Star Trek General

Quark
Dukat
TOS

Bajorans are space muslims retard. Terrorists who openly brag about slaughtering infidel cardassians and bombing civilian targerts. Their holy figures basically wear hijabs.

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They seem to be mix of every justly oppressed sub-human from gypsies, to muslims, to kikes.

Kai Wynn
Kathryn Janeway
TOS

She seems like a nice grandma who would bake you cookies aside from the whole violent religious terrorist part.

Self serving bitch who at one point realized that she's lose her job and prestege if Jake and Kira died in a spiritual battle that would have ushered in 10000 years of peace decided to instead just kill the aliens she's supposed to revere as gods…

Did you even read the second half of my post or did you just get triggered when I called her Grandmotherly?
Oh, never mind, you're actually Kira. This is why wrinklenoses should have been genocided for real.

Over a 60 year period for a space faring civilization that lives on multiple worlds that is a hilariously small death toll.

Don't forget..
CARDASSIA BTFO
All you spoonheads get to eat are taspar eggs.

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Season one has Duet though and that's a really good episode.

So did anyone do the maths on the "Occupation" of Bajor?

why are star trek writers so stupid?

Cause they don't understand their audience or characters. They literally got butthurt when people were associating with Dukat over the Bajorans so they turned him into an ebil villain, only just missing the black hat and twirly moustache.

Why does he have a vagina on his forehead?

Cause all Cardassians are meant to be cunts :^)

Post starships.

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All the special effects shots in the bluray were redone, they should have gone further than just recreating the shots in a lot of scenes.

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They didn't make enough money on the TNG remaster to justify it.

Blame piratefags.

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fuck off shill

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So what episodes of DS9 are worth a watch so I don't have to sit through crap? I am rewatching after like 10 years and all I can remember Dax and Nog episodes being shit.

FUCK OFF SHILL

Yeah fuck no.

Dax was a mess of character played by a good looking actress that couldn't act.

Nog was a well acted and well executed character, impressive given how usually terrible kid characters turn out.

Annoying little space jew who did nothing but leech off his nig friend ironic the roles were reversed and make annoying ass screeching noises. Even after he went to the acadamy he was still an annoying cheese Jew who acted like a pompous prick.

Nog will always be a shit character played by an annoying midget who will forever be infinitely inferior to Quark.

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Fucking cardies.

Seven seasons of blu-ray for less than $100 is a great price.

No I just got better things to spend my money on. Like wine

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shut it obrien you killed ee'char you green nigger

What would Orson Welles be like on Star Trek?

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ABORT ABORT!

This thread is not Holla Forums. Discuss the Star Trek cartoon or get out.

Enjoy your all-access bill moralfag.

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The TPP will put an end to your kind thief

nothing is stolen when I make a copy of a file

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Sure thing. The wild west of piracy is coming to an end, thief. Now you will have to entertain yourself instead of stealing from your betters. As it should be.

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MUAAAAAH THE ENDLESS!

why do people hate her so much?

She has the personality of a paper cup.

Why is God punishing me Holla Forums?

Not all Dax episodes are terrible. Post season three a lot of Dax episodes are also Worf episodes.

All of it is pre season 3 crap

What a terrible curse.

Kill me please. Put me out of my misery.

Which are also terrible.

Worf was just a ratings stunt and he detracted from the main cast.

Sisko was okay but Kira and Dax were shit awful characters that existed as fap bait. Worf and O'Brien were the only truly good Starfleet characters.

Dax maybe but not Kira, that was an actual attempt at a complex character. Originally they wanted Ensign Ro in the role but the actress didn't want to commit to a long running TV series. You need the Kira character for her connection to Bajor.

She tended to go to psychobabble often.

People wanting to watch Kirk-style ass kicking were irritated when she would be talking about feelings.

All the episodes where some creature raped her mind were generally okay.

Kira was an annoying shrill bitch who did nothing but get mad at people and do her
The only thing she added to the show was she was another wrinkle nose terrorist. Ensign Ro at least would have been a character.

You simply can't look at this picture and tell me she didn't exist purely as fapbait.

She needed to be a bitch to get the drama going, the entire Bajor thing would have been a bust if the Bajorans didn't act like cunts at the start.

It's the mirror universe, in that she was a sadistic nympho.

Wew lad. Kira was fucking boring. Her episodes tend to be almost as bad as Dax episodes.

She exists only for tits and exposition.

The Klingon episodes were good. Especially the Martok ones. DS9 handled the Klingons the best. Both as an enemy and as an ally.

That one episode where someone was systematically killing off her former resistance cell members was breddy good.

Sad they failed to Remove Kira.

Archer was the second best Captain. Picard is back in the cuck shed. Never saw DS9 because I watched Babylon 5 instead and Voyager was too unbelievable. A woman Captain? The autistic robot is more realistic and robots don't even exist.

how did they shoot this?

was the dog standing on a dummy or something?

Get out, pleb.

I don't worship black guys, so the appeal of DS9 is rather limited for me.

