" a biological anthropologist, hypothesizes that somehow, only a few men accumulated lots of wealth and power, leaving nothing for others. These men could then pass their wealth on to their sons, perpetuating this pattern of elitist reproductive success. Then, as more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again. "Maybe more and more people started being successful," Wilson Sayres says. In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man."
"In more recent history, as a global average, about four or five women reproduced for every one man ^^ I don't get this part, where is this happening and why?
what if we had 20% reproducing men, 50% women, and 30% crossdressers? This sounds like a winning formula
Dominic Cook
But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the bourgeoisie in chorus.
The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.
He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.
For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce community of women; it has existed almost from time immemorial.
Our bourgeois, not content with having wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other’s wives.
Bourgeois marriage is, in reality, a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalised community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.
Luke Rivera
We're basically moving to wealth inequality levels from that time.
If we move from 4:1 women/man reproduction ratio to 17:1 + …. I dunno, I dunno It already sucks how it is.
I'm going to turn super culturally conservative (but still economically liberal), until the left can fucking explain how anything other than monogamy can prevent a scenario like this.
Carter Hernandez
bullshit "liberal science" article comparing historical circumstances to modern situations #430229
Hunter Torres
SJW being anti-science out of agenda #88588
Jonathan Davis
You are new here aren't you?
Lucas Parker
They come in here when triggered every once in a while. Usually through an otherwise non-SJW
Samuel Bell
Reddit has been coming here and there's a lot of open SJWs, in particular Afroplasm, the whitest man in the UK, and Lares, a Puerto Rican underage teen that openly says identity politics is beneficial and necessary. Of course, he hasn't read a single book because they don't have those in Puerto Rico.
Jonathan Price
Does anyone other than SJWs really oppose monogamy though. I've always leaned towards cultural conservatism and pathetic as they may be, incels and the manosphere do have a lot of important points about women and how they choose partners.
Zachary Reed
Join the largest communist parties (Russia, China), and Angela Nagle in Ireland and the late Christopher Lasch in the US in becoming a conservative leftist
Carter Martin
Reminder you're either a sjw or nazbol, one or the other, pick one and only one. youtu.be/0JNfP8341UA?t=34
Agreed, people like Roger Devlin exaggerate (I think) and could use more empirical citations, but they kind of hit the money on.. if it's not happening now in the US, what could happen very soon.
But Devlin is a fucking idiot on race and national health. Having an ethnostate is a non-starter, there's no reason to do it. Closing borders, sure, but an ethnostate, no
Kevin Murphy
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Jayden Martinez
They are "important points" because they are recycled fascist propaganda for the new millennium. The free sexual market inevitably creates loosers and winners and you can easily pander to the loosing side with the right words and "studies" (totally valid, every single one of them, believe me, I'm the best at studies).
Ayden Anderson
Enforcing monogamy has nothing to do with marriage. Marriage as it is now is a bourgeois institution, concering itself with the management of estates. Remove the bourgeoisie and the institution changes. Many civilizations had some form of marriage before capitalism, feudalism or even before that. The form it will take post revolution won't be rooted in money, so no more marriages for it. Other than that, you cannot tell anyone who to not fuck.
Luke Cook
It's just what>>2278514
Colton Hughes
You "lean towards cultural conservatism" because you have a shit-tier understanding of theory.
David Bailey
It's not propaganda, it's basic history and pretty obvious stuff going on around us. What evidence is there that Nazis made the sexual arguments in the early 20th century that they are making now?
Plus Nazis aren't the only ones making these points, there are leftists doing so too, they are just louder.
The only group that stays away from evopsych as a whole is feminism, and the reason they do it is because evopsych points out differences btw genders, that's all, that's the root of the whole thing, they don't reject evopsych because it's a soft science
everyone knows evopsych is a soft science, but at least it's based on science and not a religion like feminism
Marriages tie people down reproductively, but only if it's lifelong, has nothing to do with it being prole or bourgie.
Jayden Morris
most communists by numbers in the world lean cultural conservative. Cultural liberalism in the left is an anglo-saxon phenomena
Joseph Phillips
Regular psych points out the differences, evopsych is a protoscience at best. It's completely untestable unless you can somehow conduct experiments on a macro-evolutionary timescale.
Nathaniel Diaz
Most Communists by numbers in the world also have a shit-tier understanding of theory [not least that Communists themselves are not the active agents of revolution].
