Left unity is a meme

come to a consensus on what socialism, communism, liberalism, capitalism, and fascism are in less than 50 replies

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Socialism = dictatorship of the proletariat
Liberalism = the ideology of capitalism
Capitalism = dictatorship of the bourgeoise
Fascism = ultra-dictatorship of the bourgeoise

I think fascism is more the collaboration of the bourg and reactionary forces in a last ditch defense of capitalism in the face of socialism. It's not necessarily just "ultra-dictatorship" But yeah, you're right.

what the fuck is ultra-dictatorship?

Socialism is when the government does stuff
Communism is when the government does all the stuff
Capitalism is when people trade things
Fascism is when People hit each other
Liberalism is when people are nice to each other




Trotskyshit miss information and propaganda spotted.
You get the ICE pick.


Lol nope

Socialism = dictatorship of the proletariat
Liberalism = the ideology of capitalism
Capitalism = dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
Fascism = ultra-dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with collaborationist characteristics

Can I have a sause for that image

As long as they want to overthrow capitalism I really don't give a shit what their particular views on terminology are

literally googled "lenin nep" and it appeared on google image results, first page

socialism= dictatorship of the proletariat
liberalism=the ideology that allows capitalism to manifest itself
capitalism= plutarchy
fascism= capitalism's last leg, a true merger of state and corporate power in the way that the corporations don't even make an attempt at hiding the fact that they're truly the ones in charge

Socialism - worker control over MoP (to varying degrees).
Communism - stateless, moneyless, classless society.
liberalism - modern incarnation of capitalist hegemony, at the most basic level, with varying superficial characteristics.
Capitalism - private control of MoP.
Fascism - totalitarian nationalism, again, with varying superficial characteristics.

>Socialism = Movement to abolish the present state of things, namely the law of value, i.e. capitalism. Including commodity production, private property, wage labor, and by extension markets. Culminating in the emancipation of the proletariat, and independence of the individual from economy.

Capitalism = A mode of production - not just management - based on the private ownership of the means of production - separate from the workers that operate it - and their operation for profit. Leading to wage labor, and people being dependent on interaction with markets to gain their sustenance. Under capitalism as a dominant mode of production, the relations between people take the form of relations between things

Socialism: The ideology of those seeking to advance communism.

Communism: The next stage in historical development after capitalism, involving the abolition of rentierism.

Liberalism: The ostensibly republican ideology of those seeking to construct or preserve capitalism.

Capitalism: The current stage of historical development, built off rentierism, manifested in three seemingly different but really similar phenomena of wage labor, rent, and interest. Gradually implies the erosion of culture and identity, as well as the replacement of traditional agrarian elites with new industrial and subsequently financial ones.

Fascism: The ostensibly republican ideology possessed by those reacting to the aforementioned action of capitalism against traditionalism as manifested in both ideas and elites. Seek to preserve those values against this action by reverting to a previous stage of historical development. Inherently contradictory: liberalism was the first really republican movement, and reverting to a pre-liberal status quo precludes the republicanism fascism pretends to possess.

this sounds right but i'm not an expert so idk

I like this definition, it's unorthodox but concise. And sort of hints why industrial elites end up being replaced by financial elites.

It's just based on the writings of Marx, Engels, Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes, Betham, Stuart Mill, Trotsky, Mussolini and Badiou. There are also others, but those come to mind specifically.
If you don't have time/don't want to read a dozen or so authors, I recommend reading Wage, Labor & Capital by Marx, The Doctrine of Fascism Mussolini, The Social Contract by Rousseau, The Conquest of Bread by Kropotkin, and Badiou's essay on Fascism. He has written multiple, but there is one in particular that really hits home what Fascism is about. Sadly I can't find it. Also consider watching the Law of Value series youtube.com/watch?v=Hb6dXR6AfXE. Which summarizes some of the key tenets of Marxism.
They won't explain everything there is about either socialism, liberalism, capitalism or fascism. But I'd argue reading those works should give you background.

Consensus sucks.


Capitalism: an economic system where the major mode of production is an arrangement where someone who owns raw materials, tools, and land pays workers a wage to work those things into a commodity which they then sell and decide what to do with the profits.

Liberalism: the idea that liberty, fraternity, and equality are achievable under the system of capitalism.

Socialism: Capitalism's shadow. While it has meant many different things to different people throughout history, a most meaningful definition comes from addressing capitalism's fundamental contradiction. Thus, rather than being a production arrangement where a small class owns the means of production and exercises totalitarian control over how to distribute surplus value, socialism is about democratic ownership of the means of production where those who produce the surplus decide collectively what to do with it.

Communism: either "the real movement to abolish the present state of things" or some utopian world with no class, money, or state conjectured to arise after an extended period of global socialism.

Fascism: vague term that means nothing. Stop using it.


I think it's a meme regardless of whether we're able to find a consensus on the definition of these terms