It's all so tiresome

>>507742967If you can only see 24fps but have two eyes why go above 48fps??

>>507743861>can't get pastThis isn't how it works

>>507742967Why do people blame Xbox and Sony when its the devs decision?

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>>507743692ironic

>>507743861I remember when I was a console gamer, any game that DIDN'T run at 60fps was either pure cancer or a PAL game, and even those ran at 50fps. It the average PCs that struggled to run shit or had fps drops.

>>507743976yes it isconsoles need to stop caring about resolution and focus on giving people 60fps minimum

>>507743861120 fps on newer games requires either sacrificing resolution and graphics settings or spending 2k on your pc.Is there even 120hz 4k monitors yet? I dont pay attention to this shit

I'm not obsessed with frames, but I find it more desirable because it feels smooth. I lock some games at lower frames for stability.

>>507744061I've been wondering the same thing for a long time too. It's up to the developers how they use the hardware. F-Zero ran at 60fps on the Super Nintendo. There isn't some physical barrier that stops developers from achieving a specific framerate, they just choose not to. The only instance like this I can think on the PC side is Crysis, where nobody was able to run it very well even with the top hardware

It's on the developers to make their games at your desired framerate, yelling at the console manufacturers won't solve anything.It's also on you consoomers to not fall for ultra pretty graphics marketing, because developers need to cut back on those graphics in order to provide your extra framerate.30FPS will make them more money than 60FPS, this isn't an issue that advancements in technology can solve. You have only yourselves to blame for preferring graphics to framerate.

>>507744279>4KFor vidya, you don't need to go over 1440p. 4K is only useful for work on monitors. 1440p@144Hz > 4K@60Hz

I know everyone is shitposting in this thread given the topic but dealing with shitposting is exhausting. Low effort crap spammed on this site into oblivion and yet I still come here for the rare diamond threads that actually discuss video games.

>>507744276How exactly do you imagine this works? See this >>507744398 if they want to run a game at 60fps, there is nothing stopping the devs from doing that. But they seldom opt to do that. Games ran at 60fps on the N64, the PS2, the Wii, if someone chooses to do that, they can

>>507744279>or spending 2k on your pcAre you poor or something?

>>507744516crying about threads you don't like doesn't make the board any better

>>507744516thanks for sharing

>>507744438>30FPS will make them more money than 60FPS, this isn't an issue that advancements in technology can solveYeah this is the big thing people don't understand. No matter how powerful the hardware gets, someone would STILL go like "but what if we do a little extra" and then it runs at 30fps

>>507744438if they dialed back on the graphics more than they already do they would look like minecraft

>>507744279>4k1440p is the highest you should go right now for gaming and even then I'd argue that if you're using a 24 inch monitor you should just stick with 1080p

>>507742967>not getting an xbox>I don’t have a 4k monitor just a 1080i TV>i played and finished Darksouls 3 with 24 fps which dropped to 15 in the ring city dlc on the lowest settings and resolution>still had fun with my games

>>507742967why use 30 more FPS if you can boost visuals more?

>>507743456anon I...

>>507742967Remember back in 2013 when console manufacturers where talking about the 8th generation of consoles being able to play games at 60 FPS/4K? It is 2020, a new generation is about to hit the market and most console games are 1080p/30fps

>>507744725Indeed, two games release side by side, one 30FPS, one 60FPS, capitalism will reward the game with the better marketing. Better graphics are marketed far easier than smooth framerate.

>>507744508>>507744734Consoles have been shooting for 4k. Thats why I bring it up.

>>507744583Because console devs won't sacrifice graphical fidelity for FPS, and because the capabilities of consoles are fixed, the decision is not in players' hands.If a dev can either make the game look better for promo videos or make it play better with 60 FPS, they will almost always pick the former.

>>507745057Yeah, even if developers targeted only the absolute state of the art PC hardware, someone would still be pushing their games to 30fps. People can run games at 120fps on their 2000 dollar rigs, because developers target the 200 dollar hardware. This would stay the same even if consoles didn't exist. Most Steam users have pretty low tier hardware. 60fps will only start to become more prevalent if consumers show a preference for it

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>>507744438Imagine if you went into the options menu of a game and there was some sort of toggle option you could select that lowered the graphics quality slightly to give you a boost in performance.Wouldn't that be cool?

