish tactic outlined in Mein Kampf), you've demonstrated that you're not here in good faith. That's why you've earned your report and filter.

No, I do understand that and actually said as much. Learn to read, Christcuck. I said the meaning was changed to a subhuman Christian meaning. They tried to change it into something good, like when faggots took the word "queer" and tried to change it into something positive for them. But the two words still share similar meanings, just that the ancients saw "humility" as being humiliating in itself, while masochistic Christfags turned their weakness and subhumanity into a virtue. It is typical Jewish inversion of language. Up is down, black is white, weakness is strength, etc.

St. Luke was a Gentile, my man. But I do find it shocking that you seem to think that a Jewish person could not possibly write anything accurate. Even when what they write is quite possibly the biggest middle finger to the Jews ever penned.


Again, where do you read this stuff? Markian Primacy posits that Matthew and Luke were influenced by Mark, but nobody believes that one person wrote all three.


Again, there are four gospels. Written by three Jews and one Greek.


Great post overall, but I feel the need to correct you that Christ himself was indeed of the tribe of Judah, in accordance with OT prophecies such as Genesis 49:8-12 and the many prophecies that the Christ must come from the line of David, who was from Judah.


Do you know anything about culture? Some cultures greet each other with a handshake, some greet with a bow, and some greet with a kiss on each cheek. This is an ancient tradition, going at least back to the first century. It's not at all homoerotic unless you have a per

Bottom kek, my man. I think the term you're looking for is the Nag Hammadi Library. And yes, they are irrelevant; they're pretty much unanimously agreed to be fanfiction written much later than the true gospels.

Interestingly, I agree with you on this statement. However, I think we mean different things when we say it. To you, religion isn't real and any religion that dictates that you do something you don't want to do should be discarded. I see it the opposite way. Christianity is the fundamental truth of all the world, and we should let that inform all aspects of our political thought. If ever the two are in tension, then it's the political view that must be cast aside. And before you say that I must then be some sort of transvegan liberal demicommunist SJW, I'll let you know that I'm an absolute monarchist.

Oh, and happy belated Mother's Day to the Theotokos and Mother of the Light! May she ceaselessly intercede for us all!

Nice strawman, Christcuck. I am more "religious" than you will ever be.

Lots of good goyim out there, my man. Just like you

It is very unlikely.

Only if you have a deficient understanding of what a Jew is, as you do.

Of course you would be some sort of modernist faggot. Christcucks are always degenerate, so prefer degenerated modernist modes of rulership, like absolute monarchy.

Oh look, right after he's reported & filtered he changes his IP, just like a good little shill. Yet the sad fucker can't even provide an actual argument against what I said so he just repeats himself again… I feel bad for people like this, how they waste their life away typing words on the internet that serve no purpose. Reported & filtered again.


Hmm, that's an interesting point. But what were his parents doing in Galilee?

Forgive me, I assumed you were an atheist because of some of your comments. Are you a pagan then, or something else?


If you reject both Jewish and Gentile authors, then whom would you accept? People who agree with you?

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Probably just migration over time, I would guess. Remember, the reason that Joseph and the Mother of God went to Bethlehem (the City of David) was because it was customary for people to return to the city of their familial origin for a census.

Christ's lineage from Judah is also attested to by his genelogy in both Matthew 1:2-3 and Luke 3:33-34.

Or he's on a mobile phone and his IP changed automatically newfag.

I dunno, man, as someone whose ID has changed due to changing locations multiple times in this thread, I find it suspect that he has one ID for such a long time and then changes as soon as the guy filters him.

Ah okay, good points, thank you.


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Absolute monarchy is a product of the early modern period.

And hereditary monarchy itself is a degenerated form of governance from original and more virile forms. Of course Christcucks would not know anything of virility, since they are feminists and masochistic to the core.

Except that I did. I outlined the exact method of semantic subversion that Jews and Christcucks use to pervert words and invert meaning.

what do you think is the best form of government?

This is just sad. I will repeat my argument once more: You claimed that "humility" and "humiliation" have the same meaning. But I proved you wrong with the simple tautology that if two words represent the same concept then they cannot have conceptually different definitions, and yet the words "humility" and "humiliation" do. Therefore, by advocating that we return to the Latin approach of combining these distinct meanings into one and thus erase the conceptual distinction which self-evidently exists, you are actually advocating for newspeak to deliberately dumb down peoples' thought process so they can only think the politically acceptable thoughts that you want them to think.

Good luck with that.

You are no better with religions than you are with IPs

Religion of peace.

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does your ideal government allow speech that disagrees with your ideology?

Bump for answers to these questions

No, they don't. They are the same concept appraised from two different perspectives. Just like the word "queer." Romans saw humility as humiliation. They are identical from the non-christfag viewpoint. Only Christcucks give it a noble subtext from their lower subhuman viewpoint.

pravmir.com/west-should-learn-from-russia-to-accept-muslim-refugees-patriarch-kirill/

Oh, and here we have the TOTALLY BASED and not at all cucked Patriarch Kirill calling for an Islamic invasion of Europe while praising Jewtin for handing Moscow over to the caliphate.

