Thoughts on the west coast trilogy?

>>507959193>Fallout 2>Good combatOH NONONONONO

>>507957706I still need to learn how to break the game in FO2.I read how lots of times most players do that, and I want to go full melee tribal, but I also want to move around.

>>507959069Lmao lucklet

>>507957706Ironically, Fallout 2 and New Vegas fail to build upon the groundwork the first game set. Fallout 2 so utterly in comparison to New Vegas, which jumps far too ahead in time. There's really no reason for the NCR to even exist by the time of Vegas. Far too many towns existed with their own unique cultures for the nationalistic NCR we see in Vegas to exist after a mere 40 years of assimilation. That's barely two generations.All Fallout 2 needed to do was erase the time limit, set the game twenty or fourty years after the first, don't start with that tribal bullshit, and be about how people live in the wasteland after the Master rather than some spookey bogeyman from the old war somehow existing with better technology.

>>507957706While I liked the three of 'em (especially love the first two), I think New Vegas is just missing a slight layer of depth from a RPG point of view. It's not reliant enough on you character sheet and miss some option to solve problem. Take the old ones, to open a locked door, you could obviously lockpick it, but could kick it down if your strenght allowed it, or try to use a crowbar, or even use explosive to open it. In New Vegas, it's 99% of the time lockpicking or bust. There's mods to allow to breach through explosive, tho, so there's that at least.>>507959260Yes, it's a decent turn-based system. It's not (and wasn't) as good as the reference of the genre (mostly, Jagged Alliance 2), but it's still enjoyable and do the trick. You may not like turn-based, but that's just your taste, not a game issue.

>>507959069>have to wait forever while they slowly go through their turnsYou're aware theyre's litteraly a "combat speed" slider in the option menu, right?

>>507959683Actually, the Enclave could've existed but more as a parallel to the BoS with its goals being to eventually take over America with them curing the wasters from their genetic fuckups.Really, the Enclave was such a neat concept with horrible execution and half-assed writing.

>>507959683>All Fallout 2 needed to do was erase the time limit,There's no time-limit in Fallout 2, I don't know what you're rambling about. Hanukin appears to you in dreams from time to time to tell you not to forget about your dying village, but that's about it. You can take as much time as you want to complete the quest, it ain't like Fallout 1.

>>507958405>Fallout 2>GameplayWhat are you talking about? It's probably the most poorly thought out game i have ever played. What's the point of being pulled into a battle in a desert with 10 raiders with machine guns and rifles when you only have a pistol?New Vegas also has superior dialogue system. Not even close there.Honestly Fallout 2 is not even a great game and it's a horrible Fallout game due to how it shits all over the tone and lore of Fallout 1

>>507959905Talking Deathclaw vault.

>>507958732>>507959260God damn, your zoomer is showing, son.

>>507959905>>507959957I mean, that Vault being decimated after some in-game time was one of the shittiest parts of the game and should have never been a thing.

>>507957706Kino

>>507959907Because "gameplay", idiot, doesn't mean "just combat".>New Vegas also has superior dialogue systemThe one where you can clearly see how much of a skill you need to "win"?

>>507959990Maybe if we were talking Baldur's Gate you could say that.How the hell could you possibly defend the first two game's Crit to Win shit?

>>507958732You're a literal retard who has no basis of judgement. Fallout 1 and 2 were solid tabletop systems.

>>507960118No, they weren't.

>>507960115>Maybe if we were talking Baldur's Gate you could say that.Oh shit, are you a bgfag?

>>507960189Yes they were.

>>507959690I love turn-based combat, I just don't like the absolute mess of a system Fallout 1 & 2 rolled with.

>>507960195No, it just has a modern remake and a more fleshed out combat system that doesn't make people want to rip out their own eyeballs even when they understand it.

>>507960101That's actually fine since it shows the experience you put into a skill, and is by far better than a fucking probability.

>>50795939610 STR3 PER10 END2 CHAR10 INT10 AGI2 LCKGifted and Heavy Handed traits.Slayer makes every attack you land auto crit so 10 LCK is a waste.

>>507960195That's a different user

>>507960265>That's actually fine since it shows the experience you put into a skilllmao, no it's not.In FO1/2 you have to have enough skill points invested and still make the proper dialogue choices if you want to convince an npc of something.In NV it's just an "I win" button.

>>507960265Eh, I kind of liked Fallout 3 better for that. Just to show you can't win all the goddamn time with a silver tongue. Some people are going to have their doubts win against your sweet nothings.

>>507960257>more fleshed out combat system that doesn't make people want to rip out their own eyeballs even when they understand it.You're talking about a butchered version of AD&D, zoomer. Butchered even harder by bioware trying to make it fit into an abortion that is real time with pause, the worst system ever devised.

>>507958732>>507959069Interplay Fallout have superior RPG gameplay to NV because they allow your character to actually have strengths and weaknesses to manifest in the gameplay in a way that NV can't as an FPS. Allow me to demonstrate with an example character: A Doctor. I tag Speech, First Aid and Science. I max out CHR and INT but don't have much in the way of AGL or END. I take Good Natured as a Trait. In a combat encounter against a band of raiders, my character's literal best chance for survival is to flee or to recruit companions who can fight, to fight, on their behalf because by design they are a non-combatant character who couldn't pick up a gun and start popping people even if he wanted to. He's unskilled with guns, and can't hit the broadside of a barn, nor can he act as quickly as a trained gunslinger in combat.This character is impossible in NV. Every character fundamentally plays the same when interacting with the gameworld. Your competence with weapons or in a fight are entirely dictated by player skill rather than character skill. My hardened Desert Ranger is as good in a firefight as my meek Follower of the Apocalypse.

>>507959957Talking Deathclaws are as outrageous as the deathclaws themselves so it's fine

>>507960354This may work.I mean, I followed a guide abpout just going weak because you can get power armor, but the trip was a living hell.And when I got it, it was always a death end because I was too under leveled to even hit a lucky strike to survive and ran away.

>>507960529Yeah, and, get this, it still works better than the original Fallout's systems.

>>507960189>t. hasn't ever played a tabletop RPG

>>507960561>talking animals is as dumb as animals

youtube.com/watch?v=A0M7FAoK3fMNew Reno > New Vegas

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>>507960552>muh Character skillplease fuck off, not all of us want to hit someone and not have it land because some bullshit about character skill

>>507960634And get this, it doesn't work. Especially if there's stairs involved.

>>507960265>by far better than a fucking probability.Fallout 2 will simply hide the dialogue options if you don't have enough skill point, which is actually pretty neat because it allows for higher replayability, you discover new options based on you character sheet. In New Vegas, you tend to look at option, say goodbye if you don't reach the threshold, pop a magazine bonus to reach the threshold if you can and win at life. It's still a system I'm relatively okay with, but it ain't better than the older one.

>>507960581Don't ruin the game for yourself. Beating geckos to death and raving as they chip away at your health is part of the experience.>>507960738aww, somehow this makes yours work

>>507960735Then don't play an RPG. They aren't for you. Don't cry and whinge about a genre you fundamentally don't like.

>>507960872Jesus Christ, not all RPGs have to be broken ass Morrowind's piece of shit melee combat.Why don't you stop whining about the way things were done in the past and try to enjoy the present, grognard?

>>507960718It does make me feel kinda sad/weird that New Vegas didn't have as much going as a city as New Reno did. I get they probably didn't want to retread ground, but Vegas with boxing rings, porn studios, etc beyond the casinos would have given real flavour.

>>507960940The fact that you think probability and skill are a "morrowind" thing and not just an RPG thing in general tells me how much of a retard you are. Stop talking about RPGs, you aren't a fan of the genre.

>>507960735>>muh Character skillCharacter skill? In RPGs? Preposterous.

>>507960552>This character is impossible in NVNo it isn't. Just don't pick up a gun. You wouldn't attempt to, anyway, if you were a doctor who didn't know how to use a gun. Plus, companions are useless in the first two games.

>>507961028The genre isn't restricted to your dead and gone niche.

>>507960940>plays Stars Without Number>Rolls dice>WTFFF????? IT DIDN'T WORK???? WHAT IS THIS MORROWIND BULLSHITTTT DUDEEE WTFFFF

>>507960940You don't want to play rpgs. You want to play action games with meaningless stats and skills that go up to feed your dopamine.

