How come Britain isn't as classcucked as America?

It's just that the Tories are extremely unlikable and Corbyn has actually has a brain compared to "leftie" amerifats.

France killed its nobility. The UK still has the bastards running things.

That's not France you American turd

Was meant for

Brah most of the "nobility" got there because the lords before them were beheaded by Cromwell. The British "Aristocracy" are just porkies with titles, bourgeois in every respect.

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Germany is worse though (as well as Austria).
A lot of Germans I've met seem to believe that the SPD are true socdems and would change things drastically, and see Corbyn and Mélenchon as hardcore socialists in comparison.
Sure there is Die Linke, but Western Germans are not into them, except maybe in some parts of Hamburg and around there. And I feel like it's the same almost everywhere in Europe.
The only difference is whenever centrists have more influence than nationalist conservative parties (e.g. Denmark, Sweden) or not (Poland, Hungary). The least classcucked countries in Europe are Greece, France, the UK, and Spain up to a degree, from my understanding.

C'est une blague ?

The irony is that in 2015 (just before Corbyn was elected) if you had said the UK was one of the least classcucked nations in Europe, people would laugh you out of the room. A lot can change quite quickly, remember that.

Don't forget the Portuguese.

labour party makes less concessions than US succdems but the most classcucked people i've talked to online are all brits so there's that

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diet US tryna act like they aren't just burgers who drink tea

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Why the fuck would I want a picture of the French flag when we're talking about which country is the most classcucked?

People overrate us to be fair and I don't really know why. It's probably just because of the recent surge with Corbyn and McDonnell at the helm and we've had some ok things in the past. I think it might just be because we have had some ok things and you don't really see the rest of the shit.

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Unironically read Moldbug

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Spitballing here: America's fucked up racial past made it much more susceptible to idpol than the UK; moreover, Manifest Destiny and having way too much land meant that America's peasantry was much more prominent than those of other developed countries, meaning the non-rentier classes were less drawn as a mass to proletariat-centric political movements like socialist movements have been in the past.

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it is clearly not as bad as the U.S. yeah, it is classcucked, but it's the second most classcucked.
I don't know why that's a crazy thing to see

Corbyn is a bourgeois soc dem, stop praising him.

prove me wrong

Nop his mum was a teacher & his dad was an electrician and his first job was working as a union officer. All of these are proletarian professions.

Factually incorrect he seeks democratic control of hte means of production. Tho he isnt as good as John "Million Man March Making Maggie's Memory Miserable" McDonnell.

No, they are not. Teacher is bourgeois servant, electrician is petit-bourgeois and his work is upholding the capitalist system through selling out the working class with petty reforms.

No, he does not. He wants to save capitalism from itself, his own words.

You don't know the fucking definition of proletarian, do you you wikipedia marxist?

You obviously don't know what petit-bourgeois are, or what servants of the state are.

A teacher is in league with the state, they take their marching orders from the state. They are operatives of the state. The state is controlled by the bourgeois. They are bourgeois servants and traitors to the proletariat.

An electrician in the UK is a petit-bourgeois position.

Whose labour do they exploit?

Often laborers who work for them or are hired by them for cheap wages or members of their family, like most petit-bourgeois.

Yeah because that happened with british electric, in the 1950s.

You are chatting out of your arse mate.

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No because british electric was a nationalised organisation under which the petit-bourgeois organisation you are talking about was literally impossible. Because believe it or not, the workers were employed by british electric and you couldn't just sub-contract out your job. Ergo he was a fucking proletarian.

So he was an arm of the capitalist state as well. Even worse.

My god are you thick?

The UK has a class divide even worse than America because they have less in the middle. They also have more class immobility.

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OH MY GOD I AM SAYING IT WAS CAPITALIST YOU BLITHERING MORON.

Then using Corbyn's capitalist servant parents, betrayers of the proletariat as evidence of his allegiance is proven imbecilic.

Name one profession (apart from professional anarkiddie) that doesn't make you a servant of the capitalist class? Proletarians are always the servants of the capitalist class because that is how our socio-economic order is structured. Honestly how can you be so illiterate on a marxist board?

