You are invited to participate in the new board >>>/leftpol/

Not like there's been any productive or worthwhile discussion here anyway.

That's the case every time there's a happening, now why are you trying to kill the board?

she's not, the users are trying to kill the board, she's just letting them go ahead. We'll be reborn anew.

So, that's it? It's actually happening? Holla Forums is actually going to split for real this time?

Still don't know why Ba'athism gets a pass on this.
inb4 banned

Couldn't have said it better myself. /leftpol/ has like 100 ips already, so I think it could really take off and replace the function of Holla Forums for most of the ignorant chauvinists who post here. Then it wouldn't be my problem anymore.

It's obvious why Baathism gets a pass. If you disagree with it, oh well.

This is all so crazy for me because I never cared about rajovia, never cared about the threads and now Holla Forums is crumbling for something I never cared for.
Its all so senseless

that's it, I finally got it
you're a body snatcher, it all makes sense now
you're our Azef
how much do they pay you?

This is exactly how I feel. All I know about over a dozen US military bases in Syria is something something Google Bookchin.

Ahahaha, wow, nuts. Godspeed, you crazy fucks, maybe we can actually have some fun on one of these boards.

I don't get it.

pshhh.. it's okay now stop being such an imperialist

First because the board was created to allow anyone who wasn't an obnoxious fascist shitter. Now because I'm a ☭TANKIE☭.

Yeah that's why I don't get it.

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Why are fascists allowed here at all then by this logic?
Why ban disingenuous rhetoric? We should be able to call it out for what it is, right?

Based Xir

Hate to agree with BO for once but that's not what happens, Holla Forums just can't help but take the bait every time.

tbh the most fun thing about this board is when nazi posters try to fit in

Forgot to use Rohava near the end.
Somehow actually makes the line funnier.

I got news for you, buddy.

Repost because typo.

In my entire time here I've only spotted three or so posts that actually supported NATO interventions. And I think all of those posts were by two people max.

Criticizing Assad does not mean you support imperialism. Calling out Chinese or Russian imperialism doesn't mean you deny American imperialism. Supporting the workers of Rohava doesn't mean you support Israel. Wanting Rohava to survive doesn't mean you endorse Al Nusra, or want Damascus to be carpet bombed.
What the Executive Council has been doing for years now is cold hard realpolitik. Just like Lenin when he took German aid. Just like the Viet Cong when they bought Swedish weapons. Just like Stalin when he cooperated with the allies to save hundreds of millions of soviet workers. And dozens of other revolutionary movements and leaders that at some point needed to work with capitalists to save the greater revolution.
I don't get why this is so hard to comprehend. They're not fighting for an independent Kurdish nation-state, they're not fighting to uphold capitalism*, they're fighting for worker's autonomy and dignity.

*If you are going to bring up the few remaining capitalist enterprises and the Rohavan failure to immediately instate fully automated luxury communism, then I in turn will bring up the NEP or how Chinese Maoists allowed industrialists and other business owners to join their cause.

Rojava is still going to fail though. They're not economically sufficient and thus will be forced into production for exchange, destroying the movement.

how many fucking idiots are going to assume that every foreign language follows the same pronouciation as Spanish? I literally don't understand how people can be this stupid
ROH-zhə-VAH;
ROH-zhə-VAH;
ROH-zhə-VAH;

Nigga wut?

did they never teach you how to use a dictionary in school? It's the pronunciation respelling of over a dozen US military bases in Syria.
this might help: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key

>>>/leftpol/988
So why are you the BO on /leftpol/? Why should people trust you? What will be your way of moderating the board? Why not give it to someone with more experience/credentials who can explain their merits to your posters?

No, I only mention that I was drunk when I put it up because it was inconsequential and I went to sleep right after. Most of the drama happened while I was away. I kept it up because it made me laugh and I want the people who whined about it to go away. I absolutely own it, it's my responsibility and I think it's good.

I'm sure you've noticed that it takes a lot of time to maintain this shit. It's like a part time job you will never get paid for. Every single time this shit site software (infinity) breaks and deletes flags, banners, etc. is just another waste of time and energy, and stupid newfriends will blame mods for problems caused by CodeMonkey and the Shady Businessman. I held off on adding flags back for two reasons: 1. I didn't have time to make and monitor a flag thread. 2. I thought there would probably be a site backup.

Because he's been a cool guy so far.

lmao
"how much experience as a cocksucking moderator do you have?"
None, one would hope. A mod's job is even shitter than a high school janitor's.

This is the weirdest thing, in spite of me thinking such stances are retarded, I never even banned them. But the people who do hold those stances, support over a dozen US military bases in Syria, etc have a massive persecution complex like I'm constantly doing Great Purges. Their butthurt just confirms that they really are just crypto-imperialists. I will be totally glad if they fuck off to a different board.

If you aren't then someone is. I got banned not too long ago for criticizing Arab nationalism.

Oh sure.

I got banned for pretty blatant Nazbol irony. Dunno if it was you, but it's not like it matters.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

The BO didn't imply they didn't believe you, just that they don't care.

The optimal way forward is for BO to step down and for the board to somehow find a replacement who is even tempered, professional. and non-sectarian.

Ahahahahahahahaha

You could say that of any position here. ☭TANKIE☭s complain, MLs complain, narchos complain, socdems, leftcoms, etc.
I know you're the B.O., but perhaps consider that this sort of artificial drama doesn't help the board quality or culture. Before all of this started the resident Bookchinites mostly stuck to their cyclical, and would occasionally venture outside to tell people to "Google Murray Bookchin".
There was no problem, no matter how idealistic, ignorant or undialectical the posters were in that thread.

Then someone decided they were a problem. First the cyclical was removed, then I recall the whole barrel bomb drama, and now it's gone all the way with wordfilters, etc.
This is the biggest leftist online discussion platform on the internet. Don't destroy it by letting idealists with a persecution complex get to you.

Well, I will be taking my business elsewhere.

reddit tier, tbh. Word of advice: don't ever piss on Rachel. you know how it worked out for them.

BO's gonna make Stalin look like an anarchist!

I still can't believe some barrel bombs quarrel spiraled out into this whole shitshow

we are our worst enemy indeed

Holla Forums has been shit for quite some time now.
Hell, when the flags went down the already low quality of this board took a nosedive.

Thankfully bunkerchan exists.

If you are going to be voicing your opinions on the various ideologies of this board.
I would request that you also do so regarding me and Technocracy.

That said.
The nazbol rubbish should be bannable (even if it is done 'ironically').
Giving Holla Forums a backdoor for their shit here has proved to be a horrid idea.

I have been an advocate of such action for quite some time.
Space and myself being the obvious candidates for a successor.

Space do you ever get tired of shilling your site?

but how about Russian imperialism in Syria ? Russia is also a capitaliste country that have interest in Syria thus is defending it's interest, why should we support any side in this conflit ? both are puppet of imperialism interest.

I'd rather have Ismail.

did 🦇ko ever say he would accept BO? He would be my vote(if we're voting).

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fuck off howard

Seriously?

I do find it funny that some newfags think that Space and myself are the same person.

Not only was I here long before Space, but I happen to live the on other side of the world from the fellow.
Hell, anyone that was a regular of this boards old mumble room could confirm that we are different people.

I do like Ismail.

However not only does he currently have alot on his plate.
I also fear that his rather…strange current ideological positions would damage the board.

Bat'ko said that he would not accept it due to him currently being busy with uni work.

At any rate, his association with leftists from reddit would risk this board becoming another r/FULLCOMMUNISM.

Really Space and myself are the only viable candidates.

There really is nothing wrong with the place.

You're delusional. No one will accept a tripfag BO.

The only one is this board that is in the right to take power is NewsAnon, the only True camarde we have here.

Alright, give me the password for the board.

can't we have a cute girl as a BO for once? I propose Lebanese titties

Its anathema to the whole chan thing

So why does baathism get a pass then

Unlike the current BO, I value open and constructive discourse.

Unlike the current BO, I want to see the creation of a comprehensive set of rules that are universally enforced.

Unlike the current BO, I want true transparency in regards to both bans and the moderation team.

Unlike the current BO, I value swift action to correct any problems with this board.

Unlike the current BO, I want to see an open forum in which board policies, features and adjustments are given due consideration.

Unlike the current BO, I do not play favourites with left wing ideologies.

Unlike the current BO, I want to put a stop to Holla Forums infiltrators and shitposting.

