Will there ever be another star trek Holla Forums?

No I think we've finally killed it dead.

I agree, but ST unwittingly showed the failings of the ideology because they kept having to depict conflict between all those different species, proving they cannot "move beyond" their genetic specie-ism.

ST had to start developing more one-dimensionally sinister races, such as the Cardassians, to address this.

Otherwise, you're watching the space version of the liberal UN flying around space and fucking everything up.

ST did have money though: gold-pressed latinum. Rare elements like dilithum crystals were also valueable, and any sort of technological advantage you could get your hands on, like cloaking devices and artificial singularities.

sexy vacations to risa arent free either

i imagine the federation pays for all that shit and star fleet people dont have to carry money, just swipe a universal ebt card or something

Anyone remember just after the reboot got commercial success in the wake of Enterprise bombing, and the Star Wars prequels finished up, with Lucas bragging about an upcoming live-action TV series? It seemed like the medium tables were going to flip into the twilight zone, with Star Trek becoming a primarily theatrical franchise, and Star Wars becoming a primarily TV one.

Yeah, the only good Star Trek series other than TNG & TOS. The time travel took a lot out of it, but by far the show's biggest problem (and much of the cause for the time travel working so badly) was being so continuity-heavy without a properly prewritten plan, so the story careens around every season as the writers bury tons of stuff, never to be mentioned again.

DS9 was so retarded. Just… Everything about the way it tried to insert conquest, insurgency, government corruption, capitalism, religion, and a premise based primarily around a stationary location rather than a spaceship venturing through the infinite bounds of the cosmos, in a setting where none of that could make sense anymore. At least Voyager had the good grace to mostly confine its faggotry to some other part of the galaxy where it didn't hurt canon so much.

Enterprise was good.

Nigga the best of Star Trek was the governments pitted against each other.

this tbh

fuck Star Trek

But that's wrong, you fucking retard.

Please explain how you think capitalism can continue to exist in a highly advanced post-scarcity civilization. Do you really think capitalism is the greatest economic system we will ever have?

Nothing to do with trannies you dumbfuck, the whole point of the skirts was to demonstrate how the people in a spacefaring future had evolved past caring about some of the petty insecurities of gender dress expectations. Skirts are comfy, why wouldn't you wear one?

Yes

It's the only one that works

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It's the most efficient economic system around. The problem is, there's more to life than efficient economic systems.

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Pic of was posted too soon.

sure, but that doesn't mean we should use a less efficient system

top zuz

I'm pretty sure even capitalism will fall.

It's inevitable.

Even as capitalism is slowly rendered irrelevant by the downward slope of prices for more and more commodities below the price of bothering to charge for them, there will always be some contrarian nigger insisting that we have competing water, sewer, electrical, telecom, and transit systems with parallel sets of pipes, wires, roads, and rails running everywhere, because muh invisible hand.

Yeah, that's not going to happen. Especially not with our natural, non-renewable resources, slowly being depleted.

pure capitalism will always require periodic instability. because with a pure capitalist system, the result is inevitably a monopoly by conquest, which in turn is the antithesis of capitalism, which them causes social unrest and the cycle repeats itself after a few heads get lopped off.

the best system is one on which the race to natural monopoly is lengthened as long as possible. generations or millenia, preferably.

Our unwillingness to transition to sustainable resources is entirely one of inertia, not practicality.

What's wrong with natural monopoly?

it's always going to be anti-competitive, and therefore subject to easy manipulation by flawed people who dont realize that they can only squeeze so much blood from a turnip before the proletariat cuts off your hand along with its own head

obviously the periods of instability between the horse races must also be minimized

I dunno fam, feudalism and slavery worked pretty well for a while too.

for the lords, yes

for the peasants/serfs, not so much

It's not like they have a fucking say, nigger. That's the point.

those are capitalist systems too. in the history of man there has never been a society which didn't have capitalism at its core, except for native populations which were utterly destroyed by encroaching civilizations

Protip: money lenders and merchants =/= capitalism

i know that you retard. capitalism is quite simply defined as the quest for capital by individuals

AT 100 YARDS! RAPID SHITPOST!