Angel Watson
regular psych has just as good a track record as evopsych, and literally the only org opposed to evopsych is feminist orgs, it's taught in every college around the world
Liam Clark
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_of_masculinity_under_fascist_Italy I don't even have to search for some esoteric leftist study. It's pretty easy to see the connection between fascism and the modern ideology that is taking hold of the incel/manosphere space. And please stop reddispacing and calling feminsts out whenever you need a boogeyman. None fucking cares about them here.
Adrian Nelson
that has nothing to do with what I asked for
Nolan Martin
"'where my womenz at"'
Jaxon Wood
Oh you mean to say that aut-right/incel groups/mgtow/redpillers never made arguments such as: -women destroy civilizations. The more liberty they are given the closer societal collapse is (cue Roman empire example) -women are biologically inferior to men -the intrusion of women in male workplaces would disrupt the natural hierarchy of them -women should not have constitutional rights outside those given by their men and any movement forming to give such rights to them is a dangerous disruptive force
Jeez I really wonder where manosphere rethoric comes from.
Christopher Cook
I never hear them say that, I just hear them say that women are social darwinians, in a way like Nazis are, that is unpleasant
Yea I don't hear people today argue that either, some will argue women need to submit to men, but out of a social consensus on the matter
leftists were opposed to this too
again, patriarchy wasn't just a right wing thing
Anyway, if you are trying to say both today's and yesterday's nazis are anti-feminists (yea) and anti-modernists (sorta), then yea and sorta
Other groups are anti-modernist, pro-natalist etc
Connor White
Like hippies There was a popular thread in Holla Forums a while ago trying to find ways to make themself like the hippie movement out of fun, just because of the similarities
Adrian Reed
I always wonder, does that have any link to women's moderate neoteny?
Elijah Collins
Even the first MRA was a socialist.
Wyatt Walker
True, E. Belfort Bax
Easton Moore
you cant be left or right handed if we cut off everyones hands
Nicholas Reed
dark humor
Liam Evans
if you do that you get invaded, conquered and eradicated by a semitic civilization with a more oppressive culture
Mason Lewis
This entire thread is incel thread in disguise. Mods need to anchor it immediately.
Aiden Wood
you need to stop with you dumb moral panics over science
Hudson Roberts
Wrong, us big men will defend trap with great care.
Grayson Allen
This guy would live in a world with 17:1 woman/man reproduction, and think he could be a winner in that, lol how charming
you literally have no testosterone, fuck you
Robert Edwards
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Wyatt Brooks
oh no a metric tonne of sociology related areas dont touch evopsych with a ten foot pole explaining human behaviour with evolutionary behaviour scares the gender theory adherent
didnt stop Akkad wont stop islam
Austin Hill
And totally not because it's as scientific as feminist theory itself.
Eli Sanchez
a lot of evopsych is just basic logical conclusions from the basics of evolution
Ryan Gonzalez
You need to differentiate evopsych from ordinary psych. Ordinary psych just observes and tests human behavior both learned and inherent. Evopsych seeks to explain why the inherent behaviors developed, it is irellevant to the sexual politics at hand.
Adrian Turner
OP in a nutshell.
David Thompson
And the idea behind it is sound, but just drawing intuitive conclusions by applying evolutionary priciples to observed inherent behavior isn’t science proper. You have to make predictions and test all that shit.
Tyler King
evopsych also tests human behaviour and compares it to similar animal behaviour they've recreated ritualistic behaviour in pigeons its an interesting study and supposed to be a good example of how religious customs developed in humans
Josiah Thomas
Is there even one for that? I always hear The Fall Of Rome being brought up as some typa multiculturalism bogeyman, but I've never heard it being used to make MGTOW-tier arguments before.
Ryan Jones
Really? It’s not that uncommon a claim.
Does anyone have a link to that one guy who made responses to Molymeme’s bullshit about Rome?
Ayden Peterson
so like 90% of women want men to be taller than men
about 60% of men don't care either way
guess what percentage of couples have a taller man than woman? Exactly 90%.
You ask why and feminism says "I dunno stop asking"
Evopsych says "cuz women are the sexual selectors"
women got more socially liberated in the later stages of the Roman Empire before the wars of the Tetrarchy happened some noblewomen could hold public office, they werent charged with adultery anymore and it was common for Roman women to have multiple lovers, and the rich ones to have boy toy slaves its just one of the signs of the collapse of empire, any nation or empire that attempts to adhere to the ideal of Rome is doomed to share its fate
Aiden Adams
This is an a posteriori assertion without an actual basis. It might be true, but there's no scientific support for it. You can easily say that is is because of modern society, rather than genetics. What actually is is just an easy way to justify beliefs and behaviours meant to exploit a segment of the population.
