I don"t know if you guys are up to speed, but shit in Catalonia is getting worse by the moments and the spanish government is going full blown fascist and going to intervene catalan government, education, media and police by friday.
Given this situation our President Puigdemont is most likely going for an unilateral declaration of independence and it is very likely that things will get ugly.
There are +18k spanish police stationed around catalonia, the ones that charged and fired rubber bullets on pacific civilians during the referendum, and I expect to see extreme violence and charges again.
Me and my friends need your help, what is your advice when confronting police in the streets/withstanding policial charges? What are efficient ways to protect ourselves and disrupt their charges?
Thanks tbqh & Visca Catalunya!
CATALONIA NEEDS HELP
I don"t know if you guys are up to speed, but shit in Catalonia is getting worse by the moments and the spanish government is going full blown fascist and going to intervene catalan government, education, media and police by friday.
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I thought Puigdemont pussied out like 2 weeks ago
You are making empty a meaningful term by overusing and bastardizing it. Fascism isn't a synonym for "bad" or "authoritarian". Read a fucking book and lurk more, you moron.
You guys have any actual leftist militias?
If you guys can't fight for your independence then you don't deserve it. Nut up and earn your freedom, pussy. Everyone else did.
Raid an armory
Not really, the point of the movement is pacific civilian resistance. We have had great capabilities when it comes to mobilization though, 1-2 milion people on the streets are easily reached in demonstrations or such in the capital (3 mill citizens).
The thing is its 99% normies and the closest thing to a militia are groups linked to an anticapitalist political party that is pretty vainilla when it comes to real action by this board standards.
Tomorrow there is gonna be a declaration of independence so stay tuned
I wish you best of luck, stay safe.
Slovenian Fascist Paramilitary ZSi are rattling their sabers, the absolute madmen
lifestylists are not welcome. Go read some fucking theory before opening your mouth,
Have we reached peak armchair?
I was criticizing your lack of pragmatism, anarkiddie. There's nothing romantic or inherently meaningful in fighting for the indipendence of the state if there is no materialist advantage to do so both in terms of personal security and advancement of leftist movements.
Your generic "call to action" is nothing more than dumping the burden of actions to people who have no intention or reason to be involved in an armed conflict, especially one so devoid of revolutionary potential.
He did, and he did pussy out once again he just called for elections which is what the spanish government demanded.
Yeah ill pass this one.
Why should we support them? I've not even seen support for a left faction, and the big parties pushing for independence seem to be solely neoliberals who want a more efficient tax haven.
Hahaha oh my god. If it wasn't so pathetically boring he would be living meme material.
Never be alone. You folks have to always be in small group. Go for their guns! Always! Take them and kill them
Stay strong comrade. You guys are doing is beautiful! Finally united people in the streets instead of complaining on twitter/facebook/reddit/whatever.
Love and solidiritaty from Portugal. Stay strong against Castillian scum, the cancer of Iberia.
If any of you want to support Catalonia from your countries you can also join a solidarity movement. Check if there's one in your country:
Rumours are new elections will be called: inb4 the CUP win and declare an independent DemConfed Catalunya.
These are the four scenarios that can happen (in spanish)
Can a English brainlet get a translation comrades?
I'd do it if I had the time but bascially the first column is Unilateral Declaration of Independence, the second column is UDI and constituent elections, the 3rd is just regional elections and the 4th is elections and renounce the independence. As you can see only the 4th scenario would mean that the spanish gov wouldn't use article 155 and suspend the catalan autonomy. The effects in the catalan government are: 1st column-possible resignation from moderates; 2nd column-clashes between PDECat and ERC, CUP; 3rd column-fracture of the independentist movement; 4th column-fracture of the independentist movement
So what I think Lenin is saying and what user is trying to prove by posting these quotes is that as leftist we need to work with the petty bourgeoisie (In this case Catalonia) and gain their support to bolster the socialist movement. The enemy of my enemy is my friend I suppose
Hows that take?
In addition to these I recommend reading "The Right of Nations to Self-Determination", particularly chapters 5 and 8.
so this is the power Idpol!