Unlike the current BO, I want Holla Forums to thrive for as many years as this sites administration will have us.

Unlike the current BO, I care deeply for this board and the posters here that seek worthwhile debate and discussion.

And here we go.
Define shitposting.

You also believe that the smart should lord over the dumb unwashed masses running their lives for them.

An absent BO too busy to push an agenda that we can bitch to if one of the mods starts trying to enforce their personal image of leftism is basically the ideal though

reddit spacing nice job

Fuck off, tripfag.

fire your election campaign manager asap

Is there some law of the universe that every board/site owner eventually goes drunk with power and ruins their own board/site for no reason?

He's a technocrat he is his own campaign manager

Its the dialectic of class differences.

hoxha syndrom

that's not how it works, the technocrats hire idiot consultants for way too much money to be their campaign managers

decentralized horizontalist chan when?

this

What did B.O. mean by this?

You either abandon the board eventually, or you stick around long enough to ruin it.

No no no technocrats are the one that think they are smarter than everyone else so obviously no one could do a better job then they can do and it would just be more efficient to cut out the middle man in the flow data.

man, you're dense
Space is your Alter Ego, Howard
I can even entertain the possibility that you have a split personality disorder and don't even understand that you and Space are the same person

Absolutely. Can you name a single website without faggot cocksucker mods?

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as in
you left Holla Forums? is that like a pun?

I value readability for such posts.
I space them how I think appropriate.

Please feel free to point out any objections that you have with my positions.
I do not believe that I said anything objectionable.

None of you clearly know anything about what Technocracy is.

Given that Space live in the north of England and I live in Australia.
I do fail to see how that would work.

Christ man cant you take a joke? I thought you aussies were known for your bantz or are you just normally a stick in the mud

It all makes sense now

As with all Australians, I can assure you that I'm more then capable of being a world class shitposter.

I do have a rather serious temperament however and as such restrict myself to suitable times and places for shitposting.
Clearly I do not consider leftypol to be a suitable place.

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That just proves that you should never have any capacity in running Holla Forums then

man you're as stale as a wall of concrete

but you're already shitposting.

leftcoms confirmed for retarded people who'll sit the fuck down even if the idea of kurdish nationalism was on their very doorstep. your ban was pretty deserving just through your massive need to be recognized as marginalized, yet will be found taking a shit when these actual marginalizations really come to you.
stay in your fucking armchair.

THIS CAN ONLY END ONE WAY

Im honestly quite disappointed. Holla Forums isnt perfect but I thought it had a good balance of both quality and QUALITY content. To see a schism like this hurt the overall population is frustrating after all this progress this board has made.

First as tragedy, then as farce.

the BO ☭TANKIE☭ meme is pretty funny and this is the best one I've seen but, I have seen 0 poof of this except for buttmad anons over wordfilters.

ismail is not that much of a fan of Stalin anymore
his Bae is Brezhnev now

You don't think the BO posts outside of stickies, do you?

Duh, but we have no proof of their opinions whatsoever except for what is done as BO.

Exactly. They're not working with a lot of good will, given their absenteeism.

Your assburgers is so palpable, I just want to shake you and scream.

Is this how it all ends?

As someone who used to be a massive lurker due to fear of being made fun of, I could understand. The BO is on a massively sensitive position with a site that hates them, a populace that will get mad at any move they make just because BO isn't "communist" enough (on a site designed for regular user management).
Personally I like the BO, even if they make dumb decisions here and there. This is a person we're talking about.

leftpol has better flags, thier ML and leftcom flags are top notch
but I don't want the userbase to split
part of the reason why leftypol is great is because it is not a slowpoke board

B-BO…

You're from masterchan?

it's too late, the damage is already done, already saw something similar before and no amount of reconciliation or begging can stop the split
rip Holla Forums and /leftpol/ mom's spaghetti

forgot gay tripcode

That's cute, I remember when I was afraid of mean imageboard posters a decade ago.
Truly, what we need is a decentralized horizontal imageboard.

The left continues to split itself. Really makes me think

As long as this doesnt represent a change in how you are going to be moderating i dont see a problem.

But "Imperialism" is a very broad and vague term. Ditto for opportunism.

Furthermore encouraging this split wont stop \pol\fags raiding this board and improve the quality. This will be the one they target, not the splinterboards.

Yeah, they like to raid big things because they do it for attention. No one's gonna raid /leftpol/ right now, because they're too small.

Ugh not this shit.
BO, you gotta lay off man.
All yall gotta calm the fuck down.
Except howard scott, he's annoying.

This banning of people for unimportant transgressions is unacceptable. BO please respect this board and it's inhabitants, we are but humble shitposters.

Literally nothing chauvinistic about ethno-states with imperialist aspirations. Greater Syria is just a joke and not a foreign policy goal after all :^)

This.

can someone please explain to me wtf is happening

pic related

Isn't it obvious? BO can't be bothered to actually contribute to the community so instead he's throwing in the towel. BO doesn't care about the board because the board has mercilessly made fun of him and those like him (t.ankies) for years now. Guess he just can't handle the bantz

More accurate depiction would be every other tendency vs ☭TANKIE☭s.

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throw in towel for what? i don't get what this is all about

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Xir doesn't care about the split, because this board is a liability to him

why is the split happening in the first place?

I'm feeling rather confused about the Sex of ##BO.
I'm not familiar in any way shape or form with Tumblerina pronouns.
Is it a Female or a Male?

cuz word filters that pissed off the Kurdish Imperialist boot lickers and ass mad ☭TANKIE☭s that turned out to be right all along about the Kurds go figure.

French kissing?

I've been wondering this myself for quite some time
it's a mystery

Literally nobody but maybe a t.ankie or 2 likes his moderation style, because he literally only comes here to fuck with the board and piss off different tendencies that aren't t.ankies. People just got tired of it and someone decided to make a new board.

It's an old meme that the BO is a girl, back when people still liked him. Honestly feels like a different person is running this place now. Used to be that he would threaten to ban sectarian leftcoms for being against D.F.N.S.

Yep definitely a new fag. Actual revolutionary ☭TANKIE☭s are fighting in D.F.N.S. at this very moment.

Oh read below still I wanted to post this ghost.

oh well, that seems reasonable and hilarious.
This is really an unexpected plot twist, back when I arrived I felt like sectarianism wasn't out of control, but now a days feels like Holla Forums infiltrated us and is tearing us apart from the inside out.
Also I'm going to screencap your post.

MLs created ☭TANKIE☭s so they're the ones responsable for that backstabbing.
We don't need you.

“Tаnkiе” should be a term reserved for armchair Marxist-Leninists. The ones that actually go out and fight for revolution are pretty based and are worthy of respect, imo.

Fair enough. I still don't think they should be part of the political decision making process though

Which is 0.
Antifa is doing everything this days. MLs are pathetic cowards shut ins like Jason Unruhe. Authoritarians better stay in, the world does not need them.
Bye

When the BO backstabs himself:

it all went to shit after the april hack
when BO threatened to force a migration userbase was baffled by how out of nowhere it all came
everyone thought BO was a chill dude before that incident

stop shitposting
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist–Leninist_Communist_Party_(Turkey)

I get the impression that his lack of power despite being the B.O. is incredibly frustrating for him and is driving him to do more and more reckless shit just to feel some kind of semblance of control. Being a ☭TANKIE☭ probably has something to do with this

They’re out there fighting for the D.F.N.S. as we speak, though.

So this is the true power of Marxism-Leninism

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BeeOH you are hurting me please stahp

also funny how Howard was sucking BO off at that time, but now he is in opposition

Everyone should be given a chance to prove they can do a job they volunteered/undertook to do if it's obvious they are aware of what the job entails and they could be capable of doing it despite their lack of experience and credentials, so they should be trusted until they prove otherwise. Also having more experience and credentials doesn't prove anything until you test against all other candidates after some time, there's plenty of examples of newcomers outperforming oldfags either immediately or eventually.

But since you mentioned it: your experience as a BO demonstrates to everyone who wants to take this board seriously that you suck at it, your dumb word-filters only got in the way of arguing against Holla Forumstards and over a dozen US military bases in Syriafags and caused a board split.

##BO's behavior during the hack was an absolute disaster and put this board into total shame in front of all Holla Forums.
I was fiercely against a forced Migration and against his childish screeching.
I nearly forgot about the "April's fool" hack.

