Trump Just released a detail plan for Health Care Reform

You act like these people know what TPP is. They arr more interested in which talmudvision star is blowing another talmudvision star.

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This is pure socialism!

Trump has been saying this for like 6 months and that hasn't stopped Cruz from lying about it.

Cruz will continue to lie and say that Trump supports all kinds of things that he doesn't.

I only wish that he included anything about not allowing insurance companies to deny someone for a pre-existing condition, that's pretty much one of the only problems I care about and it would have gotten him fucking one million extra votes.

His "saving on drug imports" plan is something I can vouch he's been consistent on. I was at his NH rally (the one where the woman called Ted Cruz a pussy) and this was a subject he brought up, I don't have the exact time he brings it up, but I know it's in here.

He's said it so many times, I doubt he needs to put it on paper.

He's for that, I think he said it at the last debate too.

If Bernie released the same exact plan they would be praising it. It's that simple, they are preprogammed to respond to certain stimuli.

put it on paper so he is accountable for it, right now he's good, but he has to aim for that as a goal

Every time Cruz says that, Trump says he wants to repeal Obamacare, the man's just a broken record

and you know the GOP is going to call this "government intervention in the free market"

Nice fucking get. Anyway. The Cruz people have pushed hard this meme that Trump doesn't mean what he says, to grease the wheels for their own outright lies.

I wasn't aware that he's mentioned it but I haven't seen all of his speeches and rallies, and I also haven't watched the last debate in full (although he's said he won't let people die out on the streets, so it's pretty fucking implicit anyway). Moreover, people who would otherwise vote for him definitely haven't heard him mention it, so there's no way at all they would know about it.
Also, don't forget that people are fucking retarded enough to believe Cruz's lies about Trump's health care plans.

Lastly, this.

Okay I found it. 22 minutes, 40 seconds in. youtu.be/c-UyrR2I9l0?t=1360

Yuri died too soon.

I meant the individual mandate, Juze Cruz keeps saying he wants to repeal it and replace it with single payer state controlled garbage

Why should it be needlessly complicated?

Obviously hindsight being 20/20 when Rubio was pressing Trump on his healthcare plan and being seemingly incredulous it was so short Trump should have said that unlike Rubio he didn't want to have 1,000 page omnibus blls because they're just filled with kickbacks and graft

(((died)))

Because the common man shouldn't have to worry about understanding things that are simple. He should let the government do that for him while he just relaxes and watches some tv. :^)

youtube.com/watch?v=O-QWZklw5ak

number 1 good enough for me.

Weren't people shitting on Obamacare years ago for being an inches-thick document? Christ.

He's dead. We all know he was taken out but that doesn't change the fact that this based individual is feeding worms right now.

there wasn't a Trump rally today, correct?

I knew something felt off about today.

Which is funny because its fairly light on the "government intervention" and actually opens up proper free market competition while mitigating the potential adverse effects in turn. It applies as much 'socialism' as is needed to the benefit of the country.

I bet none of the other GOP candidates have proposed anything that is serious about breaking apart the chokehold the pharmaceutical corporations have over the market.

You're right, I was just letting you know

Everything looks good to me.

Now I just have to endure liberals bitching about him wanting to destroy Obamacare even though it's a completely broken system. Most of the people I know on Obamacare have elected to pay the fine instead of actually get healthcare because it's way cheaper

I pay the fine.

He sure did hide this.

I'm okay with this. If a state decides you can have you medicaid but it won't cover your sex change or some other stupid shit, I'm okay with that. If Commiefornians want their plan to cover them transition for genderfluid dolphinkin, I am also cool with that. States get to decide. That is what is important.

I mean, sure, it's government intervention and I'm not a fan, but it beats the shit out of what we have going on now.

Why is it always all or nothing?

Great plan! Simple and effective. Burn everything down and build it back up again!

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

That has never stopped Cruz.
Cruz is a filthy lying faggot. All he ever does is fucking lie.

The difference is its not federal government intervention. It would be allowing states to dictate how and what is intervened. I think its a very smart move and we need to smack libercuckians in the face with this until they see the golden light.

Basically everything we guessed/knew it was. Great to have confirmation on that front.

"Donald J. Trump is a liar and conman who was a democrat last year, he is a strong supporter of obamacare and planned parenthood/abortion. For the last 7 days we have been showing America the truth about Donald Trump, and America is waking up. A conman will never sit in the white house mark my words, Trump was beaten in Texas and will lose again in Florida, and we will take the white house back for conservative moderate values. Make America Good Again."

-Robotic Ratman Bush

Government is government. I'd prefer the individual decides, but I'll take what I can get.

I don't know if this had already been said, but:

Holy shit, he just made Ted Cruz look like a fucking tool. At first I thought it was Trump eventually giving in to El Rato but then I realized that everything Trump does is designed to uplift his supporters and allies and crush/embarrass his enemies. This is too fucking rich.

Yep he just waited in order to deal maximum damage it seems. Now that Cruz has gone full lies and is his main opponent. Trump blows him the fuck up so Cruz can never recover the narrative on that front ever again.

You are correct.

I fixed it for you.

Shiet this reads like something Carson helped make, I can't imagine Trump did it without him.
Sleepy Nigger confirmed.

I don't know why I make typos so often when I still recognize them as typos.

Nice get yourself, user.

Knowing El Rato though, he'll just deflect. Still, this is a lot of damage.

So long as the government is aiding in the care of people, it has to play some role in healthcare. It's better the states decide than how Obongo forced all the states to enjoy Niggercare.

Communist detected, the free market has gifted this system to us, who are we to use the government to overthrow it?

It's because those people are autistic policy wonks that don't understand that most of the time those positions are what the politician in question wants to do - whether it will get through Congress untouched is another matter.

They're usually the same idiots complaining that Trump has "no substance" in the debates because - instead of repeating rote-memorised soundbites like Macrosoft's Rubio.exe (Let's dispel this idea that Obama doesn't know what he's doing…) - he can actually talk off-the-cuff (and react accordingly)

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The big reason we can't just deploy libertarianism right now and break up all the big roads :^) is that there are already so many laws and under the table collusion that hurt the free market. It would be way to difficult to repeal all those laws, so its better to just go Trumps way where congress can vote for one "Trumpcare" law that essentially overpowers the previous laws and collusion in order to create something that is very, very, very similar to a true free market.