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She was originally chosen to play Tasha Yar. This was (presumably) because she was mildy ethnic-looking and petite without being delicate, which fit the model for Vasquez or whoever that bitch was from Aliens… which was Gene Roddenberry's inspiration for Tasha Yar.

It's as if they *had* to cast Denise Crosby (because of her family connections) and she didn't want to be the fucking counselor or chief engineer so they did the swap. Either way, Merina Sertis was basically miscast as Troi.

is it wrong that I can only fap to her when she's dying of cancer on Battlestar Galactica?

They should have had her be the ship's whore instead of mind rape victim. Pleasure therapist would have made her character much more interesting. For example, there could be an entire episode where Riker realizes he is a bitch ass cuck for liking a whore. Another episode where he would have realized he is a bitch ass cuck for fighting Worf over a whore. Lastly, in a TNG movie where he realizes that he is a bitch ass cuck for marrying a whore.

I think he realizes that

What have I done to deserve this?

you watch TV

Pretty gud episode tonight. Anyone else gutted they never revealed that Kira really was a Cardassian all along, especially when she gave birth to the O'Brien's baby?

i just realized, my life wont be complete without seeing her try 'n keep an egg warm

i wonder what a spoonhead pussy looks like

It was originally planned to have the ending leave it ambiguous as to whether or not she was a cardie.

What about the episode where that Cardassian science woman was all tsundere for O'Brien.

i like her better in deathwish

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Prepare for ramming speed!

As someone who is watching all of TNG on the urging of my roommate

Am I supposed to hate Dr. Crusher as much as I do? I get the hatred for Lwaxana and Wesley (especially fucking Lwaxana) but Beverly just comes off as the worst of the entire "moral superiority" members of the ship.

She insists that only her way is the correct way, often blatantly going against the prime directive or people's outright wishes (the episode where she is against giving Worf a chance to actually be mobile again comes to mind) and basically every time she opens her mouth to spout more than just medical techno-babble I find myself hating her more and more.

You jest, but Riker is easily the character most mishandled by the writers (both canonical and fan-fic). I blame the tv format and those goddamn films, ultimately, for why he ended up a lame character.

People go on about how Worf was poorly written but let's face it… he wasn't a real Klingon. He was raised by a sweet Russian couple on Earth. Riker however… the dude was so obviously suffering from depression after the first Season. Fat. Bearded. Stalled career. Minuette fucked with this head or somethig.

But a "Riker's Depression" mini-arc would have been great had they transitioned TNG to a serialized cable series relaunch (just in time to ride the wave of this 'golden age of television') instead of those illbegotten TNG feature films…

What season are you on? "Remember Me" was a great Beverly episode. In my head canon, i've excised nearly all of the Brannon Braga / "twilight zone in space" / "temporal anomaly" weird episodes, but "Remember Me" is one of a handful I'd keep.

Riker is sort of a weird one. There's times when he is poorly written but times his character's motives make sense. Best of Both Worlds fleshes him out a fair bit and explains his motives. He debates why is he still on the Enterprise when he has been offered his own command several times, knowing if he keeps this up he may never get a command. In the end of the two parter and later episodes you know why. He wants to be on the bridge of the Enterprise and it's a very prestigious position to the point being promoted to Captain of a "lesser" vessel would be actually a demotion in some ways. In the end he actually wants the Enterprise itself and has proved many times that he has what it takes to command the flagship of the Federation's Starfleet, meaning that if he bides his time he will get the ship or the pick of any ship in the fleet for that matter.

KEK

Worf was the real pussyhound of 90's Trek. Riker just enjoyed fucking the grey tumblr aliens.

No, you're supposed to like her actually. People are usually surprised when I tell them I hate Dr. Crusher. You aren't alone user. She's a shrill bitch who always believes she's in the right.

Holy shit, kill yourself. Any episode that stars almost exclusively Crusher is a pile of dog shit. Remember me was like all her episodes a pretentious mess.

Well I just finished S5E23 "I, Borg" in which Crusher is the sole reason why the Borg aren't dealt with for good, her claiming once again some sort of moral high ground when defending a fucking race set on the entire destruction of humanity.

Did you miss me, mon capitain?

Considering later Star Trek shows, the fact there's a Borg Queen aware of everything every drone is doing and being capable and willing to blow up a cube or two to prevent an infection, the Borg would have continued to thrive anyway.

Why are the Admirals always causing trouble/being dicks in Starfleet?

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Because they can no longer advance their careers. They have reached the highest levels of bureaucracy and are tapped out.

Patrick Stewart is a gay ass nigger. Archer is now my second favorite captain after I learned what a liberal faggot Stewart is in real life.

Riker likes Jazz aka nigger music.

Worf is a Klingon LARPER.

Except he isn't a hypocritical liberal. He's actually one of the few based types when it comes down to decisions, telling SJW's and PC crowd to STFU and show some damned respect. He may disagree with your point of view but he'll fight tooth and nail for your right to disagree with him.

Plus how many inches?

