Wrong, its not like they are an inevitably. There are real things we can do to convince them to leave.
First, let them know that they are going against the laws of Islam by living in a non-muslim country. The prophet Muhammad himself said “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” more information in the link below islamqa.info/en/13363
If that doesn't work, we can generally make them feel unwelcome. No special accommodations, no halal food or whatever. Don't let them normalize the hijab, and in general do everything you can to make it clear that they aren't welcome
As for what we can do collectively, I'd think rallies and maybe form groups and go to mosques to politely let them know they aren't welcome, both by us and thier own prophet.
We can not do anything violently. And we don't need to do anything violently. If there's violent backlash, good. That just makes us look better
Mods don't delete/anchor this thread. This is simply for discussion and just because it offends you doesn't mean it's not allowed
It doesn't offend us Holla Forums, Saudi barons keep Islam alive to control their population
Lincoln Thomas
I'll paraphrase something I posted earlier:
I'll be more interested in opinions about how illiberal and cruel Islam is when the West stops the wholesale butchery of the Islamic world. Did you ever stop to think that maybe to them we're the terrorists?
Just look at Chris Hitchens or Sam Harris to see how modern anti Islamic sentiment cannot be separated from imperialism. The moral pronouncements about Islam inevitably lead to the advocation of wars of aggression against the Islamic world and provide cover for the deathlovers and vultures.
Blake Brown
More like "Israel leads to wars against the Islamic world" because that's actually what happens. Furthermore Muslim hatred against the Western world is closely linked to our backing of Israel.
Jacob Brooks
The primary incentive remains capitalism though. Denouncing Muslims as uncivilized barbarians just let's liberals feel good about themselves.
Sebastian Cook
I know a lot of you aren't offended by it but I was banned for a long time for this before. Also I'm not Holla Forums
I'm not talking about foreign Muslims, I'm talking about western Muslims.
Ryan Martin
Tbh we should start taking all the turbans of the Sikhs, kippahs off the jews and make buddhists eat meat too, because faith offends me.
Take off my cross? HOW DARE YOU!?!
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It's almost like there were progressive, Secularist movements in the ME and imperialists made a habit of trying to destroy them with all their might [pic related], But yes single out hte muslamics because reasons.
Caleb Rogers
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John Jackson
It's a meme ya dip
Dylan Jackson
this has some good idea on how we should approach the subject
Evan Roberts
I would say it's mostly Arab hatred. The Anatolians and Kurds don't really care that much.
Justin Russell
i have seen more rafiq sceencaps posted this weekend than i have over the whole of october, what's going on big guy?
Adam Sullivan
Well, Arabs are doing most of the terror attacks, no?
Easton Wright
Leftcoms are unironically the biggest spergs out of all leftists.
Jose Myers
Ok. Earlier this week I hung out with my Muslim friend at his house (with two other white friends) and we played video games. They were playing Persona before I got there but I wasn't really into it so they were fine with switching to Far Cry 4. Did I ever get the feeling my friend was plotting the downfall of western civilisation? No, not really. If anything, he's more liberal than I am (as opposed to leftist). He doesn't really think about politics that much, or, I would guess, religion. He's obsessed with LoL and we make fun of him for it. I guess the point I'm getting at is, I don't see where the big problem is here.
Aiden Wright
Then why are they coming to the west in the millions?
Jaxson Fisher
We ruined their countries, so it's our duty to give them citizenship.
Elijah Anderson
literally lurk more bordiga is becoming mainstream, see
Kayden Russell
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Landon Lopez
This doesn't make any sense, why flee into the lions den, why not to the safety of your fellow muslim brothers like in saudi arabia, iran, egypt, indonesia and so on?
Julian Davis
They also are justified in taking revenge on us.
Brayden Hall
The West doesn't drone strike itself (yet), we wouldn't put up with the violence we commit if it was on our doorstep.
Gabriel Reyes
Fleeing islamist violence by going to Saudi arabia is like fleeing the nationalists in the Spanish civil war by going to Italy.
Liam Bailey
There's nothing wrong with pedophilia though.
Mason Ross
Islamism is a dangerous, reactionary political ideology and should be rejected full-stop. It's as bad as everything coming from the traditionalist right. It's incorrect to lump Enlightened muslims and islamists together though. nervana1.org/2016/03/31/the-plight-of-non-islamist-muslims/
Jaxon Butler
Communists are probably the single worst thing to happen to Islam. Its state enforced Atheism or bust.
