So corporate liberals are constantly talking about "Russia hacked our election guys, XD!" And it's becoming a way to deny progressive ideas.
I can believe that there was lots of misconduct but now everything that's anti-Hillary is now Russia.
How do I argue against this shit? When arguing I used WikiLeaks as a source and was told "WikiLeaks is Russian propaganda!" Everything that isn't WaPo or NYT is now "Russia!"
I've never hated Liberals more in my life.
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tbh WikiLeaks are sort of Putin shills, so I would argue it's legitimate to dismiss them regarding this issue.
Remind them that the CIA is an agency literally founded on deception and lied about WMDs in Iraq, and then show them the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity analysis put together by Bill Binney making a strong, conclusive argument that the DNC leaks were leaks and the speed at which they were retrieved from a central server means they could not possibly have been obtained by a trans-Atlantic hack.
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Bill Binney, of course, being one of the more notable whistleblowers before Snowden to blow the whistle on the NSA's mass surveillance program and illegal spying on civilians. Like all whistleblowers, he was prosecuted by the Obama administration over flimsy premises in the Espionage Act.
Oh you would? Don't keep up in suspense user, provide your argument.
Herp, disregard that. Had him confused with Thomas Drake. Binney was a whistleblower during the Bush administration.
Glenn Greenwald is a light in the darkness.
The bourg-media will never talk about real issues, you know that right. Even my liberal friends are sick of it. Other than the weather, I never watch the news anymore
I'd point out that even if the Russian hacking thing is true, all they did was reveal the truth.
Also, point out that Hillary and the DNC also got dirt on Trump from the Russians.
Though, for the people really into the Russian thing, I don't think you can convince them because it isn't rational, it's a coping mechanism. The election of Trump completely debunks both liberal centrist politics and the Democrat variant of civic nationalism. The way to get around this is by saying that the election was fraudulent, the result of outside influence.
Also, the typical response of any bourgeois state to political crisis (and in many ways the person of Trump is a barely contained political crisis) is to double down on nationalist rhatoric, hence all the saber rattling. Naturally, in a time like this, the whole establishment is calling for us to stand strong against the Great Enemy, but unfortunately for them, they can't agree on just who the Great Enemy is. For the libs, it's Russia.
It's not, see
There was no hack.
What I'm getting at is that they're wrong both ways.
You can say that there was no hack, but the knee jerk response is that this is Russian propaganda. I think a better way to get to them, if you can get to them at all, is to entertain their claim, but point out that it still doesn't change anything.