precisely; even the native inuit populations in the new world, who were so anti-capitalistic that a "greedy" mans family and home could be invaded and destroyed by the tribe in the name of the greater good, fell to the encroachment of capitalistic societies.

but the Cardassians were the good guys.

lolno. The thing that distinguishes capitalism from the previous economic systems is the rise of the industrial capitalist. It's when someone takes some shit (usually money) and buys tools, resources, places to produce, and wages to pay for labor, and then transforms those things with labor into a commodity, and then sells that commodity off for more money back. This was never a significant part of the world's economies until the 17th century. It is this mode of producing things that delineates capitalism from all the other systems that came before it.

did you not read what i said before, or not understand it?

what you are describing is literally the end of the horse race i was talking about.

What's the point of a new Star Trek show?

DS9 pretty much proved the Federation is a hypocritical Marxist shithole built on false ideals.

Fed Civil War when?

not to mention you are completely incorrect, usury has been around as long as the written word. how the fuck do you think a miller built his flour mill or a blacksmith built his forge? they borrowed money to make money for thousands of years,

greed and money lenders are not the problem, the problem is the imperfect system itself which needs periodic instability to thrive

at present there is no better system. the best we can do is to stretch out the good times and minimize the bad

You're just a little confused. Merchants and money lenders are also on a "quest for capital"; it's industrial capitalists that define capitalism.

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also to not have George Takei captaining the USS Excelsior like a boss.

Never. Leftists get butthurt if you imply their Mary Sue civilization is in the wrong.

In the current climate a new Star Trek show would be unwatchable.

TNG was already very cringeworthy and preachy, but I can't wait for the whole crew to be affirmative action hires and mentally ill sexual deviants.

no, you are wrong. you're accepting this concept of "industrial" as if it's some boogeyman that is not the natural result of a successful capitalistic venture over generations.

there is an argument to be made against recognizing groups as individuals, such as in a corporation or guild - but the argument is limited and does not support your assertion that "industrial" capitalists are a new phenomenon

To put it a bit more simply, the top wealthiest and most powerful class being the merchant class, instead of a landed aristocracy.

Only if you accept its ridiculous premise of the Federation belligerently pushing its way into the Gamma Quadrant after the technologically superior Dominion tells them it's theirs, allowing the Klingons/Romulans/Cardassians to start shit (also for no practically justifiable reason), and be arbitrarily skeptical of the Bajoran "religion" in spite of their "gods" being low-rent Q knockoffs like the Federation deals with every Tuesday.

Face it, DS9 is shit.

they are free to make better use of their land… are they not?

you're just trying to sneak in a jew boogeyman where it doesnt belong. everyone is a jew under capitalism.

if they arent a jew, then they're stupid

TNG had some great moments to be fair.

All Star Trek shows are shit, but DS9 makes it a point to make a mockery of the Federation's idiocy instead of pretending Space Marxism could magically work.

well, yeah. but they've already said something about it being an anthology and the first season being set between "The Undiscovered Country" (and/or the opening of "Generations") and TNG.

so it's probably going to be more along the lines of "we can't have the best and longest-lasting Starfleet uniforms, or most of the coolest Federation ship designs because we have to have Original Content Do Not Steal", and have retarded costumes and ships that don't even remotely fit in the established design style.

imagine Voyager or the Enterprise-E in the JJverse. with a hole in the saucer like the Vengeance because the design guys for Trek have had a boner for that for years.

i guess i grew up at exactly the right time to love this show the most. i was 12-19 during star trek tng's run. the last couple of seasons werent so great, what with obvious shilling for the two new series, and my growing up… but i really did love the show most out of all, until i saw enterprise.

it wasnt until much later that i developed an appreciation for tos

Just fucking kill yourself, fam.

That just sounds like a convenient excuse to shit up the little good Star Trek has managed to give us over the years.

Gotta pozz all the bases.

