Actual Kurd Here, Stop Fetishizing my People

Post proofs

No arguments whatsoever but meme reaction images. Children.

Yawn, if you're going to post Stirner, at least do it intelligently.

lol

Embarrassing post.

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But Kurdish militants are the one who decided to start experimenting with socialism to begin with, we didn't — and couldn't — have "pushed" anything on them.

Because the contradiction contained within your opening post was obvious enough to non-brainlets.

What contradiction? Still no arguments to be had.

hi where are the broofs

So are the PKK and over a dozen US military bases in Syria not real Kurds?

You rant on and on about "your people" and its supposedly traditional, mono-ethnic culture — and then somehow end up whining about nationalism as well. I can't help you if you don't find the contradiction to be more than obvious.

Socialism is a foreign, Western ideology and therefore is an imposition.

Such an imposition could only have occurred through the already destabilised nature of the region thanks to Western and Russian interference during the 20th century.

Not to mention the fact that nearly all of Öcalan's influences are Jews.

I don't bring this up due to some Anti-Semitism, rather, I bring it up to reveal how non-Kurdish this imposition is.

They are Kurds but the ideology they have chosen is NOT Kurdish. It is a Western imposition.

Yawn, you don't need Nationalism to be a unified people.

You will never understand because YOU are a dumb Westerner that only understands dumb Western ideological concepts and rabbit-holes.

well good thing its a multiethnic federal union with property subordinated to local municipal councils that some of our rooting for
although i doubt your actaully kurdish more likely your a ☭TANKIE☭ trying to get people to stop supporting over a dozen US military bases in Syria using liberal idpol

Well, for anything you said to be true. Kurdish culture as a particularity would have to exist as an essential form, with the imposition and creation of difference being accounted for by some outside force; however, this would suppose that you have an essential culture that exists pre-cognitively (as in it is non-ideological, the very base of natural development) which, given the conditions of the historical development of Kurdistan and its regional already speaks to a developmental historicity rather than an essential one. Thus, the maintenance of an abstract idea of a singular universal (that of an essential, authentic Kurdish existence) is not a question of cultural inherence but bad philosophy. Your state of being is transient, not permanent - fuck off, bud - you are apex ideology

I am Kurdish. There is a poster here who keeps asking for proof but I don't know how I would provide such proof.

Yawn, another moron stuck in philosophical terminology.

Even posted Zizek, the guy is constantly calling for 'Universalism' which is codeword for "Destroy your traditions".

I don't support Kurdish nationalist movement even if they pretend to be socialist.

KRG Identification, Passport (with blur), etc.

It won't matter either way, as your claim to an authentic Kurdish experience is bullshit

take a picture of the streets with a time stamp

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I am not living in Kurdistan currently.

He's probably a murican hurritage kurd

I am not American.

HOW FUNNY, that a Western Anglo thinks he has more legitimacy to speak about these issues than an ACTUAL fully ethnic Kurd who has lived in the region.

Really makes you think!

Stop attempting to experiment with my people, thanks.

The very idea of a "unified people" is a recent Western political-cultural construction inseparable from 18th-century nationalism.

we need another Saddam

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I don't bring it up due to Anti-Semitism. It's simply to reveal the fact these movements and ideologies are inherently anti-Kurdish.

So obviously someone like you is bait posting right? I mean, come on know, you don't expect to be taken seriously when you respond to a well thought out post like
with what you just produced?

You realize we can't call off socialism in kurdistan right? We aren'ts who forced them to do it. We just support their actions.

Pathetic

Apologies but even if your post was well-thought (which it probably was due to its length), it doesn't matter as it is more of the same philosophical pathology that is completely Western in origin and thus, bears no relevance to myself or my people.

It would be like attempting to speak Dog to a Cat.

Your "Diagnosis" is no diagnosis at all.

Uh, your welcome?? Why would I care about some kurds?
I give it 50%chance you're white, 25% chance you are a "kurd" by a "close" relative, 24.99% chance you are some ethnicity other than kurd, and a 0.01% chance you are a kurd. Also
Stop lying now, and enjoy getting Capitalized(as if you already weren't lmao). Finally
This is proof that you aren't a kurd, or you are possibly the dumbest individual of your ethnicity. Congrats!

