I'm curious what the actual britons of Holla Forums think about Northern Ireland/Ireland. I was under the impression none of you really give a shit about Ireland in general, but some people on this board have also LARPed that they'd die to keep NI.How do you feel about NI, or Ireland? Bitter? Angry? Do you just not fucking care?
British opinion of Ireland
I could understand being bitter about Northern Ireland still being British, because its going horrendously. But it must be weird technically sharing a country with somewhere that had an army stage an uprising against you. With shit like;>British soldiers getting prosecuted>Civil servants being paid thousands of pounds for being offended by portraits of the Queen in government buildings>The subversion of British rule not only being tolerated but openly accepted and promotedIt must be odd.
>>257417268nobody asked for my opinion, but I hate how that stupid country constantly makes fun of boomers who are proud of their irish ancestry, yet they'll be the first to claim JFK or f scott fitzgerald
>some people on this board have also LARPed that they'd die to keep NI.British boomers have found their way to Pol and they're cancer and the sort to utter such shite but they'll do fuck all and the British youth couldn't care less about NI/RoI.
I quite like the Northern Irish accent.This is my only opinion on the matter.
>>257417268I think Ireland's a pretty nice place. I'd rather see Ireland in a union with the UK since we have a similar enough culture and cluster together genetically, but I can understand their animosity towards us. As for Northern Ireland, if the Northern Irish considers themselves British and want to be a part of the UK then of course I would defend NI as a part of homeland and people, but if they wish to become part of ROI, then I would be sad but would not want to force them to stay. If they do not not see us as kinsmen then there is no point trying to force them to stay.
I sometimes forget NI, Scotland and Wales even exist. That's how little I care about them.
>>257417513We don't really claim either of them. Saying they have Irish ancestry =/= saying they're Irish. Also our issue with Irish Americans is that they discard actual *Irish-American* heritage to obsess over their shitty turf cutter from Tipperary 500 years ago.>>257417825Thank you! I like the Yowerkshire Accent>>257417943>Of course I would defend itBut the question is, do they deserve it? Northern Irish Loyalists started the Troubles. They spent the last Century gerrymandering the shit out of north-east Ulster to keep themselves in complete control. Of course I believe the principle of consent regarding NI's position is the way forward, but the idea that Loyalists deserve to be fought for is laughable to me seeing as they were never actually under attack.>>257418032That's what I figured.
>>257417513We don't make fun of boomers here and most Irish who've met American boomer tourists here will tell you they found them endearing and were happy to see them having a good time. The only place I've seen anyone making fun of American boomers is on R/Ireland but they're all a bunch of snooty middle class urban wankers and that place is no good representation whatsoever of the average Irish person. A lot of Irish people are low IQ too and don't understand that when an American says they're Irish that they mean by ethnicity and heritage but a lot of Irish people don't even know what an ethnicity is and they're bemused by someone from America saying they're Irish. I've had to explain that to a few low IQ thick Irish cunts in my time.
I'm impressed in a sense by the IRA being willing to act like sand people for their beliefs etc. because now the Irish government is flooding the rest of Ireland with immigrants, you'll need that kind of tenacity again. The religious tribalism between whites may be directed elsewhere for mutual survival
>>257418779>act like sand peopleThe narrative that the IRA were simply loose insurgents or even suicide bombers is just that-a narrative. The main faction of the republican side of the Troubles-the Provisional IRA-was a well organised, well armed paramilitary which turned huge swathes of Ulster into total no-go zones for even the British army, including a large chunk of the second largest city in NI.>religious tribalism between whitesThe Troubles was started by Loyalists, not the IRA.
>>257417268northern Ireland is ours, republic is theirs, simple as
>>257419070But it isn't simple at all. How come a majority of Westminster seats are Irish Nationalist, and how come the largest Unionist party has the same number of seats as the largest Nationalist party? How come Belfast has been safely in the hands of Sinn Féin for years? How come the mayor of the capital city of Northern Ireland commemorates IRA men?
>>257417268Ireland smells like poo and everyone who lives there is a ghastly little potato sucking ginger who thinks it's socially acceptable to sniff his fingers in public.
>>257419553I know you're angry about the fact that the first battle in history fought by Canadian Officers leading Canadian soldiers was a loss Irish Fenian Raiders that were outnumbered and exhausted but it's okay user. You'll get over it.
>>257418954Yeah but you missed my point. I hope the ability is still there or Ireland will be fucked.