I support the balkanization of Europe for pure chaos factor.
we are in a pre cold war situation and this would pave the way for russia to fuck europe up
at least in europe there are individual rights….
now there are talks that he may do the declaration after all
what a shitfest…..
Its a start
They should kill themselves, Hitler would have wanted that of all slavs.
Nah the new left wing party (podemos) is pushing for an election and the big catalonyan parties are left wing apart from maybe 1 right wing one
Apparently Puigdemont said he won't call for elections after all. What the hell is he gonna do then?
"It's the Parliament's job to proceed with what the majority wants"
Sorry for the shit translation. Could this mean independence?
well 90% voted yes so its obviusly a turn for independence, also that was a good translation
I just feel sorry for the guy at this point. It seems he has no idea what he's gotten himself into.
All the options he has are various shades of bad.
I'm a bit worried about Junts pel Si because it seems like they have a lot of neoliberals and you can't trust neoliberals.
The guy is another avatar of chaos. Or just inept and indecisive.
Someone need to make a virgin Catalonian and the chad Spain picture.
Because that's what happening here.
this is what happens when you have an unarmed populace
Ah yes, this is true socialism.
This is 2017 Catalonia not 1930's Catalonia.
and the spanish version
Im pretty sure it already exists.
Anyway at some point Puigdemont must have exhausted all of his credibility? At least if he declared independence he would have had a symbolic achievement since Rajoy will go article 155 on his ass anyway.
Its not even a meme, its the truth.
Well I guess the unionist part is true a lot of them are fachas and we seen what they did in valencia and other parts. Fucking nazis
What did they do in Valencia?
Also>>2190942 asked for it but blindfags posted the wrong one.
Falangists doing the hitler salute and looking for fights. People where injured and videos demonstrate it was them who started it
Balkanizing the old imperialist powers isn't reason enough? Catalonian independence might be the first domino to fall.
Be honest here, are they anything to the left of run-of-the-mill neoliberal-socdem Eurotrash?
Balkanizing the EU is good, fuck off
There are genuine far-left factions for independence in Catalonia.
I dont think so, been following them ever since they started and they are very anti capitalist and generally want to improve the well being of citizens and kick out the corrupt ruling right wing party (since they where found guilty of many cases of corruption)
That's an old Marxist term actually, tho maybe the proper term is "Marxist patriotism". Regardless, even Lenin way back when recognized that the independence struggle of an oppressed people can be part of a larger anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist struggle. He was big on self-determination of the peoples.
Come the fuck on now.
Fyi they're very antigerman/italian/croatian and want to (re)claim Greater Slovenia from them (ZSi -> Zedinjena Slovenija -> Greater Slovenia)
MADURO PLEDGES SUPPORT FOR CATALONIA, FASHIES WATCH OUT
Being well-meaning is nice but it's no guarantee they won't decay into socdem. Pic related. If you're an activist, you might want to start preparing your comrades to push Podemos towards the left.
Forget about the pacific protests, its obvious that you guys already did all that you could without resorting to violence
You guys either start fighting back, or get your asses kicked and say goodbye to your beloved independence
Get some guns, improvise some explosives and masks, I think you can do some improvised substance to help you resist tear gas and such, and take the fight to them, best of luck to you guys
tbh this user is right. If ever there was a time for this in the 21st century west, it's now.
plz Maduro, send a boat full of AK-103s to Catalonia.
second spanish civil war when?
Bye, bye Spain
shut up, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about in general if you think that is a coherent understanding
It's over. They fucked up, should have declared independence right after the election, now they lost a lot of energy and many people are even second guessing their vote. The leaders will end up in jail and the people will lose the privileges that they previously had
How are those supposed to help? By shouting "we support u bru!"?
So it looks like Catalan parliament will officially vote on it tomorrow whether or not to declare independence
I doubt they will
Find a group of trustworthy dedicated people,
establish safe communication lines, opsec
form group cohesion and discipline, train for what you do
stockpile usefull goods and equipement
establish clear ethics and rules of engagement if need be.
Way too late man.
Did Puigdemont not expect to win in the first place?
Or did he expect Madrid would be open to talks?