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You support Imperialism.

Are you one of these brainlets that think Country of living or ""Nationality"" defines whether you really of that place?

LOL

Just another form of Western Imperialism. No doubt, you have a desire to """visit""" Kurdistan in the future, perhaps even obtain a passport and call yourself """Kurdish""".

hey kurd here, thanks for all the support Holla Forums we'll keep building socialism no worries

We love you, realkurd bro.

you still haven't proved your kurdish dipshit and when people give you suggestions of how to you conveniently have an excuse

This was never once stated anywhere in the thread.

Strawmanning, moron.

I am 100% Kurdish, born and raised there and can trace my family back with no non-kurd in our family tree.

Your idea of a united Kurdish identity that must be respected and defended against foreign inroads is precisely a western idea, it asserts a KANTIAN idea
Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm talking to an animal

Disgusting.

Supporting a people whose men are fleeing and require the young women to fight for their ideals.

Ideas cannot be "foreign", they are thought processes independent from geographical restraints; you could say they cease to be foreign as soon a someone somewhere in whatever community decides to engage with it.

I'm fairly sure we could quite easily point to some influences on "traditional" Kurdish culture that came from non-Kurds. Like how Kurds espoused Islam following the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, not because they are magically Islamic.

Islam is a foreign religion to Kurds and it too should be STAMPED out as quickly as possible.

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post proof faggot

PKK == Mossad

wtf i love turkey now

It really isn't.
Holla Forums is incapable of pushing socialism onto the kurds. You are implying that it is by telling us to stop pushing socialism to the kurds, which isn't happening. You are wrong whitey.
More like 100% turd hahahahah

No I don't.

Key word is "attempting", moron.

Another brainlet thrown in the trash.

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logical fallacies are a western invention.

There is no such thing as an ahistorical, monolithic "Kurdish" culture. Prove otherwise, faggot.

I am NOT a reactionary, I don't believe in "returning to the past" or a past mode of technology.

I do, however, believe that values which existed in the past that have been passed down ought to be maintained.

One of which is our festival every year, the Newroz, which existed before Islam.

Why do you care if they have only attempted and not succeeded? You can't argue to save your life, you stinky kurd! I'm getting bored of this thread. Say something other than "You are wrong lol", or people will leave.

hmmm, and yet a socialist revolutionary front, a democratic confederalist, and a benign regional government are the only expressions of Kurdish sovereignty. Sounds like you should be as mad at the Kurds for being "non-kurdish" as us, or was that just us intruding on your "organic community" again

This was NEVER suggested. Point to where I said there is Monolithic Kurdish culture?

I am against Monolithic cultures.

WHICH IS WHY, I CLEARLY STATED that I don't want Nationalism or a unified language.

Why does no one in this thread actually read what I say? Brainlets!

I am very angry indeed and don't worry, they TOO will stricken OUT.

The corrupt Barzani Capitalists and the Communists in Turkey will be STRICKEN OUT.

Does this mean I can tell reactionaries in the third world who point to America as a capitalist success story to stop fetishizing my people?

fam we don't care about your festivals, why the fuck would we want to attack it specifically

no fuck you i want revolution everywhere

yes!

Well Spooken

Then if it is not monolithic, how can you even refer to it as "Kurdish culture"…?

These traditions will NOT exist in your ideal socialist unified Kurdistan or its Capitalist equivalent.

Obsession with 'Economy' only leads to cultural decay. I only need to look at the West for evidence.

You're actually just promoting a Kurdish-tinted fascism, in a almost encyclopedic manner

Culture has many meanings and is very nuanced.

Stop attempting to create single definitions to words which apply in all cases. That is NOT how language works.

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God i cant fucking wait for Apoism to spread as rapidly as the old caliphate

I am NOT a Fascist. Fascism is also a FOREIGN Western imposition.

