This ending was the worst thing possible, retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthless...

>>507944164no

>>507944287You don't actually believe what you say

>>507944215>n-no it's not worthless look the game said so Yeah doesn't work like that

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>>507943167>and doesn't even make any sense.Yeah, it's like one of these "it was all just a dream" cop out.>>507944215And if they told you that sucking dicks is not gay would you also mindlessly parrot that opinion?

>>507943934Games 1 and 2 happendGames 3 Which is game 53 in the game happens and says game 1 and 2 are games in that game and as such are fiction in fiction.This makes people mad because people can't handle being told there fiction is more fiction than they orginally thought.For a fun fact, in game 2 you play in a fictional computer world, meaning most of game 2 is fictional in a fictional game in a fictional show in a fictional game.META

>>507944606sucking dicks isn't inherently gay, so yes.

>>507944247A "fictional story" within another "fictional story" is still canon within its own context/universe, idiot. Fuck, just the fact that Ultra Despair Girls 2 even exist within the universe of V3 proves their hopes peak saga is different from ours, to begin with. Not that hard to figure out.

>>507943167>brainlets still getting btfo by v3based

>>507944630That sounds unbelievably retarded

>>507944913It's kino you wouldn't understand.

>>507944904Don't call me an idiot that's totally uncalled for and very impolite. I fail to see how your rationalisation is making anything better. You've merely applied new label to the matter, but the problem is still the same.

>>507944913He explained it in a retarded way.

>>507944164It'd be more like if Breaking Bad had a movie with a completely different cast of characters and a different setting with barely any relation to the show other than some themes and motifs and in the end they reveal Breaking Bad is a tv show. Wow, no shit its a tv show. But inside its own fiction its real, just like every other piece of fiction.

>>507944913It is

>>507945160>Don't call me an idiot that's totally uncalled for and very impolite.where do you think we are

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>>507943167again we have another danganronpa thread...i love the series I do but its clear you faggots can not understand it no matter how simple it is. both those who like and dislike the ending.ill say it once, the universe in v3 and 1 and 2 are different. the name 'v3' alone is enough to tell you that, now google the danganronpa 3 anime since you're obviously confused

>>507943795>they are so "sadistic" they watch 50+ seasons of schoolkids killing each other>suddenly decide to completely end danganronpa because a virgin told them soyeah, I don't buy it

>Main character literally goes on a rant about how that can't be true and even if it is that doesn't matter>IT'S RUINED - actual babiesThis is like saying DR2 is ruined by the twist at the end.

weve established this already 5 or so times within the last 24 hoursdangantranny was the worst possible thing form the start

>>507944913Yeah but players should of had any expectations of the series murdered by trial 1-3 anyways so whatever.You know I forgot you actually play a video game in an arcade cabinet in 2 so you can add another layer of "game in a game" to that if you want.

>>507944164Retarded.A better example is if Breaking Bad had a follow up TV show that wound up being a story about a drug lord emulating the actions of Walter White in Breaking Bad, which is a TV show in the new show's universe.It doesn't cheapen the previous work at all, it just uses the previous work as a narrative device while literally preserving it so it CAN'T be ruined.

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>>507945160How so, dipshit? Honestly, explain how 1-3 also being video games/anime within the context of v3 impacts 1-3 in any way what so ever? These were never real people in the first place, it's an extra layer of meta bullshit it doesn't change anything about them.

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>>507945182You really dont understand how its way harder to be invested in a fiction that's fictional even in the context of its story? Or do you deliberately chose to take an autistic stand on the matter without taking human emotions in perspective?

>>507944164>Imagine if it was all a computer simulation in the future?This is literally the worst fucking franchise to make that argument with, 10/10 i can't believe people are actually responding

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>>507945538>fiction that's fictional even in the context of its story?But DR1 and 2 aren't fictional inside itheir story. Well except 2 kind of is, but not in the way you're saying.

>>507945538Are Alan Wake and by extension Control ruined because Alan Wake was a TV show in Quantum Break?

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>he believed Tsumugi's lies

>>507943167Its an alternate reality, it doesnt invalidate the last two games autismo

>>507945513I already explained it, if you can't understand it you must be litteraly autistic, which is fine to each their own but don't get mad at normal people for having normal reactions

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>this thread again

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>>507945785Normal people don't get filtered by basic-bitch plot twist, dumbass. Stop projecting because you're to stupid to understand the plot of a jap visual novel.

>>507945314>Watching a TV that does the same thing over and over which is going stale>Last season has trash ending and a bad story>drop the tv showsDanganronpa was already going stale, ench why they introduced the robot (which is supposed to be the self inserted audience). Also in the danganronpa universe, everyone is more cynical than normal. Think as if the world population was made of 4chan users.

And then the characters learn to grow from it as a person even if it's fictional and healthily accept the end, because spoiler alert danganronpa is fake and is overholy shit, imagine being less mentally well adjusted than anime characters

>>507945610GOD I wish that were me on the left

>>507944913You don't understand because your a brainlet, unlike me, an intellectual

>>507945314Children often break their toys when they get bored/tired of them.

>>507943167v3 was literally stated from the day of its reveal to be set in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSE FROM 1 AND 2.If you for some reason think that having 1 and 2 be fictional within the completely different universe of v3 ruins them then I would hate to listen to your bitching after playing a single Final Fantasy game.

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>>507945681They're part of a franchise, v3 change the canon of 1 and 2, making all the characters actually just a bunch of crazy teenagers with a death wish who got litteraly (Litteraly!) brainwashed.

>>507946343No?

>>507943167>retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthlessso did 2 with its VR bullshitso did 3 with its revival bullshitIt baffles me people continue to defend this trash heap

>>507943167WAIT, DR1 AND 2 ARE FICTION? THEY DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN? NOOOOO

The fictional timeline of V3 doesn't even fucking match the actual timeline of the the previous entries.>Junko Enoshima the 53rd because there's always a Junko in every game>Junko never showed up once in DR3's killing gameI find it hilarious that people take the word of the character whose entire archetype is making shit up at face value literal fact.

>>507946469I would argue that the end of 2 was less offensive, tho pretty bad too. The end of 1 was also shit but not in a too offensive way, the problem is not that it cheapen everything that happened, it's that it doesn't deliver on the mysteries that were teased during the whole game.

>>507946539Fictions within fictions make you need to suspend your disbelief twice to get involved, which is litteraly impossible. A fiction within a fiction can not possibly be fully appreciated.

>>507946023it still was popular in their universe>>507946169>childrenpic>>507946587>all the unintentional plot holes make the game even more genius

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>>507943670your mum is fiction

>>507946883>the audirnce is a bunch of faggotsLiterally made for v. They're manchildren in a wicked world where they don't give two shit about human's life.

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>>507943167You're dumb, user.

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>>507946728>doesn't deliver on the mysteriesmaybe i'm the minority here but I prefer not all mysteries be told and let the imagination run wild. Something I like about 1 is that you don't know what the fuck is happening outside at any time and you couldn't not trust junko to tell you. That shit being trapped inside atmosphere is what i love most about 1 and as the series went on it lost that sense of mystery even in V3 because LOL it's fiction. give me a break.