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Fucking normalfags ruin everything

>>507745623It's a shame so few people do this on consoles. I remember G-Police on the PS1 let you decrease the render distance to improve performance

>>507745623Devs don’t want that because then streamers would lower the quality of their games for a competitive edge and viewers would think the game just has bad graphics.

>>507745000trips of hilarious truth

>>507745843They do have bad graphics. Console games barely managing to clear 20fps are still at the equivalent of low settings on PC. Sometimes even worse than low.

That’s it, i’m switching to PC. Fuck it.

>consoles are now pushing to 8K and gay-tracing

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>>507744896To make a better game.30 FPS cripples quite a lot how far you can push level design and combats.

PS5 will fuck X box ... X something , the new one .. quite badly . I'm guarantee.

60 fps literally doesn't matter

>>507742967Titanfall2 ran at 60fps.It had great gameplay, online multiplayer and a good campaign. And the graphics never lag and it looks fucking amazing.Theres no excuse not to make your game at 60fps. With the technology now available, its just a lazy ass excuse for a shitty company.

>>507746404Xbox has the best multiplat support, backwards compatibility, gamepass and no censorship issues. The trannybox 5 is going to get dethroned.

>>507742967Why don't they just, you know, let the consumer choose.>Graphics: Ultra 30fps>Graphics: Standard 60fpsIt's not hard.

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>>507745000They can, but no matter how much power you give the developers, they will always go to 30.Even if microsoft finds an alien ship with a fabricator and use it to make a console that is 100 times more powerful than anything released, developers will still aim at 30.

>>507742967Why the fuck do you guys even care about consoles anymore? How has the world not moved past this yet?

>>507745391

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>>507746579See>>507745843

>>507746414It does. It's basically the reason why they crippled gameplay if compared to the 16bit era.30 FPS is too unresponsive to make that level of level design and combat.

>>507746729See what, some user's opinion? No thanks.

>Graphics whores getting fucked by other graphics whoresBased.

>>507746579Then the pc fags can’t use the>low 30 fpsMeme

lolloll xbone underpowered 30 frames, shieeet u fags would buy anything

>>507746760ok then go play your 80s 16-bit while everyone else in reality plays modern games

>>507746853Seething

>>507746639If consoles died, they would aim PCs as the primary platform which would mean that the faggy creative directors would demand the games to be locked down to 30 FPS in some sort of evil graphical scaler.Add the super denuvo they would develop to stop you from cranking up the frame rate and that's what you get.Be glad PCs are the "second bananas" where the main faggot in charge of the game have no control over.

Developers should be required to hit 60.

>>507746982Your response makes no sense.

>>507746718I don't get that kind of vibe from the original pic. It's a cool pic, nothing ominous about it.

>>507746941At least i'm playing games instead of watching em like a faggot.I bet you don't even play games anyway, you just watch some idiot play em for you on twitch.Fucking zoomer.

>>507747180>At least i'm playing gamesYou're not though. You're here having internet arguments over trivial shit like a manchild.

>>507747180If these games were actually just movies why would they have such a hard time being 60 fps?

>>507747302fucking rekt

>>507743456ok bigot what about people with only 1 eye? Stop being intolerant, games don't need more than 2 fps unless you want to flex your privileges

>>507744197 Do you listen to yourself speak?

imagine a world where we stayed on ps2/gamecube/xbox graphics but had the hardware that we had today. like if devs would focus more on innovating the games themselves and not graphics we would probably be seeing some absolutely insane games. with a lower polycount they could fit so much more on screen at once

>>507747315Because 60 FPS don't look like a movie and 24 FPS is bad enough to make the level designers actually try to break the neck of the creative director, so "the happy 30" is the chosen frame rate.

>>507742967yep, I'm going pc this time

>>507744197The ISA bus was indeed a disgrace.Good thing intel came up with PCI, and the consoles never caught with PCs again.