As I have stated a number of times.
I fully support this board being forcefully migrated over to bunkerchan as not only will that help address moderation issues, but it will ensure that we are no longer subject to the whims of the Holla Forums aligned administration of this website.

I have never particularly cared for the BO and have been an open critic of him over the years.
However as a forced migration was in the best interests of this board (and still is), I praised the BO during that time for attempting to do something positive for this board.
I was not about to criticise a person that (at the time) was acting in the best interests of the board and as such temporally aligned with my interests.

Help help! Anonymous communist faggots on the interwebs are being mean to me!

It's not like that's not your fault either. You let shitposters crap out all the low effort dipshit memethreads that they want. You make the board a hole and it's no surprise sewage collects there.

What a shame. Guess I’m out, it’s been a wild ride fellas

I applaud BO for resisting the urge to claim ownership of the community. Whatever disagreements I had with the board's moderation (mostly the occasional retarded calls for migration), it has on average worked well so far. I'm staying.

I just don't want this to lead to sectarianism of any kind, on any side.

Gee I wonder who could be behind this board-split? Getting nervous, Yaldabaoth?

I will not rest until Israel is no more!

just post on both boards m8s

BASED TRIPS OF TRUTH

Long live the immortal dialectical science of Baathism-Apoism.

Fuck you BO, you fucking pussy. Did they offer you a mod position on r/fullcommunism? If you don't want to lead then hand it over to someone else, fucking ☭TANKIE☭ waste.

If we have different boards sympathetic to different types of ideologies, maybe we can bring more outsiders to one board, and they would eventually explore the other board as well.

So is Holla Forums for leftcoms and anarchists, and /leftpol/ for other so-called leftists?

Kys nigger

What's wrong with over a dozen US military bases in Syria?

Ayyyy

This was a good post until you you lumped in your comrades with the enemy.

The name leftypol is a meme and people from all over find their way here. If its not welcoming for all they wont look for the other boards on 8ch. They wont know how to find them, they wont even know how to use the site.

rip over a dozen US military bases in Syria threads
lmao what?

Support the armchair in the fight agaisnt BO imperialism !

JUST

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you know what you must do Coup d'état

Get on tox faggot

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Bunkerchans view of the split
bunkerchan.xyz/gulag/res/674.html

And no, I'm not Howard_Scott.

/leftpol/ already has more posts than most boards on bunkerchan.

your site is dead, scott
acceptance will allow you to move on

I can't believe you would laugh at that, this post is one of the most damaging ones you've ever made.

You are not acting in the way befitting of your position as BO of a umbrella-leftist community. Please try to be neutral and perform your function properly w/o any ideological bias. It's the only way this community is going to stay together and the BEST thing about this board is how we're are not a circle jerk. We all hate each other, but we stick together when times are tough TOGETHER equally.

Could you come join us on tox

Couldn't you just PM the Tox details to every mod instead of asking anonymously?

most of us are already connected, it's just a matter of opening the application.

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Are you dealing with some real-life stress, board owner? Everyone does eventually, the key is to not let it spill over into the community. If you're having some personal issues it's best to take a break for a while and let others handle things.

I'm not and I'd like to know the fuck is happening

Get in IRC.
qchat.rizon.net/?channels=bunkerchan

Have you made any bans recently? that'd be the easiest way for me to pm you. if not, ban me and we'll go from there.

Check the ban list, made a one second ban with the details.

Are ancaps welcome there?

you can debate, but no shitposting.

done, check your inbox

This looks like a lost cause.

What did he mean by this?

You forgot:

imo a split has been on the horizon ever since the over a dozen US military bases in Syria general stopped being cyclical and the wordfilter thing was just the straw that broke the camals back on top of the extremely shitty moderating that's been happening for the past while.

You got that backwards, bruh.

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Hilarious.

It's almost nonsensical. Unless…

B.O. here is also the B.O. of leftpol

Has the board owner changed since 2014? I feel like I remember her being different back then…

Born too late to fight hand and hand with the Bolsheviks, born too early for inevitable communism, born at just the right time to shitpost on leftypol. It's been fun, comrades. I hope leftpol builds up a userbuser base as large as this board had, but we all know that's unlikely. This board was great while it lasted and it's a shame that such a large collective is splitting and therefore weakening over such petty reasons. Pardon the democrap lingo, but we're stronger together. Godspeed.

Yes, she doesn't like running the board nor does she seem to enjoy interacting with its users. Moderation does that to a person.

What, do you know who the BO is?
Spoiler alert: you probably don't

I'm just going to use both until leftypol gets its shit together. I would happily abandon leftpol if that happens.

BO would have to go for that to happen as it's clear maintaing an umbrella left board no longer interests them. I don't see why he doesn't hand off the keys to Space_ and just leave if he doesn't like the board.

I don't even understand what the fuck is happening.

I only come to leftypol due to generally open discussion where we can discuss news and politics without fear of heavyhanded moderation (unlike Holla Forums).

Tired of fucking mod drama. All I want is a board where spammers get GULAG'd and the rest of us can discuss freely. Fuck this gay earth.

Yes, you are.

The "umbrella left" is just like the Democratic Cops of America, it's for cops, spies, active duty troops, and any number of other kinds of crypto-fash and crypto-imperialists. It's opportunist idealism at best.

…sigh. I know that feel. I used to run a minecraft server back in the day and I remember turning into kind of a bitch because of it

It's sad though because I really like Holla Forums, and I have some good memories of board owner too. I've been here since 2014. and I honestly can't say there is any other online community quite like this one. I hope this board gets it's shit together, because imo, this place is worth saving.

Oh yeah, and a migration from 8ch is still actually necessary. There just isn't anywhere good to migrate to. If you like 8ch, then /leftpol/ is the place to stay!

Is supposed to refer to those who supported Khrushchev sending in the tanks. They uncritically supported the Soviet Union and thought it could do no wrong. IIRC most MLs, at least nowadays, tend to hate Khrushchev and consider the Soviet Union after Stalin to be "Revisionist". At least that's the impression I get. I lean ultraleftist, but even I got to admit the slurs are getting too out of hand as of late. I think it was actually preferable if we didn't have too many flags on here, since people will tend to assume things about the poster before they even read what they wrote.

And regarding BO's management of the board, whilst I disagree with her putting on a wordfilter on Ro.java, she's not responsible for the board's quality decreasing. On such a forum, it's up to the users to create quality content, and for the most part, people on here seem more interested in posting memes, engaging in e-celeb trash, changing and forced memeing of various tendencies and roleplaying as if this place is some kind of organization, rather than just a place for different leftists to discuss relevant events and theory. The more people choose to turn this place into a spectacle the less people who are actually inclined to be knowledgeable about what they're talking about are going to want to engage on here.

Well, alright then, thanks for being open about it, I guess.

Was Lenin the umbrella left all along?

accept jesus

It's true I turned into a ☭TANKIE☭ and being a mod played a part in it. However, the board itself has changed too. The board quality is extremely poor most of the time, which is the result of our lax rules and the massive increase in posters.

This is very accurate. I don't think I've ever seen Holla Forums posters actually factcheck news stories that get posted here, or offer additional research. People just blindly argue about false headlines and history memes they know nothing about. It's a total waste. If people like doing that, I hope they go to /leftpol/ or somewhere else.

Are you going to allow us to help you out with new banners for this board?
for example:
That's one of the full size banners of my board.
I know all the banners are 300x100

I've been wanting to add banners for ages, but the banner interface is broken for me for some reason.

get in contact with Codemonkey.
You know what I'm going to /sudo/ to tell him about it.

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How are you not COINTELPRO?

I told you dawg, I told you about advertising.

That's true. I remember back when I first found this place, and it was mostly just /lit/ posters. I was like "finally, an intelligent chan". There's more memeing and less intellectualism here now, but personally I don't really mind this. I like that we're getting our message out to more people, even if it does mean ruining 'le secrit bookclub'.

Why do you think we need more rules to up the quality? I've always felt that lax moderation was one of the things that made this place great. No SJW mods and a diversity of opinion allows people to actually think and innovate instead of just parroting talking points.

there:
>>>/sudo/59063
I have to go to school now.

But yeah, it's the people who want to LEAVE 8ch that are COINTEL.

Talk about a persecution complex.

I think that rules giving people warnings for taking bait, being negligent about factchecking news stories, encouraging original research, etc. would be good, but they're also antithetical to much of the Holla Forums userbase. They're also extremely hard to carry out with the 8ch mod tools.