>>507947403I agree but not having a look at the outside word at the end gave me massive blue balls

>>507947259holy shit based

>>507943167>3 years later and brainlets who unironically thought the overarching story of DR was good still seethe over the endinglmao

Would people actually participate to the show? Given that your memory and personality is altered, effectively making you another person, you couldn't even relie on yourself to win. Plus they all know from watching previous show that only suffering waits them, so what gives? >they're masoshistics First of all masochism doesn't work like that, it doesn't mean people enjoy any kind of suffering. But even then given that their personalities are modified they wouldn't enjoy it anyways.

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>>507949256No the overarching story was always shit, the ending of v3 just managed to make everything retroactively even worse, even if I must admit calling it all a fiction within a fiction is a fairly good in-universe explanation for their hack writing.

>>507943167>retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthlessDanganronpa 3 already took that honor, you ape.

>>507949753>reatroactively even worseNo it didn't.

>>507943167I mean 1 and 2 ronpas have stories outside of schools which proves they are not fictional like 3.

>>507943167brainlet filtered

>>507949526If that gives me the chance to go to the love hotel with a pianist qt then hell yeah. All the killers are absolutely retarded anyways.

>>507944164The point Danganronpa makes is that even if it was this way, it shouldn't matter.Why a story within a story is less impactful than a story in your life?

>>5079499152 is literally VR. it's fiction. thank you 3 for confirming it.

ULTIMATEREAL FICTION

>>507949526It's essentially government assisted suicide at worst and a chance to be rich and famous at best so yes absolutely they would

>>507950038Need to suspend my disbelief twice, which is legit impossible to do and if you say overdose you're probably just unable to actually suspend your disbelief

>>507950054Well yea but it's confirmed that real world looks quite different in first two games.

The only thing DRv3 did wrong was having the absolute worst third chapter of the entire series, which was already infamous for terrible 3rd chapters.

>>507950331That's 7/8 chance of dying horribly is it really worth it?

>>507950054Vr isn't fiction tho.

>>507946343Literally "You've got that wrong!"I don't know how THIS is what you missed.The reveal of Tsumugi and Team Danganronpa is that DR1-3 (+UDG & 0 but those aren't namedropped) exist and existed as video games and an anime. But, across however many decades crossing into centuries later, the demands of the fanbase for more and more had the series branch out harder and harder in terms of genre and even media forms.Tsumugi explicitly couldn't cosplay the cast of 1 and 2 if they weren't entirely fictional.We just don't know the point when it became a volunteer-casted game show; the "Ultimate Real Fiction." Rantaro survived 52 to become a contestant again, and the format was growing somewhat stale enough they went with the gimmick of K1-BO. That's ALL we have to go off of.Kodaka left the series with an endpoint, with the open ended nature of letting a LOT to be done with it. The only confliction with what V3 lays out is if:>DR4-10 have different names than what he did>There aren't another 49 Junkos between DR4 and DR52, counting AI Junko and arguably Monaca as the 2nd and 3rd.>DR52 isn't a volunteer-casted URF with Rantaro bouncing out of it with the deal he returns next season.

>>507944913yeah, just like all of the endings in this franchise

>>507943167>Retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthlessNo, they do not, rather than die a shell of it's former self, Kodaka wanted to leave the series as it is, while still having the feelings and heart that the series gives off intact; hope and despair. The despair is, those stories aren't even real in their own universe, and they're just lies and fiction to entertain a people. The characters you love and like and hate aren't even real in the game's own canon, Chiaki is TRIPLe not real. But the hope is, those stories still have value. They aren't worthless. They're lies, yes. They still say something, and they still might mean something to someone. They still have value to go through even if the final game looks to be undercutting it. And that's your hope.And I'd honestly rather have that than the series continue going. And if it does continue going, I'll be upset.>Killed the series for goodWe can only fucking hope, given they're making announcements.

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What the fuck? So they were actually just toy models the whole time? I can't believe they ruined the entire Gundam series just like that.

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>>507950664Got it, I still find it bad but much less offensive, guess I was wrong

>>507950493If you're some depressed sack of shit who wants to jump off a building anyway you have literally nothing to lose and everything to gain

>>507950401That is by far 2.V3 at least has the kino of Korekiyo's absolute non-breakdown."Seesaw trick" memes aside.Having someone in a class trial go "Ok, you got me. I killed Tenko. But that doesn't have a damn thing to do with Angie's murder so you're still looking for who the blackened is. Tenko's murder isn't the one we have to solve." is one of the best moments out of the game.

>>507946878It's not really a fiction within fiction because DR1, 2 and 3 still exist as separate works from V3 in our world. Fiction within fiction would be something like Demon AngelPretty Pudgy Princess, it only exists in DR1's story and you couldn't watch it in real life.

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>>507943167>Killed the serie for goodfriendly reminder that we are getting a new anime, a new mainline game, and potentially a spinoff game this year

>>507950850>But the hope is, those stories still have value. They aren't worthless. They're lies, yes. They still say something, and they still might mean something to someone. They still have value to go through even if the final game looks to be undercutting it. And that's your hope.Not buying that. Truth is the reason they made the first too game canonically not happen apart for meta commentary and shock value is that they felt they needed to justify in-universe the fact that the story kinda lame and unrealistic

nobody likes it when a story's twist is "it was all a dream"for those of you saying dr2 did the same thing, it mediated it by creating a genuine conflict at the end, perhaps the only good ending of a dr entry.no, v3 is not good.

>>507951438>Story is kind of lame and unrealistic>EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT V3 IS FINEi don't think you thought this throughthe only thing v3 can be argued to "ruin" is the hope vs despair debate, which was pretty fucking clearly shown to be a cycle of eating itself anyways

>>507951615V3 wasn't a dream though so what the fuck are you talking about

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>>507951717hope!despair!

>>507951694it made dr1, 2, udg, and 3 fictional, which is the exact same twist, obviously.

>>507951438The problem is that you don't understand what canon means.

>people still using the "you just don't get it, brainlet!" argumentdanganronpa fans should be hung, you faggots are actually worse than bronies

>>507951797>it made dr1, 2, udg, and 3 fictional,They are fictional

>>507951932I'd stop using it if a lot of the takes weren't so fucking dumb as to ignore the literal fucking epilogue that spells it all outReminder that people still think Keebo killed himself even though he died during the trial

I love my gorgeous wife!

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>>507952095>people hate it when the events of a series are trivialized by saying "it was all a dream" or similar>bro it's all fictional anyway lol what's immersion? what's payoff? why would it matter if the story in the game says the story doesn't matter?

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>>507952410Why do you refuse to accept that V3 isn't the same story as DR1?

>>507952104>Reminder that people still think Keebo killed himself even though he died during the trialto be fair it was handled really poorly in the game. It wad a random "He's totally dead now. Also, the characters are going to act like he's still alive in there, so it's slightly vague." One of many things v3's ending did wrong and felt shoehorned in.

>>507952245Your wife deserves all the love!

>>507952410>why would it matter if the story in the game says the story doesn't matter?>Shuichi's big argument is literally "FICTION CAN CHANGE THE WORLD"did you play the game?

>>507952104>Tsumugi literally tells you X, you are a brainlet if you don't get it>well, yes, Tsumugi tells you Y, but she is obviously lying and you are a brainlet if you don't get it

Seeing people not understand the ending of V3 destroyed my faith in humanity and lowered my opinion of Holla Forums's IQ even more. No wonder this place is such a shithole if you people can't even understand a fucking anime game.