>>507961080Tabletop RPGs are literally the most popular that they've been for years, what are you talking about?

>>507961073>No it isn't. Just don't pick up a gunThis is a complete cop out, but even granting you this absurd idea Fallout 1/2 are still the superior RPG systems because in the off-chance such a character does pick up a gun, they are literally unable to suddenly become John Wick. >Plus, companions are useless in the first two games.Thank you for confirming what we already knew. You didn't play them beyond the first 20 minutes.

>>507961108Not even half the people in this thread know what the hell that is, me included. Go be a cringe ass old fag somewhere else.>>507961151Amazing how you think you can understand my desires in RPG vidya never having met me or had a decent conversation extending beyond this bullshit.>>507961195Hahahahahha! Oh my god! Please tell me you don't believe this.

1 was interesting. The rest were mildly interesting but ultimately overrated. WRPGs in general have trouble creating worlds that stay interesting.

When were we invaded by No Mutants Allowed?

>>507960552The concepts are better, the execution? Not so much. Non-combatant characters are doomed to fail from the start, they're meant to be unplayable unless you know everything that the game has to offer. "Pacifist" runs are about maximizing companions, but companion AI is retarded. You can't tell your companion to focus on individual enemies so you'll have to savescum tons of times to get it just right.True pacifist runs are so difficult you'll require to use glitches to sneak by enemies, especially because you'll be underlevelled and undergeared.It's like telling me "Fallout's RPG system is better because you can softlock yourself in them". Yeah, they feel more "RPG"ish, but that alone does not make a good game. Not to mention the hundreds of other flaws the game brings you.>>507960118>Calls me a retard while having his basis on judgement depend on something completely detached from the mediumClassic.

>>507961329>Amazing how you think you can understand my desires in RPG vidya never having met me or had a decent conversation extending beyond this bullshit.I can tell your approach to rpgs by your approach to character skill.There's no rpg without character skill, idiot, your character is supposed to be a completely separate entity from you.

>>507959224Shut up Todd

>>507961329>Hahahahahha! Oh my god! Please tell me you don't believe this.Do you actually know what a tabletop RPG is? Or are you actually trying to say that DnD isn't extremely popular right now? It's okay if you're wrong and you don't understand what is going on, just don't reply to this post.

>>507961430>making a bogeyman out of a forum with 3 active members Nice. The absolute state of zoomers.

>>507961636That's confirmed, then.

>>507961469And? That doesn't mean I have to like it when something like Morrowind comes along with the most annoying way of implementing such a thing in a 3D setting with no pause or turn system. If I wanted to hit something and miss, I would've played Baldur's Gate. Doesn't waste my time making me think I can hit my enemy if I just swing my sword.>>507961546DnD has been dead for a long fucking time, mi amigo.

>>507961636the joke flew straight through your head and vacated your brain

>>507961765>That doesn't mean I have to like itThen don't. Nobody gives a fuck if you like something or don't but if you say stupid shit like >muh Character skill>IN RPGSthen don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

>>507961435I'm not arguing that Fallout 1/2 utilized their systems amazingly. They really didn't. In fact, if you read the design documents of Van Buren one of the biggest development challenges/aims they went going in with it was to make every skill and character type actually viable and useful unlike the first two. The point still stands, however, that those games have the actual ability for that to be the case. You can argue for better utilization and I'd absolutely agree, I'd even agree that NV utilizes skills through dialogue and check interaction better than the first games, but you cannot dispute that type of literal character disparity is impossible in NV's system.

>>507957706Overrated and the bethesda games are better.>inb4 toddCope, faggots. The besthesda games have>waaay better maps>better graphics>better gunplay>gun crafting that isn't complete dogshit in the case of 4 and 76>power armor that isn't a complete joke>decent RPG elements at least in the case of 3 and 76You can make the argument that the west coast games have better RPG mechanics but as overall experiences they are less fun. Period.

>>507961430Remember that time they got so pissed about Many A True Nerd defending Fallout 3 that they doxxed the fuck out of him?

>>507961765>DnD has been dead for a long fucking time, mi amigo.This is patently wrong. The playerbase has grown substantially in the last decade. Are you actually mentally unwell?

>>507961929It was in reference to Morrowind. And I'd hardly call those like you people.

>>507961994>>power armor that isn't a complete joke>runs on AAA batteries and doesn't even have damage threshold.

>>507962008Holy fuck, really? What a bunch of butthurt asshats.

>>507962164Yeah dude. Like suuuuper toxic.

>>507962103It has better stats and perks in general

>>507962061First I'm hearing of it. All the rage in tabletop shit is Pathfinder or even more niche settings with playerbases that spit on Dunce and Deuces

>>507961951Then I misunderstood the intent of your post. I concede that Fallout New Vegas would have been much, much more enjoyable if the significance of skill points were worked around to matter as much as those of a "real" RPG.

>>507962073>It was in reference to Morrowind.No, you little shitter.You were responding to>>507960552who talks about Falloutsand you respond with>>507960735Literally kill yourself, right now. On stream. I'll even subscribe and donate to you.

>bethesda's fallout>more apocalyptic than post-apocalypticI am still mad.

>>507957706Three and Four unironically do the first more justice.

>>507962236>All the rage in tabletop shit is PathfinderWhich is just D&D3.75

>>507962378Umayyad bro?>>507962465lol, how growing

>ITT: >No Mutants Allowed shills vs Obsidian shills vs Bethesda shills

>>507961994Kill yourself, redditor. >>waaay better mapsWith nothing to do in them. The Mojave was a boring map but it was packed with worthwhile narrative content. Factions, characters, quests and decisions. Bethesda make skinner-box loot dungeons with repetitive enemies and nothing of value.>>better graphicslol>>better gunplaylol >>gun crafting that isn't complete dogshit in the case of 4 and 76But the crafting is dogshit. The weapons are garbage visually, nothing feels unique or memorable to use, "Unique" weapons are Skyrim enchantments. Oh wait, did you mean that you can stuff 3000 types of lego-brick that means it's good? The Fallout 4 weapon crafting system is perhaps the best example of quantity vs quality I've seen in recent games. >>power armor that isn't a complete jokeExcept for the fact that it is so burdensome that barely anyone actually uses it, because it's inconvenient. It is better animated and modelled, yes, but that is literally it.

>>507962506peak Holla Forums

>>507962387Are you sure you didn't mean Post-Post Apocalypse?'cause that's a word. It's a stupid word but people don't stop using it.

>>507962236So you're moving the goalposts. Despite the fact that I started off with tabletop RPGs broadly and you showed you didn't understand, so I specified DnD because I assumed you would recognize. Nice.

>>507960735>>muh Character skill>please fuck offAnon. They're RPGs and not action games. For real fuck you for turning all RPGs into action games with your disdain for RPGs. Action games are fine. It's fine to like them. But leave RPGs out of it. Sincerely. Fuck you.

>>507962506>West Coast Virgins Vs East Coast Chads

>>507962164>>507962218It's not that bad if everyone is only talking about the old Fallout games and other RPGs made by Interplay/Black Isle/Troika/Obsidian but don't even think about discussing Bethesda games in any positive light, like saying you enjoyed the base building elements in Fallout 4 or they'll get really pissed off.

>>507962687>like saying you enjoyed the base building elements in Fallout 4 or they'll get really pissed off.based

Fallout New Vegas remake in isometric-style, when?

>>507962626So I'm at fault for not operating to your assumptions?>>507962642You don't own the genre and your beef goes far beyond me. The reason why RPGs are mixing with action is because they go together like chocolate and peanut butter. No one likes to eat peanut butter after having chocolate with peanut butter.

>>507962687The Pitt was the best Fallout content ever. What the fuck do they have to complain about it or anything else like it?