Eat a dick, Stalinists
Spain's response to Catalonia, that is, police violence and overwhelming sudden control of the state by martial powers, is frightening. It seems they deem the land they sit in, and the people themselves, too economically viable to let loose, they have to stay whether they like it or not; there is no choice.
This harkens back to Four Futures, I see this as a herald for the Exterminism chapter. Where the ruling class imposes tougher and tougher and tougher lifestyle on the working class until they're basically all but slaves, and the justification for this will be the attempts the working class had at escaping they destroyed mercilessly. Do not go out on your own, worker, lest you be like them.
Regardless of what you think of Catalonia's referendum, the real story is Spain's reaction to it. Sudden and complete martial protection for the ruling and governing class, and their moneyed interests in the location and its people's value as workers.
That's because it is, if Catalonia leaves you're looking at a massive economic crisis in the heart of the eurozone, wolfstreet has done a lot of good writeups on it, Spain and the EU won't allow it to go through
I suspect it's partly that and they didn't realize how seriously the Spanish government would react to it
I bet he was planning to just use it as leverage for getting more political capital both in Spain as a whole but also within Catalonia
That's my point. The land is deemed more important than the worker herself.
I'm afraid is right. Bad leadership (or more like representation, in this case) can kill any popular movement. And I do mean any, because it would have happened in even Russia if it wasn't for Lenin's determination.
There seems to be a correlation between higher position in a political hierarchy and moving to the right, doesn't it? Which makes sense I suppose, because it also happens to people who get richer.
And then do what? Wait for the tanks to roll in? Suffer a Spanish blockade?
This is at heart a bourgeois movement. And violent unrest is bad for business. If it comes to blows they'd lose everything they sought to gain.
Also Puigdemont seems like a meek guys who doesn't lust for bloodshed. He probably just wants to get out of this whole independence situation.
But what it shows is troubling to all of us.
This has happened with almost every independence movement. Examples like Slovenia are just freak exceptions. Either you get a greater power to guarantee your independence and prevent bloodshed, or you should be prepared to have blood run in the streets.
that spanish is wack
They will vote for independence today and article 155 will be triggered. Yall ready for the shitstorm? I know I am.
They're already in the parliament
If they triggered art 155 without the catalans declaring independence that would be an even bigger shitstorm against the PP it wouldn't be forgotten. Everyone from every autonomous region in Spain would be on his ass.
Mate this shit is all over british TV wtf you on about?
Can I get an English broadcast?
only one i found
ines arrimadas is really cute. too bad she's from ciudadanos
There isnt a BBC stream for this?
There's a euronews stream now. I'm only checking youtube live streams:
THEY'RE STARtiNG VOTING NOW
MPS FROM CIUDADANOS, PP AND PSOE ARE LEAVING THE ROOM. THEY WILL VOTE FRO INDEPENDENCE NOW
Im watching too comrade
If they have a secret ballot for the vote, I'm not so confident in the more neoliberal MPs of Junts pel Sí
Why would they want a secret vote?
Yup, read this:
Idk, but I they will now vote if they'll do a secret vote
It's a secret ballot
They want to vote their mind without having the fear the pressure of arrest. This makes sense considering the need to have transparent voting (so your constituents know your voting record) may be outweighed by the need to give a vote without unnecessary external pressure.
Turnout was 43%
Independence is sponsored by Soros.
Seems like that will lead honest voting.
Sky News stream:
A fascist is simpyl someone who doesnt agree with everything I say.
And before you say my definition is wrong, bear in mind that not agreeiung with everything I say makes you a fascist. And you dont want to be a fascist do you?
okay it's totally reasonable to call neo-francoism fascism
*Inner separatist seizes more independence*
With a secret vote they don't know who voted for what and they don't arrest them
"Proudhonised Stirnerism…. The whole world waits until the French are ripe for a social revolution…. The English laughed very much when I began my speech by saying that our friend Lafargue and others, who had done away with nationalities, had spoken ‘French’ to us, i. e., a language which nine-tenths of the audience did not understand. I also suggested that by the negation of nationalities he appeared, quite unconsciously, to understand their absorption by the model French nation.”
lol stirner shitposting has existed for over a hundred years.
