PAID DLC?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME...

>>520841163Are there and substantial differences between the two, or is it just a model swap and different dialogue?

>>520841163So is the Amala labyrinth dlc too?

>>520841359Raidou has pierce but the remaster gives it to Dante.

>>520841359Dante takes 0 damage from jumping off the mantra building. His cutscenes are also a lot more badass. Moveset-wise they're pretty similar, though Raidou used to have an edge because he could learn a skill that gave him Pierce. Dante now also gets pierce as part of Son's Oath. That + Rebellion making him a crit machine means he's a beast even against Lucifer.

>>520841359largely model and dialog swap, but raidou got pierce and dante didntthat really only matters for the lucifer fight, which is on ONE ending, but people are going to bitchfit so whateverdante gets pierce here too so eh

>>520841432No, it was in chronicle too

>>520841570> which is on ONE endingYou mean the only ending that fucking matters

What are we talking about here?

>>520843054Dante is paid DLC in the SMT: Nocturne remake

>>520842936you retards act like true demon end is literally the only ending in the gameit's not, faggot

>>520843054The SMT: Nocturne remaster won't have Dante in it initially similarly to the original japanese release

>>520843241It's the best one and has the most contentI honestly like the other endings, at least conceptually. But they're all really rushed and kinda bad

>ten fucking dollars just to unlock dante

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>>520843343>It's the best onesubjective>and has the most contentso you get to fight lucifer afterbig fuckin dealfreedom is the best ending by far, and it's still the standard ass ending of 'kill kagutsuchi and remake the world' that all the other endings other than demon have

>tfw you've lived long enough for this to no longer be true.Literal fucking clown world.

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>>520840928>of the original gamedumb secondary

>>520843517You also get to go through all the fucking kalpas and fight all those extra bosses

>>520843528Yeah, I didn't play the original fucking japanese release. Woe is me

So will Raidou not be in this at all?

>>520843662Raidou is in the base game, you can switch him with Dante if you shell out ten bucks

>>520843662Raidou is in the base remaster.

>>520843525Somebody should edit this to say "No Longer Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series".

I can't believe snoys are defending this decision. Get the fuck off my board you tourists.

>>520843543you're not locked out of the kalpas if you don't do TDE.

>>520843805?????? No it should be for $9.99

>>520843969Whats the point of doing the kalpas if you aren't going for TDE? Why would anyone not want to go for TDE?

>Literally any other company remasters a game>Includes the base game and all extra content at no extra cost>FAGLUS remasters a game>That'll be $9.99 plus tip

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>>520844051>Why would anyone not want to go for TDE?In case they want to actually revive their friends instead of act like an edgy wannabe demon?Like it's been said before, TDE is NOT the only ending in the game.

>>520844124Most other companies will include something extra in their remasters too. Even if it is the bare fucking minimum of "new content"Atlus literally removes old content and charges you for it

>>520844051I prefer TDE myself, but the only new content you get that way is the Lucifer fight and Pierce. Saying that Kalpas are locked behind TDE is not true.

>>520841162>>520841163It's reselling old content, there's no excuse.>>520844124Didn't Activision double-dip for the DLC for one of the CoD remasters?Not defending Atlus, if anything it makes them look worse to be compared to fucking Activision.

>>520844240this is a remaster of the chronicle edition, nothing from that has been removedthe maniax content is dlc when it wasn't before and you just had to buy the game if you wanted to play as dantehe even gets pierce to keep up with tde faggots so everyone can shut the fuck up

>>520844270I know they aren't literally locked behind TDE, but they directly contribute to it. Aren't you doing Lucifer's bidding by going and hunting down fiends and then exploring the labyrinth? Don't you fight Metatron because he's trying to stop you and Lucifer?

>>520844365Why are you defending shitty business practices? There is no excuse for locking something that was in the original western release behind a paywall. A TEN DOLLAR paywall just to get Dante. Hell, it was originally a fucking selling point for the game and it was on the GOD DAMN BOX

>>520844375You could just do it to grow your own power. Beating the Fiends and Metatron doesn't help Lucifer much - it just proves you're as strong as he needs you to be. But you don't need to go along with his plans either. It's just another means of increasing the power of the Demifiend.

>>520844486GUESS WHAT, RETARDTHIS IS THE GAME THAT IS BEING REMASTEREDNOT MANIAXCHRONICLEDANTE WAS NOT IN THIS VERSION OF THE GAME AND YOU HAD NO WAY OF CHOOSING HIMNOW YOU DO

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>>520844764>NOW YOU DOThat'll be $10 sir don't forget the tip.

>>520844953>tipping for an online ordergood job, retardthe alternative would be to pick up a copy of maniax entirely JUST for dantehow's that $40-$60 price point treating you?for ONE party member?

>>520844321>It's reselling old content, there's no excuse.So is the rest of the remaster, your point?

>>520844365They are separating old content so they can nickel and dime you. Practically every remaster ever made bundles all of a game's content together, only particularly jewish companies like Atlus think it's okay to double dip and charge an extra fee for content that required no extra work.You are engaging in mental gymnastics to defend your Brand™.>>520844764Shut the fuck up drone.Why in the hell do you think it's okay for Atlus to charge $10 for an NPC swap, in a remaster? Why not have them both out of the box? There's no justification except greed. They think they can get away with it because they've already had insane levels of DLC for IV, IV:A, Persona 5, etc. They're devaluing the whole purpose of a remaster, especially given how lacking it is on features. Might as well just emulate.

So how are they gonna accomplish having both in the story? Is the Dante stuff just going to take place in a DLC dimension cut off from the real story? Imagine fighting both at once

>nooooooo I'm compelled to buy it how could this be happening!!!!

>>520845615You choose which will appear when you start a new game

>>520845715>Paying for a PS2 emulator

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>>520840928>HE WAS LITERALLY A SELLING FEATURE ON THE GOD DAMN BOX OF THE ORIGINAL GAMEDante is so non-important that they put the blurb about him on the back of the box and in a corner. In fact, he mattered so little in Nocturne that he was easily replaced by a completely different character. Either you're complaining about a game you've never played or you're a Europoor who got the shitty box art with the "Featuring Dante" meme stamp on the front.