Literally what

I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying he hid it at the tail-end of a largely unrelated point.

Jews used whites to subvert whites, I don't see where the issue is.

The public sidewalk industry is far worse
I can't believe you're still using the "big road biz" strawman. Mises clearly shows that we're not a free market or society until sidewalk privatization is reached.

Daily reminder than Holla Forums is 85% libertarian.

Daily reminder that libertarians do not belong here.

Daily reminder, kill yourself lolberg kikes.

Well tbh Donald's approach is really meant to remove the big pharma controlled fed government that blocks out potential competition. You need to use government action to remove the remove the adverse effects that are being enacted by our shitty federal system.

The corrupt government gave you the system.
The government needs to be used to destroy itself.

Just pisses me the fuck off that I am FORCED to pay a tax because I don't have healthcare, plenty of more reasonable things to tax me on and they pick this so the healthcare industry makes a few extra worthless pieces of green paper.

Not a libertarian, but your outright lies and D&C shilling is despicable. Much of the Tea Party movement who calls itself libertarian went to Trump.

Your lies about Holla Forums are clear for anybody to go there right now and see. You are a kike, nothing more.

D&C fuckstick. We have bigger fish to fry than your ideological fetishes.

Libertarian here, fuck off D&C shill.

Holla Forums gets triggered as fuck when you start mentioning libertarianism or people like Rothbard or Hoppe.

This is the #1 thing that makes healthcare so fucking expensive, drug and medical supply corps have de facto monopolies through patent trolling and inflate prices by literally 20 times or more, and people think that subsidizing a monopoly/oligarchy with socialized medicine is going to fix our fucked up healthcare system, it isn't, if the government gave everyone $10,000 for a new Toyota, Toyota would just raise prices by $7500 or so, and the same applies to any industry where you suffocate competition on the supply side and create massive pork barrel subsidies on the demand side. It is going to be an uphill battle against big pharma to accomplish step 7 but if he actually gets rid of artificial barriers to market entry in healthcare Americans will pay a fraction of what they do currently and it will be the only effective healthcare reform in decades

Daily reminder shills will D&C

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This right here is the biggest priority in my opinion. The rest of it is great, but the #1 issue I have with Obamacare is that it tries to force people to buy. That's retarded as fuck.

I'll give you sane, but we're not always rational. We're probably at least "above average" on that though. Sometimes.

I knew this from his speeches, but I am more baffled by the thread reactions.

I am a nationalist libertarian so maybe that has something to do with it, but why is it that socialists are praising a plan that is based on a non-controled economy and that will be against libertarian goals for healthcare?

ummmmm, they are communists and similar, they are nothing close to libertarians…
communism and libertarianism are infact exact opposites.

It pisses me off too but I laugh at it because I know people who legit can't get food on the table because Obongocare is raping their wallet. I'll take the fine over starving.

More rational than the sheeple. That wins you my respect.

Holla Forums has varying views on things. We're not Holla Forums.

I know, but I am asking why national socialists are praising this and saying libertarians don't like it.

Because it'd at least be better than what we have right now.

Please post examples. This is just ridiculous. Do they want it to be complicated (Congress can hash out the details, and they would anyways with a now detailed plan) and do they want to pay exorbitant amounts for drugs that cost much less in Canada?

Check out the healthcare chapter of Crippled America

It's not retarded though. To say that it is retarded is to imply that this was policy was forged due to incompetence. That couldn't be further from the truth.

It was deliberately designed that way to purposefully line more money into the pockets of the pharma/medical industry. It is not incompetent, it is not retarded.

It is malicious, pure and simple. O'nigger and legislation knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote this. They only put on a mask to pretend that they didn't know what was going to happen.

Fucking scum.

Okay, but then why are you/they saying libertarians won't think the same?

I don't know about that.
That was my first post, in case you didn't notice.

Rubio….
is that you?

n-no?

I wish I could explain it other than saying the only reason I can think that some libertarians won like it is because "the Pauls didn't introduce or endorse it.".

Kikebook son. If you look at some of these responses, they break down like this:
I don't drink much anymore but the sheer stupidity of these people has me thirsty.

Look at your post and look at this phrase.
"We need to dispel this fiction right now that obama doesn't know what he is doing. He knows exactly what he is doing."

I think us libertarians will love it.

Yay, we can finally legally import $1 a pop generic Viagra from India!

Ted Cruz is such an ugly rat. Trump doesn't want a canadian-style health care system but Cruz keeps on lying about that.

Holy shit, this. This would just eliminate monopolies. Hell, I say this would eliminate another Martin Shrekli incident and you won't have companies buying drugs and jacking up prices for insane amounts of money.

I wish someone would point this out to the liberals. Then again, they won't listen cause of how stupid they are.

hey trump fan short green text story

"trump delegates 226, next closes is 69"
other stuff happened but needless to say she walked off when my supergnes and pol arguments over whelmed her liberal idealism

Some of you will. Others are bitter about Randlet still.

Thank you user-kun~

In all seriousness, I didn't intend to make it sound like that, but the content still is very much true.

Obamacare wasn't just passed as some afterthought with the pharma/medical industry just conveniently benefiting the most from it.

It was clearly designed with malicious intent in mind.

Only the cuck lefty libertarians are mad about Cuck Paul getting BTFO

That is true, but I have to keep reminding them,
"He is not his father."

This.

His father is a man of good character. Randlet on the other hand is the Bobby to Ron's Hank.

Its official im voting for trump. Haven't voted since 2000.