They're counting the votes
Stirner is /ourguy/
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it's like the most robotic porn ever
When with the eternal socdem be eradicated?
we did it reddit
Independence won with 72 votes. Now what?
70 votes for yes
70 votes yes
2 votes neither
10 votes no
KILL THE TRAITORS CATALONIAN FRIENDS. KILL THOSE WHO ABANDONED THE PARLIAMENT. THEY ARE TRAITORS TO THE CASTILLIAN SCUM
oops, my bad
Its k man. Im just saying what Ive heard
Organize militia, you must defende yourselves. Madrid will send in the army now. Be prepared.
It's what they always do! They always send the fucking army.
Imagine being this much of a cuck that you abstain in a secret ballot
Right now theyre hugging each other and waving flags
Time for the eternal Castellian to send in the tanks
you are clueless. Do you know how castllians refer to catalonians and basques you useless cunt? they refer to them as Holla Forums refer to sandniggers and jews.
"The rule of law will be restored in Catalonia"
Democracy will never be respected, the people's true leader can never be realized..
bon cop de falç guys
Tanks in 30
a las barricadas
And this is when Catalonia turns from a bourgeois nationalist movement into a proletarian anti-imperialist one. VIVA LA CUP.
Would you bang their spokesperson? Also, why does she always wear long sleeve shirts with t shirts over it?
Eh, I am not really into milfs but maybee.
Also that is a style choice, it i kinda 1990s Avril Lavigne style tomboy but not quite thing going on.
oui, mi amor
What faction are you fighting for in the SCW 2.0
what the fuck
Yes I too true believe they can easlty roll to socdem and basicalyl be the new PSOE. I wish I knew how to push them farther left
They said more ultra left wing stuff but I guess that you dont want to see right?
So what if they said all of that they are a political party and have to say this shit so they get votes you fucking moron. Im tired of saying the same shit when someone posts that gay ass picture
It's the galaxy brain of spanish ideologies
DIOS, FUEROS, PATRIA, REY LEGITIMO Y COMUNISMO LIBERTARIO
The sequels are rarely as good as the original so I'm ready to be let down. Also who are /ourguys/ I'm a little uneducated about this stuff.
Just when you thought there wasn't anything worse than the virgin vote.
Certainly not the government they are right wing neo libs who cannot govern a country
I saw some (either C.N.T. or F.A.I.) ancom flags on the news when they were covering it the other day but I take it this is just a niche group that was at the protest?
The cnt is a labor union in spain
Our side is with cataluña becouse they are the ones fighting against Rajoy's fascism
me encanta q los de derechas nos dicen a los de podemos q ellos son comunistas pero ahora al parecer los comparan con porky? ajajajaja
puta gente loco
Our guys are cup. They've got kind of a Bookchinite municipalist ideology. Also they use the socialist version of the flag
Catalonia's parliament decided for independence from Spain. Ready for civil war?
Holy shit, is it really going to happen? Are they finally going to declare Independence for real this time?
Yes! Mass media in my country are showing how all the "small buisness" owners are pro indipendece, I will fight to death for them! Too many taxes! fuck that
It's possible. Such announcement may have really serious consequences
They already did
They just did, mate
Where the fuck are people getting the idea that Catalonia is Communist from? I've seen a few people saying it now and I've seen literally no proof
One down, two to go.
Let's hope they do better this time
Catalonia did it!
They're brainlets who are still thinking about the civil war. There are a ton of Communists in comparison with Spain, but it's not a majority.
Catalonia Independence is a ploy by porkies that have a large share in the map making and flag industries to have a boost in sales.
If you heard that on Holla Forums you can safely discard it because according to thoses same people, the democrats are filthy communists.
They took the Spanish flag down in girona
Let's wait for response from Madrid
Wasn't Holla Forums but I'm assuming it was a crossposter of some sorts.
But surely even the biggest brainlet could see the difference between these two movements. Completely different flags, I've seen no mention of communism or anarchism during the coverage of the event, from what I can see the left wing party in Catalonia (CUP) has literally less than 10% of seats in local parliament. It just seems like ignorance at this point.
