Can it be saved?

Did they ever fix hats so they actually change colors to match your armor skin?

>>507718791the thumbnail looks like a fucking gorilla in armor

>>507718791>has Bardin weapons>zero fucking rangeHuh?

>>507719009those are dwarfs, basically angry shaved chimps.>>507719010I'm thinking before the throwing axe was added, it's pretty gimmicky to use on Slayer anyway. Better off using melee.

>>507715075i hope so

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>>507719332Are you also thinking of the time before they added the 2h hammer, 2h axe and pickaxe?

>>507719625I'm obviously referring to projectile weapons, don't be a sperg.

>>507715075What's wrong with it if needs saving?

>>507718965no

>>507719848I mean there was a long period before WoM where Slayer was OP as hell despite having no rangedI don't know the state of balance right now so I can't say whether or not it's a good change, but saying they shouldn't nerf him EVER because of his handicap is stupid

>>507715075From what i heard the new drachenfels maps are promising but it's too little too late, Flopshart are genuinely one of the most retared developers i have ever witnessed

I had so much fun with my bros playing this game

>>507720371They are fun but are like a droplet of water to a dehydrated person when we need a jug of it. What am I supposed to do when I got everything done on Cata and my friends are too shit to try FoW cats?

just played it seems fine to me, although that pvp mode is taking very long

>>507720193>OP as hell despite having no rangedYeah, he's powerful if you're skilled at the game. Most of the time you'll run into a bad Slayer that just runs ahead and gets killed. They nerfed his leap pretty badly a while back, now it has a really weird arc that prevents you from getting timed hits that would usually sync with his in air damage buff. Completely uncalled for. I will admit that the tweak they made to prevent q-swapping was warranted.

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>>507720898Honestly I'd take a regular player of any other class/character than a good Slayer, even when he was OP. The utility of killing specials is too good to give up for just more horde killing (which everyone can do). Slayer has always just been a crutch for people who can't handle hordes on a normal character

>>507720898>nerf the fun class(Slayer)>completely botch beastmemes by having them bugged as all hell on release in true fatshark fashion>winds of magic in it's entirety outside of beastmemes>still no fucking daemon bossfight>game is for some reason focused on RNG loot cancer rather than just killing Skaven and Chaos shitsIt's incredible how a game can have absolutely stellar art direction and voice acting and yet horribly fall apart in every single other thing

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>>507721765You keep saying that they nerfed Slayer, but I think he's on par or maybe even better than before. At least with 2h weapon build.

>>507715075no it can't, it was fucked from the start and the shitshow that it has been ever since release is proof you shouldn't give any money to fatshark ever especially when you know that all their other releases were shitshows too

>>507721725A good slayer can effectively take out specials, hordes, and elites. It's not about the class really, it's about your level of awareness. I'm usually always on special duty in my QP groups because nobody pays attention, regardless of what class I'm playing. You're only relying on a crutch if you're using dual hammers. Also the only somewhat crutch classes in the game are Ironbreaker and Battle Wizard. >>507721765Still blows my mind how badly they squandered this. Like, you can have rune weapons, dragon slayer tattoos, AND JUST HANG OUT IN THE GARDEN OF NURGLE but still not be considered strong enough to fight Daemons or some of the more beefy monsters in Warhammer? Stupid.

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>>507723298Nah dude you gotta fight another fucking sorcerer who is identical to the one you already fought except he's in drachenfels' castleWhat's that, wanted to actually fight one of drachenfels' creations or something? fuck off

If they add more chatter between the player characters and do more to protect conversations from item and ability callouts, I'll keep playing it. There are a lot of new lines that I haven't heard yet because AS FLEETING SHADOW. They also need to agree on a general length for missions, then move the longer outliers like Bogenhafen into their own queue.

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>>507723267what was fucked? they pretty much nailed the skaven

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>>507724387half the abilities and skill trees didn't work, spawns were fucked, sound was fucked, legend was impossible, also they removed the roadmap like a month after the game was released because they had so many bugs to fix and couldn't keep up with any of it

>>507725023kek that sounds like hell, glad i bought it after launch on discount

>>507720828It's just going to end up being saltridden garbage with votekicks and crying all over the place.

>>507715075Yes, very easily. Increase drop rates for reds, and reduce the frequency of getting red accessories.Remove beastmen headbutts and reduce beastspear lunge radius and cone. Stop spawning gas rats and blightstormers 24 fucking 7. Fix hookrats sniping people from across the map. Nerf norscan charge attack spam. Fix blightstormer/ gasrat/ ratling gun aggro range. Make armored ratogres not spam their flamethrower, and fix all boss AI in general.And finally, nerf the fucking wutelgi already. There, the game is fixed. Only fatshark is never going to get off their lazy asses and implement ANY of this shit and, subsequently, they’re just going to continue to bleed players until VT2 is dead prematurely.