The borg may as well have been just that one cube that got blown up, there wasn't much more they could do with them.

Do people actually like Galaxy class? Looks like shit really.

The never-ending bottomless pit where Humanity's intellectual capacity goes to die.

So half her episodes were alright then.

Yeah she's a bit of a dipshit. Remember that one episode where she bitches out some doctor who developed a successful medicate technique because it wasn't done in a morally pure way. Hell if I recall the doc didn't really even do anything that bad but she still got ass blasted.

I will say that she has some alright moments though, usually when she gets violent and starts shooting people. She should have been a security officer.

Well he's friends with Sting, what the fuck did you expect?

Trick question Cardie; it looks like 14 inches but it's really 4 due to holographs and drugs. Get fucked.

Best answer I have ever seen to the question.

It's beautiful from the right angles.

Much better than the heavily armored squashed up ships from later in the series.

Excelsior is better.

Excelsior was designed to look Japanese as a contrast to the American looking Constitution class.

Did T'Pol marry a Jew in real life?

Because Gene must have been triggered by POGs with equivalent ranks in his Army Air Corps days because once he died Star Trek stopped putting people like that in (Admiral Ross from DS9 and Forrest in ENT) until Jew Jew brought it back in the (((Kelvin Timeline))) movies

Does that include the angles where it gets blown up? Because I agree wholeheartedly

That's not a Jupiter class ;^)

Fuck the MMO though, it's trash

Good points so I suppose the issue is a bit of a wash. It just feels a bit disingenuous to have the crew written such that characters like Guinan or Picard suddenly feel pity for the Collective because one drone expresses a measure of individuality, with Guinan even having a scene talking about how terribly her people have suffered at the hands of the Borg and in the very next scene she's suddenly becoming sympathetic to them. I'm reminded of Steamboat Willie in Saving Private Ryan but at least then he was shot when the main characters found him back on the battlefield. I imagine that if the TNG folks found "Hugh" shooting at them they would try and rescue him and feel pity for him instead of just frying his ass. Maybe that's the point though, something about them maintaining their ideals in the face of great evils etc. etc.

I feel the biggest problem with Crusher is just she's written a bit…I don't know, haphazardly? I recall not being annoyed by her in the previous seasons but whatever is is about S5 I have just been enraged every time I see her face. Maybe Gates McFadden just can't portray the character as well as it needs to be or something. She does have a few moments of decency but it feels like something about her makes it all the more frustrating when she is on the side of "good" I disagree with. Then again, maybe that's just the 80's coming back to haunt me as I watch the show.

It was funny watching S5E17 "The Outcast" where the whole plot of the j'naii is so obviously an allegory for gayness that they might as well have just done away with the sci-fi setting and just preached for an hour.

That sums up my feeling watching all 7 seasons of TNG.

Thats one ugly ass ship you got there nigger.

It's supposed to be carrier ferrying escorts 1/3 the size of a Defiant but I'll concede that a majority of the MMO's "new" ships that look good are just reskins of existing ships

Wizard here, user. You had to be there.

The Galaxy class was kinda the Ford Taurus of starships. When they created TNG, they were intentionally trying to evoke the future at a time when "futuristic" was already a thing (all the jagged, angly, neon new wave aesthetic that is currently occupying the 'retro-futurism' space now). They could also do things with computers they couldn't do before.

Ultimately, though, that design looked really good on the small, square tube televisions that were still very much the norm in most homes in the late 80's. Fun fact: they destroyed the Enterprise-D in the films - literally wrecking my childhood - for no other reason than that curvy, wide design doesn't translate well to big cinema screens and widescreen televisions. The Enterprise-E looks the way it does for absolutely no in-universe reason. They just thought it would look good on a movie poster.

When I learned that fact is when i stopped being a Trek fan and just started making up my own shit in my head. That's when I realized that the people who actually make this shit give infinitely less fucks than any of us. I don't mean the suits, either. I mean the actual people involved in the production.

Despite Trek being in the hands of (((CBS))) and (((Paramount))), pretty much the entire franchise was a product of heartland, protestant white guys with military experience. That is, until the mid-90's when (((change))) happened to correct Star Trek's record of not reflecting (((diversity))).

The Borg were a force of nature. An intentionally simple trope villain (space zombies) to serve the story, but only effective when the stakes have to be cranked to 11.

Interestingly, they had their origin at the end of Season 1. Ever wonder why those malicious parasite bugs from "Conspiracy" that seek "peaceful co-existence" were never resolved on TNG? It's because they were the original Borg. The natural setup was to have the entire series bookended with this "upstoppable, unbeatable threat" that appears once early in the series scaring the shit out of everybody and then (presumably) again at the very end the the ultimate "oh shit" moment.

Well, they fucked it up and realized they couldn't use that species again for cost reasons (CGI) and they had better ideas anyway so they made the Borg with the intention of re-booting the Big Bad trope. But, they ended up blowing most of the narrative load on The Best of Both Worlds during the middle of the series since the original idea was already lost on "Conspiracy" and Q's introduction of the Borg didn't have the desired effect and felt more like hitting the reset button.