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>>520845820*a switch emulatorwhich DOESN'T have this problem, by the way

>>520840928Blame JEWcom for wanting royalties.

>>520845397>Might as well just emulateThen do it faggot. Dante was never meant to be included in the first place.

It's very likely that Atlus West will make it free. They know what American and European fans expect from Nocturne Remastered. They've done similar DLC-mitigation before for Etrian Odyssey. We never get jewed as hard as the Japanese fans do.

>>520845182That IS the point, dingus. They're already charging for the remaster. You are paying Atlus for some small visual improvements and the ability to play the game on modern platforms. That is the value you're getting from their labor. What extra labor are they putting in for Dante that justifies the extra $10 charge? None. The content is no different from the rest of the game. They are deliberately treating it differently, because they think they can get away with charging for it. They're not charging extra for the kalpas, or the fiends, TDE, etc.>>520845715Very sad to see the SMT fanbase reduced to droning for Atlus's transparent greed. Then again you're probably new.

Y'all DMC niggas were begging capcom to sell you back Vergil for $20 for the third game in a row without any changes, yet $10 is too much? BAKA

>>520840928>Dante>original gameWhy are all SMT threads filled with secondaries like this?

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Just buy the Bundle version on sale for $20 in a few months after release.

>>520844321>It's reselling old content, there's no excuse.That's what a remaster is dumbass

>>520846049Nocturne is a much worse game without the maniax content, the vanilla version got a mixed reception. Maniax saved the game.

>>520846087Not droning, just mocking. Clearly nobody has ever played Nocturne.

>>520845397BLAME CAPCOM YOU STUPID RETARD, IT'S THEIR ROYALTIES YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR

>>520840928“This won’t do, give me 60 Macca!”

>>520841163>ackshually everyone knows this you fucking retard, it doesn't excuse selling content that was already in the game as DLC

>Be me in 2014>Never played an SMT game so start with nocturne at Holla Forumss behest>Rent a copy vbia gamefly, start playing>Pretty good i guess>Get to forneus>Some asshole in a red coat shows up and starts shooting him>Think to myself, who the fuck is this dante looking asshole?>I'm dante>wait What?>Only then realize the "featuring dante" meme was for this game all this time

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>DRONE>DRONE!!!!>THEY'RE L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y RESELLING OLD CONTENT YOU DRONE>FEATURE DLC FROM DANTE'S INFERNO!>WHODOU?>FUCK ATLUS, FUCK REMASTERS, I'M POOR

>>520845397Remasters have always been pointless when remakes became a thing. "Oh boy now I have the PRIVILEGE to run this 15 year old game in 1080p to see all the flat textures and shitty animations in 60fps" Only corporate cucks buy remasters (the epitome of laziness) instead of making companies actually work for their money.

>>520845890I'm american and my box had the (frankly based) Dante sticker on it

>>520840928But he's playable now

>>520846316but the game being remastered isn't maniax, it's chronicledante wasn't in chronicleyou are asking for content that was not in the game that is being remastered

You get the exact same experience, there is nothing cut from the game, that DLC is to exchange Raidou for Dante, and it makes sense that you have to pay for it because DANTE IS NOT AN ATLUS CHARACTER.Fucking hell you people don't know anything

>>520846167oh my fucking god you retard. If you had two brain cells to rub together you could have maybe figured out I meant the original western release, which is the version literally all of us played.

>Selling DLC>For an HD remasterWhy? Even the Tales series that usually jew you out on DLC costumes included all the costumes for free in Vesperia remaster. I thought repackages of old games ere supposed to be '""definitive""

>>520846385What you are talking about is a port, not a remaster.

>>520846470Uh, except for maybe the fact that he was part of the ps2 version that we all already played

>>520846486great, so you get new content for free and you're complaining you have to buy content you've already played?and who are the drones?

>>520846329Fucking kek, thanks for the story user.

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>>520846385> Only corporate cucks buy remastersEver think Maybe some of us want one disc over three?

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>>520846517Making licencing with Capcom easier, maybe?

>>520846470I still find it funny that the only crossover for DMC and Bayonetta is the SMT mobile game.

>>520846486JUST FUCKING PIRATE YOU RETARDED FAGGOT

>>520846572Because in that PS2 version Atlus was doing some stuff with capcom, they added Dante to the game and Kaneko, the artist made the Devil Trigger designs for DMC 3.What do you think is going to happen now, in 2020 if you want to use that same character that belongs to Capcom? use your fucking brain.

My favorite part about all of this is that people were fine with not having Dante at all.

>>520846572>we

>>520846737Kaneko did a damn good job.

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>>520846793The internet, especially this shithole, finds anything to complain about.And no matter what side you're on you're wrong. Always.There's no right answer or end with these people. The point is to bitch and moan just because.

>>520845142>17 year old gamePerfectly justified in pirating that shit at that point. The point of a remaster is to incentivize customers to spend money on old games rather than pirate.>>520846659You act like renewing a license is some fucking exorbitant expense. Should Square Enix have charged $10 for the fucking Tarzan world in KH1.5 HD because they had to renegotiate the license from the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate?

>>520846175see >>520846087You're confusing the initial game development labor Atlus initially put into Nocturne with the labor Atlus is putting into the remaster. They hope you can't tell the difference, and are double dipping. Dante is not a new addition to the game, he is no different from the rest of the content. Other remasters understand this and bundle all the content together without trying to nickle and dime you. And when remasters do have DLC it's brand-new content.>>520846186>anyone who criticizes my precious brand must not be a fan!>>520846219Baseless speculation meant to damage control for Atlus.Shameless DLC is not new for Atlus.>>520846385With remasters you pay for convenience, which Atlus fucked up.

>>520846959>anyone who criticizes my precious brand must not be a fan!

>>520840928>HE WAS LITERALLY A SELLING FEATURE ON THE GOD DAMN BOX OF THE ORIGINAL GAMETechnically Atlus had nothing to do with that, Ghostlight did that on their own.