Sorry let me try articulating this a little better for you. There are basically three types of capitalists and ways in which they trade things in order to increase their supply of capital:

1) Money Lenders: they trade money for more back via interest
Money -> More Money

2) Merchants: they trade money for commodities and then the commodities to someone else for more money back than they started with
Money -> Commodities -> More Money

3) Industrial Capitalists: they trade money for means of production (tools, resources, a workplace to use them) and labor which transform into commodities and then trade those commodities for more money back than they started with
Money -> Means of Production + Labor -> Commodities -> More Money

The first two of these have existed since antiquity; even Plato and Aristotle had things to say about them. They are not what define the new system known has capitalism which displaced feudalism in the 17th century. What defines the capitalism system is the third class of capitalists. They are what make it unique compared to other systems of the past.

I hope that was clear enough this time.

Nah, I'm actually a Jewish commie. Aristocrats being bound to land (which is vital to survival) and blood (which is the most surefire way to motivate the retention of a feud) meant the only way for them to vie with each other was by trying to lop each others' heads off. Capitalism made things a lot less destructive by making it about everyone trying to out-Jew each other. The gradual shift from unregulated capitalism to socialism is about calming that down.

No, its point is that eventually we'll grow up and leave the cradle. TOS, perhaps even more than TNG, harped on the point that humanity had become morally superior, both to its past, and to many primitive races they ran across.

DS9 isn't just worse, it's steaming hot trash.

Also I'm not making any sort of argument here, I'm just providing you with an objective, economist's definition of what capitalism is and isn't.

i understand what you mean, readily.

what i do not understand is how you can think someone would borrow money in antiquity, in order to say - buy the materials and labor in order to build a fucking saw mill to provide lumber in a market with a need for it - and then not charge enough to make a profit on top of paying back the loan

plus the Romulans were supposed to have fucked off for a while, and the Klingons were being BFFs with the Federation. so either they're going to piss on canon or come up with retarded new ayys that were never mentioned before and never appear again, just like on Enterprise with the Xindi and Suliban and whatever that faggy doctor was.

well i guess you gotta publish to get paid, right professor?

TOS espoused a particular kind of liberalism that believed in some universal, unchanging truths. Kirk was more than willing to go against Federation rules if he believed he was doing the right thing.

Picard worships at the altar of the Prime Directive like a cuck worships his bull's penis. Moral relativism is the order of the day in TNG.

Or they'll have more timeline altering shenanigans. Those are always fun!

Didn't Picard and Kirk both violate the Prime Directive several times?

I almost wish this was in the lensflare universe so I could just ignore it like Kirk doing bike stunts to Beastie Boys songs.

Picard was perfectly willing to stand aside and let a Klingon coup take place against the legitimate government because it's not his duty to interfere with the internal affairs of other cultures.

TOS is old school liberalism, TNG is the new and improved cucked version.

And this after said Klingon saved his life.

Or being a smug, unlikeable little shit with the charisma of a pitbull.

yes, so did Archer (before it was more than Vulcan advisor's advice)

You mean like in Nemesis and Insurrection?

I actually can't think of a time he did to be honest.

Archer didn't really

Because Prime Directive didn't exist then

lol i fucking hated the new movies' direction. special effects were awesome, some of the writing was sublime - but the fucking direction, jesus wept

did the Prime Directive even exist during Enterprise?

let's ask memory-autism:

no but the vulcan advisors to earthlings pretty much paraphrased it all the time

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i type the same way, its an imageboard not a fucking dissertation

Are we really gonna pretend that the movies have anything to do with the themes of TOS?

Enterprise was a fucking soap opera. If that's your favorite Trek you need to off yourself.

Yeah, and if they can't live long enough to engage in peaceful communication they can go fuck themselves.

And these are the good guys?

Correction: it's an image board, not a fucking instant messager.

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Rod, pls go. Your fathers ideas were mostly shit. DS9 is undoubtedly the best ST series until Sisko goes full black Jesus in season 7.

Nigger, we're all anonymous here, the only way to prove our worth in a discussion is the quality of our posts.

If you type like a troglodyte just fresh off ICQ people are gonna think you're a retard.

So, they're basically Space Marxists?

My apolize. I didnt realize you'll judged the quality of a post by it's grammatical adherence rather than its actual content.

One of the founding fathers once wrote in his journal that he could not think of anything less creative than a person who only knew one way to spell a word - how apropos

ONOMATOPOEIA
sesquipedalian

Look, I could give less of a shit what a faggot long ago thought about proper spelling, or why it's relevant to how things are done on chans.