You finally understand…

That sounds like the fair and American way to do it…

pushed by Elizabeth Fowler, lobbyist for the insurance industry:

zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-07/meet-liz-fowler-architect-obamacare-jumps-ship-johnson-johnson

A few years later she landed a position at WellPoint as a vice president overseeing the giant insurer’s lobbying activities. Fowler then returned to Senate Finance in 2008 to work for Sen. Max Baucus, who chaired the committee, which was becoming Action Central for health reform. Fowler and Baucus pretty much wrote the bill that became Obamacare—and which, we should note, did not include a proposed “public option,” which was popular with ordinary people but not the insurance companies that lobbied hard to make sure it was out of the mix.

washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-improves-another-life-bills-architect-cashes-out-to-pharma-giant/article/2515260

I've realized that about Rand ever since he flew too close to the sun and challenged Trump. I already had doubts about him after he met with the Grand Chief of the Gibs Me Dat Tribe, Al Sharpton.

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So I just had a conversion with one of my family relatives on kikebook about Trump, it was picture comparing Hitler to Trump and it was to promote fear.
This person is a cousin of my mother, and I said to her "No offense but its very unintelligent to compare someone you disagree with to Hitler and that's the easy way out. I'm very disappointed in you."
She want on about the usual tripe that the media says "he's so sexist! Putin endorsed him! he filed for bankruptcy! and I want an apology for calling me unintelligent!"
She expected an apology, and I told her that's a funny double standard considered you implied I was a racist. She deleted my comment and then I deleted her from my friend list.

I know I was trying to control my power level, but it gives me an idea how shit normalfags opinions are about politics.

Health Savings Account.

That's part of the Swiss system and it works great over there. Put money into a pot when you're young and healthy and not likely to need costly medical services and use it when you're older and breaking down.

Fascism and national socialism aren't opposed to free markets, only when the markets goes against the national interest

Healthcare insurance right now is certainly in that category, anything is better than what we have now
Plus this is a pretty sharp slap to the entire medical industry who enjoys the current way of things

Sounds a bit like Carson's plan.

Sleepy Doc will be in charge of the Department of Health in the Trump presidency so it only makes sense.

Fun fact, sidewalks are private in Italy in the suburbs, everyone has their own sidewalk.

Kind of crazy every home you walk past, the sidewalk changes style, some people have really pretty sidewalks and some people have shitty broken up sidewalks.

The thing that most sucks, is that if there's a murder on the sidewalk in front of your house, they drag you into court because the murder was on your private property, even though it acts like it's public.

Yes they are.
A national socialist who believes in free markets, is 99% of the way to being a nationalist libertarian.

And fascism, at best can only be complacent to a free market. Asking the government or a bureaucracy for a permit to create a buissness is not a free market.

I understand them both, but to say they believe in domestic free market capitalism is just poppycock.

Yeah, and look how well that turned out for the natives.

Please god, this. Without government subsidies I cannot afford the pills I need to live and they're trying to make it illegal to import them from Canada under a lower price. If we could get them in at a lower price, there would be competition. It costs about $700 USD a month if I was to pay current American market prices.

He also proved the theory that gay people can sniff out their own because he said he knew Rubio takes dick since the first time he saw him.

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I'm pretty sure most people on Holla Forums are paleocons now.

In the name of Trump, Iron Ann and the Holy Buchanan, amen.

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Nah, large group are national socialist.

I think we're something new entirely. We're an enigma to the GOPe and they can't figure out what we are. Yet they send their shills here often. They might be trying to figure us out. Do we even know what the hell we are anymore?

*Nationalist Libertarians*

FUCK YOU Holla Forums, YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK!

This

We sound exactly like paleocons… except we aren't federalist… for the most part:

different political ideologies are better in certain circumstances ( some ideologies are never good, mind you ). For example, if the world was literally 100% white, no jews nor dysgenic breeding patterns, we would be quite libertarian though probably not ancap.

National Socialism was absolutely necessary in Germany at the time it gained popularity…would it be the best thing for America right now? The filth and treachery probably warrants it but good luck instituting it in a 55-60% white country. People have to understand that Nat Socialism is a wartime ideology and not necessarily the eternal ideal government for Europeans.

my main criticism with the plan is that he has previously stated that you can't be denied for a pre-existing condition. Now, if anyone even thinks rationally for a second about insurance and buying insurance for thing after thing already happened and expecting cash should realize its stupid. You don't buy fire insurance after your house catches on fire.
Why people get irrational about it is the fault of the healthcare industry inflating prices to incredible amounts because everybody has insurance. Health care costs would drop dramatically if insurance companies bargained better (but they don't do that because low priced doctors mean insurance isn't as important to buy and so the two industries circle jerk each other until the prices explode). I hope, for the sake of the American people, that increasing competition between insurance companies helps counteract this. If there was one thing I'd add to Trumps plan is that I'd reduce regulation on non doctor medical professionals. When you have gonorrhea (or something) you don't need a doctor, you need antibiotics, and pharmacists can sell that just fine and it would go a long way to reducing the frequency of doctor visits.

I feel I'm somewhere mixed between paleocon, natsoc, and fascist. Can't really tell where I stand tbh

I honestly dont see how they can be like that, one of the central points of NatSoc is its economic policies. Such economic policies if you described them to someone unfamiliar with NatSoc would be seen as Keynesian.

Keynesian economics has ruined the western world with its bullshit and if Germany had won WW2 it would probably had fallen into economic ruin a few decades later like the west did after adopting similar economic policies.

I have $25k, probably going to take it out and buy a whole lot of silver bullion soon considering its very undervalued compared to gold and both are undervalued because of the credit bubble.

something new
hive mind isn't far off

Don't spend all your savings on one investment, that's an absolutely terrible idea.

Suck my average sized, uncircumcised knob, you filthy fucking causals

It sounds pretty good I think.

I wasn't looking to spend all of it on silver (or even all of it on investments), but a lot of it will be 1oz silver coins.

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don't know why i green texted it.

One of the problems with the west's economic policies that Germany didn't have was debt-based currency. You see, when western governments want to stimulate the economy and create "growth", they have to borrow money from private banks at interest. It's this interest that results in the economic ruin and the accumulation of enslaving debt. In NatSoc Germany, the government had full control over the money supply and would inject it into the economy in the form of work projects or the likes. As the money was "labour based" instead of debt based, it did not carry the same strings that our current monetary system does.

Can I have your grandparents, user?