>>257419773Army Council still exists, but it exists mostly to ensure that there remains to be grassroots support for physical force republicanism in working class communities.A big part of modern Irish Nationalism is the "ballot or bullet" mantra, which essentially means that physical force takes a backseat while politics can be used to secure our goals, however should anyone prevent that it'll be back to bullets.
Northern Ireland is far more trouble and expense than it's worth, and that's before we get into ethics.
>>257418779You’ll be “acting like sand people” when the foreign peoples you’re being replaced by impose their will on your people soon enough Nigel. Then you’ll understand war and love of ones country.
>>257419553Don't you have a mandatory gay pride hangout on zoom you need to attend, faggot leaf?
>>257418779Didn’t read your full post I take that back, good luck.
>>257417268What is even the point of this discussion? Both countries will be majority non white in 30 years. This is about as dumb as what Yankees think of Southerners.
>>257418108Ireland def claims JFK. There is a fucking park and a monument and an arbetorum there dedicated to him. And yeah they are hypocrites because they get annoyed when the average American or Australian slob claims to be Irish but when one of us does something great then they take credit for it.
What I want to understand is, what's so valuable about Ireland? What strategic military value does the island hold, and what vast resources is Ireland home to? Obviously it's decent land that people can live on but why is Britain so absolutely hard about keeping the Irish under their thumb? Why not just let them have their island and try to live on amicable terms with them? It's not like they'll ever build up a massive military force and be a genuine threat to the mainland, especially when the goal of the IRA was pretty much just Irish liberation and not Death To Britain.
>>257417268We should have all stayed united, my grandparents are irish and i am britishuntil 1916 most irishmen actually wante to stay in the union, the british overreacted and it caused a massive backlashultaimtely we should have accepted that ireland and britain are a bit different - soctland and england did well with a united parliament but the rish parliament should have been kept with purely domestic powersenglishmen, irishmen, scotsmen deep down are all very similar and share so much, it's kind of ridiclous to be dividedbut then you see their faggot indian PM and how he loves to posture about how ireland had a freedom struggle etc and you realise they are probably just too brainwashedireland today reminds me of a white girl who had some "flings" with various non-whties and can't understand why she was wrong.pity, but all civilsiations die in the end
>>257417268I don't think there's any hope for the Protestants in the long-term, but I have sympathy for them. Their situation is a microcosm of the demographic change that's happening across Britain and the West. They see Ulster as their home and it's vanishing before their eyes. Hopefully they see the writing on the wall, recognise it's a lost cause and return to Britain voluntarily so we can give up the territory. It's a shame, but taken to its logical conclusion the only thing they could do is ethnic cleansing (which is a pipe dream for obvious reasons). It's over.
>>257417393yes it's an insultactual terrorists released from prison while british soldiers are dragged through the courtswe are told we can't fly the union jacki am actually a quite rare thing, from a unionist family from ireland, cork to be precise. Most unionists almost all actually are in ulster.the istuation in ulster would be akin to texas being told they aren't allowed to fly the stars and stripes because it offends mexicans there
Irish are good people.better than a lot of Brits not half as pompous or platitudinous.
If Scotland and Wales are okay being part of the union what makes Ireland so special? We should re-unify Ireland and then re-take the entire island as part of the UK. It’s preposterous for the Irish to LARP as two states and the entire place should be returned to us by force if necessary
>>257420227We don’t get offended you wally we just find larping boomers cringe af as they don’t even act Irish or know anything about our people just media manufactured stereotypes that have no basis in reality. >to be sure to be sure me laddy!
>>257420432Well it's this way because of Loyalists.
>>257420450That ship sailed in 1922.
>>257420391They made their bed. They didn't come under attack, they started a war they couldn't fight.
>>257420267An English Earl helped the Irish high king retake his thrown, this pissed off the king of England who demanded he yield the territory to him. Ever since the Engish deemed Ireland legally theirs because some Norman French-English prick leant his army to the king and married his daughter.In regard to the North, Queen Elizabeth I sent thousands of English and Scots to Northern Ireland and gave them the Irish peoples land to permanently change the demographics of Northern Ireland. They did this all over Ireland to a lesser extent also. The North is loyal to Britain because they’re British not Irish, it’s akin to descendants of Turks in Greece wanting to remain part of Turkey.