By typing like a nigger you just end up looking like a retard. Either get with the program or lurk the fuck more.

Are you talking about the Redemption two-parter? That's a lie and you know it, I can't believe TNG-haters ever fixated on it as a meme. Picard knew it would have caused open war, so instead he set up a blockade which exposed Romulan interference, discredited the would-be coup, and defused the civil war. If you want to point to a legit example of Picard taking the prime directive too far, try Homeward, where he dooms an entire race to die when their planet explodes. That was something of a fluke, though, and I'm sure I could recall similarly dumb episodes from TNG or other series if I tried

It's a point of style. Kirk was a rough and tumble combatant, Picard a smooth diplomat, both held to the same moral code.

On the one hand, the drama surrounding T'Pol sucked. On the other hand, every single relationship on DS9 (aside from maybe O'Brian and Keiko) made me want to projectile vomit. It didn't hurt Enterprise that bad.

It's not about how smart it feels to type coherently; it's about courtesy towards the people you're trying to engage with. Posts lacking caps and punctuation are tedious and irritating to read through.

I'm not typing like a nigger tbh smh fam

Stop, you'll only encourage this fag to get a trip.

I guess I'll have to keep that in mind then, because though I disagree, I can empathize.

I'm pretty sure Kirk never did leave a race to face their extinction.

Kirk was all about universal liberty, while Picard espoused non-intervention and coexistence. Kirk fought against what he perceived to be universal evils, Picard lets them slide in the name of ideology.

And in the Redemption episode the Klingon leader directly waives away the non-intervention clause by asking Picard to step in (everyone knowing the Romulans are behind it) and Picard refuses.

TNG is all about moral relativism and non-commitment. The Federation stands for nothing beyond empty platitudes. At least DS9 goes on to show what happens when you take the Federation's bullshit to its logical extreme and watch it break down under its own weight.

Never. I have been here since around Sept 2014, trips are cancer - but so are pedos, antipedos, pol, leftypol, pretty much everyone who treats the most popular boards here like it's "old Holla Forums"

I would never stoop so low as to tripfag except as a joke.

Note that in the example I gave, they weren't ACTUALLY abandoned, and that Picard's choices regarding the Klingon coup resulted in defusing a situation that otherwise would've plunged the entire galaxy into goofy DS9-style war. Similarly, Kirk threatened on numerous occasions (such as the General Order 24 one) to wipe out entire populated planets, but nobody ever called him on the bluff.

That's pretty accurate really. If Kirk sees injustice in a society he's going to do his damned best to fix it, fuck the rules. Sure he won't get involved if it's fairly minor as the Prime Directive exists for a reason but it can always be ignored. Picard would claim interference is wrong and no culture can be judged by the morals of another (that is it cannot be unjust as Kirk would see it). Quite how he keeps this consistent with every individual, culture aside, having the same moral rights I don't know but there you go.

So, leaving aside the Babylon 5 faggots who don't like Star Trek, how exactly would a new TV series work, anyway? You've got a choice of shit, and more shit. Maybe even both at once for a scrumptious sandwich!

The reboot is, of course, complete garbage so far as the Enterprise crewed entirely by angsty teens is concerned. But, since the rest of the setting hasn't been defined, aside from some tie-in novels. On the downside, this means you'd be giving up most of the benefits of a preexisting franchise, since coming up with enough background material for full seasons of TV would mean essentially writing everything from scratch or (like the movies themselves) engaging in the basest form of canonical fanfic.

The original timeline isn't much better off, though. Before the reboot, there was of course the raw sewage of Voyager, DS9, and the TNG movies being pumped all over everything, then the reboot blew up Romulus. But wait, there's more! Aside from no doubt dumb tie-in novels, there's STO, where all of this has somehow lead to the Klingons fighting the Federation again, the Romulans going into open war, the Dominion also invading again, and of course there's a Borg invasion, just because.

Is bringing Star Trek back to TV now really practical, or would it be like trying to make another mainline WarCraft game while WoW is still running?