>>507727771Once Deep rock galactic gets rolling with its post release support fartshart is going to wish they did a better job

>>507716081>>507716337>>507716659They dropped the idea once Steam announced they were doing dedicated servers for non-Valve games. So just like how Steam Audio is being used in a game like Tarkov so the lazy devs don't need to overhaul the audio system themselves, Fatshark is just waiting for Valve to do dedicated servers for them.

>>507715075it's incredible what the idiots are saying in this thread is the current state of vermintide. game is in the best state it's ever been, and if you say it isn't, you clearly don't play the game currently at all

>>507720898base default leap range was increased, though it's not as far as it was with the previous talent.

>>507728431I jumped ship to go play DRG instead forever ago.Much better game with a much better dev team.

>>507728502It is in the best state its ever been in, but its also over 2 years since it launched and the amount of new maps, weapons/playstyle changes is a joke. The biggest core gameplay changes were the stagger changes, which people overstate, and the talent tree overhauls which actually did bring flavor back to the game. The problem is we are once again getting some subclasses being worse than others and changing numbers around seems to take them half a yearAlso adding ONE new subclass for ONE character seemingly will take a year, since it was announced at the end of last year and still hasn't come out.

>>507728502Hookrats can grab you if you don’t specifically dodge out of their hook, often leading to the thing fucking breaking model and distending itself to snag players who are several out of range. I’ve literally wiped because of this multiple times. Define ‘best state it’s ever been in.’

>>507728864yea i agree it sucks that the core content is coming at a glacial pace.

>>507725023Do they still have that bug were one of the skaven specials keeps looping his death gurgles after you kill him? Always thought that was hilarious.

Even if they did somehow magically fix every problem (lol), the only players left are newbies who just bought it and haven't been exposed to the Fartshit development hell, and the sycophantic sekrit discord "Vermintide Professionals" circlejerk that gave us the wonderful experience known as Winds of Magic. Anyone still hanging on to this game's corpse is an actual autistic discord tranny.

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>>507715075>lets split the dwindling playerbase even more by adding weave difficultiesFatshark can go fuck themselves

>>507727771>Increase drop rates for reds, and reduce the frequency of getting red accessories.NOOOOOOOOOOO! You can't just get reds willy nilly. Just WHAT reason would have for playing the game if you had all the reds. MUH PROGRESSION.Fuck Fatshark.

>>507727771literally get good lmao

>>507730059>It’s not the responsibility of the devs to fix bugs, it’s the responsibility of the players to develop strategies to not get curbstomped by said bugsOk, bootlicker.

>>507730454couldn't find a bug in your list of complaints. reds only give marginal increase in performance. if you suck dick at the game already, a few percentages on your weapon isn't going to do jack shit for you. idk how many more times they need to nerf beastmen for incompetent players like you.

>>507727771Looking at your list of complaints, you probably are bad at the game desu

I've been playing VT1 again and goddamn it's so refreshing to have an actually finished product that the devs won't fuck with.can even get full groups on most days, even if it's largely nightmare.

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>>507715075They’re trying to save it but they’re trying to feed it food when it’s dying of dehydration. Fatshark are hilariously incompetent and out of touch with the state of the game. We don’t want more content, we want them to fix what’s already there. They have a fucking nasty problem of hyping things and then abandoning them the second bug reports start coming in. I want to fucking love this game, it has potential to easily be one of the best co-op pve games out there, but Fatshark is making it really hard to like this game and they keep fucking sabotaging themselves.

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>>507728864This is my problem. It just gets boring. There aren't enough fucking maps. Need to be at least 20 fucking maps for a grindy-ass game like this.

>>507730751I’m not asking for a nerf to beastmen, no one asked for that. The problem is that the headbutts and the spear lunges are poorly choreographed. Also their collision is fucked, allowing them to all pool in one brown blob in front of you, making attack indicators even more important. Also, getting max rolls with reds is often necessary to achieve certain breakpoints, especially with some ranged weapons. If you think that an extra 3-4% damage DOENS’T make a difference, then you might just be the shitter here. Or you just play vet all the time.

why didn't this game become a hit?

>>507728864This user speak truth. The game is was, and is still good, REGARDLESS of Fatshark.Both Vermintide games are good, and even in V2, the combat change since WoM was an improvement. Its just that Fatshark are lazy(they only just released cosmetic MXT a few months ago....microtransaction of a few hats. They are lazy even for almost free money), and only work for doing retarded works (console versions, Weaves, Versus...). The game needs new maps, and they should let more mods be approved. But Fatshart gonna Fatshart.

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>>507731453VT1 was a sleeper hit, but VT2's horrible launch and massive drought period kneecapped its potential, then the yo-yo bug "fixing" and balancing curb stomped it.

>>507731201uh13 base game levels2 bogenhafen3 + 1 arena in Ubersreik3 DrachenfelsPlus the Winds of magic game mode which is short segments of stages remixed, or some shit.