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>>507952503>there was time between the canonical continuation of that entry in the series and this entry in the series, therefore the immersion and payoff doesn't matter.

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>>507952579You know what the saddest thing is? They likely didn't understand the previous games either, but those weren't as controversial so we were just never exposed to their idiocy until now.

>>507952518No, he straight up fucking died.They all scream over his death and start going on about going forward for Keebo, and then a new consciousness takes his body.

>>507952579>i understand it>but i won't say anything about it because then somebody could tell me im wrong uwu

>>507952653V3 is not a canonical continuation of any of the previous games

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>>507952557Just because a faggot says something related to it it doesn't mean it's a good twist. dr endings have always been bad but this is reaching more than any other, especially considering it's an entirely random theme thrown in at the end when the rest of the game is about parsing truths and lies.

>>507952579I understand the v3 ending and that's why I hate it. Just because it "subverted my expectations" doesn't make it good. It was objectively handled poorly between the plot holes and unrelated themes.

>>507952568Who are you quoting, dipshit?

>>507952854>objectively You're a fucking retard

>>507952854>Subverted my expectationsImagine being so fucking buttflustered and stupid you start having to come up with arguments to get mad about.

>>507952775Ah yes, we should take our experience of games from reading interviews about it instead of actually playing it.

Has there been a bigger pleb filter in gaming than V3's ending?Only thing I can think of that comes close is Spec Ops the Line making self insert fags seethe.

>>507952783quick questionwhat is a lie

>>507953073You're way more obvious than you think and are literally glowing in the dark right now, but V3's ending shouldn't even be a pleb filter, the epilogue unironically spells out the entire game.

>>507952775>Hinata Hajime's group took despair and departed on their own.Was THAT the vibe their leaving was supposed to give off?>>507953073Nobody cares about how big your brain is you faggot, stop fellating yourself and start killing yourself

>>507953283>>507953303T. gets mad at fiction for being fictional.

>>507953368I get you're epic trolling, but i like V3, and nothing in my post indicates otherwise, so what are you even trying to do?

>>507952783>i hate when the game tells you the story doesn't matter>actually the game tells you the story does matter>yeah but it's said by a faggot so it doesn't countalso>missing the relation between lies & fiction this hard

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>>507952939>tsumugi plotholes>they leave the ending ambiguous>the entire 6th chapter being so poorly put together that it hinges on plot points such as "the thing that makes monokumas tells the protag who the mastermind is for no reason", "kiibo shoots the mecha haha", and "shuichi wasn't actually such a bad guy I promise">>507952954there was literally no point to the v3 ending other than as a "gotcha!". The entire point of it was as a satire against sequelitis, but it was handled so poorly it just comes off as the writers being lazy.>>507953168Something used to deceive people. Real shame the game didn't follow up on that theme other than "hurr durr everything you knew was false!!!" as the most obvious and uninspired resolution whatsoever that they then ditch entirely for the sake of the suicide bit.

>>507953472Look I understand that it went over your head but it isn't really that complex or even deep.

>>507952961Nobody told you that V3 was connected to the previous games. If you bought the game without knowing what it was about, you have no right to complain that it wasn't what you imagined

>>5079527681) The player is left wondering in Tsumugi is to be trusted anyway.2) The fact that previous Danganronpa games are "fiction" doesn't mean they didn't happen. The games still happened and were real to the people that took part in them, the people died and everything happened as if it was real to them in universe. It never meant that they are literally like a cartoon that was never real, just that they lied and manipulated people to make them believe things that were not real but those people really existed and really believed those things and really killed each other thinking it was needed etc. Most brainlets do not even understand this super basic concept. The people outside are not meant to be us readers. Sure you can draw a parallel and see a double meaning, but in universe the people outside are just in universe people watching the show. It's not a 4th wall break.3) Even if the previous games were "fiction" in the meaning that most brainlets believe and is wrong (see second point), it wouldn't ruin them at all since you can just see V3 as a different universe where 1 and 2 are fiction, a kind of parallel world. But again that's just a what if, this is not even the case anyway.>>507952854You don't have to like it, but most people genuinely don't understand the things that actually happened in it which is fucking sad.

>>507953497>Something used to deceive people.Not only is that a hilariously bad definition of a lie, (pic related a lie)but if you don't think there was any deception in v3 i think you're even more retarded than you let on

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>>507953481>>i hate when the game tells you the story doesn't matter>>actually the game tells you the story does matter>>yeah but it's said by a faggot so it doesn't countPoor wording on my part, the point I'm trying to make is that it wasn't thematically relevant and that Shuichi randomly stating that doesn't make it thematically relevant, it makes it shoehorned in.>>missing the relation between lies & fiction this hardConceptually valid, in this scenario contrived. They abandoned the allegory in favor of shock value.

>>507953725>magic doesn't involve lyingyou define a lie then, big brain.>but if you don't think there was any deception in v3obviously I know there was, I'm saying they abandoned it for the ending.

>>507953660> It never meant that they are literally like a cartoon that was never real,DR1 and 2 were video games and 3 was an anime

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>>507953660>you can just see V3 as a different universe where 1 and 2 are fiction, a kind of parallel world. But again that's just a what if, this is not even the case anyway.That literally is the case, you have it wrong

>>507943167Its basically the "its all a dream" cliche which if shows up in any book or movie it gets laughed out and ridiculed and then review bombed for being garbage.Ofcource vidja gaymers eat any old shit up and call it a masterpiece because they are literally illiterate.

how many people will seethe when dr4 has the hope's peak lads meet up with the v3 kids.

>>507953497if they ditch it entirely for the suicide bit what do they talk about during the epilogue

>>507944913It is but it's fun.

>>507954475sure, but 2 paragraphs at the end after the climax does not a good story make. It's bad writing to try and reconnect the dots after everything's said and done at the end.

>>507952862>why are you replying to my comment to quote someone else?

>>507954728Considering literally every game in the series has a similar epilogue, i think you're again being purposefully stupid.

I don't get the "Its all a dream" comparison. It's very clear that games 1 and 2 had a very pronounce impact on 3's lore and setting real or not.

>>507952245Frecklegang

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>>507955358The explanation is that these people are fucking morons who would rather get mad at their own assumptions of what they think the story is than actually play the game (this involves reading the dialogue and not just mashing A) to see what it's really about.

>>507951615DR2's ending doesn't matter anyway because the anime ruined it.

>>507954291That already happend though

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How do I get my waifu to be real?

>>507945538>You really dont understand how its way harder to be invested in a fiction that's fictional even in the context of its story?That was kind of the whole theme it was hitting you with over the head during the ending. How the fuck did you miss it?So many Brainlets when it comes to V3, fuck..