Well, I'm 22 and was raised by a destitute family (by unfortunate circumstances)
I owe 5000 dollars for student loans and have 1000 in the bank which I am slowly converting to metals for futures. Basically I'm gambling that my silver will explode in value and I'll pay debts cough greece and have extra left over. (amounts are in cuckistany loonies)

I saw a girl I knew at the caucus yesterday and asked her who she was voting for. She couldn't remember his name (It was El Rato). She thought I was crazy for voting Trump though.

I'm the same bud. Silver is my hope, got over 4000 in Silver and just hoping it goes up.

How fucking dumb do you think we are, Chaim? God damn.

kek'd at this

Don't I wish

Yep that is one of the good things, but I have always needed to ask
How does a labor based currency get established?
Is it like, "Everyone, this dollar is worth one hour of labor from anyone, if you refuse to do labor for the cost of $1 you will be taken to court."

the money wasn't labour based, it was on loan from the government. they loaned it to themselves at 0% interest. governments can do this as long as there isn't a private bank involved. America was originally set up this way, but the bankers eventually found a weak leader and got Wilson to sign the Federal Reserve Act

low effort troll/shill

It's not a "free market" when government already shat in the pool. It's been a toilet thanks to government for our lifetimes.

Ironic that a damn real estate mongol is the only one wanting to turn it back into a pool.

Im 22 also, and I owe nothing because I didn't need a student loan.
My father started a college fund for me like 6 years before I was born.
I love my dad.

It is nice how much the love me.
But to be fair it is frowned upon for me to just blow it on something, I have never spent more then 100 on it for something at once, so it all goes into a bank account.

Doesnt matter if its debt-based or labor-based, its all fiat.

Currency must be back by something of intrinsic value in order for things to not get out of hand. Gold, silver, platnum, etc.

I sure hope he bans drugs that are made in certain countries, such as china

I guess he could make a government-ran health insurance company, if you could even call it that, if all the other significantly large ones in america are part of a cartel, which would be evidenced by the prices not dropping

People on the left think of this as Trump trying to change the rules so that he can make more profit, but they overlook the fact that the best person to fix the system is someone who has lived and breathed the system his whole life. Trump knows the ins and outs of all this shit and he knows what changes need to be made to fix it.

The Trumps could probably start their own insurance company, undercut everyone and make mad bank. Would be good for some laughs (and healthcare).

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even better, actually

he could just put a tarriff on drugs made in china instead of banning them so they cost as much as U.S. drugs

Why not people? They have an intrinsic value.

Death keeps the inflation problem down at the most basic capitalist level. He does it free.

Yea they can't stand it. It's like watching an old building decay. They go, well it's been decaying for my entire lifetime. Let let it keep decaying.

But that confederate monument that was maintained and well kept by their descendants needs to change. Because it's the current year.

So basically his platform is "insurance companies are slimy, greedy rat fucks who should be castrated and you should be able to shop doctors by price".

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY BASED

WE LODGE PRACTICE AGAIN

Medicare and Medicaid will be bankrupt by 2025, and there is no stopping that from happening.

They’ll be bankrupt sooner if the global economy crashes (which they’ll do as soon as Trump’s in office).

I’m not as worried about gibsmedats anymore. The day of reckoning will come.

Are you implying that gold has intrinsic value but labor does not.

you are and you are a faggot

SPREAD THIS AROUND

Oven dodgers itt

are you implying you can proof pure labour?
are you implying you can set the price of labour by central planning?
which labour do you back it on?
why that one?
if you chpse that one can you pay a worker in that job less or more than the pre-approved price?
what happens when some technological breakthrough occurs and that particular job becomes radically easier and less time consuming and you get rampant inflation?

Gold is nice because as long as mining gold stays relatively difficult and making new gold with atomic collisions is cost inefficient you don't have any problems.

I'm open to it I just want an explanation.

Anger is the third stage.

AAAAAaaaaand, I'm already on board.

Sorry Mr. Rothschild but humans are in fact intrinsically valuable.

sorry Mr. Marx but not everybody has the same productivity.

"Obama-Cares…. about the profit margin of the health insurance companies who gave him all of that MONEY to buy airtime, to convince voters to vote for him."

I dunno about that, but I am at least. Buchanan and Paul have had an enormous impact on me, along with Trump.

Do the ol' bait and switch. Copy/Paste it as Bagel Boy's plan and when it gets a decent number of likes reveal that it's Trump's. This might only really work on FB though.

furthermore you aren't selling people, you're selling the shit they do. Gold can be objectively measured in purity but you can't objectively measure an entire profession and end up with a single answer. People are not the same, nor should they be.

Rato accuses Trump of shit he does it's disgusting anyone would vote for that piece of shit.

This actually sounds really, really good (if you're not part of the health insurance industry, that is).

Pretty fukkin neato tbh.

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what am I looking at?

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HOLD ME user, THE EMPEROR CROSSES ALL LINES WITHOUT A SHIT GIVEN.

THE HERO OF AMERICA, MAY HIS REIGN BE TRUE AND ETERNAL!

All these 12 year old faggots spergging over MUH MEME-WORDS, fail to understand that #1 was the bait for the uneducated masses.

THIS IS SHUT DOWN THE FED LEVEL RHETORIC
THIS IS BUILD THE TITANIC TO OFF 3 PEOPLE BIG
WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

What was he saying about the US military being marxistised?

Basic infiltration tactics.

Top down "Cleansing" approach.

Works the same in most all organizations infiltrated.

Political pressure being the most likely candidate here.

Note that by saying foreign he means European, not counterfeit pills in china…

In the US most of the European pharmaceuticals barely have a presence if any due to what is protectionism 101, a collusion between the US state and the US pharmaceutical companies (which in turn aren't getting much international sales because they simply can't handle the competition, nearly all the big pharma are European) through the FDA to drive the prices up.

Then you add the fact that the EU states did forces their industry to make generics for older products… and you get the result that you can have the same exact drugs are up to 70% cheaper in Europe to what they are in the US.

Which also help to understand how the most EU state can pay for healthcare, when the drugs cost less than 1/3 of what they cost in the US…

We can only hope. Carson is so chill, he'll make sure we have what we need.

bump

We are traditionalist radical centrists.

Not that anybody ever understands what that means.

WHERE

I hate both lolbergs and leftards but that's not the case.