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Except for yours apparently, where any thought that conflicts or interrogates it is suddenly an irreconcilable antinomy. Much more suggestive of an essential, monistic idea of Kurdish culture than a pluralist one. Unless you're actually just a generic, particularity-obsessed liberal - at this point, no more of a surprise

you're a fascis t

What is "culture" then? Having a dance-off at a festival?

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Why would they not?

And so we will call it Faggotism, and being that it is congruent to fascism, the ideas are interchangeable. Would you prefer to be called a fascist or a faggotist?

Average American Socialist/Capitalist Experimenter

Pathetic!

I already explained why in the second sentence.

I am gonna find a Kurdish girlfriend now just because it will piss you off, thanks for the idea

When there is global Gommunism I will come to pee in gulag water.

Why do the jews support the PKK and over a dozen US military bases in Syria so much?

It is good that you refuse to be a Jewish pawn. Stay strong!

You'll need to be more detailed than that.

What lets you speak for everyone else that looks kinda like you and speaks the same language?

I am not a Fascist, morons.

Fascism is obsessed with the 'Economy' and believes in the State as being paramount.

I am not obsessed or supportive of either of these things.

You're just attempting to shut me down. American dorks!

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no

Oh go fucking cry about it.

How does economic literacy conflict with the celebration of local festivals?

t. Kurdish diaspora

They want to destabilise the Middle-East in order to upset Iran's capacity to form any allies.

Their actions have led to the deaths of my people and my own family. Any moron Socialist or Capitalist here who is confused with why I have some bias against Jews will not understand unless they have received a phone call to tell them their uncle was killed because of their Imperialist actions.

That being said, I cannot support your ideology (National Socialism) and my comments on Jews are not genetic or biological in nature.

All kikes go to the ovens

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If it becomes a PRODUCT or an economic VALUE or something to QUANTIFIED, it loses meaning.

YOU will NEVER understand because you grew up in the West and your traditions were STRIPPED from you and everything anything you do becomes an ECONOMIC activity and holds no meaning in itself.

YOU will NEVER understand and will CONTINUE to argue against me.

So literally feels > reels?

t. Teddy Adorno
a JEW

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This dichotomy is ALSO a Western concept.

Kurdish people don't think in these terms.

that is laughably wrong

I haven't read Adorno but if that is what he thought then he was RIGHT.

:)

so literally just feel's?

"pure Kurds" don't exist any more than pure Turks exist, this is literally a racist fabrication by a certain group within Kurds who pretty much believe they are Aryans and are butthurt that the diverse collective of people referred to as Turks actually include shittons of Kurds

You remember how Žižek talks about pure ideology? This is it, its paramount appearance

JUST how it IS. It just IS. Not feels, not reals, JUST IS.

Are you done embarrassing yourself yet?

So what you're saying is that the Kurds are too retarded to even understand dichotomy?

No one believes there is such a thing as "pure" Kurds.

Obsession with Genetics is a WESTERN concept.

jesus christ this is fun

We're hitting levels of ideology that shoudn't be even possible

Yes, Zizek, the Universalist, reluctant Communist talks about "ideology"

LMAO

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You tell them brother!
I bet they breath air too
real kurds only breath sand
AIR IS A WESTERN CONCEPT!!!!!!

Hold on! You can't understand Žižek, he's NOT KURDISH! Stop intruding on our philosophical heritage, fascist imperialist

Strawman, LOL

Woops, that's another WESTERN idea friendo.

You're RIGHT. I don't believe in Logical Fallacies.

Thanks!

You're right, I strawmanned that you understood Žižek, my mistake

FUCK OFF DIRTY IMPERIALIST
I adhere to only the best kurdish philosophy of fucking mountain goats, the true dialectual path to enlightenment!!!!!

t. Guy who gets off watching Erdogan fuck his wife

LMAO
understanding things is western, any truuuu Kurdish man judges his knowledge on how close he can get his mouth to his cock

DIALECTICS, OH I AM BEATEN AT MY OWN GAME!
Why live?

gotchu huyite boiiiii lolll

Funny to watch all the Westerners sperg out in this thread, not replying to ANY posts.

Very passive-aggressive and only reveals their feeble mental capacity.