>>507955916Because the faggot saw Tsumugi say "DR IS FICTION!!" and immediately closed the game

V3's whole point was truths vs lies it's that lies can still have values and if lies can effect the reality (which they can) also tsumugi's whole thing could be a lie when she she shows the video where all of the students were happy that they got slected to be a part of the killing game that was bullshit i rewatched the game and it didn't happen and in the V3 you use lies mulitpile times in order to reach the truth it wasn't just for shock value the meaning and value of lies was awlays a theme in V3 if you didn't see the themes of the game you're a dumbass

Absolutely fucking based user they ruined the mystery behind the first game how could they fuck this up

>>507956268Unironically based

I’m gonna out my opinion out there. I doubt anyone cares but eh why not. I think the point of V3 was kind of a commentary on how even though something isn’t real, it can effect us emotionally. I’m pretty sure we’ve all got torn up at some point in the series watching our favorite characters die. Thing is, even though it’s fake and we know it’s fake, we still got worked up about it. So when V3 reveals the whole thing is fake, Saihara is like, It doesn’t matter if it’s fake, the emotional pain I felt is very real, and be same can be said about what we experienced. We watched fictional characters die but we felt real emotions. The theme of truth and lies was very prevalent in the story because of this. Yes, Saihara searched for the truth, but from the beginning (Kaede being the killer in Ch. 1) it’s very clear that the theme of the story is sometimes the truth isn’t something that we want to hear. Some of us would rather lie. Saihara almost did, but he manned the fuck up and accepted the truth. At the end once again, Saihara (and all of us) didn’t want to accept the truth that Danganronpa isn’t real and we would much rather cave into the lie that it is real, but it’s ultimately best to accept the truth and move on. It’s basically like, the truth hurts, but it’s what you do when you have this truth that matters. Saihara chose to give Danganronpa and it’s developers the L and destroy everything they’ve made. Also I’m pretty sure V3 is in an AU anyway

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>>507956510Good post. That's pretty much what I took from the theme, which is distinctly different from "nah it's a copout, just like saying it was all a dream"

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>>507956510This is basically the same thing that the author himself said he was going for, good job

>>507956510based

>>507956268Tsumugi didn't show them a video, that was a flashback scene

>>507943167Is it even possible to move on from the Hope vs Despair shit now?

V3 was so unbelievably trash lol, literally 95% of that game only serves as a red herring for its incredibly poorly executed meta-twist. has negative replay potential because of it too since all the introduced story elements are literal bullshit. well, at least the post-story minigames were great

>>507957035None of the games have good replay value

>>507956510Well yeah, you're right. But the plot is as important as the message is, in my opinion. And of course breaking the fourth wall like this was not a good decision, many people obviously hate it.

>>507957017they moved from hope and despair ever since danganronpa 2 because danganronpa 2's whole thing is that "the future is yours" don't let anyone (hope and despair )decide that future for you and V3 says fuck hope and despair

>>507956510Life is Strange achieves the same thing (kill Chloe ending), except:-it doesn't spell it out to you like you are some kind of a retard-doesn't attack you for "being a sadist"-doesn't have that 4th-wall-breaking meta twists -- therefore doesn't ruins immersion-makes total sense in-universe And yes, LiS ending was a all-a-dream tier cop out too, but at least it was executed well.

>>507957994>Life is Strange

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>It's another Retards Think V3 Makes The Franchise Irrelevant Because Alternate Continuities Aren't Allowed to Exist episodeHow do so many people not only not comprehend an ending but outright refuse to comprehend it when an explanation is given to them?

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>>507958293It's the same people that beat Metal Gear Solid 2 and completely missed the point

>>507943167This is one of the best endings ive ever seen in a game. Its incredibly clever and i will bet all of the incels crying in this thread that you will never or have never seen anything else like it again. This is an ending people will always remember

>>507943167That ending was the best thing possible, because it retroactively made the worthless stories of 1 and 2 at least a bit interesting.

>>507957994>That entire, rushed mess of a finale>Executed wellImagine being THIS retarded that you think there was hidden meta-commentary in a fucking time travel plot because you have to do the time travel thing of unfucking your changing of the timeline.Was Back to the Future a deep meta-commentary too, am I supposed to look at Biff City and think about how nothing that happened there happened because Marty got the sports almanac back but that it still affected Marty to experience it?Fuck out of here.

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>noooo they invalidated mario

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>>507946219Nonsense, there has never been any confirmation whatsoever of that. Kodaka only claimed the setting would be a completely different one than the first 2 or that the story "is a separate one", which does not automatically mean there are two separate Danganronpa canons. Those statements can be true even with there only being one canon (in which DR1-2 are fiction).

>>507958293There is zero (0) confirmation that V3 is an alternate continuity.

>>507959324>>507959403(You)

fuck it's been forever and i still remember the ending at first i fucking hated that shit i thought i just wasted my time amd my life was a lie because i was REALLY inspired by DR2 and UDG and loved the characters to death but the ending wouldn't leave my mind and i still kept thinking about it and after thinking about it for almost i don't how many i've come to appreciate the ending and kodaka for sticking with his guts even tho he knews some incles won't get it

>>507959403

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>>507959403There is zero (0) confirmation that what tsumugi says is even true at all

I love kaede

>>507959713Literal fact, retarded Grugposter>>507959787Also correct, which is why V3 is an incredibly shit mystery

>>507959787False, the creator has confirmed that the outside world of V3 is one that is obsessed with Danganronpa

>>507959892he also says that the outside world is not our world it's world within danganronpa

>>507959403So let me get this straight: It's more logical to scream and curse out Kodaka's name because you think somehow SOMEHOW V3 is in the same timeline as DR1-3 despite the fact that those games are fiction in V3 than just accepting the moral of the story and the fact that just because they're fiction in V3 doesn't make them fake within their own context?Cry about how meaningless the entire franchise is when the ending was about how fiction itself holds meaning and value and that said fiction itself is still real within those living in it?Then when anyone tries to argue you're wrong you shout about how Kodaka has never said pure verbatum that it's a different continuity, even though you should realize that simply by merit of the fucking ending?You think this mental gymnastics is more reasonable than just using basic reading comprehension and not being so stubborn that the series is ruined forever because of a plot twist that changes nothing about the prior games nor their status in regards to our universe?Danganronpa 3 was a shit anime that ruined whatever mystique and competence Junko might've had, created a bunch of OCs to protect their MCs and then the one meaningful death they had they retconned by having the ending of DR2 be a non-issue where everyone's just fine now and yet V3 is your fucking problem?

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>>507958729>>Executed wellrelatively to v3's ending -- absolutely>Back to the Futureit's a movie, you don't make decision therein LiS you make the final choice -- that's where you think about the relationship between two fictional characters and decide for yourself whether to sacrifice one of them or the entire city.your decision is influenced by the prior game experience, but I guess it's not "deep" enough for you unless you are explicitly told so.

>>507943167Another retard filtered by the ending

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The ending was fine. The video game level was an abomination tho.

Cope harder, V3 cucks, the ending was an abomination and NOTHING will change that fact.>inb4 hurr brainletWhy don't you give me a real fucking reason as to why you like it so much, instead of crying about how I'm "too dumb to understand"?

>>507960196Nice tirade but I never claimed the "series was ruined forever" or meaningless because of V3's twist. V3 did not affect my view of the first two games. Similar to that DR3 didn't affect my view of DR2 as a game either even though that anime did objectively make DR2's story worse.It's just fact that claiming V3 is a separate continuity (usually spouted by the brainlet-posters, ironically) is wrong in that there is no confirmation of it, it's just a mere possibility

>game 3 takes place in a timeline in which 1 and 2 are fiction>HURRRRRR WHAT DO YOU MEAN DANGANRONPA 1 AND 2 DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN THIS IS BULLSHIT NOW 1 AND 2 ARE POINTLESS I THOUGHT THEY WERE REAL WHY ISN'T JUNKO REAL!!!!

