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what the actual fuck

Imagine carrying that shit around.

you point the spears outward as to prevent the enemy from engaging you unscathed. having them vertical allows the enemy to engage you without reprisal.

They do turn the spears towards the enemy. The op has a pic from them while they were still forming the formation.

Their shields are still fuckhuge, but the spears were somewhat short.

You do realize there are other shit than European?

You do realize a blow to the legs is still fatal.

They never used them as efficiently or in strongly kept formations like europeans.
Most african shields are smaller.

so a chup chok waniwanga to you

That's why you carry a spear with you. To keep guys away. There is normally another guy behind you, with a spear too, to keep guys from getting all too close.
Top all of that with a semi crouched position and there is little chance for anyone to get your legs without eating a spear first.

Shields that big were simply not used. These are armies that need to march on foot for kilometers with not just weapons but food supplies on em.

Reminded me of this scene for some reason.

Those are ceremonial, you Anti-Eurocentrist cuck.

They used shield walls in medieval times? I thought the Romans used it

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Saxons and Normans used shield walls at least as recently as the 900s/1000s.

Saxons used a phalanx at the Battle of Hastings. It fucking failed because the Normans had what the Starks had, which is fucking cavalry and fucking archers. How the Starks let themselves get encircled when they had fucking horses and fucking archers I'll never understand.

Saxons used a shield wall, not a phalanx. Phalanx includes pikes.

They lost because their king got an arrow through the eye, and that caused confusion among the Saxon ranks. The battle could have gone either way from what sources tell us up until that point.

could have but didn't

stay mad, Harald

A phalanx is any tight formation, with or without pikes. Riot police often form phalanxes

1) The only sources indicating that Harold Godwinson got an arrow in the eye is an account written by William of Malmesbury about fifty years after the fact, and the Bayeux Tapestry. With regards to the tapestry it's ambiguous as to whether the figure depicted trying to pluck the arrow out of his eye is Harold or someone else. There are stitch marks on the actual tapestry on a second figure, where an arrow used to be. It's thought that an over-enthusiastic 19th restorer added the arrow to the second figure, and later restorers removed it.

2) That happened late in the battle. The reason the Saxons broke formation is because they heard William was dead, when really he just fell off his horse. The Normans would continue to play this trick on the Saxons an additional two times and they fell for it both times.

It really couldn't have. William had cavalry, Harold had horses but the Saxons never, for some reason, developed cavalry charges. William had archers, Harold had one archer. William had trained knights whereas most of Harold's soldiers were primarily farmers. William's men were well rested whereas Harold's men had to march quickly to Hastings upon William's arrival after having just fought Harald Hardrada at Stamford Bridge. The battle really couldn't have gone any other way.

See wiggipedia:
The phalanx (Ancient Greek: φάλαγξ, Greek: φάλαγγα, phālanga; plural phalanxes or phalanges; Ancient and Modern Greek: φάλαγγες, phālanges) was a rectangular mass military formation, usually composed entirely of heavy infantry armed with spears, pikes, sarissas, or similar weapons.

The same Wikipedia:

>The term is particularly (and originally) used to describe the use of this formation in Ancient Greek warfare, although the ancient Greek writers used it to also describe any massed infantry formation, regardless of its equipment, as does Arrian in his Array against the Alans when he refers to his legions

>The term itself, as used today, does not refer to a distinctive military unit or division (e.g., the Roman legion or the contemporary Western-type battalion), but to the general formation of an army's troops. Thus a phalanx does not have a standard combat strength or composition but includes the total number of infantry, which is or will be deployed in action in a single phalanx formation.

>The word has come into use in common English to describe "a group of people standing, or moving forward closely together"; c.f. "a phalanx of police".

The Persian Sparabara and some Pavise shields were that big

How about you shut the fuck up you fucking retarded shit! autistic beyond belief.
I was saying there are other shields like that in history, GOT is not our history but it is based on it slightly.

why the fuck would there be South American weaponry in medieval European-style warfare?

top kek
are you retarded? Westeros is almost entirely based on medieval Britain

none of those shields are as tall as a man

What did they mean by this?