Jose Reyes
Nah, I'm here pretty much all day every day (desk job I can go online during), and there's definitely been more low quality Rafiqposting as of lately. It's obnoxious, because they honestly seem really pseudointellectual and I don't get the obsession people have with him
Julian Perry
By your own admission, muslims don't necessarily follow the prescriptions of the Quran by the very act of being in the west. Therefore, whatever "islam" has to say on any specific topic would appear to be moot without a look at the actually existing practice of it. Yet your whole project of ethnic cleansing is based on the idea of this disembodies "islam" being incompatible with socialism or whatever, without any reference to the existing realities on the ground.
2cognitivedissonance4me
Benjamin Ward
yes, good worker. you are a very good worker by supporting islamic immigration and thereby my halal meat trade, now go spread some more of those "customerrefugees welcome flyers"
Hitler didn't drone strike the jews but that sure as hell wasn't a reason for them to flee to germany when the nazi's invaded france.
Fleeing western violence by going to the west is like fleeing the nationalists in the Spanish civil war by going to Italy.
Wyatt Flores
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Adrian Peterson
Why are people defending islam here?
Bentley Gutierrez
spooky, almost as much as OP
Aiden Perez
posters here defend other religions too, unfortunately. what do you think about that, not-Holla Forums?
Eli Evans
Sadly for you, we're nowhere near that stage. You're much less likely to die from a western bomb or western-sponsored terrorist in the west than in some region the neocons are war profiteering in. And there's hardly going to be death camps in the west for muslims. Much like colonialism of old, the war on terror is nestled in dogma that makes it seem like a civilising mission, so that kind of ugliness can't happen anywhere near home.
Adam Allen
Fuck off reddit.
Christian Price
Really, it's probably Rafiq reposting screencaps of their shitposts for self promotion.
Kevin Flores
You're a racist.
Again, it's our duty to accommodate more Arab Muslims to at least attempt to atone for our invasions and our failure to install Communism and stop Imperialism, and we ought to be thankful that they aren't engaging in more terror attacks, given that we do worse to them and also agitate to expel them all the time.
because we aren't racist pieces of shit? Anti-Islam is code for anti-Arab.
All Middle-Eastern wars are fought in the name of Israel. The Civilizing Mission is just marketing to the general population.
Hudson Fisher
That if OP wasn't an obvious false flagger nobody would defend islam. Nobody defends Monks nobody defends the jews on here.
Josiah Garcia
sweeden pls
Adam Brooks
Nice try, but that's not how it works: unless you honestly think the goal of the bourgeois here is to get money from selling halal meat. Let me guess the Jews fleeing pogroms in 1890s Russia was because they wanted to push a kosher industry in the west yea?
I mean a lot of the violence is perpetrated by Turkey, the Sauds and Iran so yeah no. you honestly think a Pakistani farmer is going to get drone-strikes in Luton? No? Then you have your answer why they come to Europe than other third world states.
Ian Robinson
There's a reason people have multiple interpretations of the same religion. You can get rid of one form of it, but it will rear its head under another guise. It's because it's more about spooks than the actual dogma. I rather just get rid of Islamofascist. It's a much more reasonable goal, and as long as they aren't imposing their mindset on an entire population, I'm fine.
Brandon Evans
Yes, and those Communist states don't exist anymore. Contemporary anti-Islam is pure racism.
Oliver Bailey
t. Rafiq
Brayden Hughes
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Landon White
No. You fucking idiot.
Anthony Phillips
unironically see
Jose Bell
What post? this ?
Julian Richardson
Wow, a few token one-offs sure prove your point.
Aaron Long
Not an argument.
Blake Watson
I don't think everyone critical of Islam is a racist but everyone critical of Islam provides ammunition for warmongers that far outweighs any kind of good that could come from the criticism.
Carter Mitchell
No the one I linked you dolt.
Tyler Torres
That sounds awfully anti-materialist of you
Oliver Thompson
This. Arab Muslim is no worse than contemporary Western culture, really. Most of the bad stuff in the Islamic world is funded and backed by our countries anyway, so in a way our culture is probably more evil.
William Garcia
No. I never said that we should invade them or some shit. Just don't fucking build mosques with saudi money in sweden
Shit.
Again why are you defending islam?