>>507962335I think you could still do it in a 3D FPS: >Skill checks are % based rolls with a timestamp system to prevent savescumming >SPECIAL checks are 1d10 roll under rolls with a timestamp system to prevent savescumming >Weapon skill affects not only affects sway/steadiness, but your spread, recoil control,damage and reloading speed>Low weapon skill players are jamming their guns and fumbling to reload, their shots are likely to miss and aren't as effective high weapon skill players reload like John Wick and utilize their weapon to its fullest

Either grognards are being trolled in this thread or grognards are grognarding too grognard

>>507962850>You don't own the genre and your beef goes far beyond me.You're right I don't and I am not pretending to. >The reason why RPGs are mixing with action is because they go together like chocolate and peanut butter.This depends entirely on the implementation. The moment you deride and forsake character skill it stops being an RPG. That's not even debatable and why going "muh character skill fuck off" is absolutely ridiculous.

>>507962850>So I'm at fault for not operating to your assumptions?You're at fault for being deliberately dense earlier on.

>>507959683>don't start with that tribal bullshit, and be about how people live in the wasteland after the Master rather than some spookey bogeyman from the old war somehow existing with better technology.Why?

>>507962687This victim complex reeks of reddit. You have to go back.

>>507963027There are far more elements to RPGs beyond character skills.>>507963047Do you have any idea how vague saying anything is growing is? Like, can you pull up statistics? Where is this growth coming from? You're just talking shit.

>>507962687>NOOO YOU CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ME NOOOO >BUT I LIIIIIKE FALLOUT 4 YOU CAN'T SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT NOOOO YOU'RE TOXICCC!!!

>>507963059Because the entire tribe thing is so goddamn ridiculous. There are far too many remnants of the old world for things to decline into that state, especially when the members of that tribe come from a fucking vault. Also, you can't seriously defend the Enclave in 2, can you?

>>507963160>There are far more elements to RPGs beyond character skills.100%. Every single mechanic of an RPG. Every single one. Is tied to character skill or whatever other actor you have.

>>507963121>>507963212there's rightfully tearing something apart and throwing a hissy fit about its very existence, kind of like what you're doing now

>>507962986Do you think guns should have a chance to completely miss the enemy even when it should have connected with all aim penalties factored in? Kinda like Morrowind.

>>507963160>There are far more elements to RPGs beyond character skills.Yeah? Such as?

>>507962571>Are you sure you didn't mean Post-Post Apocalypse?Yes I am. Bethesda's Fallout games look like the bombs went off that very year, if not that very week. Before that Fallout was genuinely post-apocalyptic. The world had truly gone to shit but civilization had recovered to varying degrees across the lands and people had pulled themselves out of the rubble. But in Bethesda's fallout you see generations go by and people still live in the dusty rubble from the explosion. Without doing anything about it. It's not post-apocalyptic in the slightest. It's ridiculous.

>>507963290Tied does not mean it is the sole element of a skill. Also, that's wrong. There are RPG systems entirely reliant on traits, equipment, and random chance.

>>507957706People who say NV is the best haven't played the originals and will not convince me otherwise

>Fallout 1/2 are better!!>Fallout NV is better>Fallout 3/4 are betterMeanwhile, everyone that is a real connoisseur of the series knows that the best Fallout is Tactics

>>507963160>There are far more elements to RPGs beyond character skills.Take say, Dark Souls. Or any action RPG. Remove character skill. And what are you left with? Not an RPG. You've got an action game then. It might still be fun but it's no longer an RPG.

>>507963412lol, someone hasn't been playing the games

>>507963263>There are far too many remnants of the old world for things to decline into that stateI assume they were very isolated. Either way it's pretty cool to have post-apocalyptic tribes in the setting.>Also, you can't seriously defend the Enclave in 2, can you?What's wrong with it?

>>507963160You're being deliberately dense, again. You know tabletop RPGs are more popular than ever, but you are pretending not to think so for the sake of digging deeper into your own grave. Just compare Hasbro's sale numbers for DnD in the last five years compared to the years before it, if you want an example. Or the flourshing of indie RPGs that have actually been commercially viable/successful. Shit like Powered by the Apocalypse or the OSR stuff like Kevin Crawford's work. All of this is a result of it becoming massively popular in the 2010s. The point is that dice-rolling, chance based character systems are moreso in the conciousness than they were in the mid-2000s and they are massively far from irrelevant.

>That time everyone unironically said pic related was better than Bethesda's Fallout games (except 76, that shit is genuinely worse than pic related)You didn't have to sink that low guys

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>>507963507Not when there's still character choices and backgrounds and those likes.

>>507963397Visual customization, versatility of dialogue, versatility of solutions to a problem, immersive setting.>>507963507That's the Japanese RPG genre, which aren't really RPGs, but are called such because that's what they're used to. It's like calling "Spelunky" a roguelike, when it is nothing like rogue.

>>507963382Not in a first person game, no. It's why isometric is better at pulling off that thing because it's less weird for a shot to miss in that context where player skill is secondary to the character's actual skills.

>>507963382No, that's retarded. It shouldn't matter if you are skilled enough just to pull the trigger once. If you're literally pointing the gun centimeters away of their eyes you should be making the same damage, you just would happen to not have the opportunity for a second shot.

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>>507963559Klamath and the Den are not even a week away.The Enclave are saturday cartoon villains that came from absolutely nowhere.

>>507963456>There are RPG systems entirely reliant on traitsTraits affect stats. >equipmentThese are again tied to stats. >random chance.again, tied to stats. Character skill, in the context from higher up in the thread, was synonymous with character stats. If you somehow missed that. Stats as a representation of skill. Not skills as some kind of special abilities. But even in the case of special abilities, they're tied to stats. Aka character skill.

The only people who praise FO1 and 2 are nostalgiafags and pretentious hipsters who only pretend to like them to feel cultured and superior to all the Bethesda loving normies. The first two games have aged like absolute dogshit, and their stories and writing are nowhere near as good as people would have you believe.

>>507963559>I assume they were very isolated. Either way it's pretty cool to have post-apocalyptic tribes in the setting.Even if it is "cool" that doesn't change the fact that the people who follow the Vault Dweller, other dwellers (literally the best educated people you could find then) turned into spear chucking dumbfucks in the span of one generation.

>>507963495I have played the originals and I prefer NV. I like the worldbuilding and setting of NV more, I prefer its main characters and main story.

>>507963594All you had to do was say that. There you go. I genuinely do not because all I know is my little group of autists I interact with.Do you have any idea how niche tabletop RPGs really are to the common man?

>>507963738They don't have to be entirely effective on skills and stats is the point.Let's not argue semantics, for fuck's sake.

>>507963160>There are far more elements to RPGs beyond character skills.This is true but they are still a vital element. You need, in an RPG, someway to judge or determine your character's competency at interacting with the world. Skills are the best way to do this. If you don't have them, then the competency/ability is handed entirely to the player and it ceases being a true roleplaying game.

>>507963704>you just would happen to not have the opportunity for a second shot.Logically speaking, if you literally put a gun at someone's head, he can still evade it one way or another if he's faster than you. That's why abstractions exist, because enemy AI is dumb and unintuitive when it comes to complex bevharious. They just run towards you and you shoot. By giving you a chance to miss, you are effectively abstracting that idea.

>>507963764fuck loads after op post best post

>>507963717>Klamath and the Den are not even a week away.Doesn't stop a group from being isolated and creating their own little culture.>The Enclave are saturday cartoon villains that came from absolutely nowhere.What's wrong with having pre-war groups in a bunker?>>507963771I guess something is weird with that indeed, but fuck it, it's cool. Also, there's nothing wrong with spear chucking. Spears are good weapons, and would benefit any group in a wasteland type environment.

>>507963803>Do you have any idea how niche tabletop RPGs really are to the common man?To the common man, sure. But the common man is not the same as people who play Fallout or RPG games. DnD and tabletop hold a growing share in the internet "nerd culture" bubble, and my original point in the first place is that preserving or re-introducing tabletop gameplay elements would not be some archaic or alien idea to gamers.

>>507963783a man with sense that has actually played the original games ITT

>>507963764Stop projecting. Why do faggots on this website do this? Literally because you didn't like them, you declare and determine that NOBODY could have POSSIBLY really liked them, for the simple fact that you didn't. Get over yourself, fagtron.

>>507963764>and their stories and writing are nowhere near as good as people would have you believe.better than all of nu-fallout games. NV included

>>507964010>Doesn't stop a group from being isolated and creating their own little culture.Bruh, maybe if they were in some mountains or a canyon like Zion or some shit. They are literally on some shitty rotting plains.>What's wrong with having pre-war groups in a bunker?That was already done before and why would the Enclave be moving now after more than enough years since the radiation cleared up?