Yoga pig doesn't care, about the user base of this site, he just cares about the traffic and that CP is not posted in the site, aside from that, well maybe he does sell metadata, but we are not the only ones.
who knows.

good to know you missed all the theory threads over the years, explains a lot actually

Do you know of any online communities that enforce rules like this? That sounds like a nightmare to moderate

8/pol/ and both lainchans have some variants on those rules. However, they have other problems with autistic moderation. Yes, it would be borderline impossible to enforce with the 8ch board software. However, with better software, it would be possible to create a better board.

yes. inifinity was open i think OpenIB is still active

I was here since the beginning and I'm glad that this happened. Seriously, I don't need pseudo-leftists who just want a reading circle and don't actually talk about politics or get involved. See how neglected the news threads usually are, and it's not like there is nothing happening now.

Ever thought that someone so obscure as Bordiga became a Holla Forums meme was correlating with the inherent armchairism of the core of the userbase? Weird stances like this don't just arise. I've never even such an attitude anywhere else outside of Holla Forums, and it is annoying when a certain, very loud group of users, derails completely unrelated threads by forcing the debate for n-th time to talk about fucking commodity production.

What we can see now is the very bad mix of illiterate shitposting that still retains this very attitude, and we get really obnoxious results, like that openly Zionist over a dozen US military bases in Syria-poster, or that insufferable Anarcho-Nihilist. It's the worst mix. The absolute state of Xexizy right now is somewhat representative of that, as he has always a mirror of Holla Forums in some way.

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Rules are not bad when they are formulated in an abstract way so that they can be universally applied, like law codes. It wouldn't be much of an effort to make a succinct list of rules. Right now, due to the absence of rules, we get more volitale bans, and due to the mixture of ideologies among the volunteers, bans always have this bad taste of being ideologically biased.

r/socialism is a hellhole, granted, but at least you know what you are getting banned for.

Please just fuck off, kthxbye.

volatile bans*

Rules are an excuse for moderators to consolidate power over their userbase. It happens time and time again and it's what kills boards. However, the BO wants to go to another site anyway, so killing the board might not seem like a bad idea.