>>520846959>Baseless speculationYeah I'm sure they just hit Capcom up and they said "sure dude use it for free we don't give a shit"You're the dumbest fucker alive, I wouldn't trust you running a bath.

is there a scummier dev/publisher in current year than fatlus"being stuck in the PS2 days" was supposed to be a compliment for their game design not how they sell stuff

>>520847071There's nothing stopping Atlus from paying the licensing costs themselves and not shifting the costs onto the consumer.

>>520846436And is that so outlandish? It's as if the DMC HD collection included vanilla DMC3 and you had to purchase the costumes and Vergil mode to get the Special Edition

feels good to not be retarded

>>520847237You have to be fucking kidding me, you can't be this dense.

>>520847237Atlus is a company, not your friend.

>>520847237In most license renewals, they pay an upfront fee and maybe a little percetage of overall profits. The DLC move probably nets both companies more money, and Atlus was perfectly fine with t=it because they knew their reputation wouldn't be tarnished and people would still buy it because Dante is a popular character and a hot selling point for this game most normies never played. Capcom knows if they publicly did this shit they would face massive backlash like SFxT on disc DLC.

I was always under the impression that Rad guy was in the original nip version of the game as just an enemy, and Dante replaced him while also being recruitable. Seems im wrong but isnt it kind of weird to recruit a full human? Arent your party members SUPPOSED to be demons?

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>>520847470Enlighten me.>>520847545A company with a history of shit DLC practices.

>>520847705Dante is half demon bro

>>520847745>A company with a history of shit DLC practices.Then go find another dead horse to beat. Why keep coming back to this one?

>>520847768Still half DEMON. Which i always thought was the only reason they could justify recruitable Dante.

>>520846385>60fps

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>>5208477051. Raidou replaced Dante in the third version of Nocturne. The original has nobody, and no Labyrinth of Amala.2. Megami Tensei traditionally had at least one second human party member, the Heroine, who would join your party. This is the case in basically every game before Nocturne.

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>>520847005Oh, did you fuck up your NO U greentext? Wanna try again?>>520847071You legitimately have no evidence for what you're saying. You are, again, engaging in damage control, because you're a brand warrior.There's plenty of ways Atlus could have handled the licensing costs without charging a $10 fee. Either you don't know or you don't remember that the original deal was a collaboration, Dante appeared in Nocturne and Kaneko made the devil trigger designs for DMC3. We don't even know the nature of the contract beyond that. Was Capcom getting a cut of every digital sale on PS3? We don't know, because, again, it's baseless speculation meant purely to defend Atlus with the power of wishful thinking.As >>520847237, even in the worst case scenario, they could have just burdened the fee. A remaster is already almost pure profit.>>520847545The irony of saying that while trying to defend their greed. So close yet so far.>>520847782This is just pure drone logic, why even reply to that guy? You're arguing just as much as he is. Stop your holier-than-thou garbage.

>>520847643Right, Atlus could've negotiated a contract that would include Dante in the base game but that would've eaten into their potential profits.

>>520847071Surely Atlus could give Capcom's royalties from the money they get from the base game that they're definitely charging $60 for?

>>520840928It's funny. DMC DLC is making all the faggots come out of the woodworks and show show dumb they are.

>>520848080>Oh, did you fuck up your NO U greentext? Wanna try again?

>>520848064>2. Megami Tensei traditionally had at least one second human party member, the Heroine, who would join your party. This is the case in basically every game before Nocturne.You also had multiple human recruits in SMT II, who were functionally the same as demons but didn't cost MAG.

Reminder that Raidou has pierce and Dante doesn't. OP is actually upset about Nocturne having MORE content and he wants the inferior guest character.

>>520848135No it's showing how many mindless drones have infested the SMT fanbase. It was only a matter of time I guess, Persona's popularity acted as a gateway and IV was already full of DLC so people became conditioned to it.

>>520848242Doesn't he have pierce in the remaster now?

>>520848250they're giving donte pierce in the remaster

>>520848064Alright, thanks

>>520848250>so people became conditioned to itThey're not interested in the Dante DLC tho

>>520848091Unfortunately yes, Atlus has no shame. It is what it is.Is there any other examples of a remaster getting paid DLC (Not a remake or a reboot, a straight up HD port with DLC)? I don't know if there a precedent for this. If not, its a very interesting choice.

I didn't know Nocturne was guaranteed to sell millions of copies to justify covering all the license costs to have Dante in the base game.Just enjoy the game bro, it's all on us.

who /drone/ here

>>520848198And you could fuse humans with demons for unexpected results.SMT1&2 are kind of fucked up.

Hope all the drones ITT will be happy when SMT V is a carved up monstrosity of monetization. IV was bad enough.Atlus will only get worse, not better, on this.

>>520848412Literally Call of Duty.Atlus and Activision are the only companies shameless enough to pull this, says a lot.

In the last Atlus (((West))) user survey I actually encouraged as much DLC as I could.I would like to think I was a small part of a larger voice. DLChads rise up on the poorfags.

>>520848518I'd agree with you if it was something like base Nocturne and the DLC contained all the Maniax/Chronicles content. I'd be fucking livid.As it stands it's just petty complaining about a side DLC that has to cover for Licensing costs.In a game that's niche to begin with.

>>520848518Nobody bought IV's DLC

>>520848412The 3DS version of Radiant Historia (another Atlus property) had DLC. Amongst other things, they sold the old portraits as a DLC pack.

>>520848135Suppose somebody doesn't give a shit about Raidou, but just wants Dante, because that's what they played back in 2005. They now have to pay $10 extra.

>>520840928Day 1 buy, day 1 dlc

>>520848756>I WANT DANTE WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHPlay DMC then, retard.

>>520848756Buy a time machine and go back to 2005 then, dumbass.

>>520848518M8, there's a fucking SMT gacha mobage, why are whining about this shit now of all times?