>>257420490I get where you are coming from but what the fuck did JFK know about being Irish? Dude was from Massachusetts
I really, really like the songsThey're ao giddamn catchy, I know them all by heartMen behind the wireMy old Man's a ProvoThe wearing of the greenMan from the Daily MailBroad Black BrimmerKinky bootsStick you decomission up your assMy little ArmaliteOne shot PaddyGoing home at lastCome out ye black and tansGo on home British soldiers
>>257418954>The main faction of the republican side of the Troubles-the Provisional IRA-was a well organised, well armed paramilitary which turned huge swathes of Ulster into total no-go zones for even the British army, including a large chunk of the second largest city in NI.The Provisional IRA was a gangster operation that specialised in terrorising its own communities and carrying the occasional attack on random Protestants. Its greatest achievement was that, by 1995, every member of its entire "Army Council" was a double agent working for British Military Intelligence. Whereupon the IRA promptly surrendered unconditionally and accepted that Northern Ireland would remain British.>The Troubles was started by Loyalists, not the IRA.Yeah, the Loyalists started it by launching a terror campaign to secede from the fenian republic. Oh, wait, that's bullshit.
>>257419983Listen Mick, these cunts won't do the right thing even if they end up watching their own children get gang raped by pakistaineze. brits will LARP in favour of invaders to swerve the accusation of racism. They want to label paddy fuckin stupid but these cocksuckers are worse.Long live Rotherham, it is needed to expose their failuresLook up EMILY JONES AGED 7 OF BOLTON.
I heard irish people kiss rocks and stash potato seeds under mattresses
>>257417268Londoner, come across more Irish folks than English folks here xD Sick accent, don't know what the prior beef was about, don't want to fucking know, don't poison my well, I love the Irish. They're good folks, family people, I like that shit.
>>257417268>I'm curious what the actual britons of Holla Forums think about Northern Ireland/Ireland.
>>257420993>the GFA was an unconditional IRA surrenderInteresting
>>257420812He was proud of his Irish ancestry and made a big deal about it when he visited as President. The locals loved him and thought he was a great man, we even have a service station named after Obama called the Barack Obama Plaza in the town his Irish ancestors are from.
>>257420893Go on home British soldiers go on home!
>>257421012We tell Americans it’s good luck to kiss a stone in a castle called Blarney and they pay us. I personally keep my seeds in my shed.
>>257417393People in northern Ireland are either land grabbing refugee brits, abduls or race traitors. No fucking in-betweens. To be protestant and Irish is to be subservient and cucked.
>>257417268the IRA were terrorist organisation that deserved what was coming to them, and Ireland belongs in the union with self-autonomy IMO
>>257421152Zoomer roadmen have found pol fuck.
>>257419983everybody civilised 'till it's time to deal with the uncivilised
>>257417268lol brits can't even beat a bunch of drunks with ARs.
>>257421579Good thing nobody cares about your opinion, NPC faggot.
>>257420450What a faggot. You couldn't even take your own cities back from Pakis and Nogs let alone try and take our island. Do something about your own island and stop your cringe larping about ours. >>257421528Thanks for your input mutt. Glad you can tell us all about our own country despite never being here or even having the slightest clue.
>>257421267>He was proud of his Irish ancestry and made a big deal about it when he visited as President.Sure, no doubt about that. But if he had been a typical American tourist and not a popular President you guys would have just laughed at him.>we even have a service station named after Obama called the Barack Obama Plaza in the town his Irish ancestors are from.Jeez lol
>>257421579We asked for self autonomy and were shut down retard. That’s what the original IRA was founded over. The Irish Brotherhood was campaigning for Irish autonomy and were denied, eventually they lead the revolution of 1916 which was put down. After that we were further occupied by British soldiers coming home from France who brutalised the population. This is what sparked the war of independence. Even the troubles were started by LOYALIST TERRORISTS. It was the IRA who defended Catholic Irish communities from Protestant Loyalist terrorism. I agree the attacks against English civilians were heinous and wrong however.
>>257421594>beat a bunch of drunksYou faggots and your stereotypes.
>>257417268>fight off the anglo>to get flooded with blacks and muslimsLol Socialists!
>>257417268>some people on this board have also LARPed that they'd die to keep NI.We should kill them then.Giving Ni.I. back to the Irish would solve so many problems all at once.But the ptb don't want those problems solved. Those problems existing are what makes them the ptb.
>>257422105>We asked for self autonomy and were shut down retard. That’s what the original IRA was founded over. The Irish Brotherhood was campaigning for Irish autonomy and were denied, eventually they lead the revolution of 1916 which was put down. After that we were further occupied by British soldiers coming home from France who brutalised the population. This is what sparked the war of independence. Even the troubles were started by LOYALIST TERRORISTS. It was the IRA who defended Catholic Irish communities from Protestant Loyalist terrorism. I agree the attacks against English civilians were heinous and wrong however.That was in the past, plenty of bad things happened.But imo religion aside, the isles are better united -- particularly against the EU
>>257421809I care greatly about his opinion. Every opinion from one of God's beloved creations is inherently valuable
From our faraway perspective, it was (is?) a retarded white-on-white conflict, almost a civil war. I'm curious to know to what extent did religion really matter in this whole thing, and to what extent was is just a cover-up for pure economic and political dominance.