This, but you can just shorten that down to nationalist. It's basically what it is and people will recognize it easier, even if they have a knee-jerk reaction to it. Also, it's better to shorten what you call yourself so it doesn't look like you're trying to come off as a special snowflake.

National socialism was never hostile to internal free enterprise, only against free trade policies which allow foreign and transnational interests to dominate the national economy, particularly vital sectors.

Also, I dont think an of us are fundamentalists towards NatSoc, we're more cafeteria rightists who pick and choose the worthwhile aspects of various right wing ideologies: NatSoc, fascism, paleoconservatism, reactioary traditionalism, each has worthwhile aspects that can be taken and worked into a uniquely Holla Forums syncretism.

This whole "Trump is a Nazi" thing is a meme. Nobody here ACTUALLY believes he's a national socialist, even though it's fun to make comics about it.

I've always liked the idea of an independent, government-monitored national health insurance provider, a semi-public option to compete against the private for-profit insurers.

Almost as bad as a national bank.

It not being profit motivated is a good thing in this case because the "costs" that private health insurance companies want to reduce amount to you and your treatments.

What? News to me.

t. Swiss

But all the other stuff is true: Mandatory, single-defined, multi-corps, nationwide or cantonal, as the corp wants or cans, catalogue transparent, generics optional,but strongly advised (in expensive cases mandatory).

That's not very Nationalist tbh. Free Market bullshit is something I don't want to hear regarding health care for our people.

I was on Obamacare.

Previous insurance (Indemnity plan)
ER copay $50
Deductible $2000
Monthly $476
Dental plan $35

Obamacare (BCBS)
ER copay $500
Deductible $5000
Monthly $550
Dental plan $55

You get fined yearly for not having obamacare, it starts at $300 or so and goes all the way up to $1500 yearly. Say bye bye to your refund.

Works for me.
Nothing fancy, just common-sense healthcare solutions for America.
Still some outliers that need addressing, but it covers the vast majority of situations.

I expect that this scheme will evolve over the next decade or so to accommodate some significant coming changes in medicine, but the framework will be much the same as laid out here.

You can say you had trouble finding a job or that there were no plans suited to you in the marketplace. I've dodged Obongocare and the tax hike twice now.

What is the blemish on his American flag pin?

No, it isn't. You don't know shit about it, friend.

First off, NatSoc economic system has proven to be the most stable and bulletproof at that time. Germany got from being a whorehouse of Europe to a world superpower in just a few years, economy was stable and growing despite almost all
Western world boycotting and sanctioning the exports of their goods and it survived a war against the whole Capitalist and Communist world for six years.

Not to mention that the whole point of this war was to destroy the NatSoc economic system which threatened to expand to other country and destroy the international banking power of the Jewish elite. If it would be a Keynesian economic system,
the allies wouldn't try to enforce the war so quickly now would they?

It's funny how the only people who attack National Socialism, attack one of its most objectively and historically proven successes that being its economical system.

It just proves that people like that know little to nothing about National Socialism as a whole and the history of WW2. I have never seen anyone here address any weakness of National Socialism or make a compelling argument against the Ideology.

This is the best health insurance plan I have seen

The NS economic policies cannot be properly evaluated historically. The Nazi's simply didn't last long enough for us to gather information on the long term consaquences of their policies and half the time they were in a war economy which greatly skews how industrially successful the policies would appear to be since we can't know if it was the war effort or the policies in and of themselves that promoted the growth in industry.

Taken with the fact that literally any economic system that didn't wantonly print off a billion marks at a time would have rescued germany's economy from the weimar disaster and any revolution that successfully restored political stability would have reassured people in their nations economic stability.

To say that the Nazi economic policy is a proven success isn't that cut and dry because you can't say whether it was the new economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry or simply getting rid of the old economic system that created the surge in wealth and industry.

World War 2 and the fall of the Reich prevent us from getting a good objective look at it's real world consaquences over a prolonged period of time.

sounds good, not even American

>5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

This right here.

Fun fact, I live in Italian suburb and you're full of shit.

So your whole argument lies in the statement that WW2 and economic system of Germany at that time is poorly documented? That is not the case, there's plenty of written knowledge about what was happening in the WW2 and in Germany at that time.

There was a steady economical growth since the NSDAP came to power. Economical plan and its implementation is very well documented and screams success. Nationalized bank and currency based on labour was stable and ever slowly growing, it is a simple
economic model and you don't need to be a genius to project its success. Because the middleman - a private banker was eliminated there is no debt and there is no side effect of inflation/deflation. Again, you didn't read the NSDAP economic programme, you didn't
explore documentation of it being used in practice.

Them being in war half the time shows just how successful and stable it was.

Oh I see, you believe in the nazi war machine myth? It wouldn't work, its economics 101 and it just proves how little you know about economy in general. You could say that this is what was happening in Soviet Union and look what happened to them.
If Germany would base its economy on military industry it wouldn't have lasted 2 years in a world war.

Wrong again. Germany was in economic prison, their industry was dead and they were hugely indebted, any economical system that would follow compatibility to international finance would fail quickly. That's why NSDAP offered the only solution and managed to get the support they have.

Haha, what? You can say with 100% certainty that it was the new economic system which replaced the old one that caused the surge. You really know how to sugar coat stupid statements I'll give you that. Of course the old economic system was to blame for Germany's downfall and of course the
system which replaced it, caused the surge. It's as cut and dry as it gets.

What world consequences? You can project the economy steadily rising, it's really simple, it was based on work and goods produced, the way the government regulated it was efficient and really clean.
Anyone who looks into it will laugh at how stupidly we're complicating things because of the fraud of usury in our economic system.

Your whole post consists of statements like this one: "We don't know because they lost and we can't tell if it was this or that etc."

=Why does he want to Make America Great Again?==

This is pretty great and honestly relatively clear enough for anyone.

There is no reason for anyone to hate this plan.

sounds good. this is what the real people in the Democratic party were fighting for (because it makes sense) but Obama care was not a health care bill, it was a payoff and banker bailout disguised as a healthcare bill.

gentle ben will be surgeon general my man.