>raw sewage of Voyager, DS9, and the TNG movies being pumped all over everything

DS9 really doesn't belong in such shitty company.

Also, personal opinion on the series itself aside, it didn't exactly damage the setting. Mostly it fleshed out existing groups and added the Dominion. If anything it'll help you when it comes to a new show.

All the books and STO have to be ignored along with the last two TNG movies if you want to set anything in the original timeline.

Your best bet for an original timeline show is either what has been proposed (randomised stories not following one group) or the polar opposite and a return to the TOS/TNG formula. The former will be hard to do without very good writers, casting and acting (unlikely) but the latter is easily done by setting shit in either the Delta or Gamma quadrants as both have the ground rules set and some history to pull on without being played out.

Well, they have to take the antimatter to generate their energy from somewhere, right? Then it's not fully post-scarcity, and in fact IRL it's impossible to be post-scarcity as far as we know.

I want to see you make a battery with wood and sunlight, faggot.

This guy gets it. With a natural monopoly, or a monopoly of any kind, or even oligopoly (Trough the formation of cartels), it's easy to corner the market and drive the price to get in so high that you're the only competitor in the market and nobody can get in.
If replicators got made, it'd be actually hard for that to happen, so it'd be easy for the federation to work with it. Really, I suppose the federation can work with basically any economic system, as the issue of where the energy comes from is never addressed, so if we assume they have The Infinite Mine Of Energy then yeah, they're post-scarcity, and they can basically work in any way without problems, even in communist dystopia mode.

Houses are corporations of individuals, not individuals, so then it's not capitalism even if you accept that it was a race between houses for which gets the more money, you fucking faggot nigger. The biggest defining trait of modern capitalist thought is the individualism, and freedom of association, because if not you end up with things like the USSR, which was actually communist "but it traded with other countries in a capitalist-like manner, so it was capitalist :^)".

No wonder the trek board is dead if this is the sort of autism it produces.

The JJ movies could have been good if they went full 60's with bare chested Kirk fighting monsters and women in slutty outfits.

Modern Trek would be too stiff and PC, like Enterprise but with fags/trannies/otherkin etc. TNG already went for the pozz but it was kept in line by studio execs and the death of Roddenberry.

Picard is a Libertarian.

The Prime Directive is Libertarianism, all through TNG the moral struggles are about whether they should break with those values when presented with difficult situations.

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but jolene blalock though

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We are never going to be able to replicate food and goods en masse without materials. Star Trek gets away with what it has by basically handwaving it away with magic technology.

Even if we had something that could replicate or put together molecules into structures we need (a bit more realistic) those materials wouldn't be infinite or free. Star Trek basically avoids the material source problem.

dont look at her nudes, you'll be disappointed.

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conservation of mass and energy makes it possible, it's technically not physically impossible to have a replicator technology that works.

where they cheat seems to be never getting any mass as fuel. the energy in a single atom of say, hydrogen (because it's the most abundant element in the universe even in interstellar space) is enormous.

a replicator that actually takes energy and converts it to matter would require FAR MORE resources than could be reasonably found on a starship the size of a single city block. the reactor - even using cheaty "dilithium crystals" - would need to be at least the size of a fucking moon

i was unaware there were nudes. are they from when she was still attractive?

some shitty movie from like ten years ago. her nipples look atrocious

they look fine to me.do you prefer karla spice giganto nipples or something?

This does not allow you to get more material out of the universe than exists or create it out of thin air.

No it isn't. You've bought into bullshit propaganda my friend.

You don't seem to understand what matter is, either. You can't convert energy to matter.

i like pink ones. the lighting in that pic is wrong. the dvd shows she has nipples the color of dark shit. might as well be a raccoon

literally E=MC^2

how the fuck is that propaganda?

why not? what happens inside the event horizon, stays inside the event horizon

not to mention there are theoretical possibilities for just that being investigated as we speak, outside of strange environs

forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/05/19/einstein-was-right-you-can-turn-energy-into-matter/#6cba64095c14

not anymore. it was all a trick by the Iconians. now the Temporal Cold War is going on. (which got started by getting Red Foreman's people involved). [PLAYER CHARACTER] has already dealt with the "bigger on the inside" ship from ENT: "Future Tense" and hiding the Tox Uthat on Risa to ruin Picard's vacation someday. soon, the Space Nazis from ENT: "Storm Front" will be annoying Scotty and Chekhov right after TOS ended, but [PLAYER CHARACTER] and [NEW PLAYER CHARACTER FOR THE NEW EXPANSION] and totally-not-Daniels will deal with that.

huh. i havent played it, i probably would like it

You do not understand that formula, the history surrounding it, or any of its practical applications. You are applying it to science fiction and then asking me "how is that propaganda?"