>>5077314532 million sales ain't bad

>>507715075i don't get the hate for this game, all of the dlc's are like $3 on key sites. i'll just play a couple of hours of it every week with my friends, i don't really understand the progression too much i just like killing rats.

>>507731060What specifically identifies me as ‘bad?’ Is it the ratogre flamer? Are you saying they don’t spam fire everywhere? Or are norscans spamming charge attacks from behind, fucking up the backstab sfx not an issue for you? Have you never gotten sniped by a hookrat or gasrat from miles away?Of course you have. You’re probably a dumbass elf who spams f to get green circles, but can’t carry for shit.

>>507715075Not by Fatshark

>>507732251When someone tries the git gud card when you list a legitimate bug, they're either a parrot or a fanboy.In either case, you can dismiss their opinion as worthless.

>>507732782I basically already have, yeah, I’m just perpetually blown away by people defending fartshart’s laziness and incompetence like this.The game is plagued with issues, and the devs absolutely refuse to do shit all about it. That should be indefensible.

>>507732251>>507732782He's not even mentioning bugs in his list. Only the backstab sometimes being wonky is perhaps the only legitimate bug he mentions. He fails to understand intended enemy AI. How is saying to nerf something supposed to be directed at a bug? He also probably doesn't play twitch mode if he can't handle 2 or 3 blighters or gas rats running around the map at once, let alone cata. Do you understand what variability is in spawning algorithms?

>>507732782There were no bugs listed, retard.>>507732251>Are you saying they don’t spam fire everywhereYeah I would be willing to say that actually. It's your skill that determines how much he spreads fire you fucking mongoloid. You can even jump over his fire and make him use his fire in two small lines indefinitely while taking zero damage.Git commit "good"I didn't even bother reading further.

>>507733206It's been this way since the drought.Shit like hyperstacks and the chaos ice skating team just kept coming back and brainless retards insisted it was a feature

>>507731264i can tell you are probably new to harder difficulties if you are actually bothering to look at guides that calculate breakpoints for specific weapons. virtually no one i play with even takes that shit into account, and we play cata all the time. we can run off meta shit and still end up winning. i have 700 hours in this game and never calculated a single breakpoint

>>507733246The problem with the gasrats and blightstormers, as I said in >>507727771 is that their aggro range is fucked, allowing them to snipe you from across the map if the terrain is flat with decent visibility. This leaves them basically unhittable in certain situations, forcing you to just try and deal with gas globes/ vortexes with no recourse.I used to be able to solo leg runs before the more recent updates, and haven’t been able to anymore almost solely on account of specials.

>>507728431I wish DRG was as satisfying to play though, it's too easy even on hazard 5.

It's a decent hack and slash with friends, Better if you like Warhammer, Nothing more.I like being this guy

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>>507733740I don’t read guides. I test weapons stats until I can kill the widest amount of specials/ elites with the least amount of ammo.

>>507715075The fact that Legend will always be unfun RGN shit no matter how much I grind red killed the game for me.

>>507728431I just wish DRG did difficulty scaling as good as Vermintide. DRG "difficulty" aquates to being isntantly surrounded on all sides and having to retard jump around while soamming your classes AoE weapon. Shit like Acid Spitters will kill you eadily from complete darkness 100 meters away while grunts and swarmers spawn under your feet to bite your nuts. Has 4 is like 3x harder than a full book run on Legend in Vermintide.

>>507731785WoM also has one normal map. It's absolute shit though (largely thanks to the fact that it's all beastmen) so it's no surprise you would miss it.

>hey people are having fun>better make sure to nerf it in the next patch>hey people are having different fun and less of it>better make sure to nerf it in the next patch>hey people are still complaining this entire category of weapons is completely unusable>should we give it a few simple adjustments to give it proper usability?>no lets upheave the entire combat system and redo most of the skills so almost all the old playstyles are null that will fix it>good thing we can get away with adding a handful of weapons over the course of a year and just a few maps that nobody likes playing>hey lets put in a mode where you just play random areas of existing levels with modifiers while you start from scratch in a different mode and have the progress wiped every few months>yeah this'll be great>what the hell nobody is playing the game anymoreFatshark deserves everything they get. I played both games a decent bunch but if they cough up a game 3 I don't think I'll spring for it until I'm damn fucking sure it wont get treated like hot shit. Swedes are just incapable of making games well.

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>>507731813It is if 95% of the playerbase drops the game after their first day

Gear progression in this game is one of the worst ones I've ever seen.

>>507733792well that's why you take a long range sniper weapons -- that's what makes those weapons with high damage and zoom but slow reload or ammo count useful -- and have people actually prioritize specials. i agree sometimes it can be annoying that blighters can cast from so far away, especially on athel, but it's not often a problem - storms are easily avoidable if you take probably pathing and can disrupt enemies and armor. but have you considered when blighters cast literally point blank in your face? you have to take into consideration both scenarios when you complain about the special ai. they're job is to zone you, but by themselves they aren't that deadly. also, you can probably blame your team for doing a poor job of prioritizing specials. many random pubs nobody will focus on the specials when they show up. a good team most specials die in seconds from coming into view.