And I can already foresee your response.

To which I would respond:

Kek

what is your ideal form of government?

Bump

Humiliation and humility have entirely different meanings though.

Their root meaning is similar, in that after a person strives to get above their station or grasp outside their means, they are then returned to where they belong.

But humiliation is about someone else doing this to you whereas humility is about you yourself seeing you lesser.

Learn shades of meaning bro, they could save your life.

You're grasping at straws.

Guardist reporting in

I always find it funny that the history of antisemitism is Christian. Yeah, that's right, all your memes and zog conspiracies have their roots in Christianity, in the words of saints and Christ Himself when he declared the 'synagogue of satan' would be felled. Prior to Hitler's arrival, no group had killed more Jews than Christian zealots.

Glory to God!

They don't allow polygamy.
They are not biblical

Romans were complaining about Jews before Christianity ever existed.

Incorrect. They are the same thing viewed from different points, as I already said.

"Shades of meaning" is codeword for "I'm a nominalist." I already predicted you would come out as a nominalist, and was proved correct.

They were a nuisance rebellious people, but there was no institutional antisemitism in Rome, nor will you find what can accurately be called antisemitic writings

what is your ideal form of government?

The Romans literately tried to exterminate the whole of the Jewish race. They almost succeeded

I could deal with the constant shilling but I hate how you fuckers constantly lie about history to fit a narrative you are as bad as leftists

Hadrian did nothing wrong

Orthodox christanity is the only thing that makes slavs do what Holla Forums thinks is based. It's all religious based. There's no reason for Holla Forums not to suck off orthodoxy when they suck off slavs.

if jesus is a "jew"
and I love jesus
how can I be anti-semitic?

the orthodox is probably the most corrupt religious institution in the world. Slavs do what they do because they are a second world shithole the catholic slavs are still crazy slavs.

Actually, Egyptians, Romans and Greeks already expressed antisemitic sentiments, usually they called them atheists, because Jews refused to respect the religious believes of other people.

[citation needed]

Being viewed from different points makes them different concepts you fucking idiot.

Do you think the murderer and the murdered are the same thing?

Shades of meaning is codeword for shades of meaning. Gas yourself retard.

You're right and wrong.

I'm Orthodox so I can tell you that we get brought up with a hate for jews. My brother's Greek Orthodox girlfriend brought up the holocaust on their first date saying "It didn't happen but it should have."

Aside from the nazi shit, we're pretty much a microcosm of Holla Forums. A lot of us are in burgerland and Greece are pozzed, but they don't actually show up to church so go figure.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, as a religion, we hate jews.

They burn our churches, hannakuh our people, and trick our idiot youths into taking out debt they can never pay back with anything but the land they own which they go and sell to kebab.

We despise them.

So, I very much want us to be the original Jew haters, you know?

But what user is saying about the Romans is right: they fucking hated their guts. We're taught a lot about the late empire because the eastern, Byzantine Empire's history is essentially our early history.

Back to the Romans when the empire was one: it didn't start out with them hating them.

They tried to improve them like the Romans were wont to do. Typical altruistic, yet naive, white man thinking:

"I will bring them running water, improved health, and increase their culture!"

But what the Romans failed to do was read history.

Hannakuh, that bullshit holiday the jews only recently started to celebrate because they were butthurt that their plans to mercantilize Christmas were too successful, is about repaying the Greeks for bringing them civilization by genociding every single one of them in Israel.

So the Romans come in, bring them white man's gifts, and the jews in charge, the likely ancestors of the turkroach jews of today, constantly tried to rebel and make life miserable for the romans.

Pontius Pilate, God have mercy on the poor guy, thought that giving into their demands that Christ the King be put to painful death would placate their horse shit.

NOPE, like with dindus in africa, the jews violently revolted again and again and again until the Romans got so sick of their shit that they tore down the temple (fulfilling prophecy so good job roman bros), salted the earth, and started the greatest jewish diaspora in history.

NOTE: Christians didn't revolt like whiny babies because we understood that the empire was great and the Romans literally did nothing wrong in bringing Israel real civilization.

So the jews that became Christian essentially bred self-selected for white man's qualities (staying/becoming white) while the jew roaches who ignored their religion's commandments and were maximum nose self selected for happy merchant.

That's the Orthodox perspective on 1st Rome's handling of the jew roach.

No it doesn't.

Again,

Well, Orthodox is literally run by former KGB, so you should not find it surprising that they are corrupt.

It's race dude. Religion plays little part in it. Slavs are just less terminally liberal because Slavs are less domesticated or over-civilized. Communism also helped to shelter them from the worst of American culture that infected Western Europe.

First:

[association fallacy]

Second:

Orthodoxy isn't run by any single person; we're not like Roman Catholic bros who have a pope and have to do everything he says.

One bishop has the same amount of power as any other, even leaving aside the national churches having different organizational structures.

For example, the ecumenical patriarch's (Bartholomew's) power is this: he can go give speeches (like any other bishop) and runs the administrative side of the church in occupied Constantinople.