>>507963661>>507963626>That's the Japanese RPG genre, which aren't really RPGs, but are called such because that's what they're used to.No that's not the "Japanese RPG genre". It's simply the videogame RPG genre. Wizardry and Ultima or what have you, aren't fucking pen and paper roleplaying games nor freeform or any other kind of RPG. And they weren't sold or advertised as that either. They were games with mechanics adapted from pen and paper RPGs. And that's what made them RPGs. The Monkey Island games or whatever are adventure games and not RPGs even though they have choices. But games with mechanics from RPGs, are.

>>507963601The vault intro was definitely superior to FO3's vault intro, it actually felt like an RPG in which your character sheet mattered. Too bad after that it turns to shit.

>>507957706In terms of the environmental design F1's barren apocalypse handily beats the scrapheap neon-spaghetti western of FNV and the three-way split between modern, apocalypse & tribal of F2.Plot wise F1's also strongest although it really comes from just how I feel about how they portray the super mutants in that game, no other game in the series ever does them quite right even F2 and FNV which acknowledge how the power dynamic has changed. FNV though is a close second, the faction battle was pretty balls-y and although it falls short in some areas (mainly the second act) it overall pulls through. F2 for the first half is really strong, the mystique of the Enclave and the search for the GECK are great but after that things just kinda fall apart and the late game comes off kinda rushed.Between the three games big characters I think FNV pulls out ahead, House is such an enjoyable character and is still one of my favourite characters in the series as a whole, F1 is second and F2 is third although it's close. The Master is an incredibly enjoyable villain and I don't think the series will ever top him. Frank Horrigan's presence really makes F2 for me, dude's barely in the game but just that combination of the voice and visual of the character really makes him stand out.I wish that we'd get more games that looked at that hopeful but trying future of F2 but also games that returned to the barren apocalypse of F1. I honestly don't get why the series constantly needs to move forward in time especially when they never revisit old locations outside of F2, I mean yeah from the sense of the BoS' appearances in F3 and F4 they'd have to take place well after F1, F2 and Tactics but just the way the later games are portrayed from the macro sense they don't really move the recovery of mankind forward that much.

This guy gets Falloutyoutu.be/M8U4k2Ik6yk

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>>507964019That wasn't your main point.. You just said TRPGs were growing and got all mad when I said they weren't really

>>507964276Based post.

>>507964290/v/ has been saying this kind of stuff for years. But he is still right. I wonder why so many deny it so hard and refuse to accept it.

>>507964290oh god

>>507964290>FALLOUT IS THIS!>HOW DARE YOU PURCHASE THIS IP AND MAKE IT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTEssentially every video and complaint about Bethseda fallout

>>507964171the wiki about Arroyo >Two months later, the Vault Dweller headed north, to the great canyons, with a small group of former dwellers and wastelanders, and founded the village of Arroyo. Over time, their ragtag group turned into a minor tribe. The Vault Dweller fell in love with a member of the tribe named Pat, and they raised a family. The construction of Arroyo was completed on August 18, 2167. >the great canyonsNot sure about it>why would the Enclave be moving now after more than enough years since the radiation cleared up?Maybe they needed time to prepare themselves or their plans. I just dont' see anything wrong with introducing a new enemy.

>>507963497>Tactics>Not BoSI know, shotgun straffing, but at least I get to see the vault dweller one more time.

>>507964290>Shamus 'I Got Kicked Off of My Own Let's Play Series' YoungHahaha, no.

>>507964526This but Star Wars and people complaining about the new trilogy.

>>507964526Yeah, if you buy a franchise its fans would prefer if it stayed about the themes it had originally.Not a hard concept to grap.

>>507964592While I'm wrong about the location, eighty years isn't enough time to become degenerates.It doesn't make sense for the Enclave to be an enemy is the point. They want to remake America but are upset that the radiated population are different? Fucking really? What did they expect?

>>507964290Isn't that the guy who made that cringe worthy video where he spent like twenty minutes ranting about how Sony ruined Silver Sable in their new Spiderman game?

>>507964630Eh, the ST actually sucks as Fallout 3 and 4 have redeeming qualities and are good in some areas.>>507964645...Except 3 and 4 kept those themes even better than 2 did.

>>507964841>those themesWhich themes? Elaborate.

>>507964775That sounds like Mundane Matt. Shamus Young is a different kind of cringe. He's the cringe gamer journalist that thinks his opinion matters cringe. The cringe that is occasionally right about something but is still cringey and annoying.

>>507964916>War Never Changes>The Human Condition>Surviving in the face of AdversityVS>LOL, FUCKING OLD WORLD AMERICA UP THIS BITCH! >Here, have a sixth toe.

>>507964841>better than 2 did.Want a participation trophy?

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>>507962931>The Pitt was the best Fallout content ever

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>>507963507>Take say, Dark Souls. Or any action RPG. Remove character skill. And what are you left with? Not an RPG. You've got an action game then.how does this detract from anything he's saying? >if you remove the only RP component from a game, it's no longer an RPGdoesn't equal >there exists only one vital RP component

>>507964526Uh no, in the video he simply says Bethesda doesn't understand Fallout>"It’s not the 1950s. It’s the year 2077 as the people of the 1950s would have imagined it.">"But wait! It’s actually more complicated than that. It’s actually the world of 2077 as the people of 1997 imagined the people of 1950 would have imagined it. Actually, it’s even more subtle. It’s that world, but then that world was nuked into rubble, and spent 84 years trying to claw its way back towards civilization."Bethesda gleaned at it superficially, decided the series was basically 1950s but futuristic, and then marketed it as a slapstick comedy game

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>>507964761>eighty years isn't enough time to become degenerates.They're just trying to survive. The tents, the spears, the medicine, it all makes sense except in your mind who thinks it's primitive. In fact it's all quite practical. Maybe the superstition and shit is overblown, but isn't it fine? It's just a video game. But even today we have settlements almost like that in 3rd world countries, which aren't even so far from cities.>They want to remake America but are upset that the radiated population are different? Fucking really? What did they expect?Maybe they don't really want the people who will repopulate america to be impure? They need to start early.

>>507965082Oh hey, me and Avellone, an original Fallout Dev Writer, are of alike minds.

>>507965165Except it's not any of that.If that's literally what he says, he's just going on a fucking rant.

>>507965228They had guns. Where the fuck are those? Settlements like that are super fucking rare, my friend.>Maybe they don't really want the people who will repopulate america to be impure? They need to start early.Bruh, I'm going to tell you something that blows your mind.We are all filled with mutated genes. Genes mutate all the time, even when they're not passed on. There is no such thing as genetic purity, even on a racial basis.The Enclave is filled with nonsense.

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>>507965317>Except it's not any of that.How so?

>>507957706>Fallout 1Creatively concise game. It effectively establishes a world, mastefully creates tone/atmosphere, creates a very solid RPG system and tells a good, pulp sci-fi story. Its brevity is its strength but also weakness. It feels more like a novel, a specific journey with some minor side-tracks rather than an "Open world" experience. The Glow and Lost Hills still rank as some of the most atmospheric locations in the series. >Fallout 2 Improves mechanically on the first in every way. The development of the setting is interesting, and the tonal shift is different but not necessarily bad. From a grim post-nuclear world into the flowerings of a new society. The approach is very scattershot, however. The world feels like an open map to explore rather than a specific journey like the first, and the pacing of the game up to Vault City is nice in putting you through a low-tech ringer. Unfortunately the scattershot approach totally backfires in that the game is tonally inconsistent. The Enclave are good villains conceptually but their presentation is a little less naturally inclining as the Master and the Children of the Cathedral were. >Fallout New VegasSetting wise it is the perfect development/iteration of the world that Fallout 2 was building towards. The mythologization of America, the concept of "Tribals" being expanded upon beyond the basic spear-wielding twent dwellers of Arroyo into instead diverse and strange post-atomic cultures/factions linked by tribalism and family. The simple but effective factions set up in the first two games are given very deep introspections and are so fleshed out that they feel real, and are debated upon even a decade after release. I don't think I have ever seen a game effectively create real life political opinions just in the context of its own world as NV has. Playing as the "folk hero" Courier wandering the highways of the Wasteland adds another level to the experience. Overall, NV > 1 > 2

>>507965317>it's not right !cool argument you fucking queer

>>507965154A videogame is not an RPG without RPG mechanics. That's how it was for seemingly forever anyway. Then you had actors like Bioware or whatnot try to push the whole "But now our games can offer REAL ROLEPLAYING!" in their advertising as a means to stand out from the competition. But that's a marketing gimmick and has no impact on the genre itself. If games with nothing but RPG mechanics are recognized as RPGs in the context of videogames, then you can't just say that an action game with no such mechanics are somehow also an RPG just because you can play pretend.