>>507722327His 1h build with dual hammers and single axe is one of the strongest builds in the game along side a top boss killer.

>>507715075>can it be saved?Quite easily but Fatshark is completely incompetent.

They'll just give up and make 3. Same shit happened to 1.

>>507715075A good co-op campaign where you make your own character, start as a pleb and slowly unlock more gear, with some big open areas would be amazing.

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>>507716017> "dropped the game as soon as they turned it into staggertide"I actually haven't even noticed the difference between before and after stagger. What does it even do?

>>507734704i agree with most of your post, but did you play during the patch where battle wiz could continuously press F into a horde constantly? it's not fun if shit is broken good either. i don't want OP shit in PVE. it actually makes it worse experience for the rest of the players in the match if you can be brain dead and press F the entire match. My friend only pressed F and held block the entire match to show how dumb it was. glad they listened. my point is that sure the battle wiz players were having fun, but trivializing the entire game for everyone. nerfs aren't necessarily bad. but i do agree they should elevate the less used weapons.

>>507734853They’re often not a problem in a lobby full of people who are competent at the game. But when you’re in a pub, and you have to drop everything during a horde/ bossfight to pixel hunt 3 blightstormers, this is a recipe for disaster, especially considering the fact that sighting in to hunt for specials with a sniper is directly impeded by the fact that blightstormer/ gasrat attacks are made to make you move and make getting a shot more difficult.>inb4 don’t play pubsThe shitty loot progression system heavily encourages you to play in pubs, and all of my friends who bought the game dropped it on account of the games bullshit mechanics and bugs, so it’s not as if I could host private runs even if I wanted to.

fatshit will do as they always do and take a fat shit on their player base by abandoning the game, shutting down servers so you can't play it, and announcing a new version with rehashed assets and more DLC

>>507735262FS’s problem is that they don’t get you should only look at a nerf if something is so ridiculously far ahead of the rest that it, as you say, is making it less fun for everyone else.Things like the ranged nerf, even if it was implemented horribly and should have just been returned to VT1 style, was absolutely the right decision after the great drought.

>>507735262>playing pub matchesYou only have yourself to blame

>>507736143Its not like I can play with friends anymore.

>>507736143pubs are sometimes a necessity though

>>507731171>we don't want more contentSpeak for yourself, the amount of content we have after 2 years is a fucking joke. Considering how much of that content is literally reused, it's frankly ridiculous.

Like most games made by Swedish devs, the base game is great and what they say is so promising. But after releasing the game(or early access releasing it) they don't give a shit about the game anymore and fucks everyone in the ass

>>507715075Waiting for the 40k version of this.

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>>507737220Already exists. Everyone hated it.

>>507735413communicate with your team then. idk what else you can complain about them.

>>507735262The issue is that they are completely fucking retarded when it comes to nerfing. They don't know or play their own game at all and only listen to those five people on the forums who constantly suck their dicks and tell them the game is fine and too easy.Sienna's ult was OP because kaboom was broken and its dot did way too much damage, so it would kill lots of enemies and thus reset its cooldown too fast. They then fixed kaboom AND put an internal cd on fires from ashes. They also removed the explosion on teleport start. So now it's completely useless. Fixing kaboom damage alone would've been enough.Same with famished flames and lingering flames.And the reason they nerfed those to boot? Weaves. Fucking weaves. They balance their entire game around them, hoping people will eventually start to play them.

>>507737220Deathwing was a disappointment and still is

>>507737220space hulk deathwing

>>507737423its as disappointing as vermintide, so worth the $10 price it usually is at

>>507737330>They don't know or play their own game at all and only listen to those five people on the forums who constantly suck their dicks and tell them the game is fine and too easy.Don't remind me about those fucking streams where devs and other people in the company would play pubs and were absolutely fucking dogshit and struggled to make it through veteran much less champ or legend.

You know they fucked up when Payday 2 is in a better state than VT2. Like seriously, Overkill got their shit together somehow and PD2 is in a decent state now yet fartshart can't rub two braincells together to save their game.And some small indie devs manage to make something like Deep Rock which is more polished than both of them. It's funny really.

>>507737423The atmosphere is top notch with amazing sound and environmental design. The problem was that the balance was awful so you either walked through a level effortlessly or everything instagibbed you and it was a chore.

started playing it today on ps4, was fun when there were actually humans to play with

>>507738039I think that depends on the host, where a host with a good cpu will have more hordes and shit spawn. fucking stupid

I was just playing this earlier. A hook rat pulled me out of bounds on a map. I found out that there is no unstuck function to respawn if you get caught on something in the environment. Then after a little searching around the web I found this has been a consistent issue for 2 years, and the devs won't add a basic feature to the game because they apparently hate the players.

>>507738283Read any of their posts on reddit and you'll see the immense twats they are.