Josiah Torres
I'm not sure if you are really this retarded, or just pretending
Ayden Rogers
First sensible thing said. Saudi Arabia can die in a hole and the only way to do that is to starve it.
Levi Russell
Where does Saudi money come from? Protip: Western countries buying its oil and propping it up. It's our fault.
Caleb Hughes
I see, we're at the stage that muslims prefer to come to their butchers, then to their brothers in faith. This begs the question though, why would the butchers of muslims give those very same muslims homes, education, healthcare and welfare out of their own funds?
No, that's what the poster of that meme thinks. He won't get droned in Belarus either, so why move to Luton when he can move to a country that isn't dronestriked and does not conduct dronestrikes in Pakistan either?
Carter Harris
Good image
Jeremiah Reyes
Was hitler new york jews fault?
Christian Parker
not if it comes from an internally cogent marxist argument such as
Logan Flores
No it's no one fault but the system that allows this kind of shit, otherwise
Carter Phillips
Then you are a dolt. The MIC gains from any conflict started by any nation, be it for the sake of actual colonialist imperialism, against other european powers, against "communists" or in the ME.
Because Belarus is an economic shithole that is still a dictatorship.
Joshua Green
They deserve at least some level of compensation for the atrocities visited upon them by Western countries, you piece of shit. Not everyone in the whole country is an imperialist butcher, some of us can see the value in at least partially giving reparations to Muslims for our failure to stop imperialism.
No? Why would that be the case? We give Saudi Arabia lots of money and military support.
Caleb Fisher
You don't have to, a climate of Islamophobia contributes directly to the efforts of murderers.
What will make your criticism of Islam somehow new and fresh and not what the normal rightists say?
Are you expecting me to defend Saudi Arabia etc? Yes of course there's also an economic aspect to it, if someone offered you a job at 50c an hour and one at $20/hr I know which one you would take too, even if the other job 'belonged to someone else' or whatever. Is economic immigration a good thing, probably not, but can I really find it in me to hate the people who are just making the best of what our bourgs did to them, not really.
Lincoln King
kill yourself false flagging Holla Forumsyp
Nolan Campbell
Not defending Islam in the slightest, just pointing out that the directions religions take are the result of material conditions. The dogma is mostly a justification and cover, what it emerges from is what matters.
Adam Morgan
Should I endorse religion and the canon of the shariaa because of this? No. I endorse their anti imperialist struggle but it ends there.
Colton Torres
What a joke.
Noah Evans
That's how all the fucking liberals in this thread sound
Xavier Davis
Admitting that it's NATO's fault that they came here. NOT MINE, I do not need more religious fanatics in my country, there are too much Christians already. How the hell can I organize people against NATO if their actions are used by state propaganda as justification of further wars?
Carter Davis
Bin Laden was a CIA proxy from day one, and never stopped being one.
What have you done to stop imperialism lately? the blood of every droned Muslim in the Middle East is on your hands.
Liam Peterson
Spooky af
Connor Brown
There is literally nothing wrong with pedophilia.
Gabriel Watson
This, be against the system not the player. American, european or arab it doesn't matter. We seek to destroy the system that allows this shit, civilians and workers shouldn't pay the consequences. Self hating is borguoise
t. islamophobic. Are you anti arab user? that's how stupid you sound
Isaac Martinez
What business is it of yours to 'criticise Islam' in the first place? If it affects you personally then fine but as a westerner you're in a much better position to oppose western imperialism than to somehow try to be a reformer for a religion you aren't part of, any effort you spent complaining about Muslims is a waste of energy. If the situation was different you'd hear me say different but Rafiq is full of shit and probably a schizo (self-important rambling on and on), he barely mentions imperialism in passing in that whole diatribe, when it's the central issue. I don't have this attitude because I think brown people are incapable of change but because we're the ones killing them and making change impossible regardless. It's nothing but hypocritical for us to lecture them on how to be good people.
Henry Watson
yes, because I'm in position of power you spooked libshit
Michael Torres
You have more power over that than you do influence over Islam
Hunter Lee
booty blasted polyp confirmed.
Robert Sullivan
Muslim detected
Charles Anderson
I'm defending Islam, dude. Not sure how you read "hating Islam" from my posts. Our countries are worse than any Arab country would be without our cultivation of jihadis and backing of Saudi Arabia.
Nice deflection.