I win again, thanks for playing!

fucking lel

There are not enough reaction faces on the Internet to convey what i'm feeling right now

We have been PLAYED! Never before have I been so aroused by superior cultural harmony

Right on brother!
we showed those low I*Q weasterners whos the tru master race, now lets get back to having our shit pushed in by daddy Saddam

t. Guy who grew up with a single mother in a Western Capitalism country and can't understand why he's depressed 80% of the time

Hmmmmmmm, I wonder!

Shit guys
looks like he totally got us
aww shucks

Embarrassing lol

commies btfo

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What have you won where? A federated Syria is about to be achieves and theres nothing the Turks, Assad, Daesh, or dumbasses at the KRG can do about it, social ecology is the Marxist Leninism of the 21st century, but this time the workers will win

Is Ala Kareem a true kurd? Asking for a friend.

Aw shit, guess we've gotta pack up all those red flags now.. COME ON GUYS WE'RE CALLING COMMUNISM OFF!

but, seriousness is weastern user kun :3

t. Akam Davidson

its too late, we've infected Kurdistan so badly that it's not even Kurdish anymore.

Very true, irony bro isms are the highest kursish tradition

Capitalism is a global economic system of exploitation. Communism (as an ideal) is mearly the response to capitalism so it's scope cannot be restricted to any one region.

This is just some kurd Holla Forumsack having a meltdown. probably just a kurd in ethnicity only, which makes it even more pathetic. He's just threatened there are Apoists here. No fetishization happening here.

Serious material historicity is F O R E I G N

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Mate im a nationalist and im saying that youre historically illiterate by willful compulsion and acting like a retard.

Also if your strong "culture" is being destroyed by itself then shit, its the same thing as anuddah shoah because some white chick married a black dude, which means that your culture is fucking pathetic

T. not a burger or west european

Do you also not believe in logic because it has its origin in Greek philosophy, A WESTERN civilization?

Ha! Another asshurt American cultural imperialist, have any arguments to make? bud, I'm poking fun at OP

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lamo

HOW INTERESTING that this board SILENCES an actual Kurdish opinion and lies to the moderators claiming that this thread is bait JUST BECAUSE it disagrees with your opinion.

Death to ALL Communists/Socialists/Capitalists!

Death to the obsession with Economy!

Death to Modernity!

Reflection is a western dubversive tactic, Kurds are actually invidible in the mirror and turn into bats at will to seduce Wahhabist women

Economy is the thing that permits communities and nations to fend for themselves, be it in a basis of money, barter, obligations, etc. You are an idiot

Nah we're just laughing at you so loud no one can hear you

What form of social organization do you advocate for? I need theory if this conversation can go anywhere

Death to everything

MAYBE YOU DO seeing as you believe that ALL life is worthwhile and seek to form a system in which ALL life can thrive.

Death to Over-Population!

Nice try, friendo but Dozens of reports were filed to the mods.

That's your problem!

Ok, we'll stop fetishising you, but we'll still enforce proletarian internationalism and leftism

Those are the no fun fags who just want pure theory, same thing happens everywhere. And fucking post all your replies in one post you uneducated monkey, it looks like shit when you don't.

wtf I'm a traditionalist again!

NO THEORY KURD GANG UNITE

if you don't want a monolithic "Kurdish" culture then why are you so quick to cast out anything that doesn't fit your notions of "Kurdish-ness"?

You're 100% correct. Western leftists in this thread are being imperialist faggots, and are mad cause you won't let them stick their dicks in the movement kurds created for their own liberation, NOT for the benefit of brainlets on leftypol.

You don't owe them anything or even an explanation of why their "universalist" theories are not welcome. Fuck them honestly.

READING IS HOMOSEX

no, that can't be, he was western.

wow OP, not like I haven't heard this one before

I don't fetishise the Kurds. I jerk to pic related and DemConFed.

