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he had better trash the pos that was TFA. No going soft it was bad and everyone involved should be ashamed

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I wonder if people go up to him and cry out "Save us!"

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What's the difference?

haha AIIIIDS xPPP

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It's only still Ep. 4 because Lucasfilm hasn't created new logos

thank you but no

What did they mean by this?

nao postring in ebin bread

nah

whast did he mean by this?

Nah

WHATHA SDFID HE MEM BY THIS?

Giving into fan pressure

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WHAT

did he trips by this?

When are you going to expand your spam catchphrase again?

I have a feeling he won't but at the same time I think the reason people were soft on it was because "STAR WARS IS BACK". Even though enough time has passed and its a plain as day focus-tested remake of aspects of the original films.

I don't understand how people can like it. It was the worst fanfiction tier written film I have ever fucking seen. You could of literally gone to tumblr and asked for a star wars script and gotten a better film out of it.

"They look up to me and cry: save us! I look down to them and whisper, no".

-Actors sucked and were a middle finger to audience just to score progressive diversity points.
- Mary sue Mary sue Mary sue!!!
- Mary sue was not even pretty
(flat & with a hub cap for a face)
- Villain is a deformed man child that only inspires loathing from the audience where as Vader was actually a really interesting and cool character.
-Story sucked and was a poorly handled watered down ripoff of the originals.
-"Resistance" is the republic army ?! Instead of what the name implies terrorists opposed to the republic or the Imperial side since they lost after the originals.
- Imperials do not looks cool or slick as in the originals instead they look (ascetically) sloppy. Seriously adding a cape on a storm trooper makes the whole think looks like parody
To add to that the imperial side has no character that represents the empire for example Grand Moff Tarkin , Admiral Piett or even someone like the guy that blasted the shield generator with his AT-AT in ESB ( pic related).

- Star-ships are all identical to original except with different colors. What happened to technology becoming obsolete or did the "republic's" communist policies retard technological progress?

-bb8 useless robot for merchandising because all Star Wars films need a robot that coos and makes beeping sounds.

-Millennium Falcon given to stranger Mary sue character for no reason. Leia may want to sell it or Chewy being first mate may have some use for it….. nope Mary Sue gets it because feminism.

Its a bad movie that banked on hype and stupidity for profits worse in my opinion than even the prequels.I sincerely hope Disney loses money on the next Star Wars movies domestically and internationally.
Make some original movies already!

You know i think you could do a parody of TFA and make some social commentary on the state of movies in general with how they rehash everything and don't come up with anything new. And how shallow the diversity they put in is.

Ther's that too but i think it's about the critics' egos.

They were shitting in Lucas, saying SW sucked because of him.
And now that somebody else made a SW movie they HAD to say it's good otherwise they would have contradicted themselves.

This.

Mike has a hateboner for Lucas. And he also said JJ Abrams would be a great Star Wars director years before TFA.

And then Disney bought him off by sending them tons of Star Wars merchandise.

My bet is he's watched the movie once.

It's a reference to David Lynch's recanting of his salady lunch with George Lucas. They've mentioned that they're aware of this interview on one of the Half in the Bag's.

*recounting

They have a point with the Lucas hate especially after those cash-grab prequels however the monstrosity that is disney's TFA is even worse. No mercy should be given to Disney and the steaming pos they pushed on the public as a "star-wars" movie.

They do, but they keep bombing

this is what patreon bux do

And it's not like they said the movie was a masterpiece anyway

I miss you, George.

The prequels were just like the original trilogy, the only thing that changed was you.

george please

You know it's true, all this nitpicking of the prequels is just because people were angry that they weren't little kids anymore. Even the changes to the original trilogy were good, the people who are annoyed by them are so because of nostalgia.

The prequels weren't shit because of George's ideas in general, the prequels were shit because he was surrounded by yes men and he had no one to challenge him. That and his directing sucked.
You'd think that some of the cast couldn't act based on the prequels, but see them in other films and it becomes clear who was the problem.

