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Socialism is a mode of production
David Gonzalez
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Angel Carter
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Aiden Garcia
Never in the history of the world has an entire class of people done something. "The bourgeois" didn't create Capitalism, that was individuals, often associated with the bourgeoisie but also from the aristocracy, the clergy, the peasantry, and other orders. It will be the same thing with Communism. Predicates (such as "doesn't own private property") are incapable of social action; only individuals are, though individuals are driven by predicates.
Ian Williams
What are you even imblying?
Blake Cruz
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Ayden Ramirez
Brainwash the proles until the superstructure is aptly resonant with the underlying base.
Angel Anderson
why are leftcoms clinically retarded
Leo Murphy
shit thread, kill yourself
Zachary Richardson
That abolishes the present state of things: production for exchange.
Hudson Robinson
S P O O K Y
David Ward
wot
Ayden Morris
If capitalism is a mode of production and not just the real movement which abolished the previous state of things, than socialism will also be more than the real movement to abolish the present state of things or at least close enough to be considered such by all but pedantic autists.
No, but ideology influences the aftermath of a revolution along with material circumstance. We can see this with the liberal revolutions and the Russian revolution.
Aiden Cooper
Ideology can fucking MOTIVATE and CATALYZE revolutions! If you disagree with this you are a moron.
Evan Davis
That was my point, but ideology can't win revolutions. Adopting Anarcho-Syndicalism or Marxism-Leninism doesn't grant resistance to superior fire power or tactics.
Blake Gomez
We agree, comrade.
William Morris
This but unironically.
Austin Phillips
Your boss might be a wage-laborer as well. Your boss isn't the one who controls the means of production, the shareholders are.
Henry Nelson
The boss is the one who is controlling me, without him the shareholders won't get their dividends. They are powerless without those who actually enforce their order. Wage-workers can be class-traitors, you know, just look at any cop or manager.
Jackson Richardson
Josiah Hernandez
I always thought movement here was used in the dialectical sense, and not the social. Which is it?
William James
If you kill your boss you'll just go to jail. If you organize for revolution, we'll all live in relative paradise.
Ryan Hill
I'll kill the police too and burn down the prisons.
Leo Sullivan
No you won't.
Oliver Wood
Capital is controlling you, your boss and the shareholders, you fucking idiot. Read Marx.
Jackson Wilson
That was a good quote until the last part, WTF?
Adrian Kelly
Capital is not a physical entity, I cannot force me to act in a way that reproduces it.
Kevin Morales
You are free to starve, of course, but most people don't want to, and so the system wheels on.
Christopher Turner
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Josiah Stewart
Socialism is love, socialism is life.
Benjamin Adams
Socialism: just do whatever the fuck you want.
Robert Sanders
What kind of leftist are you?
Robert Adams
socialism is just the workers owning the means of production.
communism is the common ownership of the means of production and abolition of state, law, class and money, etc.
Marx didn't came up with the concepts, they're way older. Read a book.
Jackson Flores
AKA LeftComs.
Lincoln Foster
He's talking in the context of capitalism.
Matthew Lopez
This
Leo Lopez
You are all fools, TRUE socialism is raising the minimum wage by one cent.
Gabriel Flores
The hell of capitalism isn't that the firm has a boss
Sebastian Lewis
you're made of the same stuff Holla Forumsacks are made of.
Jace Turner
Where most of the people was farmers.
Isaiah Morales
you fucking retards, the form of production isn't the fucking problem, production under capitalism IS socialized, the problem is exactly property and organizing production.