And fuck you for forcing me to defend feminism.
Carson Johnson
redpillers have now given 99999 mysognist theories about women, often times contradictory, they are always going to land on fascist stuff because they talk about sexuality honestly 50000x more than the left
I don't like TRP cuz it's pickup artistry, but I've posted in TRP advocating communism and social democracy and gotten upvoted!
If I were to argue fascism in a leftbook group for long enough I'd be fucking stalked and told that I"d be shot.
Elijah Adams
What these idiots forget is that women have always been in a privileged position in Rome compared to any other European civilization. There were laws against rape and domestic abuse, many women held considerable economical power (Cicero's debtors were half women, half men for example), etc. To say that giving them more liberty was what caused the downfall of the empire is ridiculous.
Jacob Morales
oh no the mgtow argument is it caused the downfall of the empire what I've read in the books that do discuss this is that the liberation of women is just a symptom of the end
Christian King
So what? You are comparing a self professed apolitical group with a political ideology that was quite recently almost driven to extinction by fascist and reactionary forces. I wonder why they are defensive against fascist sympathizers.
Cameron Flores
That's meaningless. The point is used against women having those liberties, not to explore what brought society to that point.
Nathaniel Phillips
If women having sexual freedom let's them become the social darwnian tinder monsters that the OP describes, the yea fucking lock down their choices.
I"d advocate controlling the demand side as well. Men shouldn't proposition so much, it makes women more choosy, and they are all choosy for the same set of men with a wide enough pool. Look at dating sites, and if not that, look at sperm banks where they all pick literally the same 1% of sperm initially
Jason Cook
well what does bring society to that point is complacency a century of war with no real threat to major industrial and economic centers a plethora of corrupt leaders who use social welfare to gain popular support from the people eventually barbarian migrations/invasions into your peaceful economically stable land coupled with overpopulation and an infrastructure broken down and plagued with internal corruption results in a sustained period of instability then civil war, barbarian invasions and plague did the rest
Charles Allen
That’s just normal psychology. Evolutionary psychology attempts to explain why those behaviors emerge. Pointing out that women are he sexual selectors doesn’t expain how it originated or what survival benefits there may be.
Barbarians had already immigrated and intigrated into Roman society for a very long time when the western roman empire collapsed. The economic issues had to with military expansion occuring faster than transportation, communication, and infrastructure development could keep up, supported by a bloated military budget that went primarily toward supporting military infrastructure. Everything your describing occured over the course of centuries and is yet another example of someone expanding and contracting complicated periods of history to make a bullshit political analogy that doesn’t actually translate to anything. All topped with the historically ignorant, “immigration/multiculturalism contributed to schism and fall of Western Rome” point that is equally as wrong as “women did it”.
Ayden Collins
Why are you forcing me to play the feminist? We reached this point not because of evolutionary psychology or innate human tendencies, but because of the ruling ideology of our time. I don't remember who said it, maybe Zizek, but this new century saw the birth of a new type of totalitarianism. The typical tale we are fed is that totalitarian regimes died together with the last millenium, but it can (and should) be argued that we are living in a market totalitarianism. Last century totalitarian meant having the state determine everything, this century it means having the market dictate every single aspect of our life. This also mean our emotional satisfaction needs to be seen from a market perspective, in terms of demand and supply, of costs and profits. It is no surprisingly then that our emotional lives are shattered and alienated. The market requires to function poor and rich, alienated and oppressed.
But of course because of ideology we do not see this transformation directly, we do not see that the fault lies in the underlying structure of our society, so we search for esoteric sciency-like explanations that allow ourselves to detach from the reality that the market found us wanting and discarded us like it did with so many faulty products before.
You may succeed in making some progress against this social stratification and marketization of the human experience, but the source will not be affected until capitalism is dismantled. Culture will follow the base not the other way around.