>>520846667Kamiya missed his chance.He had an opportunity with Project X Zone 2 featuring Dante and got asked for Bayonetta in, but refused because he wanted more control over a crossover.He said it was the wrong move, in restrospect.

>>520848756They're not getting what they played back in 2005.

>>520840928It’s better to pay for Dante as a DLC than buy the game twice like how it was originally.

>>520848756Then emulate the original

>>520841119I doubt he will get any voice lines and probably re use voice clips from DMC1 before Reuben was Dante.

>>520840928why do people still buy games when devs treat you like thisstart pirating games, its more ethical

>>520848756Play the PS2 game.This is a remaster of the version he didn't play, so it would be dumb to expect it to be the same as his.

It’s likely to cover the cost of licensing Dante again. Though this IS Atlus so I can’t be too sure.

>>520846107literal false equivalency, this is like if capcom sold vergil as DLC in the HD remaster even though he was unlockable on ps2

>47 drones in the thread

>>520848242Dante was buffed, he got pierce now.

>>520849249Nothing like that, because this is a remake of Chronicles, not Maniax.Dante was not in Chronicles.

WHY ISN'T THE WHOLE REMASTER FREE SINCE I ALREADY PIRA I MEAN BOUGHT IT USED AT GAMESTOP 15 YEARS AGOWHAT THE FUCK ATLUS

>1 big faggot in this thread

>>520847705Nocturne came out before the first Raidou game, and Chronicles came out along with Raidou 2 which was the last PS2 SMT>Seems im wrong but isnt it kind of weird to recruit a full human? Arent your party members SUPPOSED to be demons?Strange Journey is the only SMT without a human party member all the other turnbased ones I have played had one like Beth/Hiroki/Heroine/Nemissa/Rei/etc, plus Raidou is a badass

>>520849049>>520849002>>520848809>>520848803>>520849164I didn't think there were so many people willing to eat shit and ask for seconds but ok. I will continue to pirate both versions of SMTIII.

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>>520843525First they took our anime tiddies and I did not speak up because I am not an anime tiddy.

>>520846589>new contentlmao

>>520849535then they took our dante and i did not speak up because i literally could not give enough of a shit

>>520841520Unless they rebalanced the rest of Dante's skills, I'm pretty sure some of Raidou's skills are a little stronger than Dante's versions.

>>520849249>even though he was unlockable on ps2He was released on a whole new version of the game so anyone who bought the original release had to buy the game again just to get Virgil. Similarly anyone who wanted both Raidou and Dante had to buy SMT III twice.

>>520849528Lmao I'm not going to buy Dante's dlc.Do whatever you want retard, your brain will always be the size of a peanut. dumbass.

Selling us Dante as DLC is like selling us Sephiroth and all the other extra bosses in KH1FM as DLC.It's not right.

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>>520849335And Vergil wasn't in vanilla DMC3Why the fuck are you defending this shit?

>>520849335What you've said has no bearing on Dante's exclusion from the base version of the game.

>>520849747Yikes.

>>520849747>>520849745Yes it does? because it's not Maniax.

>>520849747Dante wasn't in the base version of chronicles

>>520849726Its like if gamefreak remastered pokemon red and let you spend $10 to get all the blue exclusive pokemon instead of buying the game twice

>>520849726S-E literally did that with KHIII

>>520849843>it's like if GF released FR and LG and removed the incentive and ability to trade Pokemon with other people (or yourself if you wanted)yeah, it's almost like that...

>>520849726Nonsense, Square still owns those characters whereas Atlus needs to license Dante for this. They had this exact problem before, which is why Chronicles I think it was called has Raidou instead. If anything I'd say blame capcom, they likely want a slice of the pie if their IP is involved in any way.

>>520849498From what ive seen, the SMT4 games sort of have human party members but they're some sort of partner seperate form your 4 man party that you cant control, usually implied to be running a demon party of their own.

>>520849884Except KH3 wasn't a re-release of a ps2 game.

>>520849824This isn't Maniax or Chronicles. There isn't anything preventing them from including him aside from costs.>>520849825I mean the HD version without DLC.

>>520840928Feel free to continue emulating the old game.

>>520849940>its OK when nintendo does it

>>520850090>it's okay when my shitty analogy doesn't work

It's common as fuck to ports or rereleases remove licensed characters.But in this case you are literally losing fuck all besides a different skin.

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>>520849726It's more like reskinning Sephirtoh into a Xemnas fight in KH1FM, then selling DLC that turns it back into Sephiroth.

>>520850030>just give it to me for free broPirate it then

>>520849940>yeah, it's almost like that...But they didn't do that. What they did was lock the ability to trade other gen 2 and 3 mons to FRLG behind completing the game. Like they ALWAYS do. You can still trade gen 1 mons between FRLG games before you beat it.

>>520849983KH has been reiterating the same game since the original PS2 game

>>520840928>smart>buy game>enjoy game for 15 years>autistic>game comes out at higher resolution>buy game again>pay more for content that was already in the original

>>520849952This has already been addressed. Atlus could have taken the brunt of the licensing expenses and negotiated for his inclusion without having the player pay extra.

>>520846337>I'M POORthe argument that is only made by people with poor economic skills, people who don't want to be jewed aren't poor they just don't want to be jewed, the opinion that you are poor for not buying something is the reason most people will remain poor their entire life, woman I know (single mother also) when she got her stimulus check she went on vacation with her kids and bought them new tablets and a phone for the oldest, she also still owes over 100$ to my sisters for babysitting her kids, having things doesn't make you rich, having money set aside so you don't go broke at the first sign of an issue is being rich.

>>520850260They didn't, get over it poorfag.

youtu.be/4I0VMJHzJoA?t=65Honestly would be Kino if they got Matt kaminsky to record some new lines for Dante, or even better Drew Combs

>>520850260>I expect a business that re-released the same game with an epilogue at full price to eat the licensing fees for the consumerAs much as I wish the same thing, your expectation is not realistic.

>>520850260>pay for my side content and pay it now!! you're my company friend so you should do it!!Imagine being this retard.

