Real Christians are capitalists

Holla Forums absolutely BTFO by God's word:

gotquestions.org/capitalism-Bible.html
From a Christian perspective, the basis of private property rests in our being created in God's image. We can make choices over property that we can exchange in a market system. But sometimes the desire for private property grows out of our sinfulness. Correspondingly, our sinful nature also produces laziness, neglect, and slothfulness. The fact is that economic justice can best be achieved if each person is accountable for his own productivity.

Historically, capitalism has had a number of advantages. It has liberated economic potential. It has also provided the foundation for a great deal of political and economic freedom. When government is not controlling markets, then there is economic freedom to be involved in an array of entrepreneurial activities. Capitalism has also led to a great deal of political freedom, because once we limit the role of government in economics, we limit the scope of government in other areas. It is no accident that most of the countries with the greatest political freedom usually have a great deal of economic freedom.

Though there are some valid economic criticisms of capitalism such as monopolies and the byproduct of pollution, these can be controlled by limited governmental control. And when capitalism is wisely controlled, it generates significant economic prosperity and economic freedom for its people.

One of the major moral arguments against capitalism is greed, which is why many Christians feel unsure about the free enterprise system. Critics of capitalism contend that this system makes people greedy. But then we must ask whether capitalism makes people greedy or do we already have greedy people who use the economic freedom of the capitalistic system to achieve their ends? In light of the biblical description of human nature (Jeremiah 17:9), the latter seems more likely. Because people are sinful and selfish, some are going to use the capitalist system to satisfy their greed. But that is not so much a criticism of capitalism as it is a realization of the human condition. The goal of capitalism is not to change bad people but to protect us from them. Capitalism is a system in which bad people can do the least harm and good people have the freedom to do good works.

Though greed is sometimes evident in the capitalist system, we have to understand it’s not because of the system—it’s because greed is part of man’s sinful nature. The solution lies not in changing the economic system but in changing the heart of man through the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Nice spooks you've got there friend.

Go read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, it's better

Mankind will not be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

No one can serve two masters: Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. (Matthew 6:24)

How more explicit can you be than that?

Protestants aren't Christians. They worship the status quo and named it "God".

Other gems of the pure ideology of American """""""""christianity"""""""":

"Where Marxism has taken root, land owners see their property confiscated by the state, and private ownership of just about anything is outlawed. In abolishing private property, Marxism directly contradicts several biblical principles. The Bible assumes the existence of private property and issues commands to respect it: injunctions such as “You shall not steal” (Deuteronomy 5:19) are meaningless without private property. The Bible honors work and teaches that individuals are responsible to support themselves: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10). The redistribution of wealth mandated by Marxism destroys accountability and the biblical work ethic. "

"There are at least four errors in Marx’s thinking. First, his assertion that another person’s gain must come at another person’s expense is a myth; the structure of capitalism leaves plenty of room for all to raise their standard of living through innovation and competition. It is perfectly feasible for multiple parties to compete and do well in a market of consumers who want their goods and services."


"Marx was wrong that a person’s identity is bound up in the work that he does. Although secular society certainly forces this belief on nearly everyone, the Bible says that all have equal worth because all are created in the image of the eternal God. That is where true, intrinsic human value lies. "

"In short, the Bible promotes freedom and personal responsibility, and neither of those concepts lasts long under Marxism."

"Capitalism is actually a better system, when it comes to giving, because it has proven to increase individual wealth, which allows its citizens to give out of their increase. "

gotquestions.org/communism-Bible.html

Leviticus 25:36 Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you.
Leviticus 25:37 Remember, do not charge interest on money you lend him or make a profit on food you sell him.

But wait! You can!
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24)

You're selling your soul to the devil and buying a ticket straight to hell you Torah-thumping pharisees!

So why did God designed the economic system so that it would inherently change itself – and the heart of man with it? Could it be that communism is the embodiment of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Again, read the Tibetan Book of the Dead its better

I'm partial to the Yoga Sutras myself although I've never read the Tibetan book of the dead. I guess I'm more of a Vedic man than a Buddhist man but I might give it a go. Most I've heard about it was from Enter The Void. How long is it and what are the best aspects?

It describes in great detail the passage of a soul after death. From the moment of death, experiencing reality outside of the confines of the mortal coil, to the intimate nature of your new conception and subsequent rebirth

It's also to be read to the recently deceased, in hopes that they can break the illusory nature of their life outside the body. And to guide them to their new conception, where life and the fertility of the soul intertwine again and meet in the new body.

It's very in depth.

Another movie that draws its roots from the good old Book of the Dead is Jacob's Ladder, if you've seen that.

That's kind of what I got from the movie. It's more or less based on it to my knowledge and is basically a first person-film experience of what you described.