>>257422032>Sure, no doubt about that. But if he had been a typical American tourist and not a popular President you guys would have just laughed at him.No we wouldn’t have because he wasn’t cringey. I always assist American tourists in finding their way when lost in the city because they’re tourists. Can’t blame people for laughing at the literal larperd though who are larping as a fairytale of what it means to be Irish not actual Irish people. I love American tourists man you’re always so bubbly and the energy transfers to everyone else which is nice. But if you’re gonna wear a kilt around the city centre don’t expect people to not think it’s unusual lol.
If it means anything to ya, most Aussies like the Irish, those who have visited love Ireland and are sympathetic to reunification.Just stay in the commonwealth please.
Keep NI please
>>257417268Nordie muppet looking for head pats
>>257417268I like ireland as a country the culture etc is a stronger welsh, i think NI is okay being a part of our union as long as they want to (the majority), its not really a net benefit for us, id feel slightly guilty if the loyalists came under the foot Sinn Fein due to the birthrateFrom what i've read loyalists seem to have fueled / possibly set off the troubles so it makes it more acceptable to allow the union again as they caused a lot of the issues they now face
>>257422295In another life. But we’d be far worse off demographically if we were still a part of the Union, perhaps as a member of the common wealth we’d be good. The EU and globalists have destroyed us and what our fore fathers died for.I’m be against union on principle of the fact it’s against the wishes of those who died for Ireland. Strong union in soul and friendship however is realistic and indeed exists for the main part. But I’m totally agains Ireland being under the heel of anyone, whether that be billionaire globalists or the queen of England.
Another head patting sesh..."Tell us you like us, please, PLEASE" "PLEASE"!!Our self esteem as a nation depends on what others thinkPLEASE LIKE ME!!!!!!!
>>257420267Dublin was the second city of the British Empire. Ireland was an integral part of the UK. Of course it was an enormous crisis.>>257420432It's very funny is what it is. Loyalists kicked up a storm, got their shit pushed in, now NI is cucked to Nationalists forever. British soldiers deserve to be dragged through courts. Loyalists deserve to be punished. I don't care how mad you are. This is the comeuppance.
>>257420450Nice LARP. Shocking that you feel so passionately about a subject you clearly know nothing about. If you read your history you'd be cursing Ulster Unionists for killing your Union.
>>257417687Pretty much this. Hardly anyone of the younger (>40) generation care to push for a united Ireland. Only people I've met irl who push for it are Sinn Fein members and commies
>>257422831Hardly, I'm just curious. >>257422506There was actually a plan to stay in the Commonwealth and become a Republic via external association, but the Brits were autistic about it. The lesson to be learned is that any union or grouping with the British at the head is to be avoided like the plague.
>>257422368>did religion matterNot really. It was political allegiance, not religion-the fact that in broad strokes "catholic" meant Nationalist and "protestant" meant Unionist was all there was to it. Irish Nationalism traditionally unites the two main faiths in Ireland in the name of furthering Irish interests against foreign imperial subversion.
>>257423031He is talking about British youths. In NI the youth are mostly Irish. It's a huge issue that there might accidentally be a successful border poll in a few decades and nobody (including the ROI) will be ready.
>>257422739>I’m be against union on principle of the fact it’s against the wishes of those who died for Ireland. Strong union in soul and friendship however is realistic and indeed exists for the main part. But I’m totally agains Ireland being under the heel of anyone, whether that be billionaire globalists or the queen of England.I suppose that makes sense. But it would be delusional to think your main enemy is the Brits, in this day and age its better if we all unite against the hordes non-whites (90% of the world pop)
>>257417268Id give it back to the republic tomorrow, but according to my Irish relatives, (Wexford) they don't fucking want it, and they couldn't afford the benefits bill, kek.Also, FYI, they can't stand the Americunt plastic paddies who say they're Irish, because they had a relative run away from the famine 200 years ago - by that reasoning, most of "the hated British" are Irish too...
>>257422295nigger fuck you. The irish deserve independence. we dont need any more additions to the globalist powers
>>257422660>feeling guilty about LoyalistsThey quite literally deserve everything they get.
>>257419553Fuck you leaf trash ass nigger. Get a rake. Go fuck off hockey pr0n bitch.