>>520843440>$10This can't be serious

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>>520850428>>520850421>>520850336Drones.

>All the people defending this shitWhy? I don't get itCapcom used Kaneko's desing for DMC4SE, did they charge extra with DLC for that? NopeIt's just scummy as fuck

>>520850465Retard.

>>520850465I didn't say I liked it retard, but to expect otherwise is foolish at best and completely fucking deluded at worst.

>>520850483keep seething poorfag

>>520850260Why would they do that when they can use Raidou and avoid paying a licence while promoting their own brand?

>>520841119If anything Matt Kaminski will be getting royalties from this.

>>520850336Do you own stock in Sega Sammy? Do you work for them or one of their business partners? Why are you so keen on defending the nickel-and-diming Atlus constantly pulls?

>>520850132>NOOOO THEY HAVE TO INCLUDE ALL CONTENT FROM 2 GAMES IN 1 BECAUSE IM POOOOOOORget a real job loser

>>520850624see >>520848645They should make Raidou DLC too.

why would anyone even buy this game again? what are the new features?

>>520850432This is what the thread boils down to. A lot of people buying the remaster are going to be new customers too.

>>520850650Who are you quoting?

>>520850624This is the first time I'm defending DLC for a game. Because I'm not a retard that doesn't understand anything about licensing costs.

>>520840928lol at all the retards crying about dante.-atlus doesn't own dante-atlus gets temporary timed rights to sell the game with content they don't own-once that time period is over, they lose the rights and have to de-list the content-by making dante dlc only, they don't have to delist nocturne on every platform 5 years from now, just the dante dlc unless they renew the license ($)this is best case scenario. first thing that comes to mind is soul calibur 4. by default the game shipped with starwars characters and now they can't even resell the game digitally anymore. its just gone forever.

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>>520850260imagine being this much of a brainlet and a poorfag

Piratechads win again.

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>mfw I don't care because I've already played the version of the game with Dante with it so I'm more than happy to play the version with Raidou

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Just give the remaster away for free because everybody pirated it over a decade ago.

>>520850885cringe, you should support your favorite developers poorfag

>>520850928I don't care either because I've played all the SMT games except Nocturne and am familiar with Raidou

>>520851031But we're talking about Atlus.

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>>520850552Great argument, you fucking retard, keep defending having to eat shit

What? You don't like me around?

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>>520850765>Because I'm not a retard that doesn't understand anything about licensing costs.And why should the average consumer care about this?

>>520850765At what point did I give the impression that I don't understand licensing costs? Again, does Atlus' finances also affect your finances?

>>520850928enjoy hearing dante's music while raidou is there I guess

>>520851165because average consumer wants to talk big boy numbers about $10 guest character DLC :^)

>>520840928>this much of a stink about DMC2 Dante>DMC2 DANTE

What if the DLC also included brand new crossover demon bosses like bayonetta?

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>>520851205>>520851165They shouldn't, and they don't affect me.I'm just not a delusional retard.

>>520850483The design was a commission piece specifically for DMC. Dante by contrast is the face of the DMC franchise and one of Capcom's most recognizable icons.You might have had a point if Jack Frost had been in DMC3 and got reused, not so much here.

>>520850860I recall still being able to buy PS2 Nocturne with Dante on ps3's PSN a few years back. I think its pretty safe to say Atlust wasnt constantly paying a license for that or it would have gotten delisted way earlier (assuming its even delisted now).

>>520848518>Adds ONE DLC character>People throw out this slippery slop bullshit Retards

>>520850860Atlus could've negotiated so that the contract did not include an expiration clause.

>>520851404Are you not aware of Atlus' history with DLC?

>>520851205you already did, you cant even fathom that atlus dont own Dante and by making dante dlc only, they don't have to delist nocturne on every platform 5 years from now, just the dante dlc unless they renew the license

>>520851404DLC slippery slope is literal proven history though

>>520840928So what does the DLC actually include? Just Dante? 10 dollars for a single character?

>>520851495this and that are two different things also see this>>520850860

>>520851609Hold on, I'm busting out my Holla Forums certified crystal ball for something that isn't out yet.

>>520851291Kaneko and his designs are a vital key point in SMT, people mourn that he's not working new designs for the latest games.Even if it was just a design comission, Capcom still had to pay for that license, and they paid it themselves not charge the customer for it

>>520851728How well does DMC sell compared to SMT?That's your answer.

>>520851348the big deal here is that with ps2 classics they're not allowed to make changesits why sega can re-release sonic 3 in pure rom format but 100% can't make a widescreen or hd version

Would you pay $10 if the dlc was this character instead?

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>>520851930>featuring & Knuckles

>>520851807idk man you tell me. DMC just released a new game and is making bank whilst SMT only has its mobile game as part of the mainline

>>520851540It's dependent on the contract.

>>520840928Raidou > Dante.This is a fact.

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>>520851991Exactly, shit just try to compare Capcom to Atlus, and tell me if they can afford those kind of things, Atlus still hasn't recovered from the loan.

>>520851609its just for dante

>>520851728>Kaneko and his designs are a vital key point in SMT, people mourn that he's not working new designs for the latest games.But his artstyle alone is not intellectual property that is part of the SMT franchise.>Even if it was just a design comission, Capcom still had to pay for that license, and they paid it themselves not charge the customer for itBecause this was back in a time where you could re-release the same game a year or so later with an extra character (i.e. Virgil) and people would still buy the game again. Be grateful they aren't releasing two different versions of Nocurne and expecting you to buy both.

and you're all gonna buy that dante skin anyway, you fucking bitches.

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>>520851807DMC5 made a lot of bank reselling players the old battle themes

>>520851540>you cant even fathom that atlus dont own Dante and by making dante dlc only, they don't have to delist nocturne on every platform 5 years from now, just the dante dlc unless they renew the licenseAnd whats stopping them from making a free dlc uh? Lots of games have free dlc and would solve the issue you named.

>>520852269>what's stopping one company from selling a piece of content that contains another companies property for free?Gee I wonder.