The acting was no worse than in the OT. As for the directing he's actually a genius tier director but he was never a conventional one, visually the prequels are breathtaking. What people take issue with is that he refuses to abide by standard modes of storytelling but this should have been obvious since THX 1138. One of the major things is that he wants to communicate almost exclusively visually to the point where you could see the film in another language and still understand it. His 'visual tone poems' as they were are the most experimental films to ever get as big commercial success as they have.

Now the "yes men" you could argue failed to dumb his vision down into purely commercial works but since he paid for everything he was entitled to have complete control. He was incredibly heavily involved in each of the films in the original trilogy but he wanted to make sure the prequels were kino by doing everything himself. And he succeeded.

He could just have done a JJ style nostalgia cash grab if he was in it for the money you know but he didn't.

would you say the execution of the prequels was a problem? Personally I liked the ideas he had I just think he could've refined it a bit.

I'm not sure, that depends on what you mean by problem. I think they accomplished exactly what they set out to do but that in itself can be a problem for some people.

The problem with the prequels isn't necessarily the core plot or lore. It's the fact that the directing, casting, and acting are all just plain bad.

By problem I mean the minor stuff that gets in the way like having Anakin as a kid and maybe retooling the romance between Anakin and Padme. Then again I think it may become fan fiction at that point. Nice vid user.

That's the kind of stuff that I meant. The romance between Anakin and Padme is on one hand pretty much cringe overload for many people but yet it does execute a classical chivalric romance right. It even made people think George was autistic for real but he didn't aim for realism when he made that. So I don't know, is it a problem? On one hand it's a part of that mythopoetic fabric that makes Star Wars so iconic and has given the saga such a timeless quality to it but on the other most modern people find it too weird, especially if they don't know anything about the literature it references.

Is Mike a huge pleb for real or does he just pretend for entertainment purposes?

BS I didn't actually see the original Star Wars until I was in my teens in the 2000's, the prequels are terrible in comparison and the "special effects" of the special edition cheapen the movie.

I don't think you understand the purpose behind the new additions, since Lucas made the saga with the intention that people watched it in its entirety in numerical order changes had to be made to the OT in order to make it a cohesive and consistent whole. It also doesn't cheapen the original films but improve the whole experience if watched as intended.

Explain why you think so and please refrain from spouting RLM "Mike went to filmschool once so he totally knows what he's talking about" memes.

its actually what I think also I just don't like that bald guy.

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Wich one of you did this?

It's on the new vid

youtube.com/watch?v=bVzymV7P8Vs

Surprising amount of thumbs up from that den of cuckoldry tbh

Pretty good conversation, to be honest.

wtf i already complained about this on my facebook Holla Forums-group

Sorry, I deleted the last 2 comments.

Okay, I need to ask this.

What's the deal with Youtube avatars depicting a letter of the alphabet? Is it a statement? An Internet club? The latest hipster trend?

I think that's the default it goes to now if you don't have a custom avatar. It's the first letter of your username and probably a random color.

mmm, that's some good asmr

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Why are all RLM drones such tools? Listen up sonny, first of all you need to understand that the author of the saga has the final say, he wanted the series to feel consistent so he retouched his older works. Now you have people whining that they can't watch them due to autism about these minor changes and improvements, fine, Lucas don't want to waste money on something he doesn't consider the best and final version of his work but he releases the original versions on dvd with a cheaper transfer from a laserdisc anyway just to appease tards like you. Cue more whining from the spergs.

Even if he paid for the rather expensive enterprise of restoring the original release out of his own pocket you'd still find ways to complain. First of all there was no single original version, there were several and then there are the many things he fixed with his improved versions. If he released one of the theatrical cuts on bluray you'd most certainly start complaining about matte paintings and other things you'd like him to fix.

So riddle me this, if you can watch the theatrical releases then what are you whining about? When you watch Star Wars as a whole you most definitely want the special editions, so them being sold together with the prequels makes perfect sense.