No but hopefully they get their shit together for 3. Seriously there sitting on a gold mine for content & they keep fucking it up. Assuming they magically fix all their problems,they could add:>Different parties from across the globe>New factions>Role reversal (Ex. 4 Orks/Chaos champions vs a professional army)

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>>507739103>hopefully they get their shit together for 3

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>>507739103>hopefully they get their shit together for 3I wish I was optimistic as you

>>507739103>hopefully they get their shit together for 3Thats what everyone said for 2

Never played the first game, but I bought VT2 on release despite the doubts about the developer. Easily put over 100 hours into and loved it, then they released the first DLC and changed the combat. Never touched it since then and it sounds like I dodged a bullet.

>All difficulties excluding the 1st 2 have friendly fire on at all times>Only rewards you get are from scrounging the map for books>Game was balanced around 1% compnigger equivalents All of this >>507739103I understand people like this type of reward system BUT if i'm playing a horde game I don't want to memorize every spot for an item to increase my odds at getting better loot (FOR EVERY MAP). While having the main action of the game having no result of my reward. Shit's stupid for progression. Maybe b/c I mainly play solo/pubs & it's geared for friend groups idk.

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I remember playing it a bit at release with some pals, it was fun but bugged as hell and the devs seemed to be nerf-happy.Judging from the thread we didn't miss much since

>>507739103Starting as shitty norscan and dying to militia while raiding until you become blessed champion of chaos and hits just go BOINK from your armor sounds kino. You could even remove heroes and go for full customization, different gods etc.

>>507740296>I don't want to memorize every spot for an itemWhat's worse is that those locations never change and dictate the way through the map. Some maps like the pit have multiple routes that you never see because there are no books. It also slows you down because you have to do silly jumping puzzles or take detours.I also hate that they take item slots and kind of force you to take curse resistance.

>>507715075If they add a Bretonnian I will play again

>obnoxious bugs like double spawns>inconsistent difficulty>no dedicated servers>barely a trickle of contentThe game is good, but unless you have 3 other friends who love the game and are good at it, what's the point?

>>507741957This if the game was balanced around completing objectives in the game, supporting team mates & killing mobs as the main progression for rewards (While having books as minor none time wasting bonuses) I'd be cool with them.>>507741187Seriously think of of the party options you could get if Fatshark got their shit together for hero options:>Orcs & Gobs>Chaos Champions for each god>Kislev (Ice magic & Slavs)>Bretonnians>Lizardmen>Vampires>Light & Dark Elves>Nippon, Cathy, Araby>Small knight Orders

>>507743002It's also impossible to play solo because the matching system will 99% of the time put in some russian's party with 300 latency.

>>507743090>What’s that? You want new heroes and more content?>Here’s a reskinned outfit. It’s blue now. Enjoy.

>>507743002>obnoxious bugs like double spawnsThey absolutely gave up on fixing that and said it a "feature" after a year

I'm actually impressed that a game with a cosmetic store has cosmetics so fucking ugly that no one wants to buy them even when they're given free ingame currency.

>>507743358>Here’s a reskinned outfit. It’s blue now. Enjoy.>The helmet is still green though

>>507744506fatshart are probably so incompetent that they can't have the helmet a different color without making it a new item rather than changing it's tint

>>507744252They added some pretty cool helmets for like 3k shekels a piece, but they were removed again when people complained about the ridiculously grindy requirements.FS promised to adjust the price but never did and the helmets haven't been re-added to this day.

>>507745012And then they added a $10 hat at random and removed it forever without telling anyone. FS is not smart.

>>507745012What the fuck is wrong with Fatshark, its even a good game but how can they just consistently fuck up again and again. In the same ways too.

>>507745012Jesus Christ this cant be real.

>>507718791Agreed, I got the game the sale a while ago and I completly hated the progression system, that pretty much kept me from playing it

if you didnt experience the game before weave you really missed outfuck fatshark

>>507745332Whats to hate with the progression?

>>507745012>They added some pretty cool helmets for like 3k shekels a piece, but they were removed again when people complained about the ridiculously grindy requirements.what the hell when was this

>>507715706I still can't believe this was something that actually happened.It's like german masturbation machines beating off jews to death, it just sounds too outlandish and dumb to be true.

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Why do they refuse to release drop chances? Literally every other games does it and works fine.

>>507746496We should be asking if this company actually exists or if its just a lawfirm who owns the name and outsources everything to untraceable Indian code monkeys.

