Winter War

This. Soviet foreign policy was total dogshit in places like China or Afghanistan. No idea why anarchists don't spend more time attacking those two issues instead of crying over fascist-inspired regimes like Finland or Poland.

Thanks for the tip

so Porky is too then?

Invading any state that is not socialist is justified by history.

the answer is always no

Imperialism is part of the reality of the world. Imperialism by the Soviet Union was fine as it spread Socialism.

Imperialism is capitalist in nature so it isn't imperialism

Imperialism is a product of all systems. Socialism and Capitalism cannot exist. Feudalism and Capitalism cannot coexist. One must destroy the other and win the world.

How was it imperialist? While I agree the Winter war was a mistake, it was done for strategic reasons at a time when fascism was a massive threat, just like everything else the soviets did prior to WWII.

So it's not capitalism when you do it then?

Yeah, aren't you anti-commie anarchists supposed to have fucked off to /leftpol/ already? The soviets wasn't capitalist so they couldn't have been imperialist

It is impossible for socialists to be imperialist.

this is typical russian politics, 'it's justified to invade X other country to create more buffer space between whoever and our important cities', pure imperialism. They did that shit under the Tsars and they still do it now, but they somehow act like that reason provides a justification. I'm sure Finland would appreciate more space between the USSR and their capital too.

Totally equivalent guys.

Who gives a shit? It wouldn't matter if it were 50 feet from the Finnish border, it's still imperialism to invade another country because you want more territory. It's not noble and it's not self defense, so don't act like it is.

Ok buddy.

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I wouldn't necessarily call it justified but it was inevitable considering the closeness of Leningrad to the Finnish border, and due to territorial disputes over Karelia, and thanks to the Russian autism over muh buffer space.
You can ask the rather obvious question of would the Finns have been so willing to align with the Nazis if the Soviets hadn't been so aggressive in the first place

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Finland was told that USSR wasn't going to wait for Germany to come to them. What the fuck were they thinking being a flake and """neutral""" on the Soviet border?

Imagine being this much of a ☭TANKIE☭

Absolutely deserved it after finns massmurdered 20 000 communists in death camps in finnish civil war.

I reckon if the Ruskies had taken Finland early, they could have theoretically launched a counter invasion against the Nazis in Norway. This would have given the krauts and additional front to manage and would probably have tied up their forces a bit more. If the Soviets took this advantage and if they could fight their way to Oslo, they would have had the option of a northern invasion into Germany through Denmark. And if they laid down the 'Iron Curtain', this probably would have allowed them to consolidate the Nordic countries after the war.

It was justified Finland, Poland, Baltic's were all part of the Russian empire (Which was imperialist). However The Soviets were just reclaiming land they "still owned" for the good of the people and to bring them under glorious Socialism rather then exploitation/genocide and Russification which is what the Tsar did.

If Poland had accepted the terms of annexation the Nazi's would of had a much harder time rising to power and Western Europe would probably be Communist. Also it's not imperialist to invade fucking Nazi Germany or even neutral countries if you have their best at heart and don't just plan on exploitation but sharing the joint effort of both countries.

Imperialism can go hang itself but spreading the revolution sometimes requires force since society's if stable can easily stamp out Communists and put them in death camps or invade and try to destroy Communists

That's wrong tho.

No it is not.

I mean the Finns did side with the nazis so that might tell you something about their leadership

Why couldnt they just stay armed along the border? Could finland really have mounted an invasion?

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say those fashy-loving mongoloids had it coming. Although the SU wasn't much better.

Who would win:
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Relevant videos:
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Estonia and Finland were co-operating and had plans to blockade the Gulf of Finland.

The absolute state of this guy.

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For those keeping score at home: the Soviet Union had already invaded Sweden; Finland was the next stop going westward.

Rip comrades who died killing their brothers

Not any more defensible than nikolas war

The only thing worse than attacking Russia in winter is attacking Finland in the winter.

Is this the power of american education?

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no, but Finnish territory could would have been used by the Germans
Finland was aligned with Germany, to the extent of refusing aid from the UK and France in Winter War.
The Finnish government genuinely believed they could win the war, since the Red Army's reputation was lower than low. The war was already lost at that point, but the Finnish government only accepted peace with the Soviets after the the Finnish ambassador to Germany had been given a verbal promise of regaining any territory lost by Himmler.
also I can't find any proper, historical maps of the planned greater Finland because of nazi larpers and alt-historyretard-made maps are all I get from google

it was justified, but mistake.

I wouldn't say that there was much choice beyond taking the risk of remaining staunchly neutral, which had just bit the Finnish government in the ass earlier. The western allies were too far away and justifying an direct alliance with the nation that a moment earlier tried to invade the country would've been a course-change quite a bit too rough to pull.
"My enemies enemy is my friend" and "Spite is a hell of a drug", as they say.

The French and British did provide supplies, arms, and aircraft, which were accepted, received, and used. Such as Boys anti-tank rifles, Bristol Blenheim bombers, M.S.406 and C.714 fighters, etc.
Some of the aircraft didn't make it in time to participate, but nonetheless.
There were also plans for an military intervention, but Sweden refused by principle to allow troops and supplies to pass trough their territory at that time, referring to their declared neutrality in the war between Britain, France, and Germany, even though said supplies and troops were not related to said conflict and front.
It has been implied that the French and British may have had hidden agendas secure directly or indirectly the iron mines in the north of Sweden as it was an important source for steel.