I genuinely miss this fat fuck. Disney's new expanded universe has only been around for a few years (2 or 3?), yet they've already made a bigger and more confusing mess than the old one and all their new media is terrible. Rebels is pretty much the only decent thing they got but the damn thing is so fucking safe and non-violent it makes both Clone Wars cartoons look like adult masterpieces. Even they never went soft on the drama, gore and cursing. At the same time, if by some crazy event Lucas did get Star Wars back he would probably be stupid enough to sell it again, so really there's no saving the franchise at this point other than making the most basic and predictable films for the easily satisfiable masses.

REMINDER THAT THEY DIDN'T TRASH THE MOVIE WHEN IT CAME OUT

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I always remove rich from the rest when talking RLM. Rich is the true genius

I still remember them all saying it was fine for what it was trying to be, while still ribbing at the movie like they always do

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Yes, I clearly watched the video, stop acting like you wouldn't be bitching if they were forced contrarians

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Really? He just sounds like a liberal that is really good at holding his tongue and stopping himself from revealing his commie power levels.

I appreciate it when anons put effort into making shitpost images.

you don't know rich then

You sure? He seems pretty faggy and leftist.

Nigga, George Lucas is like Bryan and Mike from Avatar, he was an over glorified idea guy who let his ideas go too fucking far and created a bunch of nonsense and loud noises.

Has anyone seen the RLM porno? Mike and Jay Make A Porno.

Take some wubms.

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That depends on what you consider most important. The Jew Awakens is arguably better since it's just a rehash of the first movie while the prequels are just dogs hit movies in general. On the other hand, you can argue the prequels are better since they actually tried to do something original while Kikesney basically frankenstiend their movie together.

Death of the artist, dumbshit. His "vision" and desire for the series doesn't make it not shit. An artist has the entire right to make changes to his own work, but it doesn't automatically mean the changes were good.

Watching the originals, and watching the changes, the originals are better, regardless of who shat them out. This isn't always the case, but it is the case here.

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Post-structuralism is shit.
Says who? You?

Reddit is like the RLM crowd and indeed fans of them, reddit unironically loves the OT while hating the prequels even though they're just the same. Shiieet, RLM even has their own subreddit or what they are called, you don't get more mainstream than mindlessly shitting on the prequels because someone told you they were bad.

In fact, it's the prequel bashing that's a stale meme.

I don't know what that is. I just know that it's nonsensical to pretend that a work can stay exactly the same, but be better or worse just based on its context. That something corny or shitty is suddenly not shitty or corny just because of what the director was "thinking". Fuck off with that shit; it's stupid, and it makes no sense. It's an excuse to try to find as many angles as possible to justify a bad argument. It's the "intersectionalism" of art.

No shit. Yes, the things I say are my words.

Good argument.

The special editions do make the series as a whole a better watch. They were good in the context of the series. Naturally they feel like dumb nonsensical additions if you only watch the OT.

Consider the change Tolkien made to The Hobbit in order to make it fit with The Lord of the Rings series, it doesn't improve the original book in itself but it enriches the grander story. Lucas didn't even change the narrative but simply made aesthetic changes.

Do the entire fanbase hate it though? In my experience most people who watched the series in the intended order like the prequels just as much as the original trilogy. Almost everyone who grew up with the prequels like them besides a few very loud contrarians and poser patricians.

Those people have not watched them in ages and view them with rose-tinted glasses provided they haven't jumped on the ironic hate bandwagon.
Anyone who watches them objectively again as an adult will see the effects have aged well but the plot is shoddy and ideas are executed poorly.

I grew up with the prequels as a kid. I watched the original trilogy first thru the video tapes my parents had, then the prequels. I liked them when I was younger but as I got older I realized the flaws in them. The only one I have any enjoyment of is Revenge of the Sith and even that one had flaws as well.

New HitB

youtube.com/watch?v=bVzymV7P8Vs

A little over 2 minutes in and Mike is already on his A game.

Well, you see that's where I think you're wrong. If you watch the films on their own terms I think they're all great. They all suffer from the same "problems" or "flaws" but those are due to the nature of the work. The minimalistic dialogue written to not overshadow the visuals, the "bad" acting that much like in silent film is meant to convey everything through mannerism and expression, the plots that are mere frameworks for his visual storytelling… What people usually criticise are exactly the things that make Star Wars what it is and so unique.