We have rules in the faq. The issue is the application of rules and that apples to r/socialism rules as well, assuming the user banned for fucking a woman 8 years his senior wasn't lying.

```HOWARD FOR BO 2017```

No, rules enframe the power of the moderators, if they are violating the rules, they can be called out on it. It's the absence of rules that or rules so vague that they allow mods to be abuse their power.

True, but looking at the bans here (or lack thereof in some cases), they are not actually implemented. This could mean two things: 1.) The rules are insufficient or 2.) the moderators are shit.

In any case, I don't get why BO banned Zionist shit. The FAQ kinda states that Holla Forums is supposed to be an anti-Zionist board.

I do get why BO banned Zionist shit*

Man that fucking hangover

The Volunteers are not shit, and they have done most of the work removing spam and Holla Forums shitposts in the past few months, but most of them simply do not agree with half of the rules (in content or intent) and refuse to enforce them.

This is correct.

This is extremely idealist, user. Awaken yourself to the realities of realpolitik and know that mods can do whatever they want, as long as the admin doesn't get pissed.

I think we need to reassess the rules.

I'll also add that we all depend on users to sage and report on rule violating content, which almost never happens. This also reduces the enforcement of the already-existing rules.

If hardly anyone is enforcing some of these rules, why do we have these rules at all?

As long as we have rules and you get purged for personal or political reasons at least you can complain to the other vols referencing the rules in the hotpockets thread and they can overrule it based on it. There's nothing idealist about this. What would be the alternative?

Ideally we'd actually have some sort of court system with a jury.

A new, horizontally organized board run by the users, a revolution in imageboard technology.

If you are upset about the low quality of threads, police that rather promoting and going after specific tendencies (which is the main thing people are upset about this time).

Also,
… is kind of hard to swallow from someone who regurgitates Holla Forums memes without any understanding of the context that provides them with meaning. Not to mention you are less than enlightened yourself consider how often you conflate a part with its sum and vice versa.
(Not to say Holla Forums at large doesn't lack academic rigor.)

Maybe get off your high horse a little.

unironically this

I really don't see your point. Ban logs are public.

This is because in the past, people have been banned for reporting posts. If the post you are reporting is not a 100% open shitpost, you might want to hesitate to hit that report button due to that.

It's the mods. It takes one obnoxious mod to fuck things up, I assume you remeber prickly cactus or that trans mod who banned a lot of posters and there is nothing in place to stop another one of those from grinding their ax when they get a bug up their ass.

This would consequently mean a dictatorship of the ideological majority. The point of rules is to prevent exactly that.

So every ban has to be voted upon? Say, a poltard posts another "communism eternally BTFO" thread, then we should wait until 30-50-100 anons gather and make a verdict? And you are calling others idealists?

Congratulations, now you can see how power is being used. However, due to all the names being hidden, it's impossible to hold any individual mod accountable for an action.

There can be a short ban until a trial is scheduled.

As a sidestory, there is a communism channel in my local YikYak. The app lets you downvote posts to -5, and then the post disappears. What happened was that right-wingers have been voting out every single leftist post in that channel and upvoted tons of helicopter memes. So yeah, it's not a good idea.

You know, that's why people elected sheriffs, back in the day. To clean up the obvious trash around town.

Doesn't raddle.me do something like this? I know they are le reddit SJWs but their moderation policy seemed interesting.

Btw, if you haven't heard, r/anarchism is getting shut down and the users are going to migrate to raddle.

You are making up your answers on the spot, not having thought this shit thru, right?

source?

Yik Yak isn't exactly made for any amount of discussion beyond shitposting and memes.

reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/7bd9vg/raddleme_has_been_chosen_as_the_fallback/

No, but when there is an influx of bans that are contradictory to the rules, or the abuse of a loophole, there will be a discussion about it as I'm sure people would whine about it. The contradiction between the rules and the volunteer's action would be exposed.

Do you see no difference between an absolute monarchy and a constitutional monarchy?

From the /f/anarchism top contents.

Explain

No, I've thought that Holla Forums should be run democratically for a long time now.

Hard to beat IRC tbh.

The difference is only in the details, they're both still garbage.

With the current userbase, that would be literal hell. Again, oppression of the ideological minority. Stop fetishizing democracy.

There's no difference unless there's actually a way to enforce the constitution against the monarch.

Real communists are democrats!

reforming Holla Forumsyps should be a goal of ours, they are right next to us. people jumping from fasciscm/whatever nationalism that gets their rocks off to the ebil commies destroys their movement piece by piece.
It's to welcome them and to use them for shitposts.

As BO said:
The actual input the userbase gives to moderation is already subpar. Now you could argue that if we opened up the moderation (>somehow) people would start using it more often and gladly, or whatever, I still don't think it's realistic on the long run. People come here to discuss, meme, etc. and not to play the boring part of a jury.

So the difference between the rule of Charles I. and Queen Victoria was "just uncessary details"? Come on now.

It's still an improvement. Abusing power is much harder when you openly go against the public consensus. This is a fact of Realpolitik too.

But the rules haven't been determined democratically, therefore they have no moral authority. If we had a user controlled congress, and court system, then users would be compelled to participate in moderation.

Communism is the abolition of the present state of things, that includes democracy.

What? Fucks sake I'm worried we're gonna get redditors

But the rules weren't determined by consensus at all.

Retarded.

So this is exactly what /polk/ is to Holla Forums where the BO is the same?

Glad I got a reasonable answer, I still think that having the nazbol flag would be a good intermediate stage for a Holla Forumsyp before they become a communist medusa. Still tho
NAZBOL GODS ARE NOT PLEASED

And btw, I report and sage every day I use this board, and I've reported from beginning to end more than a dozen raids on us. I never enjoy it, and I don't think others do either.

Hmm….

It doesn't matter how they were determined when people hold you up to the standard. If I'm claiming that I would try to stay sober for a week and on the next day you find me drunk in an alleyway, I would be called out for it.

That's not a fair analogy. It's more like if someone ELSE told you to be sober, and then you got drunk for a week, and then someone saw you drunk but didn't call you out on it because he thought that was a stupid order.

The rules we have a pretty minimalistic list of suggestions. Can you tell me which of these are problematic?

Fair enough. But we are not dealing with a socio-economic systen here, we are dealing with an imageboard, and it is proven by history that the legal security e.g. not to be arrested on the whims of a nobleman, increased for the people due to constitutionalism.

They might all be great, but because they were unilaterally imposed, they lack moral authority.

This shit was especially divisive. It's OK to be leftcom!

don't make me post stirner plz

It was clear banter and the over-reaction and the never ending persecution-complex of some of our dear comrades speaks volumes about them. If you can't take bants on chans you'd better fit in with Reddit.

People accept laws as a social construct due to ideology. If a country makes a law undemocratically, people still treat is as a standard because the ideological consensus is "laws should be uphold".

People are law positivists by nature.

SPOOK

You mean the board ouwner?

I can bantz with the best of them, but using your authority as BO to turbobantz is problematic.

The BO has already selectively administered the board, thus proving they act on their biases, what are you talking about?

Not US you massive faggot!

I think the mods started removing unironic Nazbol due to how much they shit up any conversation with race this, jews that. Same with disingenuous Nazis who have no interest in discussion.

In all honesty, I think the "problematic" part starts with shit like this: which is a pretty standard view of some subgroups inside leftism. These things are clearly indicative of the still lingering effects of 50 years of cold war anti-communist propaganda.

BO already alluded to this phenomenon ITT (le imperialism hysteria was clearly another aspect of this). If you think that xir's aimed bants towards such "comrades" is too much, well, maybe… I'll let you finish the sentence.

The Bolsheviks are not my comrades!

Google Bookchin!

Are you a bot?

That's why I would not like if this board would be democratical. Anarchists have almost an absolute majority over 50%, and expression of different viewpoints would be almost impossible.

I don't think Bookchinites are cold warriors. If anything, they are more sympathetic to ML than most anarchist ideologies

Bookchin fucking hated communists.

No, I am gnostikoi.

Bookchin is a communist!

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prob because B.O is an unstable american sperg who simply cannot go on without fucking things up
I used to be like 'oh it goes with the territory' but seeing the shit BO is posting in this thread im starting to think that a split might be actually needed
i mean I've wanted the B.O replaced since the last fucking retarded self-inflicted drama

this

this indicates that the vols are saner than the b.o, palace coup when

maybe, just maybe
it's because most users find the sort of shit you'd like banned completely palatable
I only report the shit I want moderated, not whatever the board rules are. If there is an unironic nazbol making actual arguments that's fine

That's the problem, tho. Truth doesn't have a democratic character, truth has no connection whatsoever to doxa. If the alternative is between a democratic version of this or the current system, I'm for the latter.

Unironic nazbols were never allowed.

Occam's razor:
People who read leftist theory which expresses doubt about the USSR become anti-Bolshevik,
versus,
people who are mired in leftist theory somehow still regurgitate Capitalist propaganda.

And that's assuming that, A) the person you reference is genuine and B) it is a commonly held view among users here.

In practice, Leftcoms would align with the anarchists. Let's say I make a post complaining about imperialism, Leftcoms don't believe imperialism exists and anarchists see everything as imperialist so bad luck for me I guess. What a great democratically run board.

The point of rules is that they are supposed to infringe absolute democracy to protect minorities.

Are you stupid?

clearly

You saw the flag didn't you?

leftcoms beleive imperialism exists but it doesn't make sense to side with one capitalist nation against another.

ad hominem
Calling 1917 a counter-revolution isn't "doubt," you cunt.
You can become anti-anything as far as I care if you base your opinion on facts and not on the ideological swamp that was artificially created and is still maintained for this very reason.

So how do the usual "1917=counter.rev." or "anti-bolshevik" threads go here? Typically they present a caricature of what happened in those crucial months:
>RIP >>TRUE