9:35 - "Kiss goodbye freedom for homosexuals"

Remember, lots of the people vocally "fighting" the Communists are just a slightly different flavor of Communist, even if they don't realize it. Always listen until the end.

Can some libertarian explain to me why the free market will reduce healthcare costs?

I know competition improves quality but how does it decrease the pricetag?

The west hasn't used Keynesian economics for decades
We use a neoliberal/composite model that's an unholy amalgamation of everyone's prior theories

plus, all the lolberg economists are kikes

increased competition means that companies should lower their prices in order to gain an advantage over their competitors…in theory

Allowing premiums to be deducted from tax filings will save the middle and lower income folks thousands. That's fantastic and still allows the individual to participate in the health care market without giving up freedom of choice.

This isn't really libtard stuff, this is basic economics. The healthcare industry is full of monopolies and no one ever gets a fair plan because of it.

-hires goons to fuck up company b and intimidate employees
-plans hostile takeover of company b
-drives all employees away from company b by promising extra benefits
-enters a partnership with fledging company b because company a made a lot of money selling their expensive product, company b is merged into company a.

Nice broken state you have there.

Faceberg is the common theme.

It's kike propaganda pumped directly into the minds of unwitting goyim.

All of that would have to have greater incentives than the profit gained by undercutting the competition. L2Economics

That's illegal tho :^)
Not in our Jewish state though

No, because these things are sure gain and you don't know if you can streamline a process any more than it already is. Technology costs a lot, generally in millions to hundreds of millions. Streamlining costs a bit less, but it is also quite costly. You also don't know if it's physically possible to improve your technology and even if it is, you don't know if your scientists will have it by tomorrow or two decades from now.

Get Tyrone and niggers to crash the opposition for some free weed and piss beer afterwards and STILL sell your costly shit for the same price. In fact, why not do both. Fuck your opposition AND streamline the process only to still sell it at 100x markup or something. Kikebertarianism is broken beyond belief.

Yes, ideally these practices should be illegal. But kikebertarians have this strange idea that government is evil and shouldn't exist.

No they aren't. You could end up alienating your customer base by over aggressive business practices towards your competitors causing serious negative attention towards your company, or even boycott, until this is seen as corrected. Being an asshole doesn't always pay off.

Facebook, any bank ever Bank, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Elsevier (one with the journals), Any clothing giant using massive slave labor in Asia, Any supermarket selling non-local produce, any pharmaceutical industry giant, car industry giants beg to differ.

So you list off a bunch of industries literally protected by the current governmental system from being allowed to suffer, like the banks or the auto industry, for their shitty business practices and expect me to believe you know anything about free market principles? PS Apple got a lot of shit from customers for not properly protecting their data and privacy. They switched gears and are now in a fight with the FBI because of it. Apple of 4 years ago would have just unlocked the phone for them no questions asked.

Keynesianism does not work, if it did we'd just have the government hire everybody to dig holes with spoons and have a "great economy". (Kinda like china does with its pointless ghost cities) The end goal of our work force, is the creation of cheap goods and services for our people, not the creation of jobs. The government has every incentive to just get you on the dole, so they lean towards funding pointless jobs. Private companies, who have the profit incentive, should be the only ones investing in stuff, otherwise you risk the spoon scenario.

All you "natsoc" people are left-wing economically-illiterate socialists. And your proposed economic policies just subsidize failure and parasitism.

my fault for going to scam artist mechanics but shit, getting back up there, just gonna get my A+, get a higher paying job, and then keep my balance up

Very good explanation user, I see why Trumps plan is good now.

Apparently you live in a Scorsese movie.

Friendly reminder that the Founding Fathers fit everything they felt was important to found an entire nation onto a single side of a single page, and it only took them a week of deliberating to manage it.

We need to go back to the system where senators are people who hold jobs, and they just assemble once a year to hash shit out, Jury Duty style.

Those actually have a purpose, a huge portion of Chinese citizens are still rural and the government doesn't want the already established cities from being more overrun than they already are, so they set these up in advance to relocate the rural populations to

In other words, his handlers released a plan.

Notice he can never coherently explain the arguments on his web site or his books. That's because he DID NOT write them.

This is worse than Cheney's puppet, Dubya.

nah fuck that, libertarians are nihilists

There's nothing nihilistic about understanding how efficient the free market is. If we want the most effective industries in the world, we need to choose the free market system.

You shouldn't get caught up on all the autistic libertarians who apply the philosophy so deeply to their personal lives. Libertarians don't have to be that way. Would you be happy if we called it free-market-nationalism?

Free-market patriotism
Normies will gobble it up.

too many people get caught up with the label of being a libertarian, not sure why that is, might be an effect of "special snowflakeism" in our culture, or the idea that you have to be libertarian to oppose the government
For example, this whole "national libertarian" is really just paleoconservatism when you get down to brass tacks.

American Nationalism

As a non-American, I'm not entirely clear on what the current state of your healthcare is, so I obviously won't fully understand how Trump's plan will affect it.

Under Trump's plan, if someone who cannot afford insurance gets severely ill or injured and does not have enough income to cover the cost of treatment, where does the money come from to pay for it?

No, the reason why libertarianism right now is because of the sheer amount of shitskins and third-world immigration. Libertarianism is viable in all white/all east-Asian countries, but that's about it.

*cant work right now

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plan looks good to me. not sure why everyone isn't voting trump.

i live like an hour away from UCF campus where Mr. Trump was holding a rally this morning. I found out too late about it though.

My gf told me that there was an event on facebook to 'protest' his rally. fucking college kids… whenever i walk through the union at UCF i get the urge to flip the tables of all the SJW's Jews, etc looking for support.

I went to the rally. He really is high energy holy fuck. There were a lot of protesters in the audience that kept interrupting him which irritated me to no end, thank god they were taken care of.

Bump. He's got the best plan for health care.

bumping again

This mother fucker gets it in one fucking sentence. I am glad i am voting for him.

Big Pharma monopoly on suicide watch

My brothers been doing hsa. Every year he has to pay hilariouse tax rates for his hsa but his company won't do regular health insurance; this year it was 5k. He could basically comfortably live the next decade in a hospital bead though.