>>507965229Most people will agree Fallout 2 is tonally inconsistent. Don't be a dishonest slime and try and conflate that with "Oh, well by proxy, Fallout 4 is actually good, no, better than Fallout 2!"

>>507965549>>507965569Civilization isn't some state of being or something that actually exists in any form.If anything, Fallout is a world where people are just trying to survive, something that's reflected in War Never Changes. Unlike in the past, it's just more trying because of the apocalypse.Civilization is an afterthought. Survival is forefront.

>>507965317It really is that though and some eceleb mirroring the words doesn't suddenly make it not true somehow.

>>507957706I need to buy a duster coat, but I never leave my house, and amazon won't sell me anything because I assaulted a delivery guy...

I'm glad the NV cult mostly fucked off so there can finally be honest discussion about the game instead of just>THE GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME>Which faction is best? x10000000000>haha big iron XD>Fuck Todd What do they eat?>Patrolling the Mojave makes me want to make the exact same thread with the exact same images and posts every day for 10 years straight

>>507965821Civilization has never been the theme of Fallout.It's surviving and how the conflict around survival doesn't change, i.e war.There were no actual nations in the first game. Just the Master on his warpath to end suffering and save humanity, ironically.

>>507965959Again with the victim complex. Go back to plebbit where this kind of vagina sweating is rewarded, and wanted.

>>507965959> Big Iron badWhy are you like this user?

>>507965082>>507965540oh look it's the sperg who 'left' obsidian because he thought he was a bigshot who outgrew the company and contributed some of the worst shit to new vegas

>>507966049>Civilization has never been the theme of Fallout.I didn't say that it was. But it existed. Even if it was in the background. Fast forward to Bethesda's Fallout and it doesn't even exist.

>>507966158lol, noThe Republic of Dave, bitch.

>>507965959finally the New Vegas fans left so we can talk about how the metro tunnels in 3 and Three Dog are friggin epic !dae think the basebuilding and dapper proper gentleman boston theme of 4 was epicsauce ???

>>507966049Shamus makes the same point>"You roam all over the place in Fallout 1, and you meet a lot of strange people. But nowhere in that voyage do you meet comical throwbacks to the old world. You don’t meet any greaser gangs. There aren’t any old-timey prohibition-era gangsters with tommy guns. No pinstripe suits, no letterman jackets, no horn-rim glasses, no pompadour haircuts or beehive hairdos, no baseball players, no sundresses, no neckties, no newsies, and not a single gumshoe. There aren’t any wacky DJs playing 200 year old doo-wop songs. The game is not subtle about this. The old world is fucking gone. Like, that’s the point.">"But then Bethesda got their hands on the Fallout license and they somehow thought it was about a 1950s-flavored apocalypse. That’s multiple layers of wrong. They took the 50s thing way too literally and too far, and then they brought it into the post-war ruins where it makes absolutely no sense. I don’t know if Bethesda did this because they don’t understand the setting, or if they thought it would be funny."

>>507966147Yes, even the sperg who wrote FO2 agrees that it is creatively shitty and only FO1 matters.

>>507966147Did you not see what became of Obsidian after he left?

>>507966063Not that guy, but he is right. The amount of New Vegas circlejerking you see on Holla Forums almost every day DOES get pretty obnoxious.

>>507965682>Roleplaying is not an RPG mechaniceven if you argued from a strictly semantical standpoint, the first games to ever try to emulate P&P RPGs in digital form were text adventures solely reliant on the player's knowledge of the game. regardless, this argument is meaningless when all people want is a more versatile roleplaying experience in their games true to "real" RPGs

>>507966310So they included ruins, which Fallout 1 & 2 also have.What's the big fucking deal? They didn't zone out the map whenever you left a settlement so you can automatically travel to the next one via mouse click?

>>507957706I got fallout 1 for free, is it actually worth playing? Gameplay looks a bit weird, same goes with talking to others.And Yes, I'm a zoomer.

>>507966273Oh yes. """"civilization"""".Children even inherited this wonderful town from their parents and then cared for it their entire lives as they built families of their own. And this magnificent epitome of civilization is the result.

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>>507965469>e are all filled with mutated genes. Genes mutate all the time, even when they're not passed on. There is no such thing as genetic purity, even on a racial basis.The point is, they have MORE mutation than usual, and it makes sense to start early before everyone repopulates with a bunch of bad fucked genes, from their perspective.I'm going to go eat but good talk

>>507966310The funny thing is Fallout 2 has a lot of those things he's ranting about in the first paragraph, especially New Vegas.

>>507966491Nigga are you dense? Did you read the post you're replying to?

>>507966623>Oh no! The world that was like the 50s when it ended has 50s shit in its ruins!Yes, I did.

>>507966531Yes, it's pretty good once you get the hang of it. Be sure to install the fixt mod!

>>507966435I'd still very much like to hear how Dark Souls without any RPG mechanics would still be considered an RPG. And if that's our standard, take a moment to consider just how many games would be considered RPGs too.

Dude Fallout 3 is amazing I don't get why it's constantly shitted on, I played that shit for days when I was like 10, and I didn't even have DLC's

>>507966531Drink lots of monster while you play. The shitty turn based combat will put you to sleep otherwise.

>>507966565>Shady Sands at its foundings

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>>507966692Yet you seem to deliberately ignore the fact that the quote is talking about the stuckiness of culture in the FPS Fallouts compared to the original ones.

>>507966776The story is retarded and the whole world makes no logical sense whatsoever. It's a fun game to just fuck around in and kill shit, but as an actual RPG it's fucking garbage.

>>507966531If you're expecting fast paced don't count on it, also the controls take a bit to get used to, I remember first playing F1 and it took a bit to figure out what all the major stuff did. F1 does an alright job getting the player accustomed but F2 definitely does it better.The plot of F1 is absolutely worth it though, it has easily the most consistent plot of the entire series and although doesn't have the highs of the later games it also doesn't really have the lows, it's pretty direction orientated and has much better pacing than the later games.

>>507966860>didn't review New Vegasconfirmed Bethesdrone.

>>507962534>With nothing to do in them. The Mojave was a boring map but it was packed with worthwhile narrative content. Factions, characters, quests and decisions. Bethesda make skinner-box loot dungeons with repetitive enemies and nothing of value.Mojave factions were shit and boring in any case. NCR is a cookie cutter typical tacticool wannabe nation and the legion are a bunch of costumed LARPers. Loot dungeons at least are plentiful and tell a short narrative using terminals that's far more charming than bad side quests that take themselves too seriously.>lolNot an argument. I accept your concession.>But the crafting is dogshit. The weapons are garbage visually, nothing feels unique or memorable to use, "Unique" weapons are Skyrim enchantments. Oh wait, did you mean that you can stuff 3000 types of lego-brick that means it's good? The Fallout 4 weapon crafting system is perhaps the best example of quantity vs quality I've seen in recent games.And yet, it's far better than anything from the west coast. Nice cope attempt though!>Except for the fact that it is so burdensome that barely anyone actually uses itAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the best proof that you're a blind hater. People love the power armor in 4 and 76. It's far better to be with it than without in basically every situation.

>>507966606Vegas actually does them with depth though. That is the crucial difference.Take the Kings for example. They have the surface level aesthetic gimmick of being post-nuclear Elvis impersonators. But if you take the Elvis aesthetic away entirely, they still serve a role in the narrative as a tribalistic street-gang with their own set of morals and questlines that involve how a local "native" population deals with or co-exists with an occupying force, especially when that occupying force is represnted by brutality and forcefulness but also investment and care in equal hands, because the occupying group isn't well-focused. The Kings would still be a compelling questline and narrative if they were called the Scorpions and had no gimmick. But if your faction, group or area becomes stick thin if you remove the gimmick, then it is worthless.