>>507745623literally exists in Forza Horizon 4 on xbonks

>>507746384literally how?

>>507742967>MUH OVER 9000 FPS>ITS SO BATTERY SMITH

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>>507742967>2nd gen in a row in which MS says stupid shit pre-launchThe fuck is their problem?

>>5077443983D engines were a mistake.

Honestly if you obsess over graphics or framerates you're probably a bit autistic and stopped liking video games a long time ago

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>>507744061Because most people are low IQ retards who attach their ego to brands/hardware (see: Holla Forums), and Microsoft/Xbox Sony/Playstation are bigger targets to latch on to. It's not from a place of rationality at all so don't bother trying to understand it.

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>>507746579Cause some devs still tie FPS to their physics engine

>>507749009Half the inputs per second, half the precision.For example, on a jumping game, you have less points you can jump from and to when going fast, on a shooting game your aim will be less precise because you lose half of your "stopping/shooting" points, parry gets a lot worse, fighting in general gets crippled because you can't make as good combo systems..There's a reason why COD killed everything else that tried to copy it by running at 60 FPS.

if you make games 60 fps then the game will end twice as fast devs don't wanna make double the content

that just means 60 fps wont be required brainlet. the majority of games will be 60fps

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>>507743923shut the fuck up pajeet

>>507749595No. 60fps should be the minimum. Any slower and it is yelling at the screen to move or playing in slow motion.

>>507749694It's religious dogma

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>>507749814>majority of games will be 60fpsI'll believe it when I see it. Fucking shit devs are going to ruin this generation of consoles like the last two generations. Glad I have a pc.

>>507750129>he doesnt know

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>>507750060Yeah... yelling at the screen is autistic behavior

>>507749814It's not gonna happen, they care more about 4k than 60fps

>>507750190>He's posting tech demo images.

>>507750060I played RDR2 on ps4 after playing games on PC for years and it was painful. Playing at 30fps should be considered a cruel and unusual punishment

They're marketing the SSD so "no load times" will be the generation's gimmick.60fps will be ignored for 4K 24fps.

>>507743860No, user, it's okay when not Nintendo puts retarded restrictions.

>>507749730

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>>507750190It's not about power.Give the developers the power to output literally photorealistic graphics at 240 FPS, and the creative director will still force the game to run at 30, because over 30 is not filmic enough.

>>507749595The people who care about framerate are the ones who care the most about games, retard.

can we please have these threads made by whiny fucks like OP banned?also i care more about load times than fps

>>507744583>60fps on the N64,

>>507744061Because the devs would be able to do 60fps in most cases if it wasn't for the limited console hardware.

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>>507744734Find me a 1440p or 4k 24" monitor.

>>507750503I was pretty happy about the reduced load times, but then I realized that load times have already been eliminated for the most part. Like when I played Bloodborne recently, it loads for a bit when you respawn or teleport, but not otherwise. They've already come up with all kinds of methods to work around it

>>507751405They would just choose to do more stuff and keep it at 30, no matter how powerful the hardware. The current hardware is several orders of magnitude more powerful than in 2000, but there has been no difference in the amount of 60fps games

>>507744438Console manufacturers could -easily- say "hey, if you wanna be on our system you need to run like this to pass our QA standards"

>>507743652rent free

>>507751852To a consumer that just sounds like "these games will look worse on our console than on the other one"

>>507752214No it doesn't.

>>507746596Why?

>>507752276Graphics sell

>>507743861feels good when you play PC games and the fps counter can go higher than 65fps.

>>507743456But you see the same frame with both eyes, 2FPS is redundant and a waster of resources.

>>507742967So exactly like every single other console and gaming platform ever released? Why is this a news article again?

>>507743652yes but what does this have to do with anything

>>507744682You have to give autists self awareness somehow, it’s not like they’ll figure it out themselves

>>507742967They're correct, only autists care about 60 fps.

>>507752349Many reasons, but mostly boil down to either incompetent developers, creative directors that hate high frame rates because it looks "cheap" or a mix of both.