Wew what the fuck happened here

I haven't seen this much ideology here in ages.
Read a fucking book.

is fanfiction westren

$20 says this is some butthurt ☭TANKIE☭.

t. Iraqi Kurd

here is exmaple OP please read nad rievieww and tell if it is western

NEW JUSTIEC LEAGUE: EPISOD 1
IT was 3 years sicne death of old justice league. 3 year ago superman ptsd flashback from doomsday fight so he kill everyone with laser eyes except batman because batman had plan. So batman gather NEW JUSTICE LEAGUE and relocate hq to depp under subway tunnels and homeless of RICHMOND VIRGINIA. "The new justice league meeting will now come to order" say batman as he hit bat gavel on round table. "LUCIOUS FOX, you have report of technology" and lusicous fox stand up adjust bow tie. "Thank you, I have install new crime alarm in all of city, but I cannot abide! This is past ethics of crimefighter and having too much power for one man!" say luscious fox and batman say "I do not pay you for your procrastinations and sob stories!" and he move on to next item on agenda. tony stark say "Bentman, who is news today?" and batman say "We get message from most threatining of enemies!" and play message on screen. JASON TODD who was NEW GREN LANTARN say "What is message from and who is message!?" with nervousness of anxiety, because he know that there was danger coming soon. On screen was menace face of BIG BASS. "Hello Justice Friends, I ham Big Boss! Outer Heaven will kill you and there will be nothing to stop war and metal gears!" say big boss with evil and greed of intent and message end. "NO!!!" say Robocop as he pound fist in anger. "This cannot be happen in thime!" he add. Batman turn to fox and narrow eyes. "Get me Snake." he say.

SNAKE was in alaska cabin have diet of vodka and ice cream. Snake watch wolf blitzer report on MSCNN in underwear while try call meryl. "Meryl, I ham sorr htat break up your heart, ples forogive me in ot hte take int harms again!" he say but it was voice meail so he not get answer. SNAKE keep drink and eat tub of EDY'S MINT CHOCOALTE CHIP while go to WWW.EDYS.COM to orer SPECIAL EDYS SALE of ROAUGUST CKY ROAD REESE'S SNICKERS MINT. Snake then call otacon nad say "otacon why dont you call me anymore" and otacon say "Snake I am at job" and nsake say "okay get more beer" and oitacon say "No snake, that is too much beert for one man!" "Fuck youuuu" say snake hang up. THEN KNICK ON DOOR. "What is this intruding" say snbake and snake put on velveteen smoking bathrobe. COLONEL KRAMBELL stand there say "Snake, the superfriends are need us again!" and snake say "No, I ahve retire from life of fast sneak and faster murder." "Snake this is no time for mastications and tears of traumatics, BIG BOSS is return!" "BIG BOOSS!!" say snake with rage of anger. "If you do not do it, replacement will!" and he introduce snake to SOLID RICK who was big muscle man in sneak suit with more muscles than snake and red hair that was big like vegeta. "Nice to meet you snake, you are old and busted@" say rick. "No rookie can stand up in all their greenhorn against the big terror of boss!" say snake and snake light cigeratte with resentments of anger. "Give me 20 minutes." he say.
UED?

MEANWHILE RONI MAN WHO WAS actual toby sntark deal with alcohol of own problems. RUST COHLE say to tony sdtark "Fucking hell tony stop drinking all of my colt 45" but tony did not care. BUT MEAN WHILE IN BATCAVE THIS WAS NOT OWRRYING because alfred enjoy time off enjoy rich colombian wine while savor ravel bolero in left hand for G minor. BATEMAN call Alferd and say "Alfred, it is time! Contact all collaborart nad partner ni justiec!" "yes sir" say aflred and he contact all possible contacts in contact netowrk of justce.
MEANWHILE Robocop nad pepper potts were in closet together. "Robotcop, tony stark has become drunkard of losing, he ignore me and cannot fulfill my needs! Alcohol has taken away tony I once know." and Robocop say "Donot worry pepper patts I will always take care of you." "Robcoop, make love to me! say pepper ots. ROBOCOP FINGERTIPS OPEN and he spray sensual oiling of massage all over pepper potts face. "Robocop, you will always be man to me" say pepper. Robocop then open gun compartment and take out secret dildo. "This dildo wireless transmit penis sensation to cyborg brain" say robocop and robocop attach penis to gun so his gun was now vibrator dildo sex drill. "Oh baby" say pepper potts. IRON MAN open closert4 and see tableau of passiens. "No, pepper! Why!?" and pepper say "Because you are fool who destroy lives and dreams!" and she backhand tony stank.