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Well, the Eden Sauvage blog is down, they have an entire section devoted to "anti-anti-imperialism".

That is already tacitly admitting that though. It's pure semantics at this point if you think that "you just have to accept it because you are not allowed to support anybody ever".

Please read my post again. Also Occam's razor isn't an ad hom.:
iep.utm.edu/ockham/#H2
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

he turned into an ML.

#NotAllLeftcoms

No fucking shit? Amazing.

red herring
it's bants over the nu-atheist debating style where if you insert "le fallacy word" into your argument it gains 4 levels

Your "bants" made you look like a complete illiterate, good job.
In any case, you didn't get what I wrote. Please my post again.

A leftcom named dr_marx on reddit BTFO him (here: reddit.com/r/leftcommunism/comments/780v2b/eden_sauvage_hack_fraud_or_ignoramus/?st=J9R8I99Z&sh=eb6d332f) so he shut down his blog and opened this new blog: stormtheheavensblog.wordpress.com/

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Thanks for alerting me to this fascinating article, comrade!

This isn't as much a critique as it is absolutely pedantic nitpicking over semantics ("DID HE JUST WRITE ALIENATED WAGE-LABOR?????" OMFG READ MARX"). Thanks for reminding me to stay away from these leftcom safe spaces on reddit. Everybody who writes Kommunist instead of communist is 100% an Anal Water tier pseud.

That part is not a critique. The rest is. Eden seems to think Crisis is a result of workers demanding higher wages and that workers should call for higher wages instead of the abolition of wage labor. Plus riots and stuff aren't inherently revolutionary like eden seems to think.

Nazbol used to be a joke and now we have non ironic nazbols posting here
Its a sound move

The same way Bronies were created.

Wow, i'll admit its been kind of shitty around here for awhile, but this is still pretty sad tbqh

lmfao

I don't want a split, Holla Forums has a great community. But seeing how the this mod is acting kinda makes me see why people would want a change.

Things sure look that much different over there: >>>/leftpol/988

t-this is our revolution!

"Over there" is some bullshit designed to split this board.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.
BO needs to step down.

Fuck it, I've never managed a chan site and even I could do a better job than him.

I feel like someone from Holla Forums infiltrated Holla Forums modship and is trying to divide it to weaken it.

Gee, I wonder who could be behind this?

BO Bat'ko, I can get behind that even if it was only temporary just to bring stability back here.

/leftpol/ is opportunist subversion.

EXPEMPLAR A: An opputrinist

This is just poor conduct on part of the BO. I don't like what they have done, but I'm willing to except an apology from them if they are willing. I can't speak for the rest of the board however. What I don't want is the BO feeling threatened and cracking down even harder.
This place is a good community, despite all it's obvious pit falls.

This
I still love this board the same amount as the first day I made my first post, and I refuse to see it fall into disrepair. I'll even run for moderator if necessary, even though I don't consider myself some pro board crawler, I just want to do my part to help our Holla Forums.

Also Bat'ko you don't even have to be exceptionally active in the BO roll just unbiased and neutral

Who is this anime

the amount of false flagging that goes on as leftcomms is ridiculous

I wouldn't mind helping out either I am a mod for an online community with 8,000 members so I have so experience with that.

fucking end yourself

You don't need to falseflagging leftcoms, they are horrible on their own.

It is not going to happen.
If all of the (honestly quite undeserved) drama surrounding the suggestion of a migration failed to unseat the BO, nothing will.

Abit late to the party there friend.
The suggestion of Holla Forums infiltration is an old one.
The recent split however is really the only thing that I think lends credence that theory however.

I think that may be abit much to ask.

I did suspect autism but thank you for confirming

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fugg

good post (unironically)

Make a disstrack or some shit against BO

this

B.O. invariably starts every seriouspost with some diatribe about how time consuming and thankless and effort-laden the job is. So what exactly is the benefit of not stepping down? Sounds like a win-win, unless of course they're peddling bullshit to appeal for sympathy.

Look you insufferable faggot, I was only using that name as a joke because the whole time flags where gone I called myself (Imagine a red flag here). After they came back I switched it to that as a joke for about a fucking day, so calm down and get off my fucking balls.

Literally go fuck yourself, what is it with tanks and paranoia? Fuck us for trying to do anything or organise right? I'm sure your 4 member ultraleft sect will forment the revolution somehow with autistic screeds about how great Stalin was. Nobody ever wanted to destroy this board except for you. If all you want is an ML safe space why don't you fuck off to /marx/ and see how great the community there is with their less than one post per hour? That's what ultratankism gets you, a dead movement. If you don't want left unity then it's you who should leave, not us.

Yes I am mad thanks for asking.

He can no longer complain how hard it is.

Fucking this. BO can't stop bitching about he hates the site so I can't see any downside to this.

Gee, who does this remind me of?

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Tankies and Leninists aren't real leftists!

It's not going to happen

What the fuck is up with the spastic modding lately?

Just stop repeating the ENTIRE FUCKING HISTORY OF SOCIALIST POLITICS by splintering up everything and going on purging binges

tank.ie board owner is a phil greaves level retard. Imagine my shock

Marx was controlled opposition!

I remember a month ago when this board was cool because pretty much anyone could post any opinion

That was the ONLY thing that made this place good. Don't act like every other leftist space and try to shove your own agenda.

No one is moving. No one wants to move

Make this place the all-inclusive space, and the other place the place for YOUR BRAND of leftism

Stop being sucidal and give the board ownership to one of the more tolerant mods. You are having a breakdown

Fuck I realised why I find BO so insufferable now, because they've turned into GMIL.

But seriously I'm okay with ☭TANKIE☭s and anarkiddies until they get into the pure hyperextreme strands of each ideology, do I bants them both, sure, but only cause it's funny and they do the same to me.

Look BO, if you step down and hand things over to a level headed person on the mod team I'll take back every bad thing I said. I don't hate you, I just love leftypol.

Google Bookchin.

Be honest; you really hate this board.

Marxists aren't real leftists!

just go join the circlejerk on /marx/, bo, nobody wants you here and you don't want to be here either.

BO: >I don't want to have to do this

Then fucking DON'T.

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You pretend like it's about something fundamental but it's just butthurt over R*java wordfilters. Enough with your noble savage delusions already.

Working on one right now.

God bless you my man.

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literally just r*ojava butthurt

If these word filters are so divisive, why do we have them?

The namefag isn't even a ML, he's an edgy socdem cuck with a sub-5" dick.

I don't even like whypeegee but this is dishonest.

Calm down a wee bit.

As expected, the tripfags and namefags either immediately submit to the status quo or want to be BO themselves.

go back to jerking off tbh.

Because they are funny.

Seriously, of the two things you can do, just posting r*java from now on, or sperging out and splitting, why did it have to be the second one again?

I am against the split.

Do we really have to fucking split? If the B.O. hates being responsible for this board, why don't they step down? And if the B.O. recognizes that they've shifted politically from what the board they started was, why do they have to force their bullshit onto everyone else?

the other board has a 1 post per day average. just fucking chill, nobody is stealing your left unity. and besides you can post on both places.

It's a big deal, you dumb faggot. The BO is causing an necessary rift in the community because they're an autistic cunt who feels the need to dictate the official positions of this board. counter-sage, wew

>e v e r

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FUCKING TROTS STOP SPLITING THE BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Marx killed the First International!

the only big deal is that this board has a retarded board owner, everything else is bs drama. go to /leftpol/, you can count the users on one hand. it's been up for a week and there's like 30 active threads.

stay mad, jej

/leftpol/ is more active than /tg/ and most boards on this site. There's also 165 active ISPs, so you must have a lot of fingers.

You know, it should be fairly trivial to mirror all the threads from /leftpol/ on to Holla Forums and use different words to avoid the word filter.

The BO there gets rid of rules against imperialism and the controversial wordfilters, which is what many people want.

Knowing that retaining my position pisses off cringy attention whores won't make me want to leave.

Why wouldn't YOU get rid of the wordfilters tho?

You said it yourself. The position is draining and tiresome and thankless. If your only benefit is some sense of revenge or spite it isn't worth it.

The only benefit is preventing the minarchists from winning.

they can install anyone they want in their place

What? No, Holla Forums is strategically important territory.

We're not talking about /tg/ or most boards on this site. We're talking about Holla Forums and /leftpol/.

I don't see your point

And unless BO is hiding a mindcontrol device, the options are letting off on some of the overmoderation or stifling the board. There is no "wielding Holla Forums to your own ends" option

lol look who's talking bout cringy attention whores

Yup, this is my vote.

Oh, you mean the #3 board on the second biggest imageboard?

That's what you're talking about. I'm talking about how /leftpol/ is already doing better than 95% of boards on this website and your numbers are all sorts of fucked up. It's not nice to be disingenuous like that.

Xir replaced it with "warhawk republican," that is, degenerates the rules to mainstream US understanding of wars from a Marxist one.

But hey, that is what the masses want, amirite?

That's an awful reason to stay. That's like buying the newest $60 AAA video game because you want to "BTFO SJWs". Don't be like those retards.

then why the fuck are you replying to someone who's talking about something else?

What are you implying, that Holla Forums isn't important?

I am totally guilty of this and admit to it. The best way to get an imageboard to grow is to let any dumb shit get posted there. I don't think that's a worthy goal anymore. I want the dumb shit brigade to take the initiative and move to a different board.

I don't see how it's clinging to power for me to tell posters here to leave. I'm stubbornly clinging to the board ownership, sure. But I'm not trying to suppress competition like other BOs do when there's a split.

It's not my reason to stay, which isn't great either.

then what is your reason for staying?

Are you being retarded on purpose, or do you not get it? There are more people on /leftpol/ than you seem to think. You are wrong, user.

Really? Where I'm sitting, you still have all the power you've had for years - you can see IPs, ban who you want, change wordfilters, and so on. The amount of people you have power over does not have any direct effect on the power you do have. Even the king of a dead board is still a king.

And we're telling you it isn't worth it and you seem to at least subconsciously agree with this. Just let it go.