>>520852359Oh, but the problem recently was that they would have to delist it 5 years from now, and now the problem is back at cost. Nice movable goals there. Free DLC also has development costs. Nothing is free for a company. If they releasing an upscaled ps2 title for 60 bucks they could just absorbed the licensing cost of Dante easily and made it free dlc.

>>520852269No, it wouldn't. Atlus would not be able to distribute Dante, free or otherwise, if their license expires. Of course, there's nothing stopping them from pushing a contract that would allow them unlimited use of the license for this particular game, but that would likely cost them more depending on how willing Capcom is to play ball.

I'd pay 5 bucks for Dante but I'd pay ten for Vergil

Honestly the people complaining about this and the ones defending it are equally retarded, why would you want to play as Some faggot from a different franchise, the only thing Dante does here is ruining the immersion

>>520847329not the same situation, retard

Here's how Raidou will look in Chinese/Korean version

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>>520852567>Atlus would not be able to distribute Dante, free or otherwise, if their license expiresOf course they wouldnt, retard. If you follow the conversation the other user said that if it was packed inside the game the license would expire the whole game, hence suggesting a paid dlc would be a better option. Now the question is obvious. Why a PAID dlc? Why cant Atlus absorb the cost of the license if they are charging full price for a port?

>>520852729Maybe paint his coat red or something

>>520852537>Oh, but the problem recently was that they would have to delist it 5 years from now, and now the problem is back at cost. Nice movable goals there.You fucking wot m8? Both are the exact reason why Dante is a paid DLC and not in the base game for free. Capcom gets a cut of the DLC sales AND when the license expires they just have to delist only the DLC, not the entire game.

>>520852762>Why can't Atlus absorb the cost of the licenseSee my earlier post>>520850421

>>520843440Imagine being a poor fag

>>520852769Alright

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>>520852762>>520852797How are you faggots not understanding that the contract does not have to include an expiration clause?

Atlus STILL making normies on Holla Forums mad.Love em.

>>520853204Why do that when they can get those last minute sales when it's about to become delisted?

>>520851409name one game series that does thatscott pilgrim is gone forever because of licensingwhat kind of retarded company allows no expiration clause

I don't really care.I already have the original ps2 version.Not gonna buy it for dante with pierce or slightly nicer visual fidelity.I'll consider it if they add choosable skill inheritance.

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>>520853538>consider it for babby modesame bro

>>520853204see >>520853472

>>520849685Kek. Spoken like a true troglodyte. An absolute bottom feeder.Pathetic.

>>520851930I'd have paid $20 if he were a DLC character in Unleashed.

>>520840928i'm glad dantefags are getting btfo

>>520852134>But his artstyle alone is not intellectual property that is part of the SMT franchise.It might as well be, he is most recognized for his work in SMT and almost all fans unanimously prefer Kaneko's style before any other designer the franchise has had>Because this was back in a time where you could re-release the same game a year or so later with an extra character (i.e. Virgil) and people would still buy the game again.DMC4 SE was released 7 years after the original launch (5 fucking years ago) and it included 3 new characters, costumes, modes and an overall lift to the graphics>Be grateful they aren't releasing two different versions of Nocurne and expecting you to buy bothI wouldn't be surprised, there'd be people defending that too>>520852680Be my guest to explain how so fuckhead

>>520853918if sonic turning into a werehog made him go nuts and the night levels was knuckles doing the combat trying to calm down or restrain sonic that would've been a better game

>>520846892wish theyd use these suited devil triggers instead of the edgy spikybois

>>520846068>They've done similar DLC-mitigation before for Etrian Odyssey.Remind me again what EO DLC was given at a reduced/free price point?

>>520850765>I'm not a retard who doesn't understand licensing costsSays the retard who doesn't understand licensing costs. The mental gymnastics to defend literal EA Call of Duty level jewery.

>>520854101>It might as well be, he is most recognized for his work in SMT and almost all fans unanimously prefer Kaneko's style before any other designer the franchise has hadExcept that's not how it works. Just because an artist well-known for working on a specific franchise doesn't mean everything he draws is an extension of that IP. If that were the case Wayforward would be constantly indebted to both Inti and Capcom because of Shantae's artwork.>DMC4 SE was released 7 years after the original launch (5 fucking years ago) and it included 3 new characters, costumes, modes and an overall lift to the graphicsI was talking about DMC3 and 3SE, which is back when the design was first commissioned. Obviously 4SE didn't have an extra cost because it was already purchased.>I wouldn't be surprised, there'd be people defending that tooAnd yet that is what happened but no one complained despite it being overtly scummier than what is happening now. This is your rose-tinted glasses at work.

>>520854378sure dude, wake me up when atlus owns the right to DMC and dante

>>520850146But it's not common for HD remasters to remove licensed characters to sell you back as a part of the game that they arbitrarily removed. It shows that they we're fine workng on it, making it playable in the new version, then gating it off by a paywall. I don't care if it was from a different release, it was still content from a version of SMT3 and should be in the definitive version.

All criticisms of the greed of companies are caused by capitalism. You people are fucking retarded.

>>520853649Unironically yes.I already beat it ince before, atleast let me go to town with my fusion autism if you expect me to buy it againRandomized fusion skills was absolute cancer and only works against a major appeal of the game.A major appeal of the game is to meticulously prepare and customize your party to your liking.Being forced to take pester against your will just goes against that design.Yes you can beat nocturne just fine with a wasted skill slot, but it just makes it less satisfying experience overall.Even if it wpupd have made nocturne too easy at the time hey should have balanced the difficulty around players being able to choose which skills get inherited.Which they eventually did with IV:A.

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>>520854665>Absolutely prving my pointDamn, kid. It's like you have zero business experience at all. Have you ever even seen a licensing contract? Let alone negotiated one? It's not a rights issues it's a greed and anti-consumer issue.Pathetic.