Naturally, The Best of Both Words was a massively popular story (because it was meant to be an end-of-series barn burner), so the suits demanded more Borg. Unfortunately, the writers didn't understand what they'ld done and attempted to use the Borg again.. and again.. as the Big Bad when the impact had already been lost.

There's no point in arguing over the Borg. Someday, Star Trek will be converted to a CGI VR experience and we'll literally be able to re-edit the entire series to reflect the superior ideas we have in our heads for how it was supposed to have been handled.

TL;DR: Best of Both Worlds was supposed to happen at the end of the series as a bookend to the original threat that was supposed to be introduced during Season 1. They fucked it up so we ended up with a lot of later-season Borg nonsense and the entire series going out with a queef instead of a bang.

As written and established from the start, her loneliness and grief are the only things that might make her interesting as a person, but even then, not particularly relatable to most Trekkies. Everything else about her - as respectable and 'valid' as it may be - is boring as fuck. But I guess try telling that to the actress who plays her and wants more lines.

Ultimately, it's the fault of the format in my opinion. As great as TNG was at times, the made-for-syndication self-contained episodic format held the characters back and Beverly Crusher *desperately* needed a shit ton of bad things happening to her (that she - and we through her - would have to live with) in order for her to develop. It should have been her being tortured by the Cardassians ("there are four lights") and then we get to see her move on from having been raped by nazi space turtles which (in the opinion of this user) would make her possibly interesting.

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kira didnt interest me at all my first time thru the series but now i cant get enough of her little hissyfits & impotent rage. i think deep down she fishing for a grudgefuck from dukat, shame they didnt drug her a bit that time they made her look cardie.

that, plus a few false memories, & she'd have given in.

when they finally let her hair get longer & put her in that one-piece outfit, i was hooked.

There's one S2 episode where Grannydoc and Riker get cloned. It's really a fucking weird episode since it was supposed to be pro-abortion with cloning = abortion but that really doesn't really compute when you watch it. Actually you get distracted by the B-plot where the Enterprise finds a bunch of fucking leprechauns using 18th Century equipment.

Here are good reasons. The Galaxy's thin neck between the saucer and engineering sections is an obvious weak point. It's where the Jemhadar rammed the Odyssey. Imagine all the stress that goes through that small neck.

The Sovereign class gets rid of the neck. The saucer and engineering sections are directly connected. Much more solid. And beautiful, like the Excelsior class.

Name a design sexier than the the NX-Class
Protip: You can't.

Then why isn't the deflector dish censored?

Nah, Refit Connie is always apex tier.

Classic is better my friend. It screams retrotech.

I think the prosthetics and alien designs looked better in TNG-era Trek, when the budget was limited, than in nu-Trek, produced with unlimited funds. I could half-plausibly imagine Klingons or Cardassians as distinct, humanoid species; but these new aliens always look (comparatively) fake.

In case anyone actually cares, the MMO reveals in the shitty revisit to Voyager arc that Hugh did "infect" the collective and a bunch of Borg split off and formed something called the Cooperative. None of it makes sense and it's quickly forgotten about

The Akira? It's basically what the NX-01 is based on and has a separate torpedo launcher pod that doesn't cause the ship and its redshirts to be bathed in fire when it gets hit

Makes you wonder why they dropped it but kept stuff like the Excelsior and the Miranda. It can't possibly fare any worse than those two when dealing with the Borg or the Dominion

Didn't TNG or something imply that most if not all the humans and humanoids were the product of some precursor race called the Preservers to justify every alien being dudes in rubber masks?

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That was a dumb fucking episode since it invalidates a fuck load of TOS and TAS species. How do you explain Tholians or Horta if every sentient being in the universe was supposedly put there by aliens that wanted other humanoids.Not to mention once the technology got better Enterprise tried some more ambitious shitty looking CGI with the Xindi.

Why does Archer's Enterprise look bigger than TOS Enterprise? The NX-01 had a crew of about 87 and Kirk's TOS Enterprise had a crew of 350-400 people. Is it not to scale?

Don't question evolution.

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Not all sentient species, just sentient humanoids. Nothing in that storyline invalidated the horta or tholians.

There are many others too, the crystalline entity, the giant space jellyfish bastards in the pilot, the Q, the silicon based life forms that call the crew "bags of mostly water"

That episode explained why so many sentient species shared a humanoid form, it didn't invalidate the ones that fell outside the form.

Are they the historical revisionists of Star Trek?

The Chase's common-descent explanation felt shoehorned. None of the TNG episodes up until that point had referenced the fact that many of the species seemed to look a lot alike, and so I had assumed the rule was that the phenomenon, however obvious, is not observable in-universe.

i have no problem with this at all. i am fervently opposed to clean rooms for assembling spacecraft. let us seed the solar system and the galaxy eventually, there's nothing fucking there yet

The only thing that could contradict other non-humanoid aliens would be the Xindi since they had humanoids and 2 other hardly related CGI monsters among their ranks so they're probably an outlier or the other 2 just showed up later.