>>507966869And? We get far more remnants of that culture in New Vegas.Shamus is just complaining about shit being different.

>>507966750>add meaningful character dialogue >add non-combat solutions to combat problemsvoila

>>507966790Shady Sands really is worlds ahead.

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NV > 1 > shit >>>>> 2

>>507967076And? It still appears, which is his primary issue with it.Seriously, how can you read any of these grognard oldschool fallout worshipping rants as anything but complaining about shit not being what they want it to be?

>>507967071>Mojave factions were shit and boring in any case.Wrong. You have shit taste fit for an ape. >Not an argument. I accept your concession.I wrote lol because yes 4 and 76 are graphically better than NV, but by the standards of literally any other games 4 and 76 are ugly dogshit that run terribly. The gunplay, similarly, is incompetent compared to the majority of games currently released. That's why it's funny. >And yet, it's far better than anything from the west coast. Nice cope attempt though!Except it's not. People still talk about NV's weapon selections, people still remember NV's unique weapons. Vegas has a far better weapons roster than 4 or 76. Seethe. >AHHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is the best proof that you're a blind hater. People love the power armor in 4 and 76. It's far better to be with it than without in basically every situation.Wrong in my experience. Most people saddle their suits up at a garage and don't bother with it.

>>507966359Obsidian is literally what it always wasThey were always incompetent at managing financesAll the people who made my favorite games from that studio are still thereThey are just forced to make shovelware now because they were bought by microsoft and they can't make ends meet

>>507967383b-but muh deadlineswe wuz forced into making shit games!

>>507967179>only one entrance>no way to look over walls and keep a lookout>no stairs to the roof of buildingsThey really didn't think this through did they....

>>507965001Cringe

>>507966776The story of F3 is (like most Fallout games) split between two halves. You have the parental plot of the player and their father and the big war plot of the BoS and the Enclave. The two mesh better than some of the other games (F4 in particular) but they should've just stuck with the former, the Enclave really didn't need to be in F3 (hell neither did the BoS, Deathclaws or Super Mutants), if they'd made F3 are more adventure focused plot, taking the sort of globe-trotting approach of F1 but made it more personal I think would've made for a stronger narrative and more consistent plot.You'd have to create a new villain or just rework Col. Autumn since he could function in that position, the thing is though that the stakes in F3 don't match the story it's trying to tell, if it was just the Big War Story then the stakes would make sense although I think that's the weaker of the two halves of the game, I was never really that engaged in the plight of the BoS and the Enclave were less scheming than in F2 (not to say they were just evil BoS but they were a far cry from the fucking with things from behind the scenes of their F2 counterparts).

>>507967124F/SN. My favourite RPG. Runner ups including Mario Sunshine and Ape Escape.

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>>507967179ngl I really like the Shady Sands-Vault City-NCR aesthetic of the buildings, it comes off pretty distinct from the Pre-War Ruins and is honestly more interesting visually than shit like Rivet City, New Vegas or Diamond City because it's not just this scrapheap that's been glistened up.

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>>507967713Yeah one of the bigger missteps of NCR's portrayal in NV was not having their adobe/sandcrete buildings crop up.

>>507967179>the first town in fallout 1 has livestock, crops and vegetables>newly built adobe houses>clean>no pre war shit aside from maybe clothes>fallout 3>TOWN BUILT AROUND NUCLEAR BOMB AND IT'S ALL THRASH AND THERE'S A JET ENGINE AT THE GATE>THERE ARE CRAZED RETARDS PRAYING TO THE BOMB AND DRINKING THE NUCLEAR POISON !!!>HUGH HEFNER WANTS THE TOWN GONE !

>>507967713>>507967771but what do they eat/build the buildings from?

>>507967560While flaws still remain it at the very least improved a lot over the years.

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>>507967179More like Shady Sandniggers

>>507967325>Wrong. You have shit taste fit for an ape.Enjoy your boring D-list movie tier "factions">I wrote lol because you're rightThanks.>Except it's not. People still talk about NV's weapon selections, people still remember NV's unique weapons. Vegas has a far better weapons roster than 4 or 76. Seethe.That's a whole lot a shit that has nothing to do with NV's lackluster crafting.>Wrong in my experience. Most people saddle their suits up at a garage and don't bother with it.Simply go to any internet forum and take a poll on the general opinion of the new power armor. Most love it. Your group of "OLD GOOD NEW BAD" autists aren't representative of anything of value.

>>507967916I really like it

>>507967908You can literally see their brahmin and crops!

>>507967916>New California Republicfucking lolit's a fancy little shit city.

>>507968030But how did they make the buildings? What did they make them from?That's a very significant plothole here

>>507967116>And? We get far more remnants of that culture in New Vegas.Of course we do, it's been 204 years since the bombs first dropped so we should expect some top tier civilization by now and not to mention the steps Mr House took to ensure the Mojave wouldn't be a desolate crater which makes the setting a special case.

>>507967908Farms, it's established that some food in the post-war is hardy enough to grow in the barren wasteland of the West Coast or the dusty canyons of New Vegas. Also I could honestly see the NCR adopting a roof farm solution to minimize space usage, especially given that the way they're portrayed in NV I get the impression that they grew a really big population hence the rapid expansion, which also leaves this vacuum of the more recent territory they've claimed where you'd get more influence in the architecture from the native culture of the people's they absorbed into the NCR whereas those closer to the capital would have the more homogeneous looking big city with a sort of more built-up looking series of buildings compared to those seen in F2.

>>507967908>>507968157TL note: "adobe" means "mudbrick".

>>507967908Vault 15's GECK provided detailed instructions and components on how to build sandcrete/adobe structures, according to the Fallout Bible.

>>507957706>trilogythere was only one good game in that set and it was Fallout 1

>>507968157en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdobeThere you have

>>507968268where the fuck did they find that in a barren wasteland?>>507968241still shit he complains about

>>507958975it actually is, if you have a life, and by a mile

>>507967735*rolls*

>>507968276what a cheap ass excuse

>>507968359An adobe brick is a composite material made of earth mixed with water and an organic material such as straw or dung. You just need dirt and brahmin shit

>>507959193>spending hours on combathow does it feel, to be a worthless piece of shit with no contribution to humanity?

>>507968359You realize real life primitive cultures built adobe in the American Southwest, right.

>>507968528ohso the shady sandniggers live in literal shithousesfucking lol

>>507968564they weren't living in an apocalyptic wasteland with little to no animals

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>>507959690>Yes, it's a decent turn-based system.>turn-based>anything but vomit-inducingDarkest Dungeon and Mistover are already hard to accept, but you want to sell me the shit that any Fallout before 3 is?Fuck straight off, you neet piece of shit leech of society.People actually have lives, spouses, kids and jobs to attend, no sane and normal human would give a game more than 3-4 hours in a LONG gaming session.If you can stay playing vidya for more than 10 hours, like I did when I was a highschool loser, is your life really worth living? Neck yourself. Please do it now.

>>507968653>little to no animals*Proceeds to die to a bunch of molerats*

>>507968660Okaynow where do they get their water in a desert?

>>507968743from the well. You can clearly see it in the picture.

>>507959990>zoomer>not wanting to spend an unreasonable ammount of time watching pixels move slowly and doing barely any progress in a worthless virtual entertainment which doesn't contribute to your life in any significative waywheeze, I bet you think your WoW levels add to your real-life value as well, don't you?

>>507968703You sound frustrated, maybe you should fuck off with your normalfag standards, this is a videogame themed forum.

>>507967383>All the people who made my favorite games from that studio are still there>>507966359if you are talking about Outer Worlds, then know that Josh Sawyer didn't actually work on it, but he's still at the studio though. I feel like he was the main guy behind most of New Vegas' soul. Lets hope that they have another first person RPG in works (maybe a fallout clone?) and that Josh works on it.

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>>507968703>People actually have lives, spouses, kids and jobs to attendYou don't, so why does it matter to you?

