What are /leftpol/'s views on left media such as Vox, CNN, Huffington Post, and so on. Mostly wondering on thoughts of the Validity of these sources, maybe even mainstream media in general.
Recently defected from 4/pol/ and was curious, please don't throw me in the gulag
Media companies are simply producing a product for consumption. MSNBC isn't much different from Fox.
none of the outlets you listed are left; they're all liberal.
But to answer your question I think each should be taken with a grain of salt, even liberals can be right by accident.
they go up against the wall
Aren't Liberals left of center? Therefore left? Idk maybe I'm actually retarded
Jesus fucking Christ user. They aren't on the left, they support the status quo with added liberalism. Whenever shit hits the fan, you can guarantee that these people will be on the side of the status quo rather than the workers. As a matter of fact, this recently happened, with (if I remember right, that is) them pretending that the largest prison strike in US history, which was organised by socialists, was actually an anti-Trump strike. At best, they scrubbed any political underlyings from the equation and pretended it was just spontaneous violence.
FTFY. It is important to remember that Holla Forums and various other American far right reactionaries are still liberal. They are just retro liberals. Their version of liberalism was dominant up until the 1960s-70s.
Depends on how you define what the "center" of your political axis to be, however most marxists do not see liberals as left in any form, and for good reason.
Well I'm basically a centrist as it goes, both for social issues and economy issues. So the middle is me?
Yeah, this. I should have clarified. Most of the right wing is also liberal, as they support liberal economics almost 100% of the time, and liberal democracy nearly as much.
Don't know pretty much anything about them honestly except the outlet's owner pulled a "I usually support unions but not a Vox union!" thing
Corporate liberal capitalists
Depends a lot on the article's writer I think, I generally assume low quality when I see HuffPo tho
afaik we use liberal as the catch all term for the continuous support of the capitalist hegemony, fitting since they build all of it on the core concepts of liberalism (which we commies do support in a way under egalitarianism) but thus leads to contradictions such as wealth disparity, the starving, homelessness etc. they're completely blind to the real problems of said system lying through their teeth that we live in a free and just world.
How dare you insult capitalist enterpreneurs owning that media by making them leftist. They worked hard to own these brands, and some poor loser nobody that doesnt even have a million of wealth calls them names. All you can do is pretent you matter on some mongolian basket assembling forum, looosseeeeer.
Modern liberalism vs classical liberalism. They're all reactionaries in the end.
You're new here, so here's the political compass of Holla Forums.
left=/=liberal
see
Fake ass version, here's for the real deal
Outside burgerstan liberals are generally centrists.
Mate, there are people on here who would say that bernie isn't on the left.
Read Chomsky
He's a total social democrat tho.
So were is Sargon on that compass of yours?
I don't think he knows what his political ideology is either. He calls himself a classic liberal but almost every modern political ideology has the same fundamental beliefs that they do because monarchs are a thing of the past (outside of Saudi Arabia).
Wait I think I've jumped to a board to far left, cant go back to Holla Forums where go
I don't want to sound demeaning, but using yourself as the center of the political spectrum (although, arguably trying to form ideas into a spectrum by its own merit is kind of useless) is about a useful as supposing that the Earth is the center of our galaxy.
You suppose your beliefs are in the middle, but how are you sure you are in the middle if you do not know the full range of positions to be had? And then perhaps what is even more crazy is to even believe that there is necessarily a "middle" to all these beliefs, after all, an ideology is not the same as a point in space. You can't just average out two ideologies.
I digress. I want you to consider this: What you likely believe is the middle of all politic is in actuality the middle of what the status quo professes as acceptable political stances, but the status quo is not, and in fact cannot be a neutral ideological apparatus, so your "middle" will likely be skewed in one way or the other.
But this is true for everyone. This is why there might be some truth to what is saying, but just as easily it could be said that the reverse is true for some people at Holla Forums. Hence, I think this left/right is perhaps useful only as a lazy way to compare an idea to another, but only in a conversation where everyone as a basic understanding for the nuances between the ideas being discussed, because those are what really matter. That is to say, whether or not liberalism is in the interest of the common worker, is sustainable, or ethical, will not ultimately depend on how "left" or "right" liberalism is from some other brand, but what the ideology actually does.
Many people are socially liberal while fiscally conservative, or vice-versa.
reddit, they like socdems and capitalist apologists.
But where would you put him and why?
Go to >>>/liberty/
I actaully agree that it is reversed for the Holla Forumstards.
CNN isn't left, and if they ever were it's still a conundrum how all they have to do to maintain such a reputation in America at this point is criticize a man who wants to spend billions of dollars walling the country off from one of its allies and takes every chance he can to insult CNN itself for reporting things he's said.
Ariana Huffington was a conservative blowhard for a long time before "converting" to liberalism. She's rich, so it's not all that clear to me how this actually pans out - if it's just the idpol stuff or if she realized she could still screw proles without having to go full throttle.
In general, most major news sources (including Fox and my local CBS station who airs pro-Pizzagate stuff and Three Percenter PR pieces) are relatively reliable. They slip in propaganda from various social angles (and a single, pro-capitalist economic angle), but they almost never commit outright fraud - and when they do, it's often caught. Generally, the method works by mixing in the bullshit with mostly reliable stuff. It's something RT has yet to master (though I doubt they want to), though RT at least beats the old Russian model of the '90s and early '00s and hence has some really solid reporting.
I don't think he has any solid beliefs about anything because he switches stances every other week so I can't really place him anywhere.
I disagree, he's always has had beliefs he's been steadfast on.
Take freedom of speech for example, all the way back since he begung.
Can you give me an example of were he flip-flopped on?
That's just apart of classical liberalism that's universally agreed upon in almost every modern political ideology.
Not for communism.
Sargon is hilarious. Most of the time, the only people I encounter who bring him up are right-wingers who watch him and think he's the "good liberal" and use him to reinforce their ideal Overton window - that and LARPing "radicals" who used him as a strawman a few years ago to complain about liberals (who, in the modern sense, are conspicuously absent from Sargon's videos).
He uses "classical liberal" as a euphemism for right-libertarian, but now he's pretty much just "alt-lite." He knows who his audience is.
It depends on which specific communist ideology that you're talking about but my point is that the only I can say for certain regarding his ideology is that he is not a fascist or a ☭TANKIE☭.
Did you see the video of his compass test?
Can you give me an example of were he flip-flopped on?
Ew why would I go there
Also told me to go to plebbit, again why the actual fuck
Forgot I already used this picture but it's too accurate
It's been awhile since I've watched his videos so I'd have too rewatch them to point it specifics (I really don't want to watch his videos right now).
Ok, hope you have a good night then.
You too, dude.
Uh, how?
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Im on a few boards at the same time rn
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CNN is establishment Democrat generally, but have some reporters to the right of even them
MSNBC is mostly establishment democrat as well with a few people leaning toward social democracy. They're owned by Comcast though so nothing that goes beyond centrist.
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Got tired of posting the Patrick hook one so I made a new one.
Even this has some nitpicks to be nitpicked
lol
fuck off, anarchists are socialists or they aren't anarchists but lolbert scum
Thats not what it says.
Liberals, mainly neo-liberals, are what the US refers to as Libertarians, the dude weed what if the child consents tho kind, where as real Libertarians the kind that originated the word were anarchist socialists.
People in my country would laugh at the idea of liberals being left-wing, and liberals would be offended. This seems to be an American delusion.
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Yes, it's universally accepted definition in USA, but capitalist media are forcing that meme in all western countries.
Replace "communism" with "cultural marxism" and this would be more accurate
Correct.