Key is unwilling, state servants are not. They are those who sign up to be the enforcing arm of the capitalist state and its bourgeois masters.

"The executive of the modern state is nothing but a committee for managing the common affairs of the whole bourgeoisie." There can be no excuses for those who carry out the agenda of the bourgeois. They are by defintion class traitors.

Kill yourself

t. class traitor butthurt to be called out

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True Proletarian (tm)
class traitor
10/10

I don't work in the public sector. However, where I live many people who do work in over full classrooms and understaffed nursing homes. I've heard about the shit these people have to deal with and the care they simply cannot give to the folks they work with because they're already spread thin due to underfunding. If anyone is a class traitor, it's you. If you're not trolling, I really hope you change your mind.

t. third worldist

Holy shit you really are a newfag aren't you?

The difference is not in the names, but in the nature of where their power derives: their power comes not from their name or ancestry (as with actual aristocracies) but from the fact they posses capital, the MoP and land. As such, they are inherently bourgeois (apart from the wanks on the isle of Skye but Scottish land law is fucked). Those with titles that did not maintain their private property have no power whatsoever; this is the sign of a truly bourgeois regime, one that was establish in britain a century before American independence was even a concept. Crowns and titles don't mean shit, property and production relations do.

Wrong.

You need to do some reading on revolutionary consciousness. You cannot have a revolution from state employees, they are by nature always servants to the system that they serve and the people who rule that system.

I am sure there are perfectly good people working in these system, but the fact is that they are class traitors in service of the bourgeois, serving an anti-revolutionary cause.

You are really an enemy of the revolutionary struggle that much is clear.

Because Britain has a proper feudal class system. (Which is unironically superior.)

What happens when an aristocrat loses his wealth? He retains his title and some degree of his social standing. It declines, of course, but he's still "of high birth" and this is recognized in the community, and in his title. (Which may even provide rights, if he is one of the few hereditary peers, etc.)

What happens when an """"entrepreneur"""" loses his wealth? He has nothing. He is a pauper, a prole, a nobody. What little social standing he retains will be amongst friends only, the business community has no time for those without cash. When he dies, there will be no title, there will be nothing to pass on. All the money in the world couldn't stop him being a commoner, and without the money he's not even a particularly good commoner.

With that in mind there is much potential for the old British aristocracy to fucking loathe the gauche dickheads driving around London with their mobile phones after the 'Big Bang', tearing the social fabric of an ancient society to ribbons in the pursuit of the fucking American dream.

Consider this to be the situation of between being "classcucked" in Britain: Margaret HILDA Thatcher was of low birth, and a villain of our story. She empowered the financial sector bourgeoisie while herself being the wife of a businessman. In America, the story would end there - but who ranks above the PM in the British system? The Queen. It's a known fact the Queen used to mock Thatcher's attempts to affect a posh accent, and amongst certain circles the very not-posh "Hilda" was mandatory. So far, so discriminatory: So what ties this up into the Queen being the hero of this tale?

Well, as Thatcher noted: The problem with the Queen is that she's the kind of woman who would vote for the SDP.
And any problem of Thatchers is a friend of mine.

a man who believes he owes his position to god is easier to negotiate with than a man who believes he owes his position to his own hard work.
(unless we truncate that negotiation with the use of tanks.)

monarchy constrains genuflecting to the bourgeoisie. nobody believes they can become the king. the top role is explicitly non-meritocratic rather than merely implicitly so. this is a much superior arrangement.

tbf the 2016 manifesto was pretty accurately surmised as reheated social democracy.
in practice his "democratic control of the means of production" will likely amount to the encouragement of co-ops a-la-tony-benn.

what about all the strikes tho

Strikes that do nothing to undermine the system and serve no revolutionary purpose are just part of bourgeois reformism.

is it fascist to like strikes for their aesthetic value

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So Russian soldiers in the 1917 revolution don't real?

February revolution was bourgeois, how does that help your point?

No, it just means you are focused on the wrong things.

yes no maybe?
youtube.com/watch?v=OVrMkhlMZeM

Russian soldiers in 1917 were conscripts, just random men forced to fight for the Russian state. So it is not comparable to someone who voluntarily serves the state.