So much for the Nationalist right
Yes so thats why all major banks and industries are getting the fuck out of cataluña?
They responded, they have voted to apply 155 (which will remove all autonomy on the region and make it completly controlled by central gov
There's also ERC but they're more center left than anything
What's the difference between them and Barcelona en Comú and the 15-M movement?
Does Catalonia have any sort of standing force that will be able to fight the Spaniards when the tanks come rolling in or are they pretty much fucked?
15-M movement was a protest movement (like Occupy), Barcelona en Comú is a political party.
Drum links, zwei, drei! Drum links, zwei, drei!
¡compañero, a tu lugar!
==acompaña al pueblo en la resistencia
del Frente Popular.==
No nos corren el gobierno, policía ni patrón
=el camino es largo y salimos ya
a la calle a resistir. ==
Drum links, zwei, drei! Drum links, zwei, drei!
¡compañera, en tu lugar!
==que no habrá justicia si no abrazamos
la lucha popular==
4% of Catalonians have guns, most of them are farmers thought
Barcelona en Comun are part of En Comu Podem, the catalan Podemos which voted against independence.
daily reminder that crossbows can pierce most riot gear
THEY HAVE DONE IT
CATALONIA IS NOW INDEPENDENT
VISCA LA REPÚBLICA INDEPENDENT DE CATALUNYA
wtf i hate podemos now
so have they begun arresting federal police and bureaucrats and building barricades yet?
C A T A L O N I A T R I U M P H A N T
IF THEY DONT START PUTTING UP BARRICADES AND BARBWIRE, AND START RAIDING ARMOURIES AND POLICE-STATIONS THEY ARE LIBERAL CUCKS
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Fuck off, Franco.
We're for the balkanization of the EU, unless, I misread you?
The barricades come at night
I wonder who could behind this post.
Are you ok there lad?
I wouldn't call the post you made English
That was cringy. Mostly because it's Franco, but his English is terrible too.
Puigdemot should probably GTFO to algeria and lead a government in exile, if he doesn't have the will or the authority to create militias and defend catalonia.
Sadly this isn't even LARP. This literally always happens.
Good luck Catalonia anons, you'll need it.
Even Holla Forums agrees you need to be gassed kikefy.
You have to go back.
Independent Liverpool when?
Holy shit you guys actually done it?
Congrats, now defend your country against the worse part of independence:the starting years
THAT LIVERPOOL FEEL
believe it or not thats how most spaniards speak english. Not even the high ranking politicians
Does anyone have those CIA insurgency pamphlets for Latin American rebels? They were declassified and were originally provided to right wing rebel groups aiming to overthrow left leaning governments but they're handy for leftists in disrupting an invading force relying on supplies and logistics.
And it's in Spanish.
Anyway, do you guys think we are going to have Spanish Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo?
not unless all the other autonomous regions join in
This one too
our fucking president…
Dude English and Spanish are basically the same language. Just spend like 5 minutes trying to understand it and you will
We /unrecognizedstate/ now
becouse the "socialists" that you reffering to are PSOE which are more right wing than anything else
Catalonia already suffering independentism. Val d'Aran has announced a plan to gain indeppendence from Catalonia
honestly don't know what mussolini was thinking with his headquarters
Rightists on suicide watch
In my head I always picture Catalonia as much bigger than it really is. No idea why.
Do you play EU4?
yaaay another bourgeois state
balkanization makes it easier for revolution
okay I guess.
Ironic considering that the word balkanization itself was born from the violent split up of a socialist state.
RIP in RIP.
But with Galiza instead of Granada
Not if immigration keeps up :>)
I will never give up the re-reconquista dream
Thats probably why. I sub in the size of Aragon for it when Catalonia is just the upper left two provinces.
What exactly am I looking at here?
I meant right
Top left: population density (darker has more people)
Top right: budget deficit/surplus (darker means higher budget deficit
Bottom left: Support for independence (blue is anti-independence, red is pro-independence)
Bottom right: Wealth level (red is very welathy)
Could this trigger Basque independance and would it have actual revolutionary potential?
