What was the SJW? Serious question...

hey that's a surprisingly good summation of why i'm a hermit. very good post.

i would however note that in part
is a discussion-al question. "we don't want to talk about it, it's not interesting" or perhaps "everyone else is talking about it, we're bored"
in a very tenuous part i would say it's the reason /vr/ was also one of the better boards on 4chan, because it takes you back to the pre-internet age culture and people just want to discuss static old media rather than deal with the ever-changing present. (i say tenuous because the individuals posting are still the same, and undoubtedly it will come to pass that discussion will spiral into present-day arguments, or more historical political arguments with present day relevance.)


It's worth noting that on the other side of SJWs you basically have and have had the tabloid press for a long time. The Daily Mail is basically just right-wing "SJWism" (in terms of structure, not surface content) for 40 something women. perhaps most notable is also the flexibility of language to mislead. one person on twitter dislikes a politician's speech? headline: OUTRAGE at politician's speech.


i'm increasingly re-convinced that "human nature" far from being an argument for a market economy is the strongest argument against it: by exploiting "human nature" you can get people trapped in skinner boxes. only through abstract planning against that nature (essentially, creating new structures to steer people in the ways we "know are good" rather than the ways we instinctively want) can you actually build a "good society", and for structural reasons this shouldn't lead to significantly lower net happiness.
(i partially base this on, say, an idea about stimulation - if you grow up with the modern internet for example, you might expect constant stimulation, but were the central planners to take it away then the next generation would grow up with a lower baseline - say TV, or even books - and because the baseline is lower, the lower gross stimulation isn't a problem, people are just as "stimulated" in meaningful terms, but have more time to think, etc.)


i think it's also notable that internet communities seem to inherently breed shitposting almost as a pavlovian response. (i mean, i do it, i know i do it, i still do it. i don't particularly enjoy it although sometimes at high velocities it can be fun, trying to think of an inane reply in a microsecond and then post it before the crazy-train has gone further off the rails.) i mean, there are all sorts of reasons "at a distance" it has appeal - disavowed action, the ability to say everything you don't mean, or simply to pattern-match - but structurally it seems encouraged that "everyone" does it.


i think a problem with fandoms is also that we've hit a sort of critical mass, which i will lazily tie into my autistic obsession with full employment.
up until quite recently there was a good possibility that you could contribute something to the understanding of a fandom - i.e. in a game, you might notice a secret that nobody else did, or you might notice a more mundane piece of lore and be the person to post this. it was easily possible for everyone to have a "job" and contribute actual knowledge/content to the fandom. as the supply of fans increased much faster than the supply of content, we now have a situation where that isn't the case. within a day, all secrets in a game will be known, before release the entire plot will have been figured out on reddit, etc. so there's no "role" for individuals there anymore. this is particularly bad for older, dead series, where the "previous generation" discovered everything and now all the new generation can do is compete over their own knowledge of the "facts" rather than set out to discover those facts themselves. in fandom terms, they are unemployed and watching jeremy kyle.

this is a very good point
and on this, i must confess to a disgraceful line of thinking - but one i have to wonder if others share. it goes as follows: "i am tired of this discussion, i no longer wish to argue, i knew i would never convince this individual but i have said all that needs to be said. nonetheless, i will string him along longer - because i know his time is more valuable to him than mine is to me."
now sometimes this is true, i type 5 words, he types 5 paragraphs. other times, we're talking a much lower ratio, perhaps 1:1.

i also wonder if other posters often use imageboards just as a way of organising their own thoughts, like a less structured essay prompt, rather than actually soliciting discussion. (in these circumstances, i am of course doing both - but sometimes it's purely one or the other. usually, "arguments" are prompts and discussions remain discussions. so a thread like this has scope for new knowledge.)

that picture doesn't have enough labels

You are absolutely correct, but I wouldn't call modern social media "the present". They're not the matrix. They're just one increasingly irritating aspect of our lives.

And Donald Trump's election is actually a testament to their pariah status if anything. Donald Trump is not a social media figure. He's a reality show figure who ran a fairly traditional media reality show campaign. He didn't even win because people liked him. He won because he was less repulsive than the pro-Hillary social media bubble. We bitch about idpolers because it's that repulsiveness that the left needs to shake off to start winning the important (i.e. non-social-media) fights.

Trump won because he appealed to multiple milieus. His reality show campaign appealed to rednecks, his "drain the swamp" shtick appealed to disgruntled Fox News dads and his social media activity brought in the millennial incels like Holla Forums and reddit (reposting Pepe pictures on Twitter, etc.).

Clinton's campaign on the other seemed only to focus on one particular group, SJWs and liberal hipsters. They massively overestimated the size of this clientele, which a is loud, but in the end not very numerous minority.

Hipsters.

My boy, sensationalist newspaper headlines full of speculation or outright falsehoods often in contradiction to the article right under it have always been a thing. When I was a teenager (last century), my school class visited a newspaper. When one of us asked the guy showing us around about some falsehood that they published, their reaction was:
He made a gesture communicating that it was non-issue.
>Well then, that's not really a mistake by the author. The text under the pictures, the headlines, and introductions are written by other people.
Further questions about the process and how to make stuff fit the layout revealed that even in the main text stuff was edited before publishing, without giving feedback to the named authors. The wonders of the division of labour, eh? He also said that they didn't bother correcting everything they know to be wrong in later issues, only the "important" things. His entire body became a gesture of pure notgivingafuckness. I decided right there that reading newspapers is a waste of time.
Propaganda has always been a thing. You hear so much about evil manipulating algorithms because the propaganda machines made of flesh are bitching about getting replaced by the cheaper alternative. It is not an inherent feature of all algorithms to output results that homogenize what you read, an algorithm can also be designed for diversity (the difference here is very similar to the difference between good single-winner election methods and proportional election methods). And what about consumer responsibility? I don't remember a time when it was typical for a Tory to occasionally read the Daily Mirror or a Marxist rag to keep in touch with what's happening on the other side.
I don't see how TV personality Trump is a new low compared to actor Ronald Reagan becoming President of the United States or a porn star running for office in Italy.
Sports and games and music and theatre have always been social activities: playing in a group, playing against each other, experiencing being part of a crowd.
I believe you do. By the way: twitter.com/bentarnoff/status/928023633234202624

Why can't you just be a hipster and not indulge in identity politics fuck

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2002 is the best tbh