Another no-booker here lads.

All the coal mines in England were nationalised, are coal miners voluntarily working for the state?

I can understand the necessity of the February revolution while acknowledging those who carried it out for what they were. Which you do not seem to want to do.

Bit more debatable because many of those places only had one type of job leaving no choice.

taking part in capitalism isn't voluntary even if you work for the state you fucking voluntaryst-ancap garbage, excellent attempt at copying retard-left lingo though

Which is why you can make a distinction between those who work within the state and those who do not. Working in the state is a choice, a choice to be part of the mechanism of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

What?

Were what? Proletarians striking?

Ah but the entire electrical grid was nationalised in the UK, so to be an electrical engineer (which is what Father Corbyn was), one HAD to work for the National Grid (or whatever it was called back then). So you ready to conceded you are chatting shit or nah?

Then do not be one. I was referring to geographical limitations.

Britain isn't classucked? Britain doesn't have a single far left party represented in the parlieament in London.
Hell…in the UK the "left" is so pussy that it had to be the right organizing the brexit and runing a campaign focoused on immigrants instead of the fact that the EU is a useless corrupt institution.
British people are alcoholic folks, just don't take away their premier league…if the government banned football on weekends, then yes the british people would rebel immediately.

Out of interest, what is your line of work?

Work in a fish factory.

If that factory was nationalised tomorrow, I assume you would quit because you would be working for the bourgeois state, no?

yes

Why, you still have the same boss, you are still in the same role, you are still a part of the capitalist machine: how is your position as a proletarian changed?

Because then I would be a cog supporting the machinery of bourgeois political supremacy.

literally any and all work is maintaining the bourgeois society
imagine if all energy/transport workers stopped, the bourgeois society would immediately collapse, imagine that
fucking class traitor coalminers and truck drivers maintaining bourgeois state, literal counterrevolutionaries
you are degenerating class struggle into a question of picking between one and the other, giving capitalism far more freedom of choice than is realistic

nwm, this has to be bait, nobody is this clueless

But aren't you already? Your boss earns money that they use to promulgate bourgeois political supremacy: unless JD Wetherspoon has entered into the HoL recently without me knowing.

Difference is that to destroy the bourgeoisie the state must be captured and turned on them, if you are working to uphold the state then you are maintaining bourgeois rule. A bourgeoisie without state power is destined to die. It is intrinsic to their survival as a class. You cannot destroy the bourgeoisie through the economic sphere, you need state power for it.

see

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i think even ken loach would avoid such a lionising description of coal mining

Okay, how related to the state does your industry have to be? Private firm contracted by the state? Receive subsidies? Public private partnership?

The IRA are anti imperialist, not nationalist

Thoughts on them?

socialistworkerspartyengland.blogspot.com/p/swpe-policy-outline.html?m=1

absolutely nazbol
also your flag related

They're closer to national liberation than anything

ABSOLUTELY
CLASSCUCKED
lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-self-employed-caller-in-his-place/

For the same reason I'd rather drink with a rapist than a murderer. It's still classcucked all to hell, the US is just SO cucked that it makes anyone look competitively good (besides some Gulf states of coarse.)

I am pretty familiar with the weirdo british hard-left and who the fuck are these guys?

Also fun fact: Britain had a posadist party in the 1970s.

Have you not seen the fucking state of our media it is peak classcuckery on a whole other level .
Pic not related it's just rather funny really.

"The mail ran a 13 page story on why people should not vote for us on the 7th of june, and our vote share increased by 10%. Next time, I hope they run a 26 page one."
t. Corbyn, Labour Party Leader Speech at the conference.

low quality shitpost or cryptoancap having cognitive dissonance

doesn't matter whether it's state or capital - same fucking thing

So did Germany, and they lost/suffered way more than Britain did.

And they ended up becoming the most reactionary, violent nation state the world has ever seen (And yes, Nazi Germany was more reactionary than the United States, [that being said the US is still a reactionary shithole and is only marginally less shit than NG])

didn't know the US is as bad as NG