It's probably perspective. The NX doesn't even have a large secondary hull like the NCC-1701 and the crew probably had bigger rooms in the NX since the crew quarters in TOS episodes looked a lot smaller plus enlisted crew might resort to bunking in the Constitution-class.

You forgot the flying bird people that the Xindi niggers Reptilians chimped out at and bombed out of existence.

But they make a point in the last episode of ENT saying how small old Starfleet ships were. I hope it is just a perspective issue and the NX-01 is smaller than Kirk's ship.

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It's one of my favorite episodes from TNG. I wish there were more episodes like that.

I don't like that ship and the whole idea of the crew having their families aboard.
I like the submarine look of the NX-01 (either the one on the show or the refit version by Drexler).

pic not related, I never had a chance to share that oc

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They over do it, people are not statues, with flaws. Also, it is okay to make them all look human like, DS9 explained this with aliens that colonized most of the planets we see, our as I recall that is what happened..

Are you talking about this ship? What the NX-01 might have looked like in season 5? ENT also had the best engine room too.

Now I'm actually glad they got cancelled. That looks like a horrific mess where someone just Frankensteined the NX onto the Constitution.

That episode was so dumb. Riker answers on behalf of everyone on the Enterprise that nobody would allow themselves to be cloned, not one person on the entire ship.

Then, going against against every moral discussion the show has ever had, they kill the clones before they wake up without even giving it a moment's thought.

Skip forward a few years and Odo tells us very bluntly "Killing your own clone is still murder."

implying the NX wasn't already?

But user, it was literally rape! Who cares if they killed what was literally a fully developed adult at that point!

TNG was the blue pill, DS9 the red pill.

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Yep.

Morn

jew or jew idolizer i can't decide which

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Is it time?

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Well, at least I got that disappointment out of the way.

I fucking love these and I'm glad the dude is making them again.

Kira may be a bitch, but Ro is simply unbearable

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Now watching through S6EP1 "Time's Arrow" and I have to say, this is the first episode in a while that it has just felt like pulling teeth to get through the "sub plot" of Mark Twain trying to expose the crew as evil time travelers. I could be interested in a "what if" scenario where the crew goes back into the past but this whole….shit show is just so fucking boring.

I always wonder about the whole family thing. Considering the amount of time that the ship goes to red alert, let alone is on the brink of destruction, it must be hell trying to be a civilian. Correct me if I'm wrong but they basically do a 1 year:1 season ratio which means a rather alarmingly high amount of time aboard the ship is spent in a state of life threatening danger

I have a question slightly off topic: I wanted to watch VOY on the US version of Netflix but the website is blocking most VPNs, do any of you know a good VPN that might work for Netflix?

I have no idea. I don't understand why Starfleet and/or the Federation would allow their families to go with the crew on a long and dangerous mission accros the galaxy.
It's a shame that we never really saw them. I know that there's no capitalism or money in Roddenberry's commie vision of Trek but these wives, husbands, must have a job that is not provided by Starfleet, could they really leave Earth? Would they accept to bring their children along, knowing that they might never come back?

Say what you like about Kira, but she brought some great Cardassian episodes to the fold. Hell any episode that challenged her perceptions of the Cardassians was great.

Just torrent it lol

And yet he was still too fun to hate. Prrraise Alaimo.

Is it just me, or was she even hotter as a Cardie?

I'm reminded of a similar explanation found in Doctor Who with the Time Lords. Somehow, that makes more sense.

It just proves that the writers can't into our suspension of disbelief. Trek fans are perfectly ok with the entire universe being populated with copious humanoid aliens. That fact, along with things like the Universal Translator, are easily acceptable for the purposes of the show. Asking your audience to suspend their disbelief is perfectly ok provided you don't over-do it and *once you establish the ground rules, you stick with it*.

They fuck it up when they attempt to rationalize the things they previously asked us to just go with, though. Then our suspension of disbelief is broken and we're taken out of the story (similar to how all of George Lucas' Mitichlorian nonsense in the Star Wars prequels attempted to solve a problem that didn't exist. Nobody had any problem with accepting that in the Star Wars universe, The Force is a thing).

We could accelerate ourselves to theoretically impossible autism levels by picking apart a soft sci-fi series like Star Trek.

my sides when reminded how Michael Dorn wrote a shit ton of Star Trek fan fic in a desperate attempt to make Worf - i mean, work - for himself which actually included a Worf+Grannydoc romance arc.

For reals tho, 20+ episodes per season was too much when nearly every episode is supposed to be a self-contained fresh story. So much filler in these series. There's a lot of CURRENT YEAR moralizing that doesn't hold-up.

You're on the Brannon Braga train now, user. Have you made your stop at Vortiform City yet? That is one dooooozy of an episode.

The "what if…" episodes are pretty much all he does. They can work, but like the Borg, only in extreme moderation. During the later TNG seasons, nothing was moderating him, sadly. That dude was getting banged by Jeri Ryan so hard he thought he was writing Twilight Zone episodes.