Can I get a tldr on what he's going to do and why he's doing it

medicaid/medicare

There is no such thing as a nationalist libertarian. Nationalism is the anti thesis of free market capitalism.

And as for natsocs and the free market, Hitler didn't ban private ownership. He restricted the market till it served Germany's interests.

That's what Trump is doing here. He's manipulating the market to serve the USA's interests. Same concept.

You're thinking of anarchocapitalists, not libertarians.

Well that's why there's the tax free part right?

Yeah, except gold is fucking deflationary, for an expanding economy you need new money to keep the money/value ratio the same, and gold is far more useful when it's being used for things other than sitting in a bank.

Did you coin this? Because I think it's good.

It did well in its ten-year trial period, but ten years isn't very long.

You know they aren't anarchists, right?

Deep down, people don't really care about foreigners, friendo. If them, their family, and their friends are the ones getting fucked you can bet your ass they'll be boycotted real quick.

Fucking this. The Confederates should have won.

mfw the good guys will finally win, for the first time in hundreds of years

Please stop whining about libertarian-minded nationalists, that's what the majority of white americans are. The capital L libertarians anal Anarcho-Capitalists are a small minority.

Talk about Trump's plan with those who don't like Obamacare.

libertarians embrace drugs, faggots, trannies, and all matter of degeneracy. this is not the majority of white americans unless you include kikes as white btw kill yourself schlomo

Learn how to read idiot, I said libertarian-minded nationalists, not capital L libertardians.

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Why, motherfucker? Not that it isn’t important, but you added nothing. Trump really needs to get on his other positions, too. There’s a lot more I want to hear.

Why so angry?! There's a lot of crappy threads and I'm keeping a good one alive. Fuck off.

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This. Enough with the nationalist libertarian meme. What we need to do is take over the Republican Party.

"Nationalist Libertarian" will never catch on. The best thing we can do is hone the label of Paleoconservative Republican.

Daily reminder that there would've been literally nothing wrong with federalism if the Rothschilds didn't kike it up with Hamilton.

National socialist* ftfy, but we aren't even that.

If you're an American, get on the paleocon train so we can alter the Republican party.

If libertarians are against tariffs and for free trade, then no Holla Forumsack should ever associate themselves with this label. What I like about Republicans is that they have the potential to hit the good points that Libertarians talk about, while still involving the government in important affairs.

I'm at work right now but some Holla Forumslack should type these up onto a Bernie letter head and have it start making its way around social media. It won't be long before the normies pick it up and run with it without checking the source.

Imagine the salt when they get the big reveal that it was a Trump policy the entire time.

Just in case it would have been gone tomorrow morning. Everyone who doesn't like Obamacare needs to hear about Trump's plan.

yfw golden dawn's logo is an inverted shekel symbol

Honestly…it's meh as fuck but better than what the yankee doodles have right now.

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There's a theory floating around that he's still alive.

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Hahaha. Are you trying to discredit Yuri? On Holla Forums? Jesus Christ. He knows how to address an audience, and appeal to their interests. Only an autist wouldn't see that.

Martin Shkreli did nothing wrong.

Filtered.

We Are the Party of KEK

POK

The POK Party

people generally go for the lower price one if the plan is not too much different

so everyone ends up adjusting their price down to compete, or adds features to their plan to keep it the same price as before to compete against the lower priced one

either way you win

Taking one step at a time, user.

Free trade is OK, its a case of they tell us its "Free Trade" but its actually laws written to benefit a few companies and a Giant vacuum sucking money and jobs out of America.

Sauce?

"We should imprison people because things other people do with their own body fucking trigger me you fucking degenerates"

Just because you feel the need to suck a dick every time you see some faggot walking down the street doesn't mean you have to imprison them, try flirting with one you closeted fucking fairy.
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they just don't like Trump

simple as that

Marxist subverter, pls. At least try to be subtle, it's no fun like this.

bumping a good thread

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It's a good starting point to talk about Trump's policies. It's not just immigration.

before it disappears

Doesn't address the original problem, I'm afraid.
While I love what is being suggested here, the original problem was one of pre-existing conditions.
Before Obamacare you could be denied insurance or simply priced out of the market if you had a pre-existing condition.
How does this plan deal with that? Or does it simply ignore those who have these conditions, expecting them to die & get out of the way?

Don't have a knee-jerk hate reaction to my question, I love Trump, I'm voting for him in the primaries and the general election, but I don't see him addressing this in his plan.

Did I just miss something?

For the same reason a free market when it comes to labor has reduced U.S. wages and destroyed families & jobs.
Don't you want to see us do that to the insurance companies?

In theory, it creates competition so prices get driven down while quality gets driven up.

In reality deals are made between companies so that they all profit from supplying basically the same thing for a small variation in price or quality of goods

This is a pretty good idea actually..

This is a pretty good idea actually..

go fuck yourself fire tire

If your costs are being covered by insurance / the government then you don't care how much the hospital charges. So hospitals jack up prices, charge $100 for an aspirin, and use the money to pay the salaries of over 9000 administrators.

surgerycenterok.com/

When costs are transparent and only include the actual costs of performing surgery medical care isn't actually all that expensive. It's the fact that insurance and government subsidies allow hospitals to charge ridiculous amounts that results in hospitals charging ridiculous amounts.

REDTEXT (((NEWFAG)))

Bumping for great, actual health care reform.

Don't forget

keeping another good thread alive

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Article seven is brilliant, but might get him shot.

7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

This is going to be a big battle in Congress and the good thing about it is you're going to see all those who are getting greased by the pharmaceutical industry and those who aren't.

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Kill yourself before we do.

Mostly because it relies on human greed to work for the betterment of all.

The hope is that people will attempt to undercut each other so much that the customer only spends the cost of the material, labor, research, and whatever profit the producer is comfortable with.

Usually works, until the producers collaborate and essentially form guilds, keeping price locks.

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worth another bump. it's a good selling point

That's why you can't really have "free markets" unless you have trust busting. Libertarians sort of just ignore that part and say that monopolies never happen, and that only state regulation causes them. We can see in black markets that this isn't the case. They more often than not become cartelized or monopolized, even though they are outside of state control.