Sci-fi nerds such as yourself are the easiest shits to brainwash. You actually believe that you can create matter out of nothing, for free. No wonder you are also a commie.

Now here you are pretending that you've been inside a blackhole, know what happens in one, that the bullshit they tell you about them is automatically true, etc. etc.

You are a propaganda junky. You don't apply critical thought to any of these claims.

I bet you digest bullshit pseudo science like this everyday.

an abundance of energy is not "nothing"

the theoretical science behind creating mass out of energy is no different from the theoretical science in "a brief history of time" (and yes i am fully aware that much of that book has been shown inaccurate since string theory is debunked)

when the fucking math works, it works. that's why theoretical applications precede physical applications universally

you sound like a fucking moron by the way - someone who got a bs in math in the 1970's and havent bothered to keep up since then

Hopefully not. The existing series were pozzed enough.

That sounds like it would necessitate yet another continuity, like what Lucas did with TFA to his EU. But even in the best-case scenario of burying the other two, that wouldn't really lend any moral superiority, since you'd be resorting to their methods.

Obviously, but when people say "post scarcity" they don't mean "unlimited star empires on demand for everyone", they mean something has become so abundant that economics are broadly irrelevant as a means of mediating nonexistant scarcity, like sending text messages over the internet or getting drinking water from a city tap right now.

Incidentally, regarding antimatter in ST, I've heard everything from mundane explanations ("it's used to store energy from fusion generators") to extremely silly ("multidimensional rotation allows antimatter to be directly manufactured by 'flipping' them")

Sure thing, you can manufacture substitutes for gasoline, diesel, methane, and hydrogen, even using CO2 from generator emissions directly as a feedstock:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

But that's hardly necessary, since global stocks of platinum, lithium, nickel, and zinc are far more than enough to meet demand for mobile energy. Not to mention that two of the best grid energy storage technologies, geothermal heat pumps and subterranean compressed air, don't have any special material requirements.

We don't need to "replicate" food, both the natural ecosystem and our artificial agricultural system recycle biomatter. All we have to do is be more efficient about it.

Star Trek replicators don't directly convert energy from the ship's antimatter reactor into other materials, they have a reserve of matter stored much like a transporter's pattern buffer, which is manipulated to form whatever atoms and molecules are desired. To dispose of unwanted items, they are disassembled and fed back into this reserve.

Jesus Christ that's retarded.

String theory hasn't been debunked. See, the problem with string theory isn't that it's strictly wrong, it's that it's unfalsifiable because the claims it makes neither contradict nor reinforce any theory regarding experimentally observable facts. It's the physics equivalent of theology. Anyway, matter can obviously be made from the consumption of energy, since energy can be made from the consumption of matter, QED.

STO is Shakespeare compared to the novels. particularly the "Destiny" novels, where the Borg get an origin story and it's even gayer than anyone could possibly have imagined.

memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Destiny
memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Caeliar

we're clearly talking past eachother. post scarcity is not "everything in abundance" it literally means the highest prices for the most mundane goods

Surely you mean "LOWEST prices for the most mundane goods," right? If so, that's kinda' exactly what I said, with the proviso that if something's price falls too far, it will drop beneath the opportunity cost of measuring and selling it.

Well the later books (oh god the fucking books) and STO make such wild changes to the universe you'd have to spend 1-2 seasons going over it all for the people that didn't bother (i.e. the vast, vast majority of your audience). It'd be two seasons wasted too because most of that storyline is fucking ass.

I suppose you could get away with not retconning shit if you just set it in the delta or gamma quadrant and didn't talk about anything back home.