>>520853918People paid for Super Sonic DLC in forces

>>520855073>>520855235I am fully aware of this being why Dante is priced as such, and if I had it my way it wouldn't be but to actually expect a company, fucking Atlus and Capcom especially to not try to nickle and dime the customer is unrealistic. To continue to keep arguing about this is silly because basically anyone would want this shit to be free, but the reality of the situation is that he was never going to be a free DLC and there's no way in hell Capcom would license out Dante to Atlus indefinitely.

Capcom probably wants royalty fees and instead of giving them a cut of the main game they can contain it to DLC. It's the same reason smash ultimate has the 3rd party characters as paid DLC. Legal reasons and minimizing how much they have to pay.

>>520856045Both Belmonts, Sonic, Snake, Cloud, Ryu and Ken are all 3rd party and are not DLC.

>>520851930Yes.

>>520855235never assume unless otherwise state, you yourself doesnt even know the clause of the contract so stop being a smartass about it. it doesnt take a genius to understand that X character is being sold as such bec X company doesnt hold the rights to that character and btw have you even heard about collab units? this is basically what theyre doing

>>520854648>Just because an artist well-known for working on a specific franchise doesn't mean everything he draws is an extension of that IP.Sure, but Kaneko is a special case, he's strictly linked to SMT because it's what he has been doing during most of his life, Kaneko's designs are the face of SMT as much as Dante is the face for DMC.>4SE didn't have an extra cost because it was already purchased.Source? If it was just a design comission why even bother credit him in the fucking title screen, sounds more like they had to pay Kaneko again to use them>And yet that is what happened but no one complained despite it being overtly scummier than what is happening now Except it didn't, not in the west, and no one complained exactly because of that.

>>520852043This.Never got the obsession with Dante besides the memes. I fucking love DMC but Dante being in the game is fucking goofy.Crossing over different franchises is really fucking difficult to do without just coming off like fan-service bullshit

>licensing costsCan always expect Sega shills to shit up a thread.This game is going to cost $60 at launch, which is $10 more than the original game. Are we getting more content for the higher price point? No; it’s an equivalent amount of content. Not just that, but Atlus 17 years ago charged $50 for a game they needed to create from scratch; that was their first PS2 megaten. Plus it came with a soundtrack disc for free.Now, the only effort going into this game is upscaled resolution (takes no effort; emulators upscale literally every game) and increased frame rate (irrelevant in a menu-driven game). Maybe voice acting too but it’s complete amateur hour from what we’ve heard. That’s it. How is this bare minimum amount of effort worth $60? On top of that, there’s day one dlc to add existing content. They pulled the same stunt with Radiant Historia by locking the original art behind day one paid dlc.The profit margins on rereleases is insane, which is why publishers adore the lack of backwards compatibility in consoles. These games are pure profit. There’s no “licensing fee” to eat up the budget; that $60 price tag could very easily absorb the cost, if any exists at all. That’s free marketing for the DMC series. But shills - literal Sega employees - will spout this nonsense to justify their insane greed. And look how it works. How many idiots will purchase this dlc in this thread alone? “It’s only 10 bucks, user. That’s one cheeseburger. You can’t afford one cheeseburger?”Yeah, I can, but when I pay for a combo meal I expect to get the fucking cheeseburger with my meal and not pay extra for it.

>>520853538Aren't they adding Voiceovers for every cutscene or something?Might be worth for that

>>520858061>Blog post>Ends with food analogyLOL

>>520857471>Sure, but Kaneko is a special case, he's strictly linked to SMT because it's what he has been doing during most of his life, Kaneko's designs are the face of SMT as much as Dante is the face for DMC.You do realise that you're proposing that he be legally bound to the SMT IP and have no freedom to work on anything else without express permission, right? No offense, but that's far more fucked up than anything anyone has complained about in this thread thus far.>Source? If it was just a design comission why even bother credit him in the fucking title screen, sounds more like they had to pay Kaneko again to use themThe old sites are dead but it doesn't matter because the designs were never copyrighted to anyone other than Capcom and Kaneko himself, so any cost would be on an indivudal use basis at most. They credited him because it's still a design drawn by him, that hasn't changed. Whenever RE4 is re-released for the umpteenth time Mikami's name is still credited because he's still the director, even though he's not part of Capcom anymore.>Except it didn't, not in the westNocturne didn't, no, but DMC3 and 3SE were both released in the west and less than a year apart. "Please buy our game again, it has a few minor changes that took no effort to make and one new character" was a business practice that worked globally back then, this is indisputable.

>>520858061ye but the difference is that once youre finished eating your food you cant re-eat it again without ordering and paying more money, your analogy doesnt make sense

>>520840928Companies aren't your friends, retard.

>>520858061>Are we getting more content for the higher price point?You literally are, though, you're getting two characters in the same game. Which was not possible without buying both games before and even then they'd still be in separate games.

>>520843803Dope. Fuck Dante.

Nocturne fags are secondaries who only care about memes. Who would have though?

>>520843440Can't be helped, Dante isn't Atlus' property.

>>520844051Even without TDE, the Kalpas have a lot to offer:- Beelzebub and Metatron boss fights- 100%-ing the Compendium (fusing the Fiends, Beelzebub, Metatron, Sakahagi, Futomimi; getting Dante/Raidou and Black Frost)- getting Uber Pixie and Girimehkala with Pierce- doing the Burial Chambers to unlock an extra press turn icon in NG+- getting tons of goodies (shitloads of money, incences etc.)- simply grinding

>All these people actually DEFENDING Atlus's shitty business practicesI lost what little faith I still had left for Holla Forums

>>520844239>Want to actually revive their friendsYou mean the shitty friends that betrayed you at the drop of a god damn hat? Lmao no

>>520860753You're the one who betrayed them, dumbass. They offered you to join them, and you refused.