>>507753154The grapes are actually quite sweet, Mr.Fox, and you could get to em if you wanted hard enough.I mean, even the normies get to those grapes, it's just your games that don't.

Remember when the PS4 and Xbox one were going to hit a constant 60fps at 1080p? Good times. I love being a subhuman consolefag who eats up marketing like a little piggy eating his slop.

Xbox One ran Battlefield 4 at 720p

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>>507742967OH NO NOOOOOOOOO

>>507742967>SOTC20-30 frames>Resident Evil 430 frames>Dark Souls 30 frames>Halo30 frames>MGS330 framesWhy are all the best games not 60 frames you guys?

>>507742967didn't their marketing push say 120 fps @ 4k resolution? oof

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>>507753154>t. console shitterAction games are borderline unplayable under 60fps.

>>507742967I told you moronsdoesnt matter how many TERAFLOPs or SSDs, console games will always run at 30fps

>>507753594here's the deal, kid. people care about games. PC has no games. only on console will you find all the exclusives that matter Bloodborne, Persona 5, Kingdom Hearts, FF7 Remake, etc. PC is a dumping ground for cheap ports.no game needs 60 fps other than fighting games and twitch shooters. fighting games already run at 60 fps on consoles and nobody fucking plays twitch shooters other than 3rdworld europoors.Got it? Good. now fuck off and go cope about not having any of our exclusives.

>>507742967>3 gens later>still cant into 60fpsPoorfags stop it, stop being slaves .

>>507743456*laughing crying emoji* user you're so silly

>>507753850Didn't all those games get remastered to run in 60fps? lol

>>507754073>reddit spacing>says PC has no games>has more games that xbox and sony combined>all xbox exclusives will be coming to PC>get more and more sony exclusives as time goes onLmao.. more like ex-clusives

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>>507742967Good. Games should utilise full power of consoles properly. I can understand indie trash aiming for 60fps, since the graphics will be shit anyway, but AAA games MUST push for max graphics at 30fps.

>E3 reveal specifically talked about framerates, and that "you'll see framerates like never before" "up to 120fps">Turns out all of that was a lie, either because the hardware can't handle it, or the devs are simply too lazy to optimize the game to run wellWhy even draw attention to frame rates just to backtrack later?

>>507744061i do. i don't buy ubishit games nor have i in many years.

>>507754769>implying it matters or that gaymers will ever care or hold companies accountable

>>507751405fucking nintendo can get 60fps on most games. its the trash aaa devs.

Microsoft wants to make sure people don't go out, break the distancing and buy their console.

>consoles have been 30 FPS or lower since PS1/N64Embarrassing.

>>507751405Explain why the switch does 60 on most first party games then.It's dev malice.

>>507742967>sony, microsoft and nintendo are greedy fucks that want to minimize cost while maximizing profitWhats funny is that if they took all that marketing budget and put it into development they could easily get to PC standards of todayAs it is not a single console will ever get to native 1080p 60 fps let alone 4k 144

>>507755694They used to be the kings of the frame rate, making the computers look like dogshit (except for the X68000, but that was a japan only beast)

>>507754769>either because the hardware can't handle it, or the devs are simply too lazy to optimize the game to run wellTry none of these. The devs simply don't want to do 60fps, because they want to do more stuff

>>507745737G-Police was kino,

>>507754489>Didn't all those games get remastered to run in 60fps?yes, and? Why should a game be compromised forever, when in 5-10 years improved hardware will allow it to run better anyway?

>>507742967>30 FPS on console>60 FPS for the eventual PC portWhat did devs mean by this?

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Remember when Sony had that strict 1080p police on PS4 launch? LMAO

>>507742967>>507742967>>507742967Sixty frames per second should've been the standard five years ago, but developers keep limiting their scope to pushing graphical fidelity (which has completely stagnated in the last three years).The very fact that they still refuse to guarantee anything beyond "buttery smooth" thirty frames has more to do with their lack of programming talents and general dismay at attempting to *gasp* downgrade visuals in order to maintain framerates.I honestly can't even play games at such a low framerate, they bother my eyes and have very odd input lag to me.

