Telegram is fucked

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Tox > other libre P2P IM stuff > conventional client-server libre IM stuff like XMPP solutions > libre client + proprietary server bullshit like Telegram >>>>>>>>>>> Whatscrap and the likes

Prove me wrong

Telegram was always shit but needing a phone number for Signal is a non-starter.

this. that shit is probably also centralized only using signal servers and no way to change that. only true best technology is XMPP.

and while XMPP is not ready for the masses I'm not telling anybody to switch to a half-baked shitty alternative like Signal, which isn't a real alternative because it's shit. they can as well continue using WhatsApp idgaf

tox is p2p, which is great but wastes a shitton of bandwidth on mobile phones. don't get me wrong, I love p2p, but for messaging it's probably less useful.

No, go away.

It already took ages to convince my friends to join Telegram instead of SkypeNet™
I don't have the time nor patience to convince them to switch to yet another platform just cause some danish faggot decided that Telegram's encryption isn't good enough for him and other cheese pizza connoisseurs.

12MB for a program that has the entire Android API at its disposal and sends text back and forth over a network is inexcusable
>he says while still using xabber

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bumping because i just saw a telegram thread

How about neither? Signal requires you to put a telephone number to use it. Fukin privacy my ass.

So whats the alternative? And on F-droid preferably