Questions For "Real" Socialists

Whenever I point out someone who I believe is left wing, you guys tell me he isn't. So my question is can you be left wing and also hate communism and socialism?
If so, can you point to someone alive who fits this category?
If not, can you tell me why you have to be a socialist to be left wing?

this is the dumbest shit i've ever heard, kill yourself.

Tell us who you're talking about.

No.


Because the left is an emancipatory struggle, aiming to realize human freedom and individualism; those who are against Socialism are against the realization of this freedom, as they oppose the movement which aims and organizes for the overthrow of the mode of production which prevents freedom: capitalism.

Hell no. If you oppose socialism, you are automatically right wing.

Right and left originated during the French Revolution. The right wanted to preserve the monarchy while the left wanted to abolish it. Today, to be left wing, you have to want to abolish the current system (capitalism). You cannot be left wing if you want to preserve capitalism.

The Justin Trudeau for example.
What do you think about D.N. Pritt and Konni Zilliacus, were they left wing?

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YES, YOU CAN

If you don't know why Trudeau isn't left then there's no helping you.

Did you even read my fucking post? 'Left' and 'right' came from the events of the French Revolution, not from America's two party system.

Sure but you are only leftwing by capitalist narratives. To sound less cultish, you are only leftwing by accept cultural norms of left and right.
Liberals like you
If you seperate left and right wing by being "progressive" and "conservative", liberals campaign for Capitalism just like conservatives do, and are thusly economically right when comparing socialism and capitalism. They are for keeping the current system or conserving it. Since this is a socialist board, this view point is the predominant one. It doesn't help that socialist viewpoints have been purposely clipped from the left to make it seem "outside" of reality, when it is in fact the ghost that haunts bourgeois economics.

The left is defined by socialism, if you oppose it you are not left wing. That's like saying a Muslim who doesn't consider Christians "true" is being fallacious.

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What do you think about D.N. Pritt and Konni Zilliacus, were they left wing?

Supporting Keynesian stimulus programs branded as 'social welfare' doesn't make you a communist, sorry.

They supported socialism and were very sympathetic to communist figures. I'd say yes.

I was told by a guy on /marx/ that they weren't commies.

Probably.
Maybe.

Left and full on communists are not bound up 100%
DemSuccs are left, but not communist.

If you were on /Marx then he probably meant they weren't Marxist, Anarchists are leftists too but they're not Marxists.

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I'd agree with that, not communist but sympathizers, so probably mildly left wing.

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Technically, yes, if you are a special snowflake with your own ideology.
If you condone capitalism, you are a rightist. Period.

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what does left mean for you OP, Because it is a completely degraded term with no consensual definition.
I find it a pretty useless term tbh sorting things in left/right is retarded just like political compasses.

Trudeau supports capitalism… therefore right wing

examples?
I dunno about outright hatred of socialism, but Anarkiddies and Tankys both consider themselves socialist (or working towards socialism if not there yet) and hate each other's guts because Catalonia

No.
"Left" and "right" wings come from the Socalist Party as it existed in America a century ago. Ignore the claptrap about the terms originating during the French Revolution.

Elaborate

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this tbqfhysfscwdieb

The left wing of the Socialist Party was concerned with urban workers and the right wing was agrarian. Many socialist parties are said to have left and right wings. The concept that somehow the entire US government has left and right wings is either bullshit or proof that it secretly operates as a one-party government.

Hate would be a strong word. The more left-leaning social democrats are skeptical of it, but not necessarily hostile toward at least some forms of socialism. The people you're referring to as left-wing that 'hate' socialism/communism are usually centrists (progressive liberals) or people that lean to the center-right (democrats).

jej, saved

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Lol

Wrong, brainlet. Being against capitalism and being pro-socialist is the definition of leftism.

Finally, someone understands this meme.

I mean theoretically you could but it would probably be highly historical and contextual.
(i.e. being on the right of the Labour party during the 1960s, where the historical period and forces directed things towards Social Democracy.)
Note however that you quite-probably consider massive nationalised industry and a strong welfare state to be 'socialist' while these social democratic preferences would be my baseline.

Arguably Christian Democrats (while falling on the 'right' of that historical period's political spectrum) would be the closest synthesis since the 'true' social democratic economics of Christian democracy would be unspeakably left-wing by modern standards.


Read your own example (which you've got cropped because you're a dummy), dummy.

'No true Scotsman' didn't arise when Angus said Scotsmen don't put sugar on their porridge: It arose when Angus revised his initial claim in the face of new evidence to declare that Lachlan wasn't a true Scotsman. That's why it's called the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy and not the 'You can't categorize anything whatsoever because definitions are completely arbitrary lol' fallacy.

Trudeau has just continued almost all of Harper’s economic policies and covered them up with social liberal or at most milquetoast SocDem rhetoric. Stop buying into the window dressing and actually look at people’s policies.

That's not how it works, the Chad is supposed to be objectively correct, showing his power over the lowly virgin.

socdems are entry level left and anything right from them is right winged so that makes liberals your mistake.

Just came here to sage.