Not just you. Cardie-Kira is top-tier waifu.

Nope you're just admitting you are a man of excellent taste.

Reminder Sisko's wife would never have died if Civilians weren't aboard Federation ships going off to battle. Feds are borderline retarded.

You only just figuring that out now user?

Would a Vulcan comedian, who studies comedy like robots study music (they've actually gotten fairly good at it), be an interesting character?

Wouldn't that be like a German comedian?

I did on Holla Forums a couple weeks ago.
According to Memory Alpha, the Occupation of Bajor lasted fifty years, and killed 15 million Bajorans. Bajor is listed as having a population of 3.8 billion; we can probably assume that any Bajoran colonies on other worlds are negligible compared to that.
15 million in 50 years is 300,000 per year, and with a population of 3.8 billion we get 7.89 killed per 100,000 per year.

Comparisons (using Canadian numbers since it's where I am)
Workplace death rate: 7.2 per 100,000 workers per year
Alzheimer's mortality: 10.7 per 100,000 population per year
Suicide rate: 10.4 per 100,00 per year
Influenza/pneumonia mortality: 10.1 per 100,000 per year

A simple respiratory infection in someone with access to first-world medical care is substantially more deadly than the oh-so-devastating Occupation was to Bajor.

There was a TNG episode where Data tries to study jokes in the holodeck as a subplot. He learns how to tell a joke, but he never grasps what it takes to create a joke. I'd imagine that a vulcan approaching jokes with the same strategy would be similarly unsuccessful.

The Vulcans do have emotions, they just bury them. So if they ease up they could probably be pretty funny in an autistic kind of way.

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Question about Voyager. I have only ever watched a few episodes but I wonder if Voyager dealt with this.
The Doctor is a hologram and an AI. He can manipulate the real physical environment and move around thanks to his special armband. Why is Starfleet not pumping out AI holograms to man ships, do mining, construction, and in general create an infinite slave army? All they need are cheap little armbands. It would follow that every Federation citizen can have a holo-slave, right?

I used to hate Starfleet putting children on ships. But then I realized something. Today's SJWs are weak and cowardly. Imagine how pathetic they will be in the future.

Starfleet is the closest thing future humans have to a militaristic culture. Having children raised in a dangerous environment is the only way to keep humanity from degenerating into pure faggotry. That's why I support the Starfleet youth movement. Tell children to kill a cardie for mommy.

That's what they do in the MMO. Whole fleets of slave holosoldiers.

IIRC, they got the armband from the future and it was one-of-a-kind, but they did touch later in the series how the Mark I emergency holographic doctor was a failure for it's bedside manor and then put them to work mining dilithium.

They do this and it's addressed in later season episodes.

There's also the episodes with the holograms that take over a ship or whatever.

well that there.

they weren't intended to be visiting earth every season, the enterprise was originally meant to be in deep space for decades so it makes sense that they would have families in that time.

Maybe they use them as cannon fodder?

Bajorans confirmed for extremist space jews.

You're retarded (You)

Most battle scenes have the lights dim so it looks fine anyway

>_ edition
GET THE FUCK OUT

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Ranking is shit-tier.
People who start threads with "rank your ____" are sub-shit-tier.

You know while visiting my Dad we decided to watch TNG for Nostalgia's sake and as we went through the episodes we realized 80% of them were total shit. It was a struggle to find an episode anyone wanted to watch that didn't focus on the Klingons. Why is it TNG is usually so fondly remembered by normalfags when DS9 is pretty much superior in every way?

Probably because it was Star Trek back on TV in a weekly format instead of the odd movie every couple of years. Plus, America was white(r) back then so people were not so sensitive about SJW garbage and brown people. Watching TNG its like seeing a warning about the future in which whites are minorities under the galactic New World Order.
Also, don't forget that Patrick Stewart is a pretty good actor and single handily made TNG watchable even though he is a pansy liberal faggot.

TNG benefits from nostalgia: you only remember the great episodes while the average filler that makes up most of the series fades into the background. TOS is hurt by it since people remember the camp moments as more extreme and more common than they actually were and the bad episodes are truly terrible as TOS, for all its flaws, does not do filler.

As for why TNG was inferior it was partly the praise for TOS going to Roddenberry's head which is also why the utopian federation line was pushed so much harder.

I'm not sure I'd say single handedly. Spiner and the ever-underrated Burton were also both quality actors.

fuck off

In the mirror universe maybe, but not in the main pozzed universe.

Yeah but a ship like the Enterprise is not a safe place to raise a family.

Well it's either that or have no family.

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Porthos is thinly veiled Darwinian evolution propaganda. Porthos is a Beagle, the best dogs btw, and Darwin was on a ship called The Beagle.

"closest thing," he said.

Felicity Smoak > Worf, son of Mogh

lol butthurt

They need to stop pushing their propaganda on us tbh

True, not a single good SciFi show that tackles the science of creationism.
What are the kikes trying to hide from us?