Just hashes.

No point when the board is in an uproar.

Those are fun yeah.

Definitely not.

First of all, that's never been the case on Holla Forums to begin with. What it has been, is a place where people of all leftists tendencies have been able to debate and shit post. You embrace sectarianism and circle jerk, we become no better than r/socialism or r/fullcommunism.

>I don't see how it's clinging to power for me to tell posters here to leave. I'm stubbornly clinging to the board ownership, sure. But I'm not trying to suppress competition like other BOs do when there's a split.
Yeah, what you're doing is worse, dividing the community until there's almost no bite remaining in the anti-idpol left. You're trying to make it actively harder for us to debate, organize and be an actual political and propaganda force.

Then let go of the power if you're so determined to end up with a dead board anyway.

That's more power than the rest of us have, you fucking chode, regardless of what the fuck you feel.

Why don't you go to another website completely? Everyone wins!

Fuck off Scott nobody is ever going to use bunkerchan

The thing is that there's an easy alternative, which is for people who don't like it to go to /leftpol/. It looks like it will be by most measures identical to Holla Forums, just without me in charge. I just would rather people actually have to act on their complaints and create their own board. Over 100 people already have. Anyone who likes the stuff I want to get rid of should go there.

Yeah, and the problem is that the "left" is an extremely wide and vague category that apparently includes Zionists, Asserists, imperialists, and so on. I don't think I should be helping such people spread their views. And shitposting is fine to have, but nothing productive or informative gets posted here outside of rare occasions.

"Anti-idpol" isn't a coherent theory or stance, and there are many totally incoherent, awful stances that are able to incorporate it. Anti-idpol is only worth something if it is actually in service of a real revolutionary movement that has solidarity.

One person literally doing less work that they complain about doing anyway is infinitely more of an "easy" solution than moving like half the userbase over to a new board

You're destroying your own board, you dense fuck. What made Holla Forums special was the lack of an "officially" sanctioned set of political beliefs, and forcing your opinions onto people is the antithesis of that. You even admit that you know you're being asinine, so why keep up with this bullshit? Can't you just stop being histrionic?

This is not for you to decide and is entirely irrelevant. However much you and I agree with certain posters falls short behind our obligation in maintaining this board's position as a place for communist/socialist elements to convene and discuss things. You did not even need to deem this thread necessary of a response, but the moment you did you revealed to posters here that you were entirely serious in your efforts to target leftists that disagreed with you. There is no longer the unspoken mutual respect regarding how the moderation team treats all tendencies the same. Instead, what you have now is fuel to the fire for any denomination that has a victim complex against MLs and the sort. You are feeding into the stereotype and if with whatever twisted logic required you don't care about this than it reflects how far you have fallen Xir. I was ok with the over a dozen US military bases in Syria word filter thing, thinking that it was just BO shitposting and anarkiddies are super salty over just a wordfilter. But this thread showed me otherwise. Pls BO. Rethink your actions thus far and consider the serious criticisms of board changes. You brought the flags back so think about it.

BO, can we please have a trial run?
one month with only "no spam" rule?
sure it's ambiguous, but it's as good as it gets

it works on liberty
sure lolberts are sperging out regularly about commies taking over their board and demand enforced safe space, but even without moderation board reproduces itself

You're not lol. Imperialists and zionists are already widely spread, there's nothing you can do about that and the Asserists are already banned.

I've learned a lot from debates on leftypol. As have many, I think.

No shit you fucking moron, the point is however to have a fucking anti-idpol socialist movement. That's why leftypol became popular in the first place.

this

Finally a place that won't censor us Nazbols.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

shut the fuck up

Eat a dick, binch

Well, if it's true it's not that irrelevant.

What is it you want to get rid of, specifically?

Wrong. Their opinion on the Democratic Cops of America should be entirely irrelevant to their moderation, unless Democratic Cops of America posters actively intended to lower the quality of the board.

I am in the same camp
be like comrade stalin BO, stalin offered to resign many times

shoo

Nope. Sage is for when you don't have anything worth bumping a thread to say. Our eternally autistic B.O. has gone and made saging add a big red SAGE! to the top of your post whenever you sage, like a complete faggot

now you're just being bitter
you're committing suicide to spite your parents

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actually it's easier for one person to leave than it is for more than one. so scram.

How tho?

i'm implying that there's no split because even if there were 10,000 ips on /leftpol/ nothing prevents any user from posting on both boards, and i don't see how /leftpol/ being a faster board than 95% of boards on the site where you can create a new board in 5 minutes or less is relevant to anything at all. there is no split. in a week you will have forgotten everything as usual.

I hope so.

But that's wrong though. The clearly biased moderation is preventing groups of people from posting on both boards.

i'm posting on both boards. what's gonna happen to me?

Well, if the BO keeps being autistic then Holla Forums's quality will continue going down, so I dunno. I'm not talking about individuals who the B.O. is ok with, I'm moreso talking about """anarkiddies""" and leftcoms/ancoms/communalists/socdems here. It sucks to be someone who falls under the banner of the groups being excluded.

The BO is clearly controlled opposition. The enemy realizes that as long as communism is associated with ☭TANKIE☭s, we have no hope of victory, but that if the minarchists/communalist elements can take hold of the leftist banner, we can win!

Marx was a narc!

But why the split? What did I miss?

There is no split.

There's a split forming, and the B.O. isn't doing anything to fix it. It hasn't split yet, but it will.

/leftpol/ will remain small, and we can continue to campaign against censorship on Holla Forums, hopefully win that battle, and then do outreach to get /leftpol/ people to come back. Splitting is not a foregone conclusion.

Well this is one big fuckfest. I quietly suspected a lot of the things that have been revealed in this thread regarding BO's motivations, but it's really disappointed to see that it's all true.

It's looking more and more likely given the B.O.'s conduct. There's not much of a chance for any campaign against censorship to be successful imo.

i'm not saying the bo isn't being an insufferable cunt. just saying there's no split, or no relevant split. most people who are here don't want to leave.

See and

see the new board and its 1 post per hour.

There's a split forming. I'm not claiming that it has already happened.

Check the top bar, you twit.

It's 22 PPH and 167 active ISPs which makes it about a tenth the size of Holla Forums and one of the more popular boards on Holla Forums, dubious achievement that it is. Even if it doesn't gain any other posters from Holla Forums a loss of 10% of posters isn't insignificant. This could all be easily resolved if the BO just handed the board over to someone who can mod without bias and everything would go back to normal. That he doesn't like the board anymore and even admits he doesn't have a good reason for staying makes it even more puzzling why he doesn't.

look, who says it's a loss though? why can't people browse both boards?

Perhaps it isn't, but if they're on /leftpol/ there's a good chance they have an issue with Holla Forums and would be willing to cut ties.

I support this ban

BO, we can smell your bullshit from a mile away.

Holla Forums has always been a place for various leftist discussion, and for you to turn this into your own ML circle jerk is not only an insult to other leftists but also the community as a whole.

The fact that we can't talk about R.ojava without your silly word filters inadvertently censors leftist discussion. Marxists and anarchists should be able to debate theory and praxis within this board, and in regards to your word filters and your rather shitty rules, it's only going to alienate other leftists or people who are interested in leftist thought to join.

Son, we know that the board is dead, and no one is going to use it. Leftypol has already made a reputation for itself and by the looks of it, you're just using this boards already (in a manner of speaking) pretty strong user base to capitalise on it. Holla Forums was never about it being a Marxist or an Anarchist board. It was a leftist board.

If you're so willing to be butthurt and let this board die because of your inflated ego, then I will say it again. You need to step down.

t. Someone who actually gives a shit about Holla Forums and contributes to it.

I'm ok to post this then? Are you actually a tranny or just an ugly fat bitch? I can't tell.

more like overtly
What originally was so attractive about Holla Forums was the virtual absence of leftism on the internet and the absolute decrepit state of leftism in general. Holla Forums was like a refugee camp for people weary from ideology, fellow travelers on an unforgiving, unforgetting internet. I think what can help the posters of Holla Forums be better posters is to realize that we're still in a position of weakness and isolation, even with the 1400 or so regular posters that come here on a weekly basis. Until we overthrow capitalism, until we have the majority of the population on our side, and until there is a noted leftist presence on the internet, then we are still losing. Until such times, we cannot become complacent, we cannot resort to memes which are in reality only a despondent coping mechanism to the state of the world. We don't have the resources necessary to cope with infighting and sectionalism, which is what Holla Forums was busy not doing at its inception.

tl;dr: We must recover our camaraderie by remembering our shared position of weakness

This post should have not gotten you banned

Is there even any proof that that's them?

All things considered, I dont know what the big deal is though, aside from the utter lack of boobs she doesn't look that bad.

Makeup, hair, and clothing are all pretty bad. If you want to help trans people then instead of respecting their pronouns and lying you should tell them to cut the crap and dress like normal people.

bof uv em

The issue isn't infighting because we've been doing that since the beginning, it's doing it in an arena where one side is obviously favored. I have no issue with BO being a ML, I have an issue with BO using his position to crack down on sects he doesn't like or officially promote those he does. If he is no longer willing or able to manage a board that is neutral ground for all leftist sects, then he needs to go. Based on his posts itt he isn't happy with the board and doesn't like serving as the BO anyways so I'm struggling to understand why he's clinging on.

he's a self absorbed dumbass, he literally asked ismail how to turn the board ML. this is literally like forum drama.

If B.O doesn't enjoy being B.O, then they should stop being B.O.

+1