That's spooky user. We had the exact same experience down to the letter.
tfw AT-ATs used to look real but now the movement appears jerky as an adult

yeah they are kind of jerky but I appreciate some of the old school charm they had.
One thing I wanted to see during the prequels was the full scale battles. In the OT you had an underdog fighting a topdog in the prequels you have 2 equally powerful military forces duking it out like WW2. I wanted to see the full might of that but I only got glimpses in those movies. Thankfully the Clone Wars cartoons satisfied my desire for that.

RLM humor is getting too deep for me. I can't tell if this is ironic or they made a mistake.

So basically I should have Lucas should have replaced them with CGI ones in the special edition?

Check the description

I was watching on a TV

Based Lynch

i agree with jack

POO POO PEE PEE

So when is the next Plinkett review out?

Not surprising.

Never

Is Mike just trolling people who want to see him demolish TFA at this point?

He could be. This isn't the first time they teased plinkett reviews. Look at all the movies plinkett said he was going to review back in 2012.

But I guess when it comes to TFA their reputation is being put on the line, especially after Mike said he loved it. Since the plinkett reviews have inadvertently become the final word on the prequel trilogy, making a plinkett review on TFA especially after the shitstorm it caused seems to be the natural thing to do.

CONTINUITY

I don't think anyone else cares RLM said on opening day TFA didn't waste their time on their drunk get-together show. For fuck's sake, they still riffed and found parts off. Jay still did the whole "I'll watch and forget about in a week" joke.

I don't remember when it got stuck there.

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Did'nt he write the Star Wars Plinkett reviews?

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why is it shallow?

What indicated communism too you?

Then what makes it so bad?

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examples please.

I saw the prequels before the originals.

Yeah all of the shot-reverse-shot and obvious greenscreen-CGI visuals sure where "unconventional" and "breathtaking".
The shitty cinematography sure helped this!

That was just one change and it's a stupid complaint since nothing was going on in the scene at the time anyway. Replacing the old crappy looking emperor with the real deal in ESB and making cloud city look less cheap were examples of good changes. The CGI creatures added to ANH were there to make the film match the look of the prequels.

The best alteration was changing the actor of redeemed Vader's force ghost and the new ending montage in RotJ which made for a great ending to the saga.

Wow, it's almost like you can't to anything but to repeat the stupid RLM talking points. The documentary style was very purposeful. TPM also had more sets and miniatures than all the original films combined. Kike Cucklasa knows nothing about film, much less about kino made by masters like Lucas.

Don't forget they coast on OT nostalgia almost as much as Kennedy's Star Wars

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babby's first troll?

Which literature?

Hardly, pretty much everything was new and they never stopped going in new directions.

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Just because you can put parallels into a work doesn't mean that the intention was to establish those parallels. More importantly, even if Lucas meant to parallel something from classical literature, does that automatically make it better? Why do people get off on subtext rather than actual substance?

Wow, it's almost like you can't dispute those talking points because they're actual issues with the films. You should get used to hearing them by now because the Plinkett reviews made the actual issues with the prequels common knowledge.

All that preproduction wasted over a soulless glossy shitfest where the CG stole the show. Face it, the CG was there where the camera was in focus. Anything else that was a physical prop was cast to the wayside.

They also blocked the view of the actors.

reported

There were still plenty of "equivalents" (instead of a princess there is a queen, etc.)

What the hell is "documentary style"?

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How retarded are you?

Are they flying with fucking lightsabers?

That's really besides the point, isn't it?

That's where you are completely wrong, the Plinkett reviews are the usual misinformed and ignorant drivel you can expect from internet "critics". Get back to me when you have some criticism with substance and not the inane complaints of a complete pleb.
You would do well to remember what made the original films so popular, the effects were a huge part of that. George was always about pushing the envelope and seeing how far he could take his stories on the big screen. As for "soulless" that's not a proper criticism of the films.

Well at least you didn't go as far as writing dozens of pages in an essay refutation like some autist did.

It looks good only in thumbnails, I'll give you that much slack.