I was worried he wouldn't be able to do it, but that all sounds amazing.

Forgive my insolence for not having faith in the Emperor.

When did this happen?

You have autism.

Sorry to break the news to you.

No we are not skater faggots.
In a Trump youth organization we would dress like grown men.

Fuck you, faggot. Trump is going to bring back the 80s, and we are all gonna get 80s big.

It's not malicious, but, the idea of "risk pooling" (ie. forcing everyone into the system so that the healthy young subsidize the old/sick) is well known. It's not that conspiratorial nor that subtle - the system would just be a more expensive, less useful Medicare/Medicaid if the young people left and it was just left with all of the old people. Which, by the way, is exactly what should happen - the idea that I have to subsidize the poor living choices of someone when that person has 0 compulsion to live correctly or for the better ment of society is coercion at best.

Kill yourself, paid pharma industry shill.

Black markets don't even exist in the absence of state regulation, so they're not really the best example.

You are confusing the issue. The market exists because of state regulation in other markets, sure, but the black market itself is not regulated at all. It is actually a perfect example.

The very core of the concept of insurance.

What is Hillary's health care plan? Has she proposed something besides keeping Obamacare in place?

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fuck off jew

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They only become cartelized or monopolized through violence, as is evident from the constant gang warfare to gain market share in black markets for drugs, weapons, hookers, etc. Escobar and Capone had defacto monopolies through violence. If private property is protected and NAP is followed gaining market share through violence is no longer possible, it can only happen through competition, which is a never ending and dynamic process which ensures at most any one firm can have a majority control of a market in the short term, usually through invention and innovation (Ford dominated the auto industry for a short while because he invented the automobile and was first in the market)
Libertarian is not the same thing as ancap, most libertarians just propose government have no intervention in the economy except to protect property rights, handle tort litigation and criminal justice, and provide a reliable measure of national defense. Black markets are caused by state prohibitions in the first place, they push all competition from law abiding citizens out of the market and replace the producers with rapacious niggers and gangsters, and handing market share to those most adept at evading or paying off cops and killing the competition instead of those who can produce most efficiently and competitively. Natural monopoly is a myth.

I don't think it has quite entered this phase yet, but the plan with Obamacare is that everybody hates it so much, a dem is elected again, and they go for single payer to replace it.

Good. Now wait until single payer comes.

This fixes that problem. There is nothing inherent about healthcare supplies and services that makes it so goddammed expensive, it is due to patent trolling pharma companies that inflate drug prices by 20x or more, and AMA cartelizing the practice of medicine to artificially restrict the number of doctors, driving down costs makes insuring against any condition, pre-existing or otherwise a smaller liability for insurance companies, letting insurance companies compete freely between states will also help reduce costs, it is fair to estimate that when treatment of a prexisting condition costs literally 5 percent or less of what it does now because of demonopolization of drugs and medical supplies it is no longer impossible to insure while remaining solvent.

from her official website:

hillaryclinton.com/issues/health-care/

Defend the Affordable Care Act. Hillary will continue to defend the Affordable Care Act (ACA) against Republican efforts to repeal it. She'll build on it to expand affordable coverage, slow the growth of overall health care costs (including prescription drugs), and make it possible for providers to deliver the very best care to patients.

Expand access to affordable health care to families regardless of immigration status. Hillary sponsored the Immigrant Children’s Health Improvement Act in the Senate, which later became law and allows immigrant children and pregnant women to obtain Medicaid and CHIP. She believes we should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to do so.

Wat/

Poll: Most Americans disapprove of ObamaCare

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/277865-more-americans-disapprove-than-approve-of-health-care-law

More Americans disapprove than approve of the Affordable Care Act, according to a new Pew Research Center national survey. The poll found that 44 percent of respondents approve of the health care law, and 54 percent disapprove.

So are the liberals really going to fight AGAINST expansion of Medicare and Medicaid?

"If I can understand it then it's not "smart" enough!"

I distinctly remember Trump saying that he liked the Obamacare mandate (everyone has to have insurance or get taxed)… interesting that he specifically states that nobody should be forced in his plan.

health insurance only really helps you for medications and chronic diseases

i always love the childish shit. these are relatively loos ideological groups, not fucking religions

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Holy fuck, this guy is God.

I didn't really believe the Trump hype at first, but his health reforms seem really honest, sincere and reasonable.

This guy really means well, as lame as it sounds he seems to really care about people.

you got bump trump.

you got it bump trump

This makes me cringe

page 22. time for a bump.

page 24.

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It's Vivaldi's Spring "remixed" by Max Richter.

It's actually called Spring 1 apparently. Can't embed the link for some reason, but youtu.be/8oYWfJuMGMA?t=42s.

Had a conversation with a bernout friend of mine.

Of course I said that was completely false. But the amount of delusion is just incomprehensible.

"All lives matter" = "Black lives don't matter" ? Whoa

I didn't even file this last time because of the fine. Still haven't figured out what that will mean but the fine just pisses me off too much. I did pay taxes, they were withheld like normal and without the fine I would have normally gotten a small refund.

It's just so much bullshit

I have health insurance this year but it's shit honestly

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That alone justifies putting Trump in the White House.

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New Keynesian macroecon is still Keynesian econ.

That explains why you don't know shit.

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If you know someone who doesn't like Obamacare then tell them about Trump's health care plan.

Trump Supporters Decimated By Obamacare

youtube.com/watch?v=xw4c_OGaXFM

That would be nice. It's like reading fucking tea leaves now.

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based pat was Holla Forums before it existed, he knows the holohoax was fake

page 24. page 26 = death.

Bump.

Talk to people about his health care plan. Obamacare is unpopular.

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this has been up for months. I could swear I've already read this.

when i had my stroke $27,000. they didnt do anything but just keep me in the hospital two days and run every expensive test

i paid $4k because thank God i have state health plan but if something happens to you part timer kids youre fucked right now!

can anybody give me the argument against letting us buy insurance from any state? i know they always trot out "every corpo has a bopox in delaware that's their hq" but that's about as muc hof an argument as this not having enough pro tranny shit in it

just curious i've been looking into it

Yes this thread is old as shit

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