I'm a pacifist, you dont like that? Fight me(I'll turn the other cheek)

I'm a pacifist, you dont like that? Fight me(I'll turn the other cheek)

Anyway, is communism compatible with pacifism, or am I enemy of the revolution if I'm not going to pick up a gun? I know ML say that it is necessary for the revolution to be violent, but does it though?

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Everyone says that you dumb faggot. I hope this is a false flag.

If you socialism you're good in my books.

being a pacifist doesn't mean you wouldn't take a side, or be drafted into one, if le great commie LARP revolution were ever to happen.

So human life is a spook? Shouldnt we all just kill ourselves at the workplace as a demonstration then?

I think that means of production belong to the workers, yes.

Good enough for me comrade.

A quick glance at a history book will tell you that there is nothing sacred about human life.

The capitalists that control the planet are all about using ideologies like pacifism I order to suppress resistance in order to achieve transcendence and living forever and the secrets of the universe and they want to know all this; some are good, some are bad, some are mixed. But, the good ones don’t ever want to organise, the bad instead are the ones that organise, because they lust after power.

Powerful consciences don’t want to dominate other people, they want to empower them, so they don’t tend to get together until things are really late in the game, then they come together. Evil is always defeated, because good is so much stronger. And, we’re on this planet and Einstein’s physics showed it, Maxwell’s physics showed it, all of it, that there is at least twelve dimensions, and now that’s why all the top scientist and billionaires are coming out saying it’s a false hologram, it is artificial.
The computers are scanning it and finding tensions points where it is artificially projected and gravity is bleeding in to this universe, that’s what they call dark matter.

So, we’re like a thought or a dream that’s like a wisp in some computer program, some god’s mind, whatever. They’re proving it all, it’s all coming out.
Now, there’s like this sub transmission zone below the third dimension that’s just turned over the most horrible things, which is what it resonates to, and it’s trying to get up into the third dimension, that’s just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels. And our species is already way up to the fifth, sixth dimension consciously, our best people. But there is this big war trying to like, basically destroy humanity, because humanity has free will, and there is a decision to which level we want to go to.
We have free will, so evils will have to contend, not just good. And the Elites themselves believe they’re racing, using human technology to try to take our best minds, and build some type of breakaway civilization where they’re going to merge with machines, transcend and break away from the failed species that is man, which is kind of like a false transmission because they’re thinking what they are as ugly and bad, projecting on to themselves instead of believing, no it’s a human test about building us up, and so, Google set up eighteen, nineteen years ago.

If I was forcefully drafted by my state, I probably wouldnt feel too bad shooting as many state cucks in the back as I could before being stopped, but I wouldnt join a violent revolution willfully.
I would help non-violent aspects of the revolution though, organizing strikes and sabotage and what-not.

No, the bourgeoisie will not turn over the means of production willingly. Remember that fascism is capitalism in decay, and the bourgs ALWAYS turn to fascism before they allow socialism to take hold. A slave cannot free himself from slavery by appealing to his master's sense of humanity. In order to get rid of the gun, it is necessary to take up the gun, etc.
As long as you do not frustrate our efforts and become a counter-revolutionary then there's nothing wrong with you. I suppose you could serve as an auxiliary, if you're not willing to fight, you could become a medic to help our comrades.

You don't have to shoot people to be a Revolutionist. If you don't personally want to harm others, that's fine. If you expect and believe that the revolution be non-violent, then you're engaging in wishful thinking. There's no reason why after all the suffering and violence the ruling class has caused for hundreds of years that they will finally decide there's been enough.

Stay an idealist user, there's too many edgy cynics with a violence fetish here already.

It depends on who you ask, and how you define "pacifism" tbh. If your pacifism only requires you to practice non-violence for yourself (i.e. It's ok to allow others to be violent) then absolutely. If your pacifism requires you to actively prevent violence whenever you encounter it then it's a little more questionable, but since capitalism currently utilizes violence to maintain it's predominance I'd say that it's equivocal either way tbh

Exactly this. There is nothing wrong with you being a pacifist, just don't expect us to be pacifists as well.

If you personally choose to not participate in violence, but understand why we DO have the need for violence then I'm cool. Everyone has a role to play, and it doesn't have to be violent. For example, my gf is a anarcho-pacifist and she participated in some riots but instead of throwing bricks she administered first-aid.

HOWEVER. There is absolutely NO merit in being a pacifist unless you consider being more easily vulnerable to those more willing to use force and I hope that there will never be a time that anyone or anything is depending on you that requires it because if you stick to your bullshit, you can only stand to fail.

Yeah I guess. What I really liked about Mao's revolution was that they let the Kuomingtang soldiers surrender, and they took good care of them and converted a whole bunch in the process.
As long as there is that kind of humane element with the revolution and comrades arent just running around looking for vengeance, then the amount of violence is pretty much determined by the anti-revolutionaries instead of our side, in which case I suppose I can wholly accept it.