They have several good points, namely that the characters are defined by their clothing and jobs and not their personalities.

A lot of the other stuff is nitpicking, which is fine, but if they applied the same standard to TFA it would easily be worse than any of the prequels.

There's plenty of poetry but even though it's echoing the OT it's at the same time completely different. I think the prequels are immensely important to Star Wars not only because of the story they tell but also for this reason, they defined what Star Wars has become. To get some perspective on what it was before the prequels just watch the Ewok movies, it was not much different from the old Battlestar Galactica or any other goofy science fiction series. The prequels immortalised George's work and made Star Wars timeless by redefining and elevating what it was.

It's not exactly documentary style but the camera work in Star Wars use a similar language and style that documentaries use, well it did until JJ got a hold of the property. Some would argue that it was boring and not edgy/artsy enough or whatever but I think it gave the films a commercial kino status due to them trying to be true to life.

If it was filmed in a documentary style, as you say, it would have looked like The Office.

I think the CGI has aged incredibly well, especially in TPM which was released in 1999. It was so good you had trouble telling it apart from the practical stuff and miniatures, which made people fall for the whole "It's all CGI" meme.
Well, I could break down why they are wrong but that would be tiresome. However, consider this: Mike made Space Cop. Do I really need to say more?

Just because it's easier to criticize something than it is to make something doesn't make the criticism wrong, that's intellectually dishonest

Most of the criticism was wrong, purposefully misrepresenting the film, or outright ignoring parts that explained away issues

A lot of the other criticism is about stupid shit like "why didn't they just keep the doors closed and gas them more" which is the type of criticism that can be leveled at nearly every movie in existence. The OT had plenty of plot stupidity as well.

I never said the criticism was right, just that rlm making a shitty movie isn't what discredits their criticism

The point is not that the CG aged well or not, it's that it's incredibly distracting because it sticks out. The best CG from that era is defined by its glossy appearance to make up for the low texturing and low amount of polygons. Even in relatively modern video games this is still a problem. For instance, games made from Unreal Engine 3, despite what it's good for, are famously glossy. Surfaces under that engine always produce a shiny seemingly wet appearance unless the designers go out of their way to mitigate that.

At least Mike and co. were self-aware enough to call it utter shit before they were even done with post-production. I think it goes without saying that Lucas' irrational need to "update" movies demonstrates his lack of self-awareness. It's no wonder that people pick up on the disconnect between normal human behavior and the mannerisms and shallow acting from the best actors they could get for the prequels. The guy is so removed from human behavior that it comes across in his latest films. Another example of this is when Peter Jackson made the hobbit trilogy, how despite all the problems he faced he still went ahead with it and then a year after the final movie he literally said, "I didn't know what the hell I was doing." Making terrible films is possible from the gamut of all kinds of directors. The difference lies in which ones have the means to make expensive overrated shitfests without the lens of a human soul and not realize it's trash - and then get away with it. That's a "quality" that Lucas exceeds in.

It's funny you mention that example because pointing out lapses in logic is extremely easy in just about any movie. The reason why most if not all movies get away with that is because the movie carries your attention past problems like that and you only realize it when you're not engaged in the film. Some movies excel at this better than others and upon realizing problems like they are easily forgiven. But with movies like the prequels, the prequels are so terrible at just about everything that flaws stack up and shatter the suspension of disbelief. The point in Mike focusing on that early scene is that the problems with TPM starts so early that it's comical. It's the first of many cases in the prequel films where the problem contradicts the established rules of the fictional universe. What makes the prequels so especially vulnerable to this is that it violates its own rules so many times that viewers have no choice but to not take it seriously and pick it apart. It's why the prequels are famously terrible, plinkett reviews or not.

Your so-called "point" was: "The best alteration was changing the actor of redeemed Vader's force ghost"
My implied assertion was that: "redeemed Vader's force ghost" was played by a actor who was portrayed as a "winy shit" in the prequel trilogy ruining the characterization of Darth Vader as he was portrayed in the original trilogy.

No, there is no point where a viewer would focus on the stupidity in that scene. More of their attention would be taken up by the sudden turn of events rather than the antagonist Trade Federation being a bunch of idiots.