>>507968736those are all complete bullshit and you know itseriously, how the fuck are the wastes so infested with them

>>507968539Again, there's a combat speed slider in the option, if you're too retarded to find it or if you've never played it, your opinion is invalid.>>507968703Very very poor bait, especially considering we're on Holla Forums. Anyone posting on Holla Forums is a loser by definition.

>>507968462In what way. It's a detailed explanation for a minor detail.

>>507968795Oh shit, you had to think long and hard about what MMO to blast me with and you went with fucking WoW?How fucking old are you, 11?

>>507968792how the hell did they figure to make a well there in that specific spot?

>>507968851Tim CaineJosh Sawyer Leonard Boyarsky

>>507968359>where the fuck did they find that in a barren wasteland?I pointed out a few possible places where they could've acquired the necessary earth in this image.

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>>507968990Garden of Eden Creation Kit

>>507968568I'd live in a literal shithouse any day over living out my life under a rusty sheet of metal with holes in it together with just one wall and no protection from the wind or barely even protection from the elements at all.

>>507968916supplementary materail explaining something that should've been in the game itself

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All that matters when it comes to Fallout. New Vegas is my favorite because I was too young to enjoy the originals when I played them/had my brother help me play them as a child, but I loved the stories and design. Going back, Fallout 2 holds up, but it's an artifact of its time, slow and a bit clunky. The role playing is spot on though. New Vegas feels like a modern package, and I really enjoy it, and with mods it's really an expansive role playing adventure with a lot of options and tons to do.

>>507968990How did Neolithic Man in ~5,000BC?

Overrated series for pseudo-intellectuals. At least the first two games have serviceable gameplay and don’t run on a shitty engine though.

>>507969038So it created water for them or just picked out a place?

>>507968851>Lets hope that they have another first person RPG in works (maybe a fallout clone?) and that Josh works on it.segmentnext.com/2020/02/24/obsidian-next-gen-aaa-rpg/I definetely smell a Fallout clone here. Josh Sawyer said on his blog that he can't talk about his next project and since he didn't work on Outer Worlds, he will probably direct this one.

>>507969038GECK wasn't a thing until after FO1.

>>507969146Well, you see, they dug into the ground and water came up.they knew water was in the ground from that point and started building a well

>>507968990the inhabitants of Shady Sands are descendants of the vault dwellers of Vault 15they learned about basic survival and agriculture from their GECK or just by reading books from the vault

>>507969072You're grasping at straws very embarassingly. You tried to throw the "what do they eat" accusations that is levied at Fallout 3 towns, meant to be an example of how even a surface level question can't be answered by Bethesda's worldbuilding, and instead it was answered competently and you are now pointlessly drilling as far as you literally can into logistics because you're just digging your own argumentative grave. Please stop for everyone's sake.

>>507968990If you dig deep enough then it's plausible to find water. Also they can have attempted to built numerous wells. That the town is even there at all is probably precisely because they struck water there.

Fallout should've died with interplayBethesda fallout isn't canon

Favourite OST coming through:youtu.be/T8j_KgAgOnw>>507958171Pretty based, won't lie.>>507958732This guy's a faggot, though.

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>>507969239It's literally mentioned in the Fallout 1 manual.

>>507969254I should not have to read a book to watch a movie/play a game

>>507958732Zoomer here, combat in classic Fallout 1-2 actually feels fun. The only thing I can't stand is the absurd pixel-clicking nonsense for finding items. However it's not perfect, companion AI is fucking dogshit in Fallout 1, and I haven't played enough Fallout 2 to know if it's improved.

>>507969239It has its own section in Fallout 1's manual.

>>507969407>>507969475Yes, manual that was written after the game was finished.There's no mention of GECK anywhere in FO1, it existed in the manual as a sequel bait and they went with it for FO2.

>>507969408Correct, and you don't have to. If you want to learn the detailed logistics of how Tandi and her father built the Adobe walls that surround the town, that is more of a nitty detail that is acceptably explained elsewhere, because it is massively unimportant. You just keep digging.

>>507969475i should not have to read a manual to understand events in a game

I've played the in game music and radio to death, anyone got any playlists or recommendations for some music to listen to for a new vegas run?>>507967735 Might as well roll this too

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>>507969590It's massively important in a nuclear wasteland.Turns out Shady Sands fails the What do they eat argument to its very core, ha

>>507969254It's hilarious because literally everything he's asking about has an answer withing the game and he's just embarrassing himself>>507969408have you tried looking at the game, bitch>>507968660>>507968862>>507969025>>507969115

>>507969445>companion AI is fucking dogshit in Fallout 1Yeah, they fucking suck. People complain about NV companions but FO1 companions can't even equip armor, do proper damage to mutants, or have interesting comments.They are just extra targets and most of the time all the enemies just flock to you anyway so fuck them.

>>507969025wtf, i didn't know sandy sands had this east side.

>>507957706Killing Everything and nuking vegas, the NCR and The legion is canonHail Ulysses and the Angry postal dude

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>>507969717still doesn't explain shit

>>507968359He's complaining about how its executed in the Bethesda games.How Bethesda does it:>"In Fallout 4, we meet pic related. He sounds like a baseball player. He’s dressed like a baseball player. He’s obsessed with his misunderstood version of baseball that he thinks people played before the war. He makes and sells baseball bats. He’s goofy and absurd. How can this guy ever sell enough baseball bats to feed himself? He makes no sense. Fallout 4 takes place in Boston, real-world Bostonians are stereotypically baseball fans, therefore we get this guy. A one-note joke character. A wacky goofball."Now here's how Obsidian did it>"Contrast that with the way the legion uses old-world sports equipment in Fallout New Vegas. You can find Legion soldiers running around in football gear, but they’re not treated as joke characters. They don’t see themselves as football players. They don’t talk in football idioms or act like a football team. They don’t know about old-world football and they don’t care what the gear was originally used for. They just found some sports equipment and realized it would make for good armor. The humor comes from the absurdity of seeing these harmless and mundane objects adopted unironically by an army of vicious murderers and slavemasters. Again, this fits with the theme that the old world died and Mad Max rose out of the ashes."

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>>507964841>Eh, the ST actually sucks as Fallout 3 and 4 have redeeming qualities and are good in some areas.But ST has redeemable qualities as well.

>>507969745You're forgetting the best part of companions in fallout 1. Their propensity for shooting you in the back with a machinegun.

>>507969781they have brahmin and crops to eatthey have water from the wellthey made the houses out of mud and mud bricksthey learned how to do this from being inhabitants of Vault 15 where they taught survival tactics

>>507968972And this how you spot a Obsidian Interplay Trannywho probably forgets that everyone in 1999/2000 HATED fallout 2 while praising BG and other Turn based RPG Games.Fallout 2 and GURPS were always garbage systems that poorfags who couldn't buy Minis and lived with their parents in their basedment loved it.

>>507969687Except it doesn't, because the core is "what do they eat". This is answered in the Brahmin and crops, both of which have quests connected to them (stopping the scorpions culling their food supply and helping them learn crop rotation). The question of their water source is answered in the town's well. Then it comes to, well, Shady Sands is a "new world" community built after the bombs. So where did they get the building materials? If the walls were brick or concrete, this would be a problematic question. Except, the Devs picked adobe. A material that is explicitly simplistic and easy to acquire ingredients for, then build, and has a history of having some so by societies in the American deserts. It literally answers its own question by its visual design. They chose Adobe as the new world building style for that very reason. You're going to reach bedrock soon, user, with all that digging.

>>507969785He's making a comparison about this one off joke, a fucking joke you can straight up tell the guy he's so fucking wrong, to an entire faction.What the hell is this guy's problem? Why can't we have fun?

Why didn't plants overtake everything?

>>507959865Enclave back then was called a Sorry ass excuse of Saturday morning villain out of late GI Joe episodes

>>507970045>>507970109NONE OF THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED IN GAME! NONE OF THAT WAS SPECIFIED!jesus, you guys are thick headed

>>507970157Radioactive fallout I guess

>>507970248>Literally resorting to "just turn your brain off!"Bethesda babbies, everyone.