The Persians used wicker shields
The pavise was used by crossbowmen and if used by frontline troops it was shitloads smaller

If you want good protection and durability the shield will need to be heavy as fuck and you dont want your soldiers exhausted before they even engage the enemy

You cant just mix and match shit from widely different periods of history just "cuz its fantasy" they had specific reasons for what they had and how they used it

You wont have modern infantry with assault rifles lining up like Napoleonic infantry and classical Roman legionaries wont form a Germanic shieldwall

its called a pavise you twat

Pavises, when not carried by crossbowmen, were not particularly large. Crossbowmen used their pavises not for melee combat, but for mobile cover.

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Hollywood Jackie is so lame.

I hate how little respect spears get in all media.
A sword is akin to a handgun, while a spear is akin to a rifle.
But expecting retard authors and hollywood to know anything about weapons is a pipe dream.

it reminded me more of the shield walls in Red Cliff (film adaptation of a few Romance of Three Kingdoms chapters that takes major artistic license) (i haven't updated the webms since getting here from cuckchan)

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You're talking about the archers that were all cooped up between the phalanx/shield wall/whatever you guys and the corpse hill? The ones that Davos led into the fray because everyone else on their side was already caught up in an indistinguishable mob, meaning the arrows were just as likely to hit Snow's men as Ramsey's?

If you remember that medieval Saving Private Ryan sequence, all those horses got used up when both sides' cavalries slammed each other. As for the archers, as I mentioned above, Snow's archers were the only ones not already fighting in the fray, so they'd potentially be killing just as many of their own as the enemy.

They didn't have much of a chance to strike Ramsey's cavalry because the Bolton archers allowed Jon to ride close to their lines before dismounting him, giving the Snow archers approx. fifteen-thirty seconds (if we ignore the dramatic slo-mo) to realize they could try to fire at a probably out of range cavalry charge at the probable risk of skewering their own commander in the process.

Ramsey's archers could fire because the fray was close to them, their heavy and light infantry were still in reserve, and their cavalry was being sacrificed anyway.

The entire battle plan was hopelessly screwed by Jon riding out on his own for revenge. You saw that in the glances Davos and Captain Wildling exchanged when they knew Jon'd been triggered.

As much as you guys hate any woman on this show period standing up to a man, Sansa was taking appropriate charge when she lectured Jon to steel himself for whatever psy-op (killing Rickon in that game) Ramsey would throw at him, and that his reaction to the psy-op would be more important than any formations or strategy. As a man, Jon was looking at the battle as army vs. army. As a woman, Sansa was looking at the battle as commander vs. commander.

As for why the Knights of CIA weren't mentioned in the tents the night before, with the on screen evidence we have, CIA just decided to head out without informing the Starks. Probably to conveniently show up in time to have most of the Stark army killed, so he could wield maximum influence.

The only real unexplainable goof was that the writers forgot to have the Starks arm the giant with a tree, even if that would've had him show up well behind the rest of the infantry charge due to the weight.

lol

retard

might as well have Jon Snow pull a millenium falcon out of his pocket and fly to King's Landing, right?

Verisimilitude.

This is how retarded D&D are.

Considering Arya is going to kill Walder Frey next episode, yes. That is what showfans are okay with and want to see more of.

Cucks don't know about muh hammer and anvil

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That's hammer and sickle retard

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Go to bed grandpa. You already fucked up enough.

meh, even ramsay is an idiot for not using his archers when they're flanked or surrounded. It's not like he fired a hundred that his archers' missiles went out.

regardless of psy-op, when Jon asked her what idea she had, she did not even say CIA might be coming. Ramsay's archery is also dumb. Why didn't he kill Jon after killing Rickon and create further chaos on enemy camp?

The show is dumb. Stop defending this shit.

Keep it in the /got/ general.

Yes you can.

It does make sense though you utter retard

This technique was invented by the Spartans jackass. Phalanx.

It really makes you think.

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but that's true

Wicker shields can be sturdy as fuck, though. Persian spears in one or two ranks broke through the 4 deep Athenian centre at Marathon. And no, it wasn't intentional, stop confusing that battle with Cannae - no primary source mentions the envelopment being a planned thing.

It's not that bad OP. They showed how the Bolton infantry fought back with their armed 2nd/3rd ranks any time an unarmed dude with shield was broken past. Tormund got cut right through the plot armour on his arm to recieve a little graze even.

In that way it's keeping with the reality of men in shieldwalls or phalanx/pike blocks getting their sidearms out to fight up close when they needed. Boltons deserved the victory even after autismal cavalry sacrifice.