"It's fucking 1917 and counter-revolutionary forces...

How do you feel when confronted with the fact that nobody in the world outside of few 3rd world countries even think your radical marxist movement is relevant to the social context of today? Capitalism of today has successfully responded to socialist demands of yesteryear and given basic healthcare, worker's rights, unions, vacations, pensions and other benefits to most workers in most 1st world countries. You guys love to just rant and fucking rave how feminism is redundant because women have all the rights, but what if socialism is redundant too, when workers have their benefits covered? It's not as if they get killed by military if they demand higher wages.

Look out to the world of 21st fucking century. There are refugees in Europe who sleep on the soccer fields. Climate change is causing massive storms and forest fires that wipe out entire islands. Black people in us are being incarcerated for shitty victimless crimes in numbers that Stalin with his gulags could only dream of. Automatization and outsourcing that renders entire industries empty of human jobs.

Out of all these problems, you only choose to focus on arguing about the outcome of a fucking spanish civil war, about SJW's (cry me a fucking river, as if anyone even listens to these people anyway) and defending USSR. Face it, issues you worry about have no connection with reality. That is why you have no luck with real life organizing - because purity of your snowflake tendency must come first at all times, and real issues come second.

I like you guys much more than Holla Forums, because Holla Forums would ban me for even raising question such as this, but if you don't get your shit together, this place just becomes alternative kind of shitposting route to bitch and moan about "MUH EEEDH PAUL". World is going to shit day by day, stop pretending like your little bookshelf of 20th century books has all the answers to the problems we are facing in 21st century and get to reading again, but something actually fucking relevant this time.

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Black people don't really get arrested for "victimless crimes". Most the of the black guys who end up in the big house for "marijuana possession" are small time piece of shit drug dealers taking plea deals. Black people are generally bad news the moment you start talking about them anyone who actually works for a living just drones you out.

Hope this helps.

Ban this poster.

we dont ban fash unless they are posting in bad faith.

read this
ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

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those things weren't 'given' by 'capitalism;' they were demanded by organised labour and conceded by the ruling classes. they were not gifts made out of generosity
most people on earth live in misery and deprivation. people in the u.s. don't even have guaranteed healthcare. what you're saying is just silly
usually because capitalism has destroyed their countries' economies
all caused by capitalistic industry, which deliberately ignores or denies its effect on the natural world
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex
because capitalists are always looking to reduce or eliminate labour costs
this is just dumb. wealth inequality is the primary issue affecting humanity. everything stems from the fact that most people have little or nothing, while a tiny minority has all the wealth and the benefits it brings

sorry to be blunt, but everything you've said is just incorrect

Because the elite had to keep capitalism attractive with the communist threat. And still very reluctantly after bloody streets battles.
And now the USSR is gone, all thoses protection are slowly eroded away to leave room for the free market.

No it hasn’t. It responded to social democrat demands, and in a half-assed way, and only in Europe.

You’re post is almost all pure ideology. I agree Marxists (not all socialists) have to modernize, but your reasoning is rock stupid.

Name me one thing about modern late-capitalism which isn't exactly the same as Lenin explained in "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism".

You are probably a socdem or some "21st Century Socialism" moron.

Feels bad bruh
Of course those things took fighting to get to, but the end point is that these demands permanently shaped capitalism to be accommodating and already set a precedent for further demands. Bigger problem is asking if people still want more to be achieved - many people in burgerland seem to not even want a working healthcare.
Capitalism seems to benefit countries like Saudi Arabia to a great deal, at least the porkies over there live in gold and luxury, and I haven't heard Saudi Arabia suffering from any meaningful disasters besides human rights violations. I'd go step further and say that burgerland imperialism destroyed those countries.
Soviet union contributed to pollution and waste at their peak to a great extent, and they weren't "capitalist". How exactly would you think that socialist economy wouldn't be contributing to natural disasters? Just bringing this up since I've read about ancient empires and such who didn't practice capitalism but still fucked up the environment, like for example how Roman empire managed to kill entire populations of north-african exotic animals for hosting gladiator games.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex
This is a burgerland example tho. I could bring examples about capitalist societies like Scandinavia and their comfy prisons.
Isn't eliminating human element from tedious jobs one of the goals to achieve FALC?
solving wealth inequality requires building up productive forces, which could be done only under capitalism. Even the chinese realized this as of recently.

Are you retarded?

What's happening in China is primitive accumulation, the majority of the productive forces in China are light industry for making cheap plastic crap for Western countries.

I don't understand this one. The countries which did the whole revolution thing always failed, but scandinavia with their succdemism looks pretty comfy. How can we ensure that when a really big crisis hits, we are reaching out to socialism and not just going back in time with sticks and stones again, going through feudalism then again reaching to capitalism? What if the only real way to achieve FALC is worldwide capitalism building up productive forces to an extent where all pre-conditions for advancing to communism are fulfilled? Because if you take a socialist from 19th century and put him to 21th century, life with all this welfare, workers rights and shit looks closer to socialism than what he had back in his time already.

See, they are smarter than USSR already, and know there is a demand for this kind of plastic crap, a lot more than mining coal in the Ural mountains or whatever.

not true. there's nothing permanent about it. the forces of reaction are constantly trying to undo the positive changes made over the years. for example one of the central the goals of the republican party is to undo the new deal and get rid of social security. the business sector has been successful in deregulating the economy and making things better for them at the expense of the working class
yes and we call those who don't "classcucks." this ideology is a serious issue and often discussed here
because a lot of people these days, especially those interested in alternative societies, are much more conscious about the environment than people were in the past. socialistic industry also focuses on production for use and need rather than production for exchange and just overproducing piles of crap that ends up in a landfill
the op specifically mentioned american blacks. scandinavia is obviously far more socialdemocratic

thanks for reply fam

Ban all dash, this is a leftist board.

Nice joke pal.

How do you feel when confronted with the fact that the 20th century ended 17 years ago?

That the welfare state is on the retreat and neoliberalism is the new order of the day?

The 6 individuals now control as much wealth as half the world?

That living standards in the "1st world" are rapidly declining?

That the only reason why capitalists ever responded to socialist demands was because they were scared of the Communist Bloc?

That the underlying cause of all the modern shit we're supposed to be so concerned with is, in fact, the capitalist mode of production?

It's depressing, but the decay of capitalism is the great hope. Things are going to get very bad, very quickly, even in the advanced countries, and chaos creates opportunities.

When the Great Depression hit, people didn't have the Great Depression, the succdem recovery, and the neoliberal rollback to consider as historical examples, so maybe this time people won't be pacified by some dipshit trying to cut the New New Deal.

I think you expect too much. Better push harder to convert liberals

"Capitalism" doesn't mean anything. It's just politicians responding to public outcry. Under socialism public outcry gets you grabbed and tasered in the pussy.

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Gave? Capitalism didn't gave nothing to the workers. The workers FOUGHT for Social Security, FOUGHT for vacations, FOUGHT for healthcare, FOUGHT for better work condition, FOUGHT for better sallaries. People died for all thsoe of those things you retarded centrist scum.
Those things aren't priveleges, they are CONQUESTS.
And in 20 years they are all being taken away. Pufft…and nobody cares.