MEANWHILE Americas Sweetheart raven simone was paitning nails for fathers day. "raven get down here" say secret biological father bill cosby. "coming father" and she step down stairs with present. "I bought you your FAVORITE BLKACK AND DECKER" and cosby was happy with woop. But then tehre was knock and it was big boss! "B-big boss sama!" say cosby with fearfulness of knowing. "You've had your last kodak memory!" say big boss and big boss punch cosby and cosby die. "ON" say raven and big boss troops take raven and put her in box and drive away. "Raven my queen, what plans I have for you!" say boug bos.

LATER Big Boss was keep Raven Simone in OBGYN Dungeon in outer heaven gynecology clinic. "Unhand me from stirrups or face consequences of law!" say raven. "Ahahaha I not feared of your pwoerverful firneds!" laiughj big boss. Big Boss puff cigar and look up to guards above. "LOAD THE SACRIFICES!" Yell big boss and floor panel open to reveal THE GREAT GRINDER and guards unload 100 nubile virgins (of all genders beucause I ham not sexits) into the pit. Pentagram of dark light appears on raven simon stomeach ans raven say "what witchcraftery!" say raven simone wiht exlclamations. GREAT SUBNUCLEAR SPACE-TIME VORTEX form in raven womb and great winds of vaginal vacuum turbulence form in great chamber. BIG BOSS DISROBE and say "Boss, I am won! My FINAL TIME FORM is at hand!" and Big Boss laugh with evil as he horizontal dive into raven vagina as vortex suck him in to infinitesimal gestation point with spaghettifiying of black hole sucking.

RUST CHOLE and MARTY HARRELSON was is at Justiec league break room. "Shit fucking keurig brewers are for fattogs who can't brew" say rust and marty say "rust, sthup up."
RUST COHEL see crime alarm go down. "The crume alarm go down, now it is time~!"
Rust col and marty pull levelr go down chute up with antigravity to the MARTY AND RUST CRIME GLIDERS.
Marty go to glider but rist finish ber forst
RUST then drunken master hang gliding and marty say "That is too danger for airspace handle above city, there are NEWS CHOPPERS and SIGHTSEEIGN!"
"Man fuck the news" say rust and rust charge mouth acid spray he get when he kill carcosa and eat carcosa heart to gain carcosa powers
CRIMINALS MELT and Rust say "it looks like your only crime payday is MELTING WITH BURN"
Narty say "God damn it rust, acid is too risky for population area~!"
So they fly back to justiice dock where dcock secret glidres and rust seed iron man
"Oh hi tony" say marty but tony say "rust, you enable robotcop to hump and whore as he please with your talk iof sexual libatings! But my revenge is soon" say tony and tony make call to WARS MACINE to indict rust on false of charge
TO BE CONTIN

Bane?

helo liftpol i am real qurd belive me we qurd dont like gomunizm

t. totally not some turk or iranian kid pretending to be kurd online to capitalize off "place of speech"

I doubt chan sites are legal in iran, unlike pirating anime, chan sites would be ideologically subversive to the islamic revolution

Surprised that such obvious Holla Forums bait got this many replies.

is it tho?

Ignoring the trolls is passe, taking the bait seriously and making agood point is the only way to get constructive dialig going in hyperreal geohell

Nice job kicking two world superpowers in the nuts, though. Respect.

roach

as if a kid with a proxy couldn't post here

I'll wager $30 it's Body Oder xerself

Kurd here and I would say that I agree with certain points here, I consider the constant fetishization of Kurds rather disgusting and the concept of nationalism as well, I would not agree with you on the topic of removing Islam though as I am an Islamist you yourself should do a bit of research on this topic as well.

How would socialism commodify something?
If anything, it would lead people to develop more culturally as the virus of capital wouldn't be infecting every aspect of society.