And there's no moral superiority involved in any of this. Objectively bad fluff should always be retconned if it gets in the way of good fluff.

Holy fuck, why is CBS not doing a better job of promoting this? I just checked and there isn't even an IMDB page for it yet.

Yes, the new series will premier in January, 8 months from now. Showrunner is this cat named Bryan Fuller and ellegedly CBS will have no creative control and is leaving it all up to him.

He's written for DS9 and Voyager and ran a few shows before i guess. The rumor is that it's going to be an anthology series which is good…and new ships and crews after each run… but it'll all take place in the years between Star Trek VI and TNG, which is awesome… best uniforms… kickass design….

I dunno why more people… particularly supposed "fans" on Holla Forums have no idea about it this close to launch. CBS better give it a few seasons to find its audience if they don't intend to promote it.

the dont care anymore, and the investors never did

the days of good shows that stand on their own feet are over

i didnt know you were a solipsist.

Wow, so it's the Enterprise approach again. Maybe the franchise will end up like the Zelda timeline, forever bouncing around under the ceiling of the chronological "later" installment so that iconic elements can still be there.
treknews.net/2016/04/13/new-star-trek-series-before-tng-prime-universe/

The purpose of science is to use past measurements of the universe to make falsifiable predictions about the results of future measurements, anything else simply isn't science.

The skirt happened because it was the first season and nobody knew what the fuck was going on

Trekkies should be gassed

Of course they should. They're leftists.

I had no idea girls had leg fetishes the same as guys do until I started running in old school basketball shorts.

No, I'd wear shorts you effeminate faggot.

STO really went to shit after it went FTP.

It's time to come out of the closet. Nigga, you gay

Shame that badass died.

I'll point out that didn't survive past the first season.

The explanations here are utter bullshit. The reason they did the man in a skirt in season 1 TNG is because TNG was lefty as fuck and they felt guilty over the original series sexy as fuck miniskirt and go go boots they made all the Federation lady folk wear in the beinning to be cucked, but much more sane decade of the 60s, because now liking pretty girls is somehow evil, so of course the solution is to feminize a man because how dare we produce testosterone.

Good actor. One of my favorite episodes. One of the few actors with enough charisma to be the perfect offset to Bill mother fucking Shatner.

Vulcan for the Vulcans. Kronos for the Klingons. Earth for Everyone?

You do realise you're not the first person in this thread alone to point out that TNG season 1 (hell, all of TNG) is communist propaganda

It cannot be stated enough. The Mirror Universe Empire did nothing wrong.

They listened to alternate Spock and got conquered.

Only because of interdimentional subversion. The Terrans will rise again!

They let Spock pozz them, retard.

And who introduced these pozzed ideals into goatee spock who then used it to subvert the Empire? Had jewtrek not had interfered due to the transporter malfunction the empire would have conquered the universe.

The new ST is gonna be run by Bryan Fuller, which means it will be pretty, and full of faggots.

it's going to be on their version of Netflix, "CBS All Access" or whatever, so they'll probably start promoting it once that thing is ready to start taking money.

it got better.

then Delta Rising happened.

First Dominion ep, the founder told Odo they had always been planning to take over the Alpha Quadrant. The Dominion then planted agents in key positions of the governments and militaries of all the Alpha Quadrant powers, none of whom had previously given the Dominion cause for its aggression against them. The first stage of the Dominion's plan involved inciting a war between the Klingon and Cardassian empires. There's no way this could be justifiably attributed to the Federation's incursions into the Gamma Quadrant, which were largely scientific survey missions.

The mirror universe episodes of DS9 were so dumb, the whole point of the TOS episode was that mirror humanity was rotten to the core clear through their history, and the moral superiority of prime universe humanity afforded them inherent advantages.

Making it so people on both sides could jump back and forth between universes at will but chose not to was even dumber, much like the way parallel universe travel was dismissed as "too dangerous" on Stargate SG-1.

That only happened because some of the Alpha Quadrant powers believed each other to be vulnerable to Dominion attack. This would've been rendered null and void if the Federation had immediately blockaded the wormhole after discovering its destination to be the back yard of a technologically superior, aggressively expansionist, harshly repressive galactic power.