Go away Shatner. Final Frontier would have been shit even without studio meddling.

Everything about Final Frontier was awful.

The Final Frontier gave us one great line. "Why does God need a starship?"

I guess Kirk never heard of chariots of the gods. Sometimes the divine just likes to travel in style.

What's a plot that Star Trek hasn't done in any of its series or movies?

Hard mode: don't just steal it from some other show.

Pirates, because Gene Roddenberry had a fatwa against space pirates.

That's perverse! Space pirates are one of the best things about space.

genderswap episode

Does The Outrageous Okana and Harry Mudd count as Space Pirates? Or are they Space Rogues or maybe Space Rascals?

He's a pozzed Han Solo rip-off, not much of a pirate.
Just a con-man.

I don't know if it counts as genderswap but Trip got pregnant in an ENT episode.

Enterprise gets boarded by Ferengi in a series of shenanigans to excuse the fact that the hoomans weren't supposed to know about them until the first season of TNG.

The first season of TNG, meanwhile, initially portrayed them as fucking hilarious goblins with laser whips rambling about evil space capitalism.

One of the better ENT episodes.

Which is why Star Trek only makes any sense if watched in order of air date of the episodes.

Plus just generally good to start with the good ones and, if you're desperate, work your way into the spotty shows.

Can you imagine telling someone about Star Trek and making them start with fucking Enterprise? It'd probably sour them on the whole franchise.

Enterprise makes no sense without seeing all the other Trek shows and movies. To fully appreciate the Borg episode of ENT you need to see the TNG episode "Q Who?" and the movie first contact.

That Borg episode was stupid though, honestly.

Yes, it was. Phlox curing himself of Borg nano probes was very stupid.

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Female characters in Star Trek were generally terrible.

Dax was just a poorly handled concept of a character, no actor could have saved it.

They could have done something original and prequelly with the Borg. Really pathetic what they actually did.

What could they have really done? The Borg were played out by the time Enterprise aired. Meshing the ENT Borg into TNG and First Contact at least has some logic to it.

How do the Jew Jew movies fit into the timeline? Are they officially a new timeline that erases anything beyond TOS? If so, how does that work? The ENT Borg episode relies on TNG happening due to time travel. If TNG does not happen then how do the Borg appear in ENT?

proto borg

parallel universe called the "kelvin timeline".

original version of Star Trek Beyond dealt with it but was canned for being too "star trek".

Proto Borg make no sense because they would be in the Delta Quadrant. Very far from Earth.

Don't forget those TNG episodes with Troi's mom.

There was nothing to distinguish her personality as being the composite of 12 other people including salty ol' Curzon. If a DS9 first-timer were watching a midseason ep and didn't know about Trills & Symbionts, they would just think she's just a generic human female character. Like maybe a sorority girl who stayed hot even into her 30s. They might wonder if she's just supposed to be a human in-universe wearing henna body-paint (like as a late 2300s fashion for earth girls). Unless it's specifically mentioned in dialogue, no DS9 first-timer would watch a couple episodes and say, "Hey, how come that one female character acts like an old man? Is that a trait of her alien race, they all act like old men?"

Is there a Star Trek website/community that isn't pozzed yet? I used to like Trekmovie but now it's pointless editorial after pointless editorial, BS topics like "feminist fandom", etc.

JewJew's Trek movies take place after ENT but in another universe.

/1701/ on 420chan is ok but it has its flaws.

TNG filler eps are comfy af tbh

Exploring deep space in a luxurious, well-provisioned ship with enough firepower to wage WW4? Changing from a crew jumpsuit to one of those shiny sets of pyjamas? Crew quarters have view ports to outer space (also some quarters having their own PCs/ tablet computers, which was more of a big deal in the late 80s/ early 90s)? Hang out in Ten Forward? Comfy levels maxed.

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You take that back.

Ro is great, she became a badass lesbian admiral in another life

I want to fuck Dukat's daughter.

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Go back to Deviant Art you degenerate.

i'm at season 4 episode 13 of DS9
i really feel sorry for dukat
even the fictional space hitler isn't gonna get the reward he deserves

I wish we saw a little more of him waging a one-ship guerrilla war on the Klingons.

Just stop at season 6 user. It's better this way.

does it really get that unbearable?

That's right, 1 season = 1 full Earth year for TNG and later shows.

I remember reading something about Enterprise-D specifically basically being kind of the "Titanic" of the Federation, basically "THIS SHIP IS OUR ULTIMATE IDEALS IN ONE BIG ASS PACKAGE" kind of thing. As the TNG/Dominion War era went other ships (including Enterprise-E) are specifically much less retarded when it comes to crew and family assignment (and also utilitarianism; Ent-D's shitty space art deco design attempt vs every other main ship afterwards).

And Ira's too fucking stupid to ever get it. DS9 succeeded based on strong character-based performances, not because of the production itself. Even the overall taste of the actors, for example the efforts with Quark.