If EH Bildu get more votes, they'll do it. The problem is the Basque Nationalist Party, that sometiems behave like cucks. EH Bildu and PNV could have a majority right now and call for a referendum but PNV would never do it. Plus, they're in coalition with the fucking Basque PSOE.
if i remember isn't it like the basque sein fein ?
never hope anything from right wing christcucks
you are fucking stupid and you should go back to Holla Forums
There is a high population of muslims in spain (mostly on the south) Its not like they where all killed in the reconquista
Yup, some guys from Batasuna also created Sortu (which is a part of EH Bildu) after their party was banned after they "allegedly financially supported ETA".
Exactly, Let the re-reconquista commence, Andalusia shall rise from the ashes!
Right now, at Sant Gervasi.
I cant even see if its a military one or not
Rajoy called regional elections for December 21.
Yup, also purging the Catalan government and police forces to replaced by Madrid with one favored option to simply replace all law enforcement in Catalonia with national police forces
Catalan cabinet and potentially parliament are going to be charged with rebellion which means at least 30 years in jail
time to form radical, experimental forms of new democracy like worker's syndicates and neighborhood protection councils
PS puidgemont is a cuck
This will only increase indepentist vote, no? In the elections the separatists still win and what will he do then?
The election will result in a regional government chosen by Madrid, regardless of how the voting goes
I mean, Rajoy is going full autistic, it's actually possible.
Damn that was fast.
These things would only bring more people to the Catalan cause
True, but Spain is panicking right now. They just unleashed a political nuclear weapon and they can't back down anymore. The choices at this point are Catalans fold or Spain, backed by the EU and US forcibly puts down any notions of independence
There are like at least 2 or 3 million independence supporters and with each step Rajoy takes against the Catalans, the more radical they get. They obviously can't lock everyone up. This will be an interesting situation.
Gee, I wonder WHO is behind that independentist movement.
continuing breakdown and collapse of the post-45 world order, borders will probably change significantly when it comes tumbling down
But yeah, Spain is being forced to overreact since it's game over for them and the EU if Catalonia causes a mess
I knew the World Health Organization was behind this. This is their revenge for being forced to get rid of Mugabe yesterday, isn't it?
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS
No countries are recognising Catalonia. I guess it's to be suspected but still dissapointing. So far I believe UK, US, France and Germany have put out statements.
People should go and put CNT flags in their place.
'CUP responds: "We will keep building the republic! We will not submit to authority of Rajoy or Article 155". '
IT'S HAPPENING BUCKOS
Did you expect otherwise? No nation in western Europe will recognize or support them.
I meant to say expected instead of suspected. I could still dream.
At least one country will recognize them
I'm unable to post today
Agreed, this should surprise no one.
How is resistance being mounted though? I would suspect that at present plans are being drawn up to effectively re-take the city. What will that look like - and what does Catalonia need to do to maintain its independent state?
And that's why I posted this. They need all the international help they can get becausee they need international recognition. Also most of these organizations are leftist.
This will be a revolution lead by the farmers: they have already shown they are willing to trap police using tractors: and considering they are the main bulk of the armed 3% in Catalonia they will be much of the resistance to Madrid.
National Police/Civil Guard will be sent in first to arrest leaders and politicians after the Catalan police don't obey orders. If there's resistance more than a few people expect the Spanish military to be sent in to "restore law"
Realistically, Spain is probably already prepping some military units to move in should the police face resistance
I mean it's not a socialist thing. It, from what I see, has more leftist than right wing support but it's still an independence thing primarily.
I'd put my money on this. Will probably go down fairly quietly.
most likely, I doubt Catalans are willing to fight a hopeless fight for independence and that's assuming the Catalan police don't side with Madrid in order to not get purged when the government change over occurs
I think that is a likely course of action, but how does Catalonia prepare for it?
My assumption, as someone relatively ignorant on the subject, is that Catalonia does not have the resources and security forces necessary to fend off the Spanish police/military for very long (especially given how brutal they were during the independence vote). So what happens if/when the leadership has been black-bagged? What will the people who wanted independence do then? Is there a sense of decentralized leadership in this movement?
CUP is a very decentralized party and I feel like they're gaining a lot of momentum
Checks link, sees pic.