Millions of deaths by civil wars and plagues are complacency. how are you making this assertion? Much of the empire's economy was destroyed by the civil wars. This is a classic misconception. The Roman empire did not have welfare, it simply provided heavily discounted food to the unemployed in the city of Rome (and no other city). The intent was not to gain the favor of the masses but to avoid massive riots in the streets. Much like the modern welfare state. Most barbarian tribes wanted to immigrate in the empire and peacefully integrate. They were forced to relocate because of the shitty living conditions of northern Europe, made worse by the Hunnic invasions. And the empire was everything but peaceful and stable, it was in a constant civil war, barely holding together. Not to mention overpopulation is a laughable claim. The empire lost a great portion of its population during the 3rd and 4th century due to various plagues and wars.
It is starkly evident to anyone even just knowledgeable of history that you are trying to shoehorn modern problems in an historical reality that had little to do with them.
Alexander Price
which ones? the Celts the Romans conquered? the Germanic tribes they extracted tribute from? the Goths didn't integrate into Roman society until after they'd burned Rome and demolished Gaul and Iberia the Vandals terrorised the Mediterranean for about 130 years before they settled down Rome had stopped expanding militarily for 200 years before the Western regions collapsed the population of the Roman Empire was inflated far beyond what their local infrastructure could support any interruption to the grain shipments from North Africa to Europe resulted in starvation and famine for Roman citizens what I'm describing occurred within 120 years, from the Gothic migrations to the Hunnic invasions to Genseric and the plague of Justinian I love how you use a reductionist argument to make it seem like it wasn't a contributing factor
shitty living conditions became the casius belli to sack Rome?
And the empire was everything but peaceful and stable, it was in a constant civil war, barely holding together. the war of the Tetrarchy was Romes last great civil war the next major conflict in Roman territory would be when Atilla the Hun rode in from the east
one major civil war, then continued on and off again border skirmish wars with Persia the city of Rome had a population of about 60 million people living in it 20% of the population of the world lived in or around the city of Rome this was only possible because of Roman control of grain distribution the major plague of the time wouldnt heavily depopulate Roman territory until the 6th century AD
Nathaniel Young
Alexandra Kollontai
Julian Anderson
I really am not, I just don't see why we need a bunch of incels on top of christians who already enforce monogamy in society.
Elijah Lewis
/Tips fedora
Aiden Hernandez
Yes women need to have a quota for how many men they sleep with.
Luke Bailey
XD XD
The point is lifelong monogamy.
Matthew Foster
bump
Ian Reed
It's important to realize this shift happened after most of humanity weren't hunter-gatherers anymore. Accumulation of resources includes women, who are also a kind of a resource.
I'm not surprised
Ayden Cooper
THE SEXUAL FREE MARKET NEEDS TO BE REGULATED
Adam Lewis
READ ZUPANČIČ
Isaiah Gutierrez
rape culture is real
Dominic Perez
It's real but the solution should be to target powerful predators perpetuating it not collectively blame all men for it like a pol their Jewish conspiracy
Caleb Baker
but 'strawman liberal monster-under-the-bed woo-mans' want to end rape culture via education and $$$raising awareness$$$ to make it less socially acceptable to commit rape by forcing WASPs to become whiteknight rapist hunters like the christian anti-pedo legionnaires of the 1990s. The alternative solution of training and arming those under oppression with commodity 9mm handguns, let alone knives or even spoons, is strictly prohibited. It shouldn't be because self defense is less complicated or centralised than relying on the male feminist meme. Anti-gun is reactionary.
Josiah Murphy
This basically BTFOs Holla Forums, sexual inequality is in fact influenced by social & material factors, not just genetics & culture, and would be vastly exacerbated under the conditions they're trying to restore. Only communism can bring about happiness for everyone.
Joseph King
So passed out drunk teenage girls should defend themselves with bullets?
Ryan Brooks
Neo-nazism is based in aesthetic and rhetoric is created afterwards in a top-down fashion. Speaking of fashion, I want to find a justification for NAZBOL so that I can wear leather in public while still pretending to care about Marx.
Good point. You've found a flaw. Ummm, Well, banning alcohol doesn't work, shit. How about nationalising designated sober nerds to look after the respective 'Cadbury' drinkers of society. I'll admit I don't spend more than forty seconds thinking before posting anything on this site, why bother with such a lack of accountability?
Blake Martin
The only acceptable formula is 100% cuteboys
David Hall
Anyone have/know about a french documentary that talks about sex and relates it to the market? It was a image of various stills of the movie with captions.
Ayden Scott
I'm so tired of this cuckpanic. Just invent artificial wombs already so we can make people in factories and be done with this gross primitive travesty of reproduction.