Logan Peterson
See, the first world is using the hijab as a simbol of liberation. That's what I'm againt. Not what they do in their country, I never fucking said that we should bring secularism in saudi arabia. We should bring it here in the first world and stop glorifing it. And btw we love it because of self guilt, but instead of going against the sytem liberals prefer falling for these gimmicky shit
Mason Brooks
If I had influence over Islam, I would organize their communities to track and persecute troublemakers so they would stop scaring normies. Go back to reddit, fucker
Christopher Ortiz
If you're pro Islam, they'll destroy the west and communism will win. If you're anti-Islam, communism will destroy the west and Islam will win.
Either way, the west will be destroyed.
Grayson Sanders
fuck off
Jack Richardson
Thank goodness.
Samuel Sanchez
my mistake
Joshua Morgan
This is retarded. Dialectics don't work this way
Landon Bell
We are all guilty of implicit support for imperialism by failure to stop it, though.
Jaxson Reed
Who's forcing your mother to wear a hijab? What are you actually scared of or complaining about?
Yeah well, they probably think 'if I was a westerner I would lynch Bush and Blair' and so on but things aren't that simple are they. Fuck yourself first.
If that's what you want to believe then go for it.
Joseph Jackson
Like how funeral services are all operated by serial killers… It's almost like they're just moving to the places where they are given the most cash instead rather than fleeing from the big bad west.
Hello, I am western government. I really do not give a shit about muslims dying in dronestrikes, but I do care about spending billions on them when they come to my country. Why I am so contradictory, I don't know, but it's true because I'm bad and all the muslim refugees are coming to me because I'm killing them, it's 13232143343525454d chess you see.
If I ware an afghan pleb being gifted with a house, what amounts to a years salary in one month in welfare and free healthcare for reaching sweden, then neither would I take pity on the fools and refuse their offer. My accusation is therefor not aimed at those who make use of such stupidity, but those who allow them too.
Cooper Smith
Europeans owe them at least that much considering it's their fault that Afghanistan is shit.
Ryder Howard
then commit Sudoku. Muslims are no more our friends than Christians.
Robert Peterson
That's not true at all. For example, 25% of Lebanon's population are refugees.
Aiden Perez
Christians are worse. Who started the wars? Christian Zionists, mostly.
Ayden Hughes
You're a fucking brainlet my dude. Muslim immigrants increase the supply of labour and increase pressure on wages (downward) and property prices (upward). That's a good thing for employers. Meanwhile it's the taxpayer paying for refugee benefits (which are nowhere near as generous as the Mail tells you anyway), not the rich. The rich are profiting from selling bombs and jets to the government, which is making a huge loss on the whole thing. Can you not separate the interests of the bourgeois from the interests of the government?
Lincoln Brooks
What's the agenda here? This is obviously Holla Forums, but are they trying to destroy muslims or the left, and it's pretty well known that they hate both equally.
It's not like they don't do it. Saudi does it Hitler loans were from americans, is americans fault? No, as much as I would like it it's not. They'd do the same in our position. Is not the country or the people. It's the system that allows this shit the problem
Andrew Fisher
Are you referring to the Palestinians from the first arab Israeli war or from Syria? The former is because they were literally fleeing advancing troops and expected to return very soon to their homes. The second is basically the same, also considering to get to Europe many of them will die they stay in Lebanon, close to their homes that they intend to return to.
Joseph Bailey
Holla Forumsyps don't really think that far to be honest
William Russell
Whose vassal is Saudi Arabia?
American race laws in particular were an inspiration to Hitler, loans aside.
Dominic Morgan
don't underestimate Holla Forumsyps, or the power of autism and hate
Matthew King
I think they're trying to ebin redpill those lefty libs on Holla Forums
Michael Reyes
You don't have to buy into the 'religion of peace' shit, that doesn't mean you have to jump on the Sam Harris train either.
Also, money talks, is the person holding the gun responsible? Sure, but the person who sold it to them isn't innocent either. When we pour billions into the Saudi coffers we know it'll be used to fund terrorism - when we give billions to Israel we know it'll be used to fund the murder of Muslims. When we build BAE Systems jets we know they'll be used to kill the innocent.
Joshua Peterson
That's exactly what someone caught red handed would say
Andrew Baker
Whose vassal is Hitler?
Where did I do that? did I say nuke the muslism? Holy fuck.
Adam Collins
what's your problem? that muslims fight back sometimes?