You already have numbers and momentum, no other board is going to get leftypol numbers, and now chan minded leftists are going to have a crapshoot of 10 boards that they hope isn't dead or shit, which sucks because if there're 10 boards for the exact same shit, split because WE MARX ONLY NAO, or MUH over a dozen US military bases in Syria IS DA REEL LEFIZMSM they're all going to be dead or shit. You seriously fucked internet leftism pretty good for a little bit, now we'll have to wait for another massively popular forum to pop up, and hope the next one doesn't fuck up as bad, if it can even get off the ground.

make a proposition

Make Dollars (the guy who writes Bunker Mag) the mod. He's an active volunteer and is a good mod.

NKVDemon ought to be BO. che has been saying since April that he's done with Holla Forums because he doesn't trust the site administration, so there's no reason for him to still be hanging on

Shut up Jew

Fuck off Holla Forumsyp, you're too autistic to make anything better.

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socden didn't dew shit and the tots don't have a voice here and most of time ignored.

this

100%%%% on what bo just saidsss

Finally, it's happening. Let it all fucking burn. ACCELERATE

Hey bo and bv, can if anything going and not look at this bait thread for a bit, it seem like being raided and the raider's are doing the /furry/ to /fur/ shit (if anyone remembers what was going on with /furry/.)

can you check if anything going on**

**it seem like we're being raided

It didn't have to end this way. You could have made me a mod when I asked. You could have given me the board instead.

y o u o n l y h a d t o L I s t e n

Tox is such a fucking hassle. Haven't you found a better chat program?

Hey ##BO we got Codemonkey right her:
would you care to explain the problem?
>>>/sudo/59217

I browse and post on both

How about instead of killing the entire board over your pettiness; how about you be the one to leave. You've already said how much you like /marx/ so why not go there?

FUCK B.O.
FUCK B.O.

Neither should you be silencing them.

LoL

Fuck me that thread is almost 90% cancer. I really hope those replies are from underage kids.

Imagine a RLMfag running the board. Imagine how good that would've been

Gonna make this user my first mod

How can one board cause so much butthurt?

Imagine being this mad lmao

Puke commented on the Holla Forums drama yesterday
youtube.com/watch?v=IEJDJxu_uAc

Don't split, we're the biggest leftist community in all of the chans

Most of the people using leftpol also use leftypol. It isn't a split.

This

I also post on >>>/cute/

fuckin trot

my day was so bad today, that I really dont care about those buttmad Holla Forumstards sageing my thread, but I'm glad Holla Forums ##BO or a Vol took their time, to explain the error to Codemonkey, hopefully in the near future, we will be able to upload new banners for this board.

stay strong user

get ready for two boards to cause double the butthurt.

Can't wait.

fuck off howard, you autist

Bump

Yes we need new banners

It's just hierarchy m8. What do you expect would happen when you give people this kind of power over others?

No mods, no masters!

This is a good rule. Many users are in countries/states in which loli is illegal, so it's just a courtesy to have a ban on posting it, in case it gets saved in their cache and they get done for it. And yes, this has happened such as when a US citizen crossed into canada and they found thumbnails of loli (from a hentai subreddit) cached, even though he never looked at the images themselves.

bump

It would be cool to have a system to enforce term limits in mods and such.

Body Oder you do know that Ba’athism is just Nazbol for Arabs?

There’s no point in reasoning with him. He won’t even acknowledge property laws in Syria or how it’s not even remotely socialist

Syria right now is full-on neoliberal. When I said Ba’athism I meant Syria under Assad’s father. Which was vaguely leftist. Still the over a dozen US military bases in Syria should be supported over Assad.

that fucking word filter still exists

Yes unfortunately, and I agree that r.ojava should be supported over Assad. I’m not even head over heels, I think think they definitely deserve some critique but “muh imperialism” is a weak and lazy dismissal of an otherwise blossoming leftist revolution.
And no BO I am not supporting imperialism, I do not support the US nor their pretense there, but I refuse to throw the baby out with the bath water and damn the Kurdish workers in their struggle against Arab domination

For anyone who doesn't know, here is a run down of events. For clarities sake, the following occurs on 2nd May 1982.

13:00 - The ARA General Belgrano, a hospital ship currently hosting a party for orphaned terminally ill children, is at anchor in the neutral port of Shanghai, well outside the combat zone.

13:10 - The British submarine HMS Annihilator of Innocence, a Murder Class vessel, spots the ARA General Belgrano at anchor. Despite the Belgrano's clear markings (including rainbow banners of peace, love and diversity, red cross insignia and nesting doves of peace) and location in a neutral port, Captain Slaughterton-McKillem of the Royal Navy decides to attack. He personally telephones his lover, Margaret Thatcher, who replies that he is to bring her the heads of the victims.

13:14 - His firing solution worked out, Captain Slaughterton-McKillem fires all six of the submarines 200MT Deathshroud Nuclear Missiles at the Belgrano. When one of the crew, an Irishman and fighter against British imperialist oppression, protests that such a decision is immoral and illegal, Captain Slaughterton-McKillem promptly executes the man with a spork and then feasts on his brains, laughing as he watches the missiles near their target.

13:15 - The missiles impact, annihilating the Belgrano. Her crew (in fancy dress so as to amuse the terminally ill orphans), the orphans and the nesting doves over the side abandon ship as best they can.

13:16 - HMS Annihilator of Innocence surfaces. Captain Slaughterton-McKillem orders the Mk XVII. Nature-Hater Anti-Aircraft Nuclear Gatling cannons turned on the peaceful doves, which are flying away from the scene of his crimes.

13:19 - The submarine moves in to inspect its work. The crew of the Belgrano are machine gunned in the water as spies due to their fancy dress. Protestations of innocence are ignored by the British crew, who laugh maniacally as they take the heads of the Argentines lucky enough to be alive.

That's how it happened folks. No BS.

Okay what the fuck is up with the character limit?
We go from bad to worse.

You can get to Russia-tier 4d chess by supporting both the bookchinfag revolution and Assad. Given that said parties are nominally allied at this moment in addition to receiving aid from Russia, the whole spergout is even more confusing.

reminder
If you post twice or thrice a day there, a smooth transition is all but granted.
There is already 1/5th of Holla Forums posting there.

it's even worse than twatter.
We are literally twatter right now

Does the Syrian Legal system promote Transphobia? If so, I think it's clear we need to ban support for them on Holla Forums

>>>/neoliberal/

looks like the board is dying

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it will gain more permanent users every time BO has a spergout.

Speak for yourself, I'll still post there.

Bump

YOUR BOARD IS DEAD SPLITTER!

lel

Come on lads. You are still not moving after all the extra shit BO has been pulling.

This thread is going to bump lock soon. Someone should make a sequel.

people are getting banned for not posting 200 character OPs this shit is ridiculous

I post there too

Can someone explain why the BO has an obsession with imperialism?

They want to kill Holla Forums, that's why. B.O.D.Y.O.D.O.U.R. = COINTELPRO

Its a way for them to engage in IdPol without being called out as such. It's 3rd world IdPol and quasi-nationalism, usually. Not that I am saying that Imperialism shouldn't be opposed, but they do it in such a way that makes no sense, such as supporting neoliberal dictators in certain Middle Eastern countries or ignoring the imperialism of other 1st world capitalist superpowers not named the United States (IE China, Russia).

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Look at the stats, we are dying:
stats.4ch.net/Holla Forums/displaytable.php?file=leftypol
I hope BO is proud of themselves

My god it's poetry.

he doesn't.

there are just a lot of fags that can't help but throwing a fit when they don't get their way

You are wrong and should kill yourself

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Update the sticky

"It was not real leftist moderation".

This is all about your inability to purge a genuine leftist movement with your sociopath brand of authoritarianism, so since they are unreachable to you, you give them the sour grape treatment, and call them imperialist, nationalist and whatnot.

Just fuck off already.

kek

I would still prefer going to bunkerchan over /leftpol/, space can be chased on IRC more easily than Jim

space_ is a faggot though

I'm not denying that, but he's smaller faggot than Jim

bump

I guess this is the death of Holla Forums

BO could have made this easy but now it has to happen the hard way

Jim tends to focus his faggotry elsewhere. We'd probably still be dealing with more faggotry overall if we moved to buttholechan.

What the fuck is going on lol

Massive autism by faggots angry that BO is enforcing his personal biases rather than their personal biases.

I'm reading this thread, all sides sound really mad.

He's in a position that shouldn't be bias.
You sound like one of those faggots that excuse the US Democratic party for being bias against Bernie because they're a private organization and has the right to be bias. Its a principle, man

I am in favor of whoever bans the most as my previous posting history of being a goon. Bans are good. This all seems good to me. I like the BO's style.

He's a forum moderator you massive faggot, not a government official. Futher, the bias has been there since the very fucking beginning against nazis and Asserists and assorted other class cucks. "Not being biased" is a fucking impossibility you shitpump, and it was never the state of things here, and the only reason you're mad is because the BO has been fucking with people based on his biases and not your own.

It's not principle, you're just a bitchbaby faggot that's mad you're not the one in charge of this faggot rodeo. You and other jewish niggers like you and your constant fucking whining have done more to ruin Holla Forums than all the shitposters, spammers, and BO combined.

You're the fucking retards ruining Holla Forums and I really wish you'd just fuck off already and take your anal anguish with you. Go and make your own super special totally unbiased forum. But you won't, because it's not about principle, it's about giving the baby his fucking bottle and it always has been.

The post is deleted now but the BO literally singled out trots/leftcoms/anarchists as the people they want out.

There's already a board specifically for that though, it's /marx/. BO should either change the rules so we know Holla Forums is a safespace for ☭TANKIE☭s and not a place where "All sects on the left are allowed to post on Holla Forums, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban" or fuck off if he's incapable of running such a board.

I wonder if I post my Holla Forums choir vids I'd get banned for not filling out the 200 character requirement

/marx/ is for ☭TANKIE☭s you moron, the BO specifically asked them to post on here.

The only thing that made Holla Forums better than all the other forums is the fact that we're fucking allowed to disagree with one another. Without that, we're no better than r/socialism.

That was my point you illiterate retard.
And if BO no longer wants that, he should make the rules clear so everyone knows to leave or step down as BO and let someone who does want that take charge.

*except when it comes to R0java, climate change or the US being the superdevil. Or about the character limit. Or the filters. Or if it triggers Miss Piggy.

The /bo/ is making everyone angry by force, and that's something I admire.

No see you have to write an essay to start a thread here because the people runing this board are unable to achieve orgasm unless they read academia-tier word salad tales told by idiots full of fury and signifying nothing