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>>507960291That's not deep, it's called DontNod ran out of budget at the home fucking stretch. Your autonomy in which binary ending that makes all prior decisions pointless doesn't make it some deep message about the bonds of you with Max and Chloe, it's about Chloe finally realizing she's a horrible fucking human person and Max needing to reflect on how much of a goddamn doormat she is that she let Chloe use these super powerful, super dangerous time travel powers for a quest for vengeance. The most you could argue is that Chloe's portrayal is either more or less debateable on whether she should die but either way it's not meta-commentary, and I don't know where the fuck you got that idea from. Steins;Gate lets you choose at several junctures to stop undoing the past decisions you made but that's not a meta-commentary on your bonds with Suzuha or whether you can't see past Luka's dick or some shit, it's just what a time travel plot in an interactive medium has to do if it wants to give you any sort of non-linear choice.

>>507957035>95% of the game serves as red herring for the twistDo you honestly play these games with a straight face and think that's exclusive to one game of the seriesDR1's biggest writing flaw is how much is based upon the twist.

The ending plays out just like the other two games. Danganronpa is a comedy. I feel like people that get hung up on it invalidating the other games took the story too seriously.

>>507957994>-doesn't attack you for "being a sadist"Oh wait, you're serious.

The last two cases saved DRV3 for me and elevated it from the worst game in the series to the best game in the series. I'll never trust Holla Forums shitty judgement ever again!

>>507960994I didn't say it had a meta commentary, I said it incentivizes you to think about fiction and it's effect on real world, without stopping a pacing of the game to directly talk to the player.

>>507961553why do you think that she's talking directly to the player ?

The problem is that Danganronpa got way too popular for its own good and attracted too many players outside of its intended audience. 99% of the people in this thread complaining about V3 never should have touched this series in the first place but they got into it anyway because of memes, porn and FOMO. Just because V3 doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator doesn't make it bad. If you didn't like it, you are the problem.

>>507962212i was under the assumption that everyone who complains about V3 love the series or way too atached to it am i wrong ?

>>507943167IT'S NOT FICTIONAL.The main character literally says that the villian was likely lying and there's so many things to back that up.

>>507962454People like this are probably the saddest of them all, the amount of denial you would have to be in to cope with an ending you didn't like in this way is unimaginable to me.

>>507962549>HURR DUURR THE VILLIAN CAN'T POSSIBLE LIE.

even tho she lied

>>507962420That's my assumption. Steam's release also had a bunch of framerate issues at the start with the monokub robots. That probably left a bad first impression for some.

>>507962030because such commentaries are out of place and barely make any sense in setting, that's what I meant by pacing

>>507962454>>507962669"Saihara and others were like “All the things we believed up till now were all fictions, it’s a pity.” and they fall into despair. Still, even if it’s fiction, I wanted him to refute the enemies by “The ones which made my heart move and made me grow are truths.”, and grasping hope from despair by refuting enemies so I made the end like that.""They’re(the viewers in NDRV3) from completely different world. That world’s viewers aren’t our players. It’s really popular in the world over there. In the world over here it’s not… (laughs) I wanted to do that kind of thing mainly due to that plot device.""When that was connected up with the theme “Fiction and Reality are swapped” and thought of it, I really wanted to do that ending. I had that kind of belief so even it became something hard and the players can’t take it, I couldn’t do much about it. I somehow thought will be a really great game to the players who understood it well, so I wasn’t really scared. I was ready for it a bit too."-Mynavi’s Interview with Danganronpa Team"It’s just the part that the first game were also fictional in-universe and that V3 was the 53rd Danganronpa game that we came up with later. At the time we just though of the initial clever curveball. ""Then, as Saihara is shocked to learn “This world was fictional. The Akamatsu and Momota I believed in were all fiction”, the player would also be hit with the fact “Everything I played so far is fictional”. But it’s a fact that everything you played so far still resonated with you and you gained a lot from it, so I was hoping you could synchro yourself with Saihara and take his side in the argument after he gets back in his feet."-Artbook Data - Writer Team Interview"So we made her in a way she feels like an escalation of the outside world’s worldbuilding, a world hopelessly obsessed with DanganRonpa."-Artbook Data - Tsumugi Shirogane

>>507962212kek, fuck danganronpa, the retards you mention are the intended audience.do you think all the edgyness, coomer bait and fujo bait doesn't exist? that it's just the fans? no, it's because it apeals to these freaks

>>507943167At first i didnt like the ending as well but the more i thought about it the more i did. i interpreted it like thisim sure most people dislike is the ending because of the way it seemingly devalues the other games and whatnot but I think it was suppose to be a parallel between the player's feelings and shuichi's group since their actions got devalued as well but the entire point is despite all those revelations and the fake nature of the stories they still had an effect on you. You still liked or hated the characters, you still cried or picked your favorites etc which is what shuichi's group realises such as with maki's feelings for kaito, the genuine bonds of friendship they all shared, or shuichi's feelings for kaede.The whole theme of the game is truth vs lies and fiction vs reality. But the ending is great in the fact that it reminds you that even if all the previous games were lies the truth is you still had honest emotions towards them so it doesnt matter that they're fake since thats the basic nature of fiction you always know. which is the entire reason shuichi didnt fall to despair since a major message is despite fiction being fiction the truth is it can still affect you. those bonds they had were real so it doesnt matter. Thats my take on it after thinking about it for a while. i get that some people just dont like meta endings though.

>>507943670Dr3 is a sort of metaworld of rest of danganronpa franchise. The 1 and 2 can be considered real in their own contexts anyway. They just happen to be fiction in dr3

>>507963197My bad I should've said that Tsumugi lied about the group wanting to be in a real danganronpa. It's been a while since i talked about danganronpa on Holla Forums and just forgot that's what I should be arguing about.Tsumugi was lying about the cast wanting to be in danganronpa, sure the world might like danganronpa. The same way a couple of years back IRL a good chunk of the world was obsessed about the hunger games that said I'm pretty not many people wouldn't actually want them to be real or be actual participants.

>>507962454shuichi is a pretty shit source, he completely fell for kokichi's ruse in chapter 5 until WAY into the class trial even though it was incredibly obvious that kaido was manning the exisal. more than that, he is the one that initially CREATES the erroneous assumption that kokichi is in the exisal to begin with. or other things like him skipping the restroom of the girls in ch1 (lol)his interpretation of tsumugi's statements is pretty damn worthless, if it was eg. kyoko in his place making such observations you could take them as fact much better as kyoko has superhuman intellect, shuichi on the other hand seems to be dumber than the average mystery reader. obviously kodaka intended for shuichi to be somewhat of an objective narrator concerning tsumugi's statements, the problem is that he does not have the credentials to serve that role. yet another example of how they just completely shat the bed with v3. nothing makes sense even for DR-standards which is impressive to say the least

>>507960196>>507958293I want to fuck this little girl.imgur.com/a/r8W7166

>>507963826Shuichi doesn't even say that he thinks Tsumugi is lying, he says she COULD have been lying, and Himiko makes a joke about how that sounds like something Kaito would say. People who cling to the "Tsumugi lied" theory are just desperate for a chance that the ending wasn't real.

>>507943167Objective facts coming throughEvery single ending in the main danganronpa games is absolute trash, this whole muh ending ruined the series and muh you didn't understand it shitflinging is retarded on both accounts. If you actually expected a good ending for V3 after playing 1 and 2 you have to be clinically retarded.