Meanwhile, the Greek Patriarch constantly says the exact opposite of whatever it is the Ecumenical Patriarch says. If this was Roman Catholocism, not only would we be forced to repeat whatever nonsense commie papa pope said, but we'd have to go do his commands.

Luckily, Orthodoxy isn't built like the Vatican, it's built like the brain of an Octopus; if one branch does something crazy without repentance, excommunicate it.

what is your ideal form of government?

also, what religion are you?

cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
wdtprs.com/blog/2013/12/pope-francis-shocked-by-gay-adoption-urges-bishop-to-speak-against-it-boldly/
independent.co.uk/news/people/pope-francis-compares-arguments-for-transgender-rights-to-nuclear-arms-race-10061223.html
catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2013/06/03/pope-francis-is-under-attack-for-saying-that-outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation-its-a-poke-in-the-eye-says-one-presbyterian-why-hes-wrong/
huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/pope-francis-gender-theory-problem-not-solution
lifenews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-on-abortions-innocent-victims-its-wrong-to-look-the-other-way-or-remain-silent/
businessinsider.com/pope-francis-endorses-use-of-force-against-isis-in-iraq-2014-8
catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-off-the-cuff-to-priests-religious-indifference-makes-god-vomit-69700/
christianpost.com/buzzvine/7-times-pope-francis-was-misquoted-132679/
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/11729834/Pope-rebukes-Bolivias-President-Evo-Morales-for-gift-of-crucifix-mounted-on-hammer-and-sickle.html

that is not what the papacy is about:
youtube.com/watch?v=tcge7eppKo4

It is the magisterium that is infallible, not the Pope as a person

Do you think the murderer and the murdered are the same thing?

I don't think it's even just about the "point of view." I think most people would agree that there's a difference between murdering your wife with no provocation (for example) and killing someone in war. I hope our friend wouldn't consider this distinction to be "Christcuck mental gymnastics." If he takes issue with this distinction as well, I wonder how he manages to fantasize about the Day of the Rope when he'll get to kill all of us Christians.

Yet quite a few of these bishops support rapefugees and conquest of Europe by Islam. Kirill and Irinej for sure, and Theodoros more likely as well.

Those are two different thing, not the same seen from different points of view.

You cannot even tell the difference because your mind is so tainted by nominalism.

Again, lumen gentium. Read it. It is heretical. Your magesterium is pozzed.

sage

Hello newfag. Countersage

I didn't ask if murder was ok, I asked if the word murderer described meant the same thing as the murdered.

Because I know humility and humiliation are just as different, and he's just Jew dodging it.


The event is the comission of a murder, and it's seen from two points of view of the murdered and the murderer.

Just like the event is someone becoming humile, but described from the point of view of the person showing humility, or the point of view of someone else humiliating him.

You cannot even stop dodging the question because you're a Jewish shill who through this entire thread has been trying to equate Christianity to Judaism, just like your filthy race has done to Christianity in America, and are completely stymied when faced with a question you can't wriggle out of.

No, that is not the same thing.

But that's what I'm saying. It doesn't hinge on point of view, really. Murdering and being murdered are different perspectives on the same event– namely, murder. I'm proposing that the difference between humility and humiliation is more like the difference between killing in war and killing in cold blood. In the case of murdering versus murdered, the only difference is perspective. Contrariwise, the difference between murder and "war-killing" has many, many degrees of difference.

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The quality of humiliation is not an event.

And if ww wwrr talking about an event, then your analogy goes against what you were saying anyway. If a real man is humiliating a Christcuck (the event) and the real man sees it as degrading while the Christcuck likes it because he is literally a masochistic cuckold, the event is still the same.

"And if we were"

I am very disappointed with all of you, if you want the biblical case for gassing the kikes, St. John Chrysostom is your guy.

what religion are you? and what is your ideal form of government?

But that's wrong.

Humility is from point of view of the person becoming more humble.

Humiliation of from the point of view of someone trying to make someone else humble.


Is murder and murdered the same then?

Monotheism and national socialism.

The Patriarch of Constantinople can't really be taken seriously on the subject of Islam because he and his church are in Istanbul (formerly called Constantinople), the capital of Turkey… that means there's no way in hell he has the freedom to criticize Islam openly. I wouldn't be surprised if he only said those things about rapefugees due to political pressure on him to do so by the Turkish government. Daily reminder that Constantinople is occupied territory, and one day it will be ours again.

You're both missing the point somewhat. The words don't describe the same situations at all. I struggle to think of an example where someone is both humble and humiliated at the same time for precisely the same reason. But I can think of plenty of example where someone is humble but not humiliated (such as the life of a monk, Obi-Wan Kenobi, or Yoda), and plenty of examples where someone is humiliated but not humble (like pompous celebrities caught in embarrassing situations by the paparazzi, or arrogant internet trolls & shills who don't realize they've been proven wrong so they just keep arguing anyway).

what are the religious practices of your bland monotheism?

what are the dogmas, if any, of bland monotheism?

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