Carter Cruz
Retard males do not breed, period. Never, fucking ever. This should be the most obvious thing ever.
Jackson Hughes
it was from an movie adaptation of a book by Houellebecq : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_(1999_film) the guy is a reactionary can't find it but here's a very close quote
Jackson Flores
Would be nice, but 99% of men make for awful traps. We'd need to start some sort of breeding program with only the most effete men, but that kind of defeats the point since traps are for receiving hot dickings and not for impregnating girls.
Tyler Reed
He didn't came up with that, but rather appropriated the position of a french marxist sociologist called Michel Clouscard.
Michael Edwards
Finally someone with some taste.
The only reason why I have had sex is because of gay shit
Jose Jenkins
who cares you don't need to procreate. Whether it's 4/1 or 17/1 or 1700/1 or 0/0.
oppose monogamy as a facet of opposing all relationships.
just imagine the fragile little mutt on the other side of this post. "y-you literally have no testosterone! s-sure the other kids beat me up, b-but at least i can imagine i have more hormones than you!" bet he wears glasses.
reproducing is losing tbh unless you're an absentee parent who bails on child support. if you want to win at life you need to get yourself in the history books.
i still want to regulate the flow of oxygen to your head with my hands.
FINALLY someone else talking sense. based onanist socialist
John Reed
Is that Puerto Rican kid even still alive? Haven't seen them since the hurricane.
Jonathan Kelly
Hopefully he's shitposting on the great imageboard in the sky now
Mason Flores
I can't find this movie anywhere on the internet
Colton Wood
8000 years ago was the stone age, the destruction of social institutions like marriage and the state would cause us to be like anprms in the OP
And nature is cruel. The female base sexuality is social darwinism. The male base sexuality is promiscuity.
Destruction of social institutions creates a social darwinian atmosphere. Like Tinder, but IRL and 500x times worse.
The MGTOW men, even though they have retarded politics, are probably foreshadowing something much larger, until we can build back the old institutions or build back ones that level the playing field
this could be done under socialism, capitalism etc… just depends on how it's implemented, but there needs to be a strong social contract, not a weak one
Kayden Mitchell
Men in the USA jerk off to what is, on the whole, essentially a classless society (the sort of constant Woodstock festival porn is essentially). Women, jerk off to the billionaire and make that fantasy the second highest selling book in the world, ever.
Houllebecq's various books offer ways out of this nightmare. In Atomized, the nudist resort in the Cap d'Agde offers sexual freedom for all who enter. Dutch, Scandinavians, and Germans can be trusted to enjoy a
Brody King
Comrade, we don't want any economic liberals around here, holy shit, the whole point of Communism is the real movement to abolish liberal economics.
Read a book. We're not liberals, we're socialists.
Xavier Taylor
So are you saying that guys are more sexually "progressive" than women?
Dominic Wilson
Point is women's base sexuality is social darwinist. Take that however you want.
Noah Reed
economic liberalism is just a euphamism for any economic politics to the left of liberal Democrats, stop parading your dumb fanaticism
Gabriel Flores
Gonna be honest, if you're unhappy about a lack of sexual partners, become a furry, let it make you gay, then just get with another gay furry male, tidy yourself up for your gay furry partner, and be happy for life with someone who wants to fuck all the time.
Daniel Sanchez
I should have said economically egalitarian with an anti-market stance, but the fiscal liberal vs fiscal conservative American thing was what I was referencing.
Jack Martin
ancom is code word for anprim
which is basically the stone age
Adam Moore
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Isaiah Fisher
lmao what
Jackson Harris
absolute heresy. Use this pic from now on jeez
Christopher Foster
These threads are going to make me catatonic, /leftylol/ can not keep its shit together when sex toots its silly ass clown horn, fuck me dead I hate this place sometimes.
Nicholas Wood
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Owen Ramirez
but im horny and frustrated, the 'free' market continues to cuck me day after day
Joshua Anderson
Ask your doctor about chemical castration.
Austin Allen
Don't worry, us egalitarians will regulate the sexual free market aka we will end lady's night
Sebastian Sanchez
Monogamy is literally why betas exist
Cameron Richardson
automatically put a sage in the email field plus a == Sage ==
Wyatt Edwards
Afroplasm hasn't been posting that heavily, and he's not exactly an SJW stereotype either he's just (LARPing as) black
Gavin Cruz
If the sexual free market were regulated, landwhales like vid related would be forced fuck their looks match.