>>507745273Here are a couple of them. I remembered them looking better but at least the pyromancer one is pretty neat.>>507746248>what the hell when was thisFirst Drachenfels patch. If you scroll down in that thread, you find picture related.forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-2-2-0-1-chapter-2-of-the-curse-of-drachenfels-is-out-now/38462/31

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>>507738039>or everything instagibbed you and it was a choreAny fullblooded genestealer is supposed to tear through a terminator like butter, so everything in a horde should basically one-shot you

300 hours in VT2 so i'll say thisWhile i've had fun, im not sure it can be saved. How do you not add maps initially or only add one shitty one as a paid DLC? if Fatshark had stopped being retarded they would have made actual map packs. 3 or more that could have added to the game as continued DLC. They've since sort of done that with Bog (which no one gives a shit about), the VT1 maps which are all just reused, The WoM maps are actually ok but too little too late. Weaves? Who gives a shit about weaves? I get that they can add more challenge but now im supposed to re create gear that gets wiped eventually, there is no point. In game cosmetics that you can earn without buying better than entirely paid but still shit regardless. Also no new characters? Lame. What ever happened to the versus mode they announced awhile back? Haven't heard anything about that. All in all I still like Vermintide but can it really be saved? No

>>507746776that just looks like the default battle wizard head piece lmao

>>507746776>mask of the chastehehe coom

are elf players still the worst?

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>>507745960I have 750 hours and have completed hundreds of legend matches and I probably have half of all the red weapons in the game.

>>507748896Yes, waystalkers especially. The only time you’re likely to find a good *lf player is if they main handmaiden, which is the only career who doesn’t have a ‘push f to win the game’ ult.

>>507748896name each careers typical player>slayer BUKKAKEEE *kills himself*>IB/ranger bro tier especially the ranger vets>waystalker plays class which can press f to win with increased health regen and superb ranged and melee options. Still somehow fucks everything up>shade too varied>handmaiden patrician choice though you sometimes luggage>battlewizard absolute bro tier>pyromancer who playes her anymore>unchained eh>zealot gets shit done>whc usually good>BH is either god or exists in constant state of down>Merc/knight decent>huntsman same as BH

>>507748896Weirds ass bug eyes

>>507750014>>Merc/knight decent>knight>decentI’ll agree to Merc being decent, but FK is a garbage-tier class that attracts the most inept players.

>>507750014>slayereither kills himself constantly and unironically gets grabbed by leeches, but is nice and will ult off the cliff at the end of a map with books for the luls, or is the biggest try hard on planet earth>IBIronbreakers are either dogshit try hards who couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper bag and somehow manage to get downed the most, or they clutch the run in epic fashion. No inbetween.>Ranger VetBros. Never had a bad experience with a ranger.>waystalkeris either the stereotype or a decent player that shits all over bosses and specials. Will make your run hell or a walk in the park. Tend to get overheaded by a SV as they're getting revived because they don't know to hold block while getting revived.>shadesee above except shade is in general just a bit better>handmaidenVery rare. Will either save everyone that downs and never take damage or be a useless retard.>battlewizardBros but can be try hards. Likely the first to bitch at you for "running ahead" when you're literally a stone's throw away.>pyromancerA complete enigma. More experienced than BW even though BW is just better>unchained Like ironbreaker, somehow manages to shit the bed despite having an insane amount of effective HP.>ZealotEither puts all the skaven and northlander shits into his blender and purees for 20 minutes straight or somehow goes down faster than the elf and uses healing pots while at half health.>whcThe faggot on the mic who orders people around and bitches at you for trivial shit. Or a good player.>BHYou nailed it. I hate bounty hunters so fucking much.>MercHas yet to discover the proper talent setup to unlock the full potential of the executioner's sword, doesn't know that stacking DR is OP af.>KnightNever had a bad experience, but also doesn't exist.>Huntsmansame as BH except 80% of the time they're actually good.

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>>507733859Bounty Hunter is incredibly based

>>507751951>but is nice and will ult off the cliff at the end of a map with books for the luls, or is the biggest try hard on planet earthI do both of these

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splitscreen mods could save it

>>507747061If you don't kill them a single genestealer can easily DPS right through your chest armor and gib you

>>507751754>FK in garbage-tiertake it back.

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>>507746283>>507715706holy shit? any source on this info? i tried googling but cant find anything , i played it at launch but dropped it since i had no friends to play the hardest difficulty with

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>>507751754I was talking about players. Though I usually play on cata where FKs know they exist to stagger so your mileage may wary.>>507751951Thanks user for showing me how its done!

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>>507752820I’m just as mad about as you are, buddy. I even have the 100+ champ mission crown helmet and leg armor which looks badass. But the dude just sucks dick at everything. His only good build is exec sword, which is done infinitely better by Merc.

>>507752978> i tried googling but cant find anythingBecause they keep deleting old threads from their forums. You can find a summary here.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/87jn71/developer_acknowledges_bug_with_hero_power_scaling/

>>507753707Prob not 100% optimal but while I was playing cata I saw players using shield and sword/mace. On one attempt two of our team mates died and we only managed to survive the hordes thanks to his stagger and ability to relocate with me once we got stuck in the corridors (both using ult)

>>507753745hoooooly shit this is gold, how the actual FUCkK does this happen? fcu kem these are some incompetent devs

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>>507753575Surprisingly accurate.