>>507944164Yes it does, V3 faggots are still seething that no one cares about this tripe

>>507963825>It's been a while since i talked about danganronpa on Holla Forums and just forgot that's what I should be arguing about.No offense but this makes you sound really, really stupid. Why are you even trying to argue about the plot of the game if you can't even remember your own beliefs?

>>507945437Which is a fictionalized version of a real video game that actually, non-fictionally exists.

>>507963826pretty sure shuichi in ch6 is credible because he manhandled kaede's case and was running the show up until tsumugi showed up

>>507964247Not wrong, the individual murders and the interactions between the characters are usually good to great, but the meta narrative to tie it together involving Junko and Hope's Peak and The Most Awful Event are all pretty terrible.

BE GENTLY WITH ME ANONBE GENTLY WITH ME

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>>507944164>computer simulation>Cheapen the experienceYeah that's why literally all of the DR 2 kills don't fucking matter. It was all fake.

also i could understand the hate for DR1 and V3's endings but why DR2 genuinely curious i thought it was a great ending in my opinion

>>507960837I like the ending because the epilogue ends on a heartfelt note of what the author thinks it means to even write stories of fake people dying violently, and have that read by others, how writing fiction is about expressing real life ideas and emotions, the stories of people you end up caring for knowing they're not real, about how fiction can touch people's hearts in that cheesy japanese drama way BECAUSE it's not realistic, BECAUSE it's exaggerated. How that's not meaningless when it's over.Because every character's arc is heartbreaking, because it's so shamelessly saccharine in being honest about being a work of fiction, hoping that now that the story is over, it could help you change even a little as a person instead of just wallowing over it's end, the same way everybody in the game moves on from Danganronpa.Hoping that real life emotions they're trying to express as a piece of fiction can somehow change you, instead of just being meaningless entertainment about people dying.It's arguably just re-stating the first game's original message way harder. "With hope, i can do anything in the outside world!' and smacking you on the head "That means you, stupid!"Shuichi's speech and the epilogue is affirming every single death in the series. Danganronpa was bullshit from the start, it's a fake scenario with bullshit rules in fake environments, made up by Junko and etc for seeing the worst and best of people through murder and lies.It's a goodbye from the whole series and does the exact opposite of "ruining" the others retroactively.The existence of YTTD could almost even be argued as proof of the idea it's trying to express.

>>507964829Some people don't like the way that Hajime bullshitted his way to a happy ending just by believing in it, it's a fair criticism I guess

>>507964829Pretty much what >>507964746Said. "It's all a simulation" is kinda of ruined when we known in DR3 that everyone is 100% fine with no repercussions.

>>507964949That's DR3's fault, DR2 still left room for the simulation deaths to have real world consequences

>>507943167>Oh no my fiction is fiction I'm a fool for ever caring about it despite the point of 3-6 being that even if it's fiction your feelings are real

>>507943167the best ending possible*

>>507964829Because DR2 is a shounen series where Hinata went Super Saiyan and saved everyone.

>>507964879i mean he just said fuck it we're doing our own thing i guess the super saiyan was ridiculous but other than i don't think it's that "bullshitty"

>>507965056>oh my fiction is fiction, how genius, best plot-twist ever

also we don't talk about DR3

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Luckily it's $85 and never on sale so I'll never have the series ruined. Ultra despair girls was a fun end to the series

>>507964873So? Fiction is meant to entertain, not to "make people think" or whatever. If I wanted to read, watch, listen to something that would change my beliefs, my outlook I'd just read a political treatise or so, I didn't download Danganronpa 1 because I wanted my outlook or whatever to change, I downloaded it because I was bored and some homo on Holla Forums swore on his life that it was really fun.

>>507965227I'm not claiming it's genius, just that it's retarded for people to feel like it invalidates the previous games.

>>507965124It's because they chose to initiate the shut down sequence which was supposed to have negative consequences for them, but those consequences were ignored even though there's no logical reason for why the program wouldn't work the way it was designed to. I liked the ending but I can admit that it was pretty "by the power of friendship"-tier.

>>507965375>What did you like about the ending>So? i don't care about thatI could just as easily ask why i should care about you.

>>507962212Japan were just as critical so it's not like the intended audience liked it either.

>>507965375>fiction shouldnt make people thinkreally? i hope youre joking.

>>507965375>I downloaded it because I was bored and some homo on Holla Forums swore on his life that it was really fun.Proof that >>507962212 is right

>>507965638japan isn't a hivemind, there are retards in every country

>>507965251The game is under 40$ new, and goes on sale all the time, what are you talking about?

>>507943167>retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthlessHow are you fucking retards this fucking stupid?

>>507965748They successfully alienated audiences domestically and abroad, so if there was ever a different "intended audience" then they never got it.

>>507965891It's the same thing that happens in Persona threads, entry level anime games attract entry level stunted weebs.

>>507965625I'm not saying I don't care.>>507965667No? Read my fucking post, If I want to think about shit, I'd read either non-fiction, or extremely realistic fiction (AKA no big titty high schoolers ending the world)>>507965706He's a fucking dumbass, he's just fucking saying that the people who don't like V3's endin g are newfags, with no proof whatsoever. Also I never told you when I downloaded Danganronpa 1, stop claiming I'm a newfag just because I disaggree with you.

>>507965953the intended audience were the ones who truly understood the ending only the unworthy were alienated

This thread is the proof that the whole brainlet thing isn’t just a meme. People who don’t like V3’s ending literally don’t understand it and/or have shit taste (Life is Strange Chloe ending? Really nigga?) and shouldn’t be respected.

>>507965105this

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>>507965706I can't imagine playing the entire series if you're part of the bandwagon. Unless you vibed with the games. Danganronpa 1 is a fucking slog to get through with very little signs of some grand payoff. Hand waving them as people who shouldn't have played the game is silly.

>>507965375>fiction is meant to entertain, not to "make people think" or whateverit scares me that there are genuine retards who are confident enough to voice this shit.

>>507965953The game sold completely in line with other games in the series

>>507966309Thanks for your brilliant argument, calling me a retard without in any way explaining why you think I'm wrong definitely is the best way to prove you are right.

>>507943167>This ending was the worst thing possible, retroactively made the stories of 1 and 2 worthless, and doesn't even make any sense.I think you got this mixed up with 3.

>>507966018It's a mystery/puzzle game. Surely they expect you to be tuned in a little bit.

>>507965375Imagine being so proud of being a brainlet

>>507966238there are people who at least get it>>507963373but this is Holla Forums so no surprise theres brainlets

>>507966412Everybody else in the thread already agrees with each other. You're the only retard so there's no reason to argue or prove anything.

>>507966412anyone with half a brain could see why your comment is retarded theres nothing to explain here, it just is.

>>507966289People shit on DR1 and 2 all the time in these threads. They say the story is bad, then they say the mysteries are bad, then they shit on the characters, and you start to wonder why they even came here in the first place

2>V3>1

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>>507965375>nobody's explained to me why the ending is good>I really liked the message it sent and how it made you think about the real consequences of fiction>yeah well fiction shouldn't have a messageNo shit you're not gonna like the ending. There's not much to argue there if your only reason is "it should be fun and it wasn't fun"

>>507966238Never said LiS ending was good, merely compared it to v3's to conclude it was much betterthis >>507951932 is literally you

>nooo stop calling me stupid I'm not stupid

>>507966664The mysteries d1 are too easy and you move around so slow and clunky compared to the later games. I didn't even bother with 2 until long after it was dropped and a friend told me about the qol changes. That's not to say dr1 didn't have it's charm especially for when it was released.