No. DO NOT encourage this behavior. It is more desturbing that OP is not ok with the idea of being willing to do whatever is necessary to achieve freedom than the idea of pacifism itself.

It is NOT about senseless brutality, or excess violence for the sake of violence. These things may occur, but academically and in reality no communist should advocate for it explicitly. Even in magnitude of deaths should it be measured in whether or not it pushes us closer to our goal. To bring morals and revenge will only lead to unnecessary suffering

To quote Robespierre, "terror without virtue is murderous, virture without terror is impotent." It is important like you said to acknowledge when and why should one use non-violence as well. It's all a matter of strategy.

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What is the story behind this pic? I know its Alex Jones on JRE but why the hell is it photoshopped like that??

No clue, I found it posted here a few months ago. If I had to guess it's because jre used to have a running joke that we are living in a simulation and the aliens running the simulation are Asians.

I think it's from that faceapp thing people use to modify their facial features in silly ways. This filter appears to have made them Asian.

Maybe his idea of whatever is necessary is being committed to the importance of human life. People like him are necessary to remind us that sometimes the ends don't justify the means.

I recognized Alex but I didn't even notice it was photoshopped.

Pacifists have no sense of dignity. After proudly declaring that you can rape and kill him as far as he cares he tries to claim the moral high ground. How disgusting the person who welcomes harm.

I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global, I reject absolutely: Revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.
I love you comrade.

…are we talking an active, engaged pacifism or a "no, stop, no one should do anything" pacifism?

I tend myself towards a non-absolutist strain of pacifism, simply because suppression does not address the conditions which cause things to arise. It's a hella fucking paramilitary pacifism, however, where you keep shit on lockdown, find the shit before it gets critical, and create different material conditions.

…pacifism-as-sabotage is as common as violence-as-sabotage, however. So, which way are we going?

Pacifism aimed against unjust capitalist wars? Sure, why not.

Pacifism in general? No. class struggle is an armed one.

Disgusting. youtube.com/watch?v=hg7qdowoemo

The way I see it, when armed people shoot each other, it's sort of a consensual thing. I'm not going to take part of that savage ritual, but I'm not going to stop armed revolutionaries from shooting armed anti-revolutionaries. I would protest if I saw a revolutionary kill or even beat up an unarmed and surrendered anti-revolutionary though, no matter how bourgeoisie the person might have been. They should deserve a second chance if they are willing to swallow the bread-pill.

I would help the revolution in my own non-violent way as long as there was policy of no killing of unarmed and surrendered people. Im completely unspooked by property, so I can sabotage the enemy property all day every day without any moral dilemma.

Marx thought it obvious that the revolution would be violent, pointing to every other revolution in history.

Ghandi was overrated, MLK didnt change shit the Black Panthers had to do all the work, even then all that happened was capitalists absorbed blacks into the working class and made even more profts; we need something like pic related but for MLK.
Wow user, that's pretty gay.

Can we please stop with this antisemitic trope please? You really think that less than 2% of the population can dominate global industries and banking?

Nowhere did he mention jews…

People who espouse pacifism are usually religious or are otherwise preoccupied with personal virtue.If you believe not only in heaven but that God wants you to be a pacifist for some reason then it makes sense. Otherwise there's no reason not to believe sometimes violence is worth it.

It doesn't matter if you successfully consider yourself above the fray and never fight anyone. It matters what you achieve in helping the oppressed and fighting evil, and it's no use appealing to an evil person's compassion


No political ideology or category is compatible with pascifism because reality is incompatible with pascifism.

No wonder Holla Forums loves him, this retard is just like them and somehow managed to get himself persecuted in a country where it's basically open season on Muslims most of the time.

no we need violent nuclear war to eradicate capitalism

Protip: if you are a pacifist, you should support violently overthrowing the booj. They're the most violent people on earth.
You gotta break the eggs etc.

I'd say you're decently mainstream and perfectly welcome.

Also, destroying infrastructure is generally a far more effective means of warfare, anyway. For those that don't share your conviction, the guns are just a means of self-defense in the course of this.

Why does it matter if you don't like violence? It isn't about that. The whole point of Marxism is that no matter if you wish for it or not, violence is inevitable and is born from the roots of society's structure.

eh, why's it matter OP? Given our current trajectory under capitalism, the planet will be uninhabitable and we'll all be dead anyway
Why fight and waste your precious life when death is the only guarantee in life?

Scott Nearing is someone who comes to mind when I think about Pacifist Socialism. He did support the USSR however then Hoxha's Albania. My guess is that he knew that these nations had to defend their people from the threat of Capitalist invasion but he as an individual was a pacifist. I'll have to read more on him and his teachings.

Well as we're ages away from any sort of socialist rebellion, you can have the luxury of being a socialist pacifist. In practice, however, they ought to be mutually exclusive. No one but psychos actually enjoy war (and revolution is war), but it is a necessary evil, a burden if you will, if the oppressed are to be rid of the oppressors.