>>507746745This except it’s literal monkeys

>>507754114Both of FK’s shield weapons have a difficult time of killing elites, and can even struggle with hordes if you’re not careful. In my time playing FK, I’ve found that the 1h mace +10% crit is probably the best build that isn’t done better on Merc. Even then, its performance isn’t stellar.

It's good but after a thousand hours it's sorta boringI wish they had way more maps, or maybe randomized the weaves.

>>507754149>Game no longer uninstalls itself after particularly rare crash

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>>507715848>better ways to kepe people playing maybeThey'll probably have to turn the series into a looter shooter to get the gatcha addicts. The itemization in V2 is pretty shallow though.

do beastmen archers still shoot through hordes?

>>507738039I didnt even have a problem with that, there just wasnt enough fucking content. there was maybe 10 short missions, and the multiplayer class system was fucked.

>people want hats more than anything>develop a system for players to work towards unlocking cosmetics so that it's not completely reliant on RNG>when it's near completion, halt all progress on said system to pour all of your resources into a negatively received expansion>finally get around to finishing and releasing Lohner's hat emporium but it's so grindy that people lose interest if WoM hasn't already made that happenI haven't played since the month of WoM's release but it's pretty impressive how poorly thought out this clown show has been.

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>>507739103>tfw no vermintide with skinks set in an abandoned temple city>no bretonnian knights>no kislevians>no dlc where the party goes to sylvannia and fights hordes of the undeadfuck you fatshark

do i reinstall & finish maxing all the classes?

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>>507756193Holy shit they shouldn't remove the rollerino properties system and allow us to choose effects like in weaves. Nobody likes rolling 5 years when they want to try something different That and loadouts would be great.

>>507753575>ironbreaker>hard to masteryeah i'm gonna need an explanation on that. What's hard to master about realizing your ult gives you 50% DR, picking barskin, and the talents that aren't shit?

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>>507756510Sure, I just did all the cata maps and feel hollow. Start with classes you dislike so end isn't nightmare.

>>507715075that one single combat updateyes that onepretty much sealed its fate forever, it was actually almost enjoyable to play before that

I can't understand the appeal of this game, running the same maps over and over in PvE co-op got boring after the first day of playing it

I'd be tempted to go back to the first game if it wasn't for the godawful loot system.

>>507756792You can survive, but can you be useful? Might sound like dumb question but it isn't out of ordinary that IB doesn't bring anything to team and just dies last.

>no Kerillian sfm videos

>>507757004Its about the mastery and getting better at the games for those who stick, its great feeling being able to clutch or kill boss on your own. But don't take me wrong game NEEDS regular updates and the cursed live service module.

>>507715075No.

>>507750014Every public IB I run into is a retard that somehow ends up getting downed the most often since it's the easy mode class.

>>507758846I think that's just funny. What's worse is the Bounty Hunter, Shades and other squishy classes that I run into with Natural bond still. They always get downed and then waste healing to get a shitton of temp hp or bug people to heal them because they are garbage.

>>507754578Sword and shield is infinitely better than the godawful 1h mace. It does not struggle with hordes, you can hold a horde of trash and infinity berserkers, stormvermin, and maulers by just spamming block-push->shield slam (which has infinite cleave) or just shield slam spam when you finally run out of stamina. Sword and shield only struggles to kill Chaos warriors because you can just push-attack->heavy attack to stab stab stormvermin/bestigors in the face and kill them in 2-4 stabs depending on crit RNG. Other elites are unarmored and are dispatched by left click or stab spam. I heavily recommend trying foot knight again with S&S and using all the talents that give power or attack speed (with 5% crit on the weapon and trinket. attack speed on these is a little overkill and its much efficient to get BCR or stamina recovery/curse resistance) and using it to its fullest potential.>>507758962I cant fucking believe people STILL run natural bond when you can just run boon of shallya and get your temp health regen increased by 30% or barkskin to increase your effective health by a shit ton.

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>>507759796Forgot to mention in my rant how amazing the Sword and Mace is on FK is as well but then you're just a worse slayer/zealot/shade who can't bully 25 stormvermin into a river.

>>507759796Boon is always a good choice, but man I don't like Barkskin. It feels like it's real good for getting hit alot but the end goal is to not get hit a lot to begin with so I prefer boon.

>>507758962I've seen a lot of Zealots with natbond lately.

>>507760630But why their whole thing is having low health and a lot of temp hp. Why. Just why.

>>507748896elf host players? yes 100%

best boy

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>>507715075I leveled up ways talker during the 3x exp and holy shit it made me so fucking mad in hindsight. She is so fucking broken its ridiculous how the fuck do you even fail with this class? auto aim multi crit headshot F that regens ammo TO MAX and has no fucking cool down with build in health regen like its a pleb tier fucking console shooter. multiple weapon choices with super high speed, horde clear, armor pierce, god tier dodge AND movement speed. The amount of fucking emfs that die with all these crutches, that take ammo when all you have to do is press f, not even aim, just f for full ammo, the amount that friendly fire when all options are a fucking laser, the amount that get hit with max speed max dodge max reach and max movement. Holy shitwhat is the downside to playing her supposed to be? that people will think your a tranny and/or weeb? I don't understand

>>507760921It kinda makes sense. When you’re at low health typically, you can get panicked and mess up. As a zealot, at low health, you can keep yourself alive long alive for NB to heal you in any significant manner

>>507764459That's retarded. You don't want to be healed. You want to have a shitton of temp hp to keep your power buff rolling.