>>507966709I'm conflicted about calling 2 the best. At its best moments, 2 was the greatest, but it was also weaker than 1 and 3 in some aspects (worst filler case, worst ending)

>>507967101*the point was made that people hate dr3 because of bandwagoners and being too popular, and the game wasn't meant for them, but they made it through the first two games and liked them enough despite their flaws to even play dr3. Clearly they got something out of the series.

>>507963623Essentially this, I consider V3 almost not canon to the rest. Like legit look at it like a stand alone and it makes more sense.

>>507953660okay that other guy is wrong but you are also wrong. Nobody lied to and manipulated the original two casts besides junko and her AI. >you can just see V3 as a different universe where 1 and 2 are fiction, a kind of parallel world.This is true. This is literally what v3 is. A paralell universe where the first two games are games, just like in our world. It was only until some time later that Team Danganronpa developed Ultimate Real Fiction. It was a result of people getting tired of seeing video game characters die and wanted real bloodshed. I like the ending too but you're really acting smug for someone who also has it wrong.

>>507966709How can one man be so correct?

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>>507967432and should stay alone

>>507966709nailed it

>>507967432That's how you're supposed to look at it, they said so since it was announced back in like 2016

>>507967137>worst endingWhy? I mean if you exclude the anime.

>>507965762Not in the EU store. Been waiting for months

>>507966709>>507967478Why the hell do people like nagito so much?

>>507967754steamdb.info/app/567640/

>>507967819He's a fun and unique character

>>507967819Hes righteous, and sets up the best case in the series by taking one for the team.

>>507943167How the fuck do people not get this? 1 and 2 are canon in their own universe. V3 is a larger universe where the 1 and 2 universe is a fictional property. Everything about Hope's peak actually happened, just in V3 it's a new universe where it's fiction.

>>507967923I'm not a mustard, sorry. I refuse

>>507967819he makes the second part of the game so much more entertaining

>>507967819Fun character with the best case in the seriesThe DR character writing works perfectly with his insanity

>>507968032I'm starting to think that some people genuinely do not understand the concept of implicit separate continuities.

>>507967819>selfless life philosophy >entertaining>best case>good chemistry with Hajime (not in fujo way fuck off)

>>507943167>>507944164Imagine still not getting this simple ass story three years later

>>507968263Reminder that people were genuinely pissed off when Final Fantasy VIII didn't feature Cloud and co. after VII made the franchise explode in the West.

>>507968032this, like how am I still reading this shit in 2020

>>507964746It was already fake because its not real.

How do I become a cute loli like Himiko.

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>>507969054by fucking ouma

>>507966238Most based take on this

v3 itself never outright says that it is a separate universe and kodaka or spike never explicitly stated as much either

>>507944164>Imagine at the end of the breaking bad it turned out it was all a computer simulation made for a school project in 2305THE ENTIRE SECOND GAME WAS A COMPUTER SIMULATION AND NONE OF THE DEATHS WERE REAL

V3 alternative reality bullshit just made it a filler waste of time at the end of the day.>i-its the journey, not the destination thoIn hindsight, even the anime was probably better. Kodaka is a hack. Hope he just makes another series instead of coming back to this shit.

>>507969208How do people this dumb even exist

>>507969054>NOOOO you can't hide your secrets! How are we going to find the murderer if we don't know how you got out of the tank?>Haha magic go weeewooo

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>>507969208If the story is a fiction in v3, then that means that those stories never took place in v3's universe.By default, it is it's own separate universe.Why the fuck is this so difficult for people.

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>>507943167Kodaka is just a hack.He couldn't find a way to make V3 organically compelling via characters, setting, case plots, coherent arcs, etc so he just slapped a couple ridiculous nonsensical twists on top.I unironically want Spike Chunsoft to put someone else in charge and make DR4, the concept has a lot of untapped potential.

>>507969340Fair reminder she almost got everyone killed over this

>>507969208>kodaka or spike never explicitly stated as much eitherYes they haveIt's even been posted in this same threadDo some basic fucking research before you speak

The true Danganronpa was the...

>danganautists still have low standardsWhat a shock.Read a book nigga.

>it's the same danganautism daily for years>series still isn't auto flagged for deathYou and the Purse Owners need to just fuck off already

>>507969340Chapter 3-6 Himiko >>> Chapter 1-2 Himiko

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>>507967725Pretty much just the Junko asspull.

>Kirumi, I want to die>You deserve to leave. You're a much better person than me>Please kill me so you can leave. I'll let you do it>She beats him, drowns him, and then disposes of his body in a brutal and gory way in front of everyone.Fuck Kirumi.

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>>507967819He's literally the only good character of his game.

>>507969494This.

>>507969315it's true though lol there is no hard evidence that v3 is separate from the rest. the game itself doesn't outright suggest it and in interviews etc they used words such as new setting, new story, never new universe.

>>507969409>tons of nonsensical twistsIs that why this game can't make up it's fucking mind on what the overarching story is? First they're dead, no wait the ultimate hunt, no wait they're in space, no wait their in a shelter on post apocalyptic earth

>>507969616Junko is inherently an asspull. DR2's ending is at least more entertaining than DR1's.

Drv3's ending has an interesting meaning that the author wanted to impart but it's clearly half assed and even implying that 1 and 2 are fictional even in a fictional world is an insult and pure retardation. Even if it was not intended as such then it was simply ignorance on the part of Kodaka.

>>507969648>the game itself doesn't outright suggest itThe first two games are mentioned by name and Monokuma displays the logos on the screen. How does this not suggest it?

>>507969208>never outright saysthis is why i call you brainlets

>>507969648>>507952775

>>507969618Kirumi is actually boring as f

itt. brainlets who got filtered and faggots who got baitedcan we just not reply to V3 ending threads and let them die?

>>507969928The only people that defend the ending are literal mouthbreathers, which explains why there's so many of them. They all want to seem intelligent.Imagine if for Harry Potter's ending Harry told his children that he filmed a movie series called Harry Potter which goes from what we saw in the first movie to the death of voldemort, and reveals to his kids that he's an actor.

>>507970227And then the reasoning behind this is le deep "I wanted Harry to symbolize that even fiction has meaning hurr durr"

>>507969928>an insultkek

>>507969691It was dumb in DR1 too, but at least then it was novel. Don't get me wrong, every DR ending is nonsensical.

>>507970227>Call others mouthbreathers>Starts talking about Harry PotterWhat a dumb fujo you are.

>>507970227This stupid Harry Potter metaphor just makes you look even dumber, because the Harry Potter series is all one connected story and Danganronpa is not. V3 is not the ending to DR1-3. If they made a standalone Harry Potter movie where the ending twist is that the main characters were all delusional Harry Potter fans it would be fucking kino

>>507943167Jesus, another bainlet thread. V3 doesn't ruin the previous games because the story of Danganronpa ends with the anime. V3 is a spin of in another universe that use previous games lore as narrative. It can't ruin anything. Its just your expectations for this game were subverted and you are still butthurt

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>>507970482I'm using an example even retards like you can understand.>>507970516And that's why I made the split at when Harry's story ends and his children's story begins. Further proving your retardation>>507970540If the whole point is that fiction can have an IRL impact then ofc V3 can ruin our perception of 1 and 2. So retarded that your own argument's inherent contradiction doesn't come to you

>>507970932>at when Harry's story ends and his children's story beginswhich are still in the same universe. do you have difficulties comprehending multiple layers of fictional universes?