Are you shitting me? The actress was pretty nice back in the 60s when she did TOS but by the time TNG was around…

That just makes Worf look like the THIRSTIEST klink in the galaxy. Hell Picard in that last desert episode with Wesley looks better hydrated than anyone under the age of 80 pumping up Grannydoc.

To be fair he was taking lessons from Joe Piscopo and Whoopi Goldberg.

SF actually does enslave all the EMHs at the end of Voyager except the Doc. They deal with it in a story.

TBH the Feds are naturally transitioning to a slavery based society. They had no problems with doing that to Data and his daughter (only got past the first one due to some hot shit lawyering from the Ent-D crew, second one ended less well) so that happening to holograms is a natural progression.

I'd have to agree actually.

What they do to Dukat does but it's still worth watching I suppose.

Gowron :^)

I see no reason why Holograms should be considered people to begin with. The Federation can simply modify their intelligence level so they are not "sentient" and all ethical problems are solved.

I just watched the Voyager series finale and the Doc gets "married". It seems like a human female marrying a hologram is like marrying a talking dildo.

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They did it to Worf's brother and that was acceptable so there's precedent.

They make Dukat into the anti-ChristNo I'm not making that up or exaggerating.

He was a Klingon and Worf's brother so I don't think a lobotomy would be too noticeable.

don't forget sonic showers and holodeck porn

Implying there is an ethical issue with modfying the AI settings on a toaster. Holograms and Data are not people. Having a relationship with a holograms or android is marrying your dildo. Its also like homo "marriage", pure hedonistic degeneracy. Do you think the Doctor ever got his wife pregnant? Not a real marriage!

There aren't enough showcases of jailbait in Star Trek.

Star Trek: The Loli Generation.

Data is a person. He is sentient and a moral being.

Data is a toaster. Once his positronic brain is reversed engineered there will be a millions Data's of varying intelligence to perform crucial tasks that are dangerous for humans.
This will happen because there is no evidence that humans have evolved all that much in Star Trek. All we know is that human problems are temporarily postponed because people have access to cheap energy and plenty of uninhabited planets to go settle on.The temptation to engage in "slavery" will be too great to pass up. Especially if the Federation turns really, really degenerate and sodomy because a galactic pastime. Data clones will be the cheap labor to fill the Starfleet ranks and factories to produce whatever.

I wish Star Trek was more popular with porn artists. Most of it seems to be shitty photoshopped fakes.

He was programmed to be.

Status as a person applies to natural things, not things made to look natural.

The issue completely side stepped by TNG was a person *can* be property; that is what slavery is.

DNA is no less a program. Data is capable of moral choices (he is fallible) and possesses sentience. In the Star Trek universe, with aliens made of rocks and silicon substances, Data isn't even all that weird.

Poetic license aside, no it's not. Programs are entirely artificial, DNA is naturally evolved.

Programmed to make those choices and programmed to sentience. He is a faxsimilie of a person, not a person himself.

And those things are naturally evolved.

But he isn't a person.

You better be attempting to troll someone.

Don't conflate person with humanoids.

Data was constructed to be like a person in every regard. Programmed to give the full appearance of sentience but it is not ultimately it's just an advance machine using advance mimicry.

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How is that relevant?
I can synthesize methyl salicylate in the lab, or I can extract it naturally from wintergreen plants, but it's still the same substance.

Artificial is a faxsimilie of real.

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Humans (and Romulans/Vulcans, Klingons, and Cardassians) in Star Trek were genetically engineered by another species. Programmed to resembled their makers. And they are still persons.

Here's Data making a moral choice, "violating" his ethical programming.

do it data kill that dirty kike

you leave saul rubinek alone!

I miss Warehouse 13.

KHAAAN

I don't see why anyone would make a sentient robot or hologram in the first place for any reason other than just to say they could. It's amazing that no one ever thought of crafting a slave army of robots and holographic security teams or even an entire nation of AI and robot platforms instead of that cyborg zombie bullshit the Borg do.

"Duck I says…"

ZAP!

thats not fair user, every ferengi and most federation are inferior to Quark

The only characters that can beat Quark are Garak and Dukat.

You omitted Morn, but I can forgive the oversight because he doesn't stfu.

Reminder this motherfucker boned Dax multiple times.

What are the best Quark Odo scenes/episodes?

Why isn't there porn of this?

Because boning Dax isn't an accomplishment. Everyone did it at one point.

Why oh why did I search for that?

Oh fuck I searched for more. We are reaching levels of autism I never though possible!

MUAAAAAAH THE KLINGONS!

there's a 24/7 TOS and TNG marathon on bbc america and then endless trek movies

If I wasn't already marathoning TNG on my own, I'd watch it.

I never got to do it. :(

What is the best episode of Star Trek ever anons? :^)

These Are The Voyages…

user why

One Night In Sickbay.

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Masks.

STD pushed back to May 2017

Fuck that episode. Not only was it terrible but I'm pretty sure it started the near terminal ratings decline of a series that had been fairly good up to that point.