Nolan Hill
You are all pathetic. Both you and your muslim pets need to shoved feet first into woodchippers. Reading this thread disgusts me.
Joshua Foster
Germany was a great power, Saudi Arabia, not so much. Everything is bankrolled by the US. This is pure deflection from Western countries' responsibility for the carnage in the Middle East - from the leaders down to every citizen who implicitly supports it through tax dollars, anti-Islam hatred, Zionism, and so on.
Gavin Richardson
Sorry let me prove I'm not a Muslim somehow. Fuck off.
When you say 'they're backwards, they're dangerous to the west, they're not like you and me' you're de facto supporting the rhetoric of imperialism.
Too bad you guys get chased off every time you try to organise eh?
Joseph Taylor
I just love how leftists claim to be for feminism yet willingly allow muslims into their countries. Even so called moderate muslims would be considered ebil patriarchal scum who deserve to be castrated if they had white skin. Feminism is nothing more than a tool to dominate civilized men while women enjoy getting raped by third world savages.
Carson Gray
Westerners are more violent than any Muslim, they just institutionalize it and pretend it's not their fault. Nazis are a good example of this. You deserve the terror attacks, really.
Christian Evans
This, we need to stand in solidarity with Muslims against imperialism and recognize our complicity in it.
Xavier Evans
Where did I said that tho? Where the fuck did I say that you son of a whore?
My problem is that your mother is stupid whore you fucking idiot. Where the fuck did I said that?
Jesus fucking christ this board during american hours. I don't like islam=/=supporting imperialism. No I do think that islam is shit and shouldn't be allowed HERE in the first world or in an eventual socialist country. I didn't say we should spread our secularism in their countries.
Parker Gomez
If you analyse it objectively your correct. The counterargument is mostly based on optics, because the muslims don't fight in the correct way, like say starving thousands of yemeni children to death for literally no reason while hiding behind saudi arabia.
John Martinez
How the fuck can I tell who said what with the flags gone? But you're whining about the hijab and wanting to 'criticise Islam' for encroaching on the west, how else can I describe your view?
Charles Thompson
Poetry.
Our countries are a plague that deserve nuclear cremation.
Zachary Bailey
Sorry for not getting sufficiently bootyblasted and lamenting the destruction of evropa (is that the correct spelling?) at the sight of a hijab, you twat.
Matthew Stewart
This thread is half muslim imperialists practicing taqqiah and white libcucks inundated with white guilt groveling before them. Take notes, kiddos.
Bentley Richardson
The only Muslim imperialist countries are US proxies.
Chase Lewis
Why the fuck should I take the advice of a Nazi on what's threatening liberal values?
Landon Peterson
surely a self identifying nazi couldn't have a dubious ulterior motive
Joseph Cox
I have no ulterior motive. Mine is out in the open. Your "muslim allies" are the ones who are not forthcoming, and you will continue to fall for it right up until they are levying a dhimmi tax on your empty little heads.
Dylan Davis
We owe them at least as much.
Jose Johnson
Good fucking god. So much projection, everybody knows that Nazis are the most untrustworthy ideology in existence, you're born liars.
Wyatt Smith
Yeah at this rate maybe in 2000 years, problem is we're on track for humans to be extinct in 300 so it's not a great plan.
Jack Sanders
We make our intentions of violent ethnic cleansing of European lands perfectly clear I'm afraid.
Why is this word dropped so much on leftist boards anyway? Very telling.
Grayson Jackson
If anything its native Europeans that deserve cleansing for what they've done to the rest of the world.
Kayden Diaz
You can try baboon person, but you will fail. You are our play things. Run along now.
Michael Richardson
looks like someone's afraid of the BBC
Samuel Wood
I'm white, dude. We deserve it. Nazism is the logical endpoint of all Western thinking - it is irredeemably evil.
Liam Martinez
>>>Holla Forums
Julian Anderson
Who's we? Send them to live in Jewish areas.
Jeremiah Kelly
There's a reason people hate you Jews.
Wyatt Diaz
Yet you are banging down the door to live in Western Nations because yours is a fucking shithole.
Bentley Phillips
Go live in a Muslim nation.
Ryan Jackson
Holla Forums is furious because I correctly identified their complicity in imperialist massacres but they don't want to do anything about it and are uninterested in atoning for it.
Grayson Perry
Why not leave it to private security companies? Or why not put bounties on the terrorist's heads?