>>507969385it's not a separate universe by default, the first two games can still canonically be fictional in an overarching danganronpa continuity. there is nothing speaking against v3 being the official danganronpa universe so to speak>>507970139"universe" was not used in the original wording, it was the "story" of hope's peak

>>507970201finally someone said

>>507971049Holy shit you're a brainletIf it was revealed that it was all an act then it wouldn't be one connected story anymore, now would it?

>>507970932>And that's why I made the split at when Harry's story ends and his children's story begins. Further proving your retardationThe V3 cast are not children of anyone from DR1-3. The cast of DR1-3 do not fucking exist in V3. Your example does not relate to anything that has happened in Danganronpa.

>>507970932see>>507963373

>>507970932In what way V3 ruin the perception of previous games? Just because you saw Tsumugi dress as your favourite characters from previous games and say mean things? If this affected you then literally any LGBT tranny dressed as Iron Man will ruin Marvel for you

>>507971197it'd still exist within the same universeI repeat my question, do you have difficulties comprehending multiple layers of fictional universes

>>507944164t.

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>>507971071Anon, a fictional story has to take place in a fictional universe. The fact that the two stories exist necessitates that there are two universes for those stories to take place in, unless you mean to imply that one of them took place in fucking real life

>>507969616Ah. Okay. I see why you can have a problem with her. But I don't really feel like she's that big of a deal kinda shoehorned true,but by no means makes ending the worst. In the end the world of DR revolves around her even UDG did it and there you had remnants and children.

>>507971197Then they wouldn't be Harry Potter's children

v3's climax reasoning is probably one of my favorite vidya tracks of all time

>>507971321Universes literally have nothing to do with what we are talking about. If you are so autistic that all it takes is an author saying "oh bruh different universe" to make you suddenly feel satisfied, then you should feel sad.

>>507944164you mean breaking bad isn't real!!!!????

>>507971313>If this affected you then literally any LGBT tranny dressed as Iron Man will ruin Marvel for youit did

>>507971791>Universes literally have nothing to do with what we are talking about.it kinda does, which is why you're unable to comprehend thisdo you have difficulties comprehending multiple layers of fictional universes?

>>507971786For me, is the Argument Armament:youtube.com/watch?v=ll8ElUkIXBY

>>507944164>the things i consume are fictionHow the FUCK can you not handle this, you absolute manchild?

>>507953873God the plot twist for Danganronpa 9 was so dumb but the characters are fun so it gets a pass.Monokuma's reveal in DR10 had such good animation that they couldn't top until DR22

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>>507972012>The characters were funthey were scraping the bottom of the barrel you fucking tastelet

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this scene was my favorite in DR2

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>>507971925This tracks pretty good too, but it's one of those tracks where I'm way too focused on the minigame to really acknowledge it

>>507970212>can we just not reply to V3 ending threads and let themThis is always my first response to these threads. If it's dying, I let it die. But if I see it gaining in activity, I can't resist the urge to jump in and set the record straight.

>>507971782This is you autists in a nutshell, you autistically point out specific details that change nothing as if that proves your larger point.>>507971206 this too holy shit, you people must be terrible to talk to IRL>>507971313It ruins it because it takes a shit on 1 and 2. It resorts to bring meta as the twist which is in the "it's so bad it's bad" category of storytelling. Even if it's a different game, universe, etc, the author is telling you straight to your face that what you're reading is fiction. If you have the mental capacity to immerse yourself in storytelling, which I doubt you do, you would at least be able to comprehend how that can take one out of the immersion.

>>507972012What's your favourite?I think series peaked with 13>best minigames>some of the greatest cases>case 3 wasn't bad>BEST MUSIC >DR2 cast cameo>improved graphicsIt had everything.>>507972327>file isn't named hopeful americans or stepping towers for hopeDespair inducing.

>>507971905Holy shit the absolute stateRepeating one question autistically as if you are making some Einstein level playI'm just sad for you man

>>507971541v3 can still be the sole canonical danganronpa universe. dr1-2 are a "universe" in the world of v3 as much as any other piece of fiction is. however, that does not necessarily mean there are two separate danganronpa canons (one in which dr1-2 are fiction, v3, and one in which it actually happened, 1-2).

>>507972676>The villain shits on the original games>The protaganist tells you to continue to value those fictions>Interprets that as the game shitting on the franchisebrainlet

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>>507972012>>507972138>>507972764Fuck off back to plebbit you underages

>>507972920You're literally inserting fictional statements into my argument.Making it too meta is what shat the bed. I never mentioned Tsumugi or Shuichi even once.

back routes in v3 were cool

Actual ending of Danganronopa saga:- Naegi becomes a principal and posibly marries Kirigiri- Komaru hang out with Toko- Togami hang out with Weedman- Asahina is still alive>everyone lived happy ever afterThat's the end. V3 is as if in our wolrd we made a killing game based on the theme of these games. All we would need is a technology to wipe and replace memories and get goverments to allow killing real people for entertainment.

>>507972138Say what you want about the ultimate Clown but his motive was pretty dark. Also the ultimate sushiman had the best FTE.>>507972764Danganronpa 24: the rise of the ultimates. Made me laugh and cry like no other.

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>>507972920> Guy punches your friend> Guy tells you bro value your friendOk

>kills himself to troll monokumaWas this based or cringe?

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>>507972793Because you fail to answer it, all the while proving that you indeed do have issues with it.

>>507973153you forgot Munakata's eternal suffering,Monaca drifting aimlessly in space, and the despairs perpetually on the run taking the heat for Tengan

KEK V3guzzlers absolutely ASSBLASTEDgood thread, glad I came.

>>507973383Cringe, since it just made Monokuma more money anyway for his Jewish game show and spiked the TV ratings. He died for literally nothing, LMFAO

>>507973354> guy tells you friends online are fake> guy tells you to value those said friends because your time with them was real you choose

>>507973508You're a child fighting with children's argumentative tactics. You should be grateful that you're not ignored, at least online.

>>507972858>dr1-2 are a "universe" in the world of v3 as much as any other piece of fiction is. >however, that does not necessarily mean there are two separate danganronpa canonsThese two statements contradict each other. If you admit that V3 is one universe, and DR1-2 is another universe, then that means there is more than one universe. You understand all the basic information, but you have some kind of weird mental block about what you think a canon universe is so you can't put the pieces together. Every story happens in its own universe. That's what stories are.

>>507973383based, it literally helped end danganronpa.

>>507973383Died for nothing because of shuichi LEL

>>507973696False equivalence as there is there is nothing inherently fake about online friends, and even if there was, there is the possibility that one day they can become IRL friends.

>>507973743A child might not comprehend different universes.Why should I use a different weapon than the one that still does its job? An argument that you cannot disprove is all I need

>>507972676Literally entire point of Maki still valuing feelings for Kaito even though they were written by Tsumugi are completely against your theory that the game shits on the fictional events or that they were worthless

>>507973743dude that's just pathetic

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