>>507727771yea sorry you're a faggot. the game has about a bazillion problems and you're focused on nerfing 3/4 of the enemies and one of the player characters for some reason in a non-competitive coop game that can be solo'd at highest difficulty with bots? are you autistic, bad, or both?

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>>507764361The downside is, as you said, all elf mains are brain dead retarded, so they need all the help they can get.For real though, they did that thp nerf to fuck with zealots after they did the HA+F nerf, but every time they modify the elf, it’s a buff rather than a nerf. There’s gotta be some kind of favoritism going on.

>>507764689Fartshart has given everything and then some to the elf. All of her weapons are fast and do decent damage via piercing armor or overheads. They all also have max dodge counts on them (with the sword having an effective dodge count of fucking 100). She has regen at low health but can still use healing pots, plus everything >>507764361 said. I love all the obvious elf mains who came here to tell people to ‘git gud’ even though they themselves are known as the bane of the community because they rely on a horde of crutches to beat missions.

>>507764361elf mains usually never bother to learn melee so they fucking die if they're caught off guard or ambushed. not uncommon for them to run off and try to do everything on their own or use a particular bow not suited for the role they want to play.

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>>507764550Think of it like this: you’re either at high hp, which is good for obvious reasons, or you have insane buff stacks. With the thp nerf, it’s no wonder some zealots are playing it a bit more safe.

>>507765251right but who gives a fuck? what are you 12? somebody gets more greens than you in a coop game and you want to nerf it? fyi i only played with bots because suffering bad faggots like you kills my braincells. you have to level up and gear all the characters individually to make them effective bots, so i'm not an "elf main" (again, underage detected), i'm just not bad at the game. or i wasnt, since i dont play anymore because it's been out for two years and had almost zero compelling new content that wasn't rehashed from vermintide 1.

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>>507765678I don’t want to nerf elves for my sake. I main WHC and Merc, and spend most of time doing crowd control/ keeping enemies away from my squishier teammates so they can snipe, I don’t lust for green circles like you I’m sure do. The problem is, elves are super effective for dealing with bosses, specials, and patrols, but it’s a crapshoot whether they’ll be alive for when you run into something, because relying on dozens of crutches has completely stunted their growth. Elves constantly get downed by the dumbest shit, and always wind up becoming a liability. If I had I nickel for every time I’ve seen an elf just eat a backstab while they’re sniping shit miles away, I’d be a very wealthy man.

>>507765417Bitch ass pussies you mean.

>>507759796I like Natural Bond because I only ever get hit once every 8 minutes or so, so having the regen to get me back to full green in the meantime is nice. The 30+% healing from Boon doesn't sound necessary to me considering the insane amount of THP you already generate from the THP on kill talent in Cataclysm. Also helps that I play with a friend who plays Merc.

It can be saved by letting me mating press the elf.

>>507766158>>507765678Not to mention, elves love hosting pubs, but when they inevitably run off and get downed like a retard, they ragequit and close the lobby halfway through the mission and just wasting everyone’s time.

>>507766342Remember when this was brought up to fat shark and they said "we're working on it"? This is basically the status quo for this entire fucking game.Something is fundamentally broken that needs QoL work on and Fatshark are more worried about buffing the elf and implementing shit no one asked for.

In the future Fatshart just needs to never fucking overhaul the combat again, and never fucking nerf anything that isn't broken due to bugs or glitches. Instead buff the stuff that's shit.

>>507766517>Fartshart, there are numerous bugs in VT2 that are preventing us from enjoying it>We hear you loud and clear. In the newest patch, all elf bows will receive a 10% flat damage buff.

>>507764361Elf is just insanely strong, which makes her attract shitters. An actually good elf is a godsend.

>>507766158>some pussy ass shitso pick the elf and instantly never see one another player mishandle one again? glide through these "bugs" you're pretending are a big problem with effortless ease? you're insisting on pugging randoms but complaining that their quality is random. why are you such a pussy?

>>507766297my thoughts when I saw the gutter runner gameplay on the versus announcement

I've been kinda wanting to play the game again since I dropped it shortly after WoM release, but I don't know how the meta's shifted or what I should be running.

>>507766701Basically what they did for V1 actually. They just have brain damage and forgot all the good things they did for v1.

>>507756096I'd add it needed more enemy variety. I know space hulk was about genestealers, and I don't mean throw in the fucking Tau, I mean have other types of tyranids for at least visual variety.

>>507766749You're welcome.

What should they add as enemies next time and why is it orchaos dwarves