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>>507750978Games and cinema are different, a movie looks fine at 30FPS, a game looks and feels noticeably trash at at 30fps, it resembles a a stickman flipbook animation when in motion.

>>507756789Battlefield 4.. a fucking launch title was 900p..

>>507756576Things run better on 1000 dollar hardware than 300 dollar hardware

>>507756913>yes

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>>507745623>>507745623Yes. Its when you stop on your tracks, think for a second at the things you are buying and the stuff you are getting and think about the options you have elsewhere. Where you are less likely to get fucked. But no, people prefer to turn a blind eye and worship practices that only worsen your experience by greedy corporations that don't stand for any of the principles video games or art are made of.

>>507751417Discontinued, but can still be found, 24" 1440p 165hz:dell.com/is/business/p/dell-s2417dg-monitor/pdNot 144hz, but 4K at 24":dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-24-ultra-hd-4k-monitor-p2415q/apd/210-agnk/monitors-monitor-accessories

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>>507747092They have 60iq people working for them now.

>>507756913Exactly.

>>507756913 (You)This I know, but the very fact that people are still being tricked by it astounds me.

>>507756858Tell this to the creative directors pushing for 30 because they can't get to convince everyone to go to 24.

>>507758069Where did this 24fps meme even come from

>>507743736It's compounding dipshit. 2 pupils x 2 irises x 2 sets of rods x 2 cones x 2 optic nerves.You can only see 32 fps. XBox is right to shun freaks who can, or think they can, see more.

>spend weeks shitting up the board talking about how microsoft won and phil spencer saved xbox>talking about how they're getting 120fps@4k thanks to 12TF>talking shit about the PS5 SSD>now reality has hit them, 30fps games and microsoft already backtracking on their 60/120fps claims before the console is even out>xbabies are completely quietWill be good to see Sony easily win another gen again.

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>>507758208It's how fast the 19xx mechanical projectors could play movies at.

>>507758591Yeah but regarding video games

>>507742967No shit it's not a mandate but it should be the ideal of the absolute least devs should be optimizing for.Fucking amazing that the next generation isn't even out of the door and they are already making excuses while also marketing how much more powerful their new consoles are.>optimizing in 2020

>>507758696Developers would use the fact movies ran at that FPS to justify the shitty framerate on their games by calling it "cinematic experience"

>>507745623Some games already do this.

>>507759121Nobody has ever targeted 24fps

>>507751405do you honestly think that if the xbox were more powerful then the devs would make games 60fps as opposed to trying to go for 4k?

>>507755807>60fps>mostkek

>>507759185There are a few attempts but generally you don't do that because it would require to do inverse telecine and all the other sorts of hell, or you get choppy frame rate.Well this and Europe games that have to target 25

>>507760023>Europe games that have to target 25I don't think this has been a thing in over a decade. I remember on the PS2 games would sometimes ask if you wanted to use 50hz or 60hz mode but I had no idea what it meant

>>507751405Retard, it is shitty devs with old crappy engines which don't even remotely make the most of the hardware.

>>507742967And there I was ready to go xbox this gen... Dodged a bullet

>>507753073You can't give someone self awareness, dumbfuck

>>507742967>playable areas are smaller every generation>muh CPU power but enemies barely have IA or tactics>muh-graphics>cannot maintain constant 60fps

>>507742967since when has it ever been a mandate?

>>507743456>people are falling for bait this obviouswow there really are a lot of brain-dead idiots on this board

>>507744061because pc trannies are low iq sub-humans

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>>507764043>Couldn't figure out how to plug in PCI-E card>Blames trannysGet filtered you low IQ nigger dildo.

>>507743456>glasses>bifocalsWelcome to 8 fps retard

>>507763940You are the first genuine response to it

>>507753274>looks cheapI can understand the argument for cinema, but in games, fps makes the game feel more fluid to your live inputs, rather than passively watching something.Oh wait...

>>507743456love that bait

>>507742967Fuck 4k. Give me 1080p 144fps and the option of 1440p 60fps.

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