>>520858316>You do realise that you're proposing that he be legally bound to the SMT IP and have no freedom to work on anything else without express permission, right? No offense, but that's far more fucked up than anything anyone has complained about in this thread thus far.What? That's not what im implying at all, what i was saying is that SMT is deeply ingrained into Kaneko's style and viceversa. When you see Dante's DT you think of Kaneko, when you think of Kaneko you think of SMT/Atlus, simple as that. This is probably why Atlus chose having Kaneko to do a design for DMC, instead of just placing an SMT character in DMC>Whenever RE4 is re-released for the umpteenth time Mikami's name is still credited because he's still the director, even though he's not part of Capcom anymore.Because he was working FOR Capcom, unlike Kaneko. Actually both Kaneko AND Atlus are credited in the title screen, which would prove that the designs aren't just a comission from Kaneko by himself.>Nocturne didn't, no, but DMC3 and 3SE were both released in the west and less than a year apart. "Please buy our game again, it has a few minor changes that took no effort to make and one new character" was a business practice that worked globally back then, this is indisputable.Well, yeah, i wasn't saying that Capcom didn't pull that shit back then, that wasn't the point, i've been talking about DMC4SE the whole time. The point is Capcom used something from Kaneko/Atlus later on without charging extra for it, Atlus is now doing the same, except they are actually charging extra for it

>>520840928>spending $60 for a re-release of a 17 year old game with minimal improvements that you can easily emulate on PC for free>spending another $10 for a feature that shipped with the gameHaha, no. Atlus? More like FAGLUS

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>>520863052>What? That's not what im implying at all, what i was saying is that SMT is deeply ingrained into Kaneko's style and viceversa. When you see Dante's DT you think of Kaneko, when you think of Kaneko you think of SMT/Atlus, simple as that. This is probably why Atlus chose having Kaneko to do a design for DMC, instead of just placing an SMT character in DMCBut there is no legal obligation. The style is not part of SMT's IP copyright and no matter how much you insist this is the fundamental difference between the two points. The only way it would be equivalent is if his style was part of the IP, which is why I said that's what you're inferring. But it's not. That's all it boils down to.>Because he was working FOR Capcom, unlike KanekoHe was part of the project so he's credited under character design.>Actually both Kaneko AND Atlus are credited in the title screenThis actually sounds like pretty typical third-party involvement in nip development, if Kaneko was working for Atlus at the time then it would cite both in crediting the work since Japanese corporate law is nothing if not very bureaucratic. t. works in nip third-party development.>The point is Capcom used something from Kaneko/Atlus later on without charging extra for it, Atlus is now doing the same, except they are actually charging extra for itOne thing is obviously more expensive to use than the other, some designs will never be as major of an issue when it comes to copyright as the face of an entire franchise.

>>520841359Cutscenes are different and Chronicle Edition has a new post-credits ending sequence.

>>520863845>But there is no legal obligation. The style is not part of SMT's IP copyright and no matter how much you insist this is the fundamental difference between the two points. The only way it would be equivalent is if his style was part of the IP, which is why I said that's what you're inferring. But it's not. That's all it boils down to.But that's the thing, Kaneko's style IS part of the IP, obviously not legally, but indirectly. You make it seem as if the designs in DMC doesn't help SMT in any way, which is obviously wrong.>This actually sounds like pretty typical third-party involvement in nip development, if Kaneko was working for Atlus at the time then it would cite both in crediting the work since Japanese corporate law is nothing if not very bureaucratic. t. works in nip third-party development.Woudn't it mean then, that Atlus has a hand on the designs and Capcom had to reach Atlus in order to use them again?>One thing is obviously more expensive to use than the other, some designs will never be as major of an issue when it comes to copyright as the face of an entire franchise.So you agree that Capcom had to pay for the design again, and honestly, i doubt Capcom would charge much for the design included and specifically known for the worst selling game of the franchise

>>520865771>But that's the thing, Kaneko's style IS part of the IP, obviously not legally, but indirectly.Legally is what matters, though.>You make it seem as if the designs in DMC doesn't help SMT in any way, which is obviously wrong.The cross-promotion is what mattered to both games, that was the purpose of the action. The designs are distinct and that has a positive effect, but that doesn't mean it has any copyright or commercial value beyond that.>Woudn't it mean then, that Atlus has a hand on the designs and Capcom had to reach Atlus in order to use them again?Permission? Probably. A specific licensing fee that would actually add significant overhead to the game's budget? Unlikely.>i doubt Capcom would charge much for the design included and specifically known for the worst selling game of the franchiseThey released DMC2 for the same price as DMC1 and 3 for the Switch release, you can be damn sure they don't care about which version they use, they just want to cover their brand recognition because the bureaucracy needs to be upheld.

>>520866778>Legally is what matters, though.No, it doesn't matter because like you said>The designs are distinct and that has a positive effectThey have a postive effect for SMT even if it's not legally, or directly>Permission? Probably. A specific licensing fee that would actually add significant overhead to the game's budget? Unlikely.This Atlus we're speaking about though, wouldn't put it past them>They released DMC2 for the same price as DMC1 and 3 for the Switch release, you can be damn sure they don't care about which version they use, they just want to cover their brand recognition because the bureaucracy needs to be upheld.You've got a point there, but im sure the would care about which version they use, otherwise we'd see DMC2 Dante more often

Is SMT Dante canon to DMC?

>>520868152>They have a postive effect for SMT even if it's not legally, or directlyWe're discussing the business implications of the content which means the concerns begin and end with Japanese corporate and contract law and obligation. As such it does not have the same weight as the main character of a franchise.>This Atlus we're speaking about though, wouldn't put it past themIt probably amounts to a renewal fee at most and when it's just a few designs that won't compare to using Dante.>You've got a point there, but im sure the would care about which version they use, otherwise we'd see DMC2 Dante more oftenWe don't see DMC2 Dante anymore because it isn't en vogue. Do you remember when they put fucking Donte in Playstation All Stars over the actually recognisable version that people loved and cared about? It's literally just because it was the latest iteration and they wanted to promote it, exactly the same reason they used DMC2 Dante in Nocturne over DMC1 Dante, there's no good rationale behind the Capcom (or indeed any publisher) marketing mindset.

>>520868779You know, i don't have to greentext you anymore because i agree with pretty much what you said there, using a Kaneko desing probably doesn't cost to Capcom as much it costs Atlus to use Dante. Still, i feel i doesnt excuse what they're doing with the DLC