This guy looks like my dealer. Fucking awesome.
Still though, I worry that they aren't going to be ready for the violence that's about to happen. I don't pray, but if I did, these guys would be in my thoughts right now.
This is their spokesperson:
I don't have a strong opinion about Catalan indepedence but I find it sad that so many arguments made against it are along the lines of "you'll be shooting yourself in the foot because you'll lose access to the markets and all the banks will move out blah blah blah"
it's like people have just accepted that the current economic order is something that can't be fought against and that placating it is more important than expressing the will of the people
Everyone I know uses the same argument "the companies are moving out"
CUP rejected the elections and proposed a massive paella on the streets on December 21 lmao
Spanish cucks btfo
THE GAMBIA HAS RECOGNIZED CATALONIA
Nice. I wonder how long it will last considering the Gambia has a coup every other week.
MFA Gambia 🇬🇲 @MFAGambia 2h2 hours ago
As a young democratic state which believes in freedom, The Gambia supports the decision of the Catalonian people. #Catalonia
I mean, that is genuinely what liberals believe.
Has Russia made already an statement about the catalan question?
nope, after the elections they informed about their neutrality on the subject
but Al-Andalus was based
this, literally was prospering when the rest of Europe was dying
It's a fake account but the official Catalonian account retweeted it. Pretty funny tbh because the foreign ministry of Gambia is flipping out.
tbh that's a great gag. because who would expect that someone would make a fake account for the FM of Gambia lol
Support al-andalus in it's noble struggle against western imperialism.
Take some lessons from workers:
The newspapers are on full propaganda mode now as expected.
Look at that ABC picture hahahah
Doesn't Gambia's president follow them? I swear I've heard something about that:
I'm not on twitter so I can't see
Lel. Does anyone have a screenshot?
The eternal Castillian at it again.
The enternal spaniard
Replace California’s flag with New England. California is supper Ancap. New England are /ourguys/
Remember most Catalan farmers aren’t rich but poor peasants. There also one of the most pro-idenpendce demographics in Catalonia. Partially because during the Spanish Civil War Catalan Peasants seized land owned by Spanish aristocrats, but this was undone by Franco.
Does leftypol supports catalan independence or not?
I wonder who’s behind this post?
based Azkbania and South Ossetia
No it comes from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.
hoping shit gonna turn like this and i live in spain
petite-bourgeoisie =/= peasents
lol at his bio
Donetsk People's Republic is on their side, apparently.
"The Arabian epoch (…) was the most cultured, the most intellectual and in every way best and happiest epoch in Spanish history. It was followed by the period of the persecutions with its unceasing atrocities."
Adolf Hitler, Secret Conversations, 1941-1944, Farrar, Straus and Young, 1953, p. 493
"Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purist chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians."
Adolf Hitler, Secret Conversations, 1941-1944, Farrar, Straus and Young, 1953, p. 542
if those are real quotes someone should post them to Holla Forums but misattribute them to a Jewish or progressive historian. After they reject them out of hand with a bunch of ad homs then reveal the real source.
Dunno. Despite the CUP, it is obviously not a leftist movement. Spanish nationalism is cancer, Catalonian nationalism is cancer. But in general the independence is probably better for the left than the status quo.
God Puidgemont is so not made for this, at this point the best thing he could do by a mile is get assassinated by some unionist extremist to give a nice martyr figure to the movement.
t. that lone sperg larper account on twitter
this is what you faggots get for following bourgeois nationalism
What an independint state?
neo-fascism look at syria
A creation of bourgeois nationalism
Why? Would be akin to rejecting your girlfriends claim that she is breaking up with you. I mean I am an anarchist so I’ll be upfront about that, but even if you are a tankie I don’t understand how supporting the Rajoy administration and its takeover of Catalonian sovereignty in any way helps leftist goals. At least it can be argued that Balkanization aids the people by at least giving them more say in their govt by reducing centralization
Whats so much worse in forced Spanish authority than in forced Catalonian authority?
No the creation of peasant nationalism. The Catalan farmers have been the most pro-active in harassing the Spanish Police.
Government is more localized.