Realization of that would only come with more viewings, and it is precisely over a time of more viewings that the "prequels are shit" grew. There were a lot that didn't like them when they came out, sure, but most of the reasons RLM came up with weren't them. Most criticisms were legitimate fans mad at the plot, characters, or twirly nonsense. The majority never focused on character stupidity (or supposed stupidity) because it is expected. In the original movie they don't shoot the pod with the Death Star plans because they don't detect any life. How stupid is that? That got the Death Star destroyed. What did failing to gas the Jedi do? Let two moderately dangerous enemies run loose. Weighted against letting the plans to your 30 year super weapon project go, that stupid incident in TPM is substantially more intelligent.

Plot stupidity is funny to bitch about, but it has very little relevance to overall quality. Only on rare occasions does plot stupidity ruin a movie. unless you are autistic

So in essence Mike wasn't pointing out real flaws at the start, he was nitpicking. The same shit anyone might do when watching a dumbass horror movie. "Don't go down there!" that's the intellectual level of Mike's opening TPM criticisms aside from pointing out how bland the main characters are in that movie.

Anakin was only a whiny shit in Attack of the Clones. He was an angry retard in Revenge of the Sith, and a precocious little shit in The Phantom Menace.

You seriously believe there wouldn't be at least one person sitting in theatres on opening day with the ability to watch that scene and recognize how terrible that sequence was?

Do you not realize that this doesn't help the movies at all? A bad movie is forever bad even if it's not popularly recognized as bad right away. If it's something that gets worse after repeated viewings, isn't that a clear indicator that the movie was never good to begin with? Hype and novelty is fleeting. Once those wear off it has to stand the test of time. That alone tells you if the movie was ever good.

You really believe that RLM's reasons weren't already on the minds of other people?

I guess RLM doesn't count as "legitimate fans," whatever that is.

It sounds more like you wish to precondition character stupidity as an illegitimate point of criticism. This may come as a surprise to you but if the characters' actions don't make any sense, the audience loses their engagement in the movie. Understanding the motivations and actions of the characters is generally important.

I laughed. You earned pic related. I hope for your own sake you figure out what's wrong with what you just said.

You were really shooting for least intelligent comment of all time, aren't you?

If the movie can't distract you from the failings in the story, then yes it does affect quality.

You may not realize this and probably never will but Mike was showing that within the first ten minutes of the movie, we as the audience are thrust into a scene that does not make any sense in any sort of way. It may come as a shock to you but those weren't nitpicks, that was a list of everything wrong with that sequence. The phrase, "I don't know where to start," comes to mind when you're listing a long series of problems that happens within a brief sequence.

The sequence wasn't terrible. It was a very well done scene. The Trade Federation was just played up as not very intelligent and a low threat. That was done intentionally. The other criticisms are down to taste.

It being bad was memed. It isn't reality. That's the point that has been made in this thread already. Just because you agree with the meme doesn't make it true.

Does it fucking matter? The point is that RLM's reasons are almost all nitpicking and very little of it is actual problems with the movies.

It should be a minor concern. The Trade Federation failing to kill the two lead characters (and yes they are the lead characters of TPM even if RLM doesn't think so) doesn't ruin the movie. Only an autist would give a fuck about something that unimportant, and as I already pointed out you faggots are nothing but hypocrites since that same shit happened in the OT.

Then again there isn't anything you can say since its the exact same shit you are calling "bad" in TPM.

Do you actually have any substance to add? Your post decended into shitpost tier quite fast there, user.

How does it not make sense? Don't bother typing anything if you are just going to regurgitate the Plinkett points, because the only one of those that is valid at the start is the characters being bland. Everything else, in particular the scene we are discussing is nothing major and has very little impact on the quality of the movie.

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Considering how much effort you put into this bait i think you deserve a reply.

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Thesde guys are lazy as shit.
Barely making any content.
I gues they got cozy from all that patreon money.

Mike's liver takes up a lot of their time.

Fucking triggered?

Is that Rich's wife?

Lots of people worse than me have wives. So what?

;_;