>>507969398For me it's Metallic Monksyoutube.com/watch?v=UkoA2iC7LCUHonestly it should be the series' main theme for how well it reflects the series;- The Great War's shadow (Sirens)- Barren, apocalyptic wasteland (Low radiating tones)- Return to a less advanced humanity (Instrument choices)- War never changes attitude (Marching)

>>507970291I quite literally explained to you in my post how all of it is explained in the game. Are you mentally unwell? Are you having trouble following? Can you read okay?

>>507970291I know you're trolling but still, you should stop.

>>507970105>HATED fallout 2Hahaha, no.Nice try fagolas but some of us were actually alive back then.

>>507970291EEEEERRRRRGHHH wrong bitch !They talk about eating the brahmin the mission about radscorpionsTheir livestockAradesh talks about building the village which includes the adobe houses that you can clearly see and the wellhope it helps

>>507970430It wasn't given in the game. You don't ask Tandi's tight little ass or her shitty father how they came by their shit. Apparently, a manual is an acceptable thing to give out crucial information.>>507970473Yet you still respond.

>>507970105further proof that the tranny boogieman shit is underage faggots trying to fit in

>>507970748I'll explain again. Crops and cows are presented in game. New walls and buildings visibly being made of adobe and not concrete or wood = explains itself .

>>507970109The irony of the "What do they eat" question is that Bethesda tried to address it in Fallout 4 but failed to see the larger point of the question which is "How does this place function?" You can find large farms next to tiny shacks populated by one person throughout the game, it's like someone watched the MrBTongue video and got offended so now every living space has large fields.

>>507970748I have faith in civilized discussion. It's hard with all the namecalling and purposeless obnoxiousness but from now and then there are actually well structured and informed posts.Also that was my first reply to you and this is my last. Goodbye.

>>507964290>>507964418you finished a 20 minutes video in 2 minutes? this isn't a place for you to shill your shit over here m8

>>507970325I really love this experimental type of music. It really conveys the horror of the wasteland through the unsettling sounds. Much much better than the happy up beat Fallout 3/4 where everyone is happy and the music is more of an epic adventure. youtube.com/watch?v=I29bgJLxm8M

>>507960654>outrageous is the same as dumbguess who´s the dumb one here

So why the hell didn't they have this guy working on The Outer Worlds? It was meant to be a Fallout like kind of game after all and this chad worked on New Vegas.

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PSA: the Holla Forums intelligence bureau discovered on Q&A, before a thread deletion, that the Shills who defends Interplay's bullshit and obsidian SJW bullshit are from Codex and NMA, said bureau discovered their connection with RESETERA, mainly their infamous Discord group who has pedos, Poop Smelling Degenerates and Drug junkies receeiving free money from the dem party to shill everywhere.One of the biggest autists who comes up here shiling them is the tranny fucker and closeted faggot known as Hboomerguy.Also Codex and NMA are still anal from the day when /tg/ secretly raided their hivemind and shown thay know shit about Roleplaying games, from PC to Tabletop.They hate /tg/ til this day and even deleted the threads and any references to it due to how they got their asses kicked by a bunch of old neckbeards.

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>>507970748vault dwellers are taught survival skills like how to dig a wellthis is stated not in the manual but the game itself during character creationThe outdoorsman skillhope it helps !

>>507970121>just turn your brain off my guy!No

>>507971181The people who invented talking deathclaws, and talking molerats, and talking plants.

>>507971101>you finished a 20 minutes video in 2 minutes?No I saw the video about two months ago and remembered its contents. Maybe not word for word but well enough. And for what it's worth I rewatched it now.

>>507970748>You don't ask Tandi's tight little ass or her shitty father how they came by their shit.fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Shady_Sands#Referencesctrl f ".MSG"

>>507971303That makes significantly more sense and is an ingame source. I will relent...for now.

>>507971252He smells like s_o-y and the beard delivers it

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>>507971252He was busy on Deadfire

>>507971252Outer Worlds was absolute garbage, I dropped it half way through. It comes no where near New Vegas.

>>507970121>about this one off joke, a fucking jokeIt kind of stops being a one off joke when they've got jokes like all throughout their games.

>>507971252He only works on gay isometric Baldur's Gate clones now because that's his favorite genre

>>507971289fucking lol

>>507971289Glad to see you've conceded now that you've been thoroughly BTFO

>>507971472>for now.o shid

>>507971289>Also Codex and NMA are still anal from the day when /tg/ secretly raided their hivemind and shown thay know shit about Roleplaying games, from PC to Tabletop.>They hate /tg/ til this day and even deleted the threads and any references to it due to how they got their asses kicked by a bunch of old neckbeards.Any screencaps of this?

>>507971491he's a liberal, but he's not that obnoxious and retarded about it>>507971620I watched his videos and he said that he would love to work on another New Vegas like game. He also said that he doesn't like fantasy shit despite working on it and would prefer to make a realistic medieval game, but obsidian never lets him.

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>>507971584and?

>>507971289The Venn diagram between /tg/ and NMA users is a single circle you retard.

>>507957706It shouldn't be just trilogy

>>507971465lol, the timeline is all fucked upgood job interplay

Thoughts on the New Vegas dlcs?

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>>507972278Honest Hearts>Dead Money>Lonesome Road>Old World BluesHH could use more side missions though.

>>507971857I meant isometric RPGs in general not necessarily fantasy>he's a liberal, but he's not that obnoxious and retarded about itSawyer is a full blown Marxist

>>507971645Ok faggot streamer who defends children multilation on stream using a garbage donkey kong game.>>507971774all of it is lost, Those faggots went on to infiltrate /tg/ using the D&D board, since Wizards and D&D became the GLS pedowood game, and even got their way as janitors./tg/ is becoming a fuckfest nowadays because of them.even 40k threads became shit with them derailing it when someone calls out Geedubs recent choices of female sculpts and their retarded push for "SOCIAL INCLUSION".their newest bullshit is now calling most of TES theories and lore as Reddit boogieman fanfiction on /tgesg/.>>507971864>using political bullshit on /tg/ and the liberal forum which its members received a press from the Feds for sending death threats and stalking bethesda members because of Fo3, but kept a blind Eye to Interplay.Laughable.

>>507972426>Honest Hearts>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dead Money>Lonesome Road>Old World BluesFixed that for youthe other ones fuck the lore too much

>>507971491S*y as a word has lost all meaning, Holla Forums would call Mr. Rogers a s*iboi if he was still alive today

>>507957706Based and soulpilled.

>>507967383wouldn't an MS buyup bring them more capital to invest though?

>>507972949He was one though.

>>507972949He's in hell which will be the fate of all disney related employees

>>507960735>absolute state of Holla Forums

>>507972624>all of it is lost

>>507972278I never played the Lonesome Road so I can't talk about that one.Honest Hearts > Dead Money > Old World BluesHonest Hearts feels like an actual adventure, even the intro which tricks you into thinking is just an escorting merc job is well thought. I seriously was invested in the escorting mission because of the guy with the broken Pip-boy was a well placed NPC. Then shit hits the fan and you're into this beautiful landscape (the mojave desert is boring to look at and walk throught, the canyon is beautiful and the terrain doesn't feel plane) with a well defined conflict. Also Joshua is the best, his voice and backstory are insanely good. Besides all that the resolution is entirely up to you and are well inmersed with the characters dilemma.>Dead MoneyAlso pretty good but for diferent reasons. It manages to turn the game into a lite survival horror. The ghosts are an actual threat and the explosive collars make you stay constantly on the look out (more like hear out amirite?). The antagonist is well defined, the party members fun and diverse and the resolution is also well thought. A fun treasure hunt with with a theme well accopled to the one of New Vegas Inb4 what is the theme, this game is retarded the theme is to embrace innovation and to learn to let go, just like the NCR and the Legion are stuck trying emulate the past, you get stuck if you don't learn to let go in the Sierra Madre>Old World BluesComedy sci-fi. It's shit aimed towards meme spouting faggots. I hated everything on it. The NPCs were irritating and the only good thing to come out of it is the loot.

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>>507972278Crap. Dead Money is the only DLC worth playing. Lonesome Road and Honest Hearts are mediocre as hell and Old World Blues is just cringey Reddit tier humour.

>>507973680Lonesome road > dead money > old world blurs >>>>>>>>> honest hearts

>>507958118fpbp>>507958171yep, it's based