Have you read the Yoga Sutras? If not, please do. They're so short(~3000 words translated to English) and they explain everything from this world, to super powers, to ultimate enlightenment.

sacred-texts.com/hin/yogasutr.htm

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Real christians are distributists and that's that, unless you want to contradict Vatican you apostate-in-the-making

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*teleports behind u*

YES

Nice "banker on a stick" propaganda there.

Is Catholicism materialist at its core?

“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? (Mathew 6:25)

Every pope ever: "Fuck you Jesus I look fly as fuck"

I don't see the connection.

I fucking hate US Protestants so much they run most of the government and their cultural ideas has infected all sects of Christianity. They keep taking Catholic symbols and turning them into protestant symbols.

But actually user, the "Eye of the Needle" refers to a small gate in Jerusalem where it was difficult for camels to get through. He wasn't being literal, silly.

t. American """"""""""Christian""""""""""""

Jesus is saying stop being such a trendy, bougie douche bag. Jesus bling-game was weak but his righteous hand was strong.

How are these problems unique to capitalism?

Forced wealth redistribution isn't virtuous, just like stoning gays isn't doing god's will. There's no point to this experiment if people don't have free will.

This made me rage quite hard.

“No.”

t. Jesus

~Leviticus 25:10

~Leviticus 25:10

The Bible literally calls for massive wealth redistribution every 50 years. Every 50 years any property gains anyone has made gets reset, including slaves being freed.

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Luke 16:14-15
Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him. And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of men, but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is detestable in the sight of God.

Matthew 23:1-7
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. "But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men."

I don't know enough about the Orthodox Church to comment on it.

~ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury#Christianity

The Bible by design or by accident can be interpreted in any subjective way which means that there is no correct interpretation.

There are definitely incorrect interpretations, though, and claiming it promotes capitalism is ludicrous.

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Since all denominations, and subsects of those denominations, ignore some parts of the bible and promote others, then I don't see how there are incorrect ways to "practice" the bible's teachings you choose to practice.

gimme dat toothbrush

Even from a secular reading that's entirely wrong
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananias_and_Sapphira

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This will never stop being one the most "boondock saints"-esc things to quote regardless of translation

Ideology indeed, protestant

What the fuck? Isn’t that part of Marx’s whole point?

Forced wealth redistribution is very explicitly stated as being a commandment.

Having free will doesn't make us gods. Our free will isn't God's free will. See

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There would be no poor at all if the People's wealth was distributed evenly! Private property creates poverty!

Heretical garbage that isn't supported anywhere in scripture

It actually is in the old testament, but I've never seen anyone tossed out of a church for not tithing. It's not forced, nor should it be.

There would be no gays if we killed them all. Thieves couldn't steal if we cut off their hands.

ACTS 4; 32 TO 35
The Believers Share Their Possessions

32 Now the full number of those who believed were of kone heart and lsoul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but mthey had everything in common. 33 And with great npower the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and ogreat grace was upon them all. 34 pThere was not a needy person among them, for qas many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold 35 and rlaid it at the apostles’ feet, and sit was distributed to each as any had need.

To further prove you're wrong, cuck, it is profit that's theft:

ACTS 5; 1 TO 11
Ananias and Sapphira

5 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife’s knowledge vhe kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and wlaid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has xSatan filled your heart to lie yto the Holy Spirit and zto keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but ato God.” 5 When Ananias heard these words, he bfell down and breathed his last. And cgreat fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose anddwrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.

7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you1 sold the land for so much.” And she said, “Yes, for so much.” 9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together eto test fthe Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And ggreat fear came upon the whole church and upon all who heard of these things.

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But even then, the premise by which you've starting is already wrong. Socialism isn't " daxes :DDDDD". It is returning property to the ones that actually produce something with their labor; the working class.

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Acts also says you are to obey the government because God appointed the leaders. It's was written specifically to the Romans, but if you would like to take it as 100% literal, you go right ahead and give up everything you own. It's not a requirement.

What are you fucking gay?

Not the guy you replied to, but I agree, that is why I support communism: There won't be a lazy, indolent bourgeoisie to steal from the work of the poor.

Complaining about petty thieves is like complaining about taxes for welfare when banks receive billions in bailouts.

i would take catholics over any kind of protestant any day but it's quite like choosing between a turd and a pint of diarrhea. they both belong away from you.

You don't belong in this thread then. The Bible is neither Capitalist or Communist. It would be nice if people stopped attempting to inject modern politics into it and read it. Yes you would probably be rewarded greatly for giving 100% of your check and belongings. YOU have to do it though. It must be YOUR decision otherwise the gesture is virtually meaningless.

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Shouldn't have a had a book exploring the apocalypse then.

Christianity sucks

The toothebush line is a joke.

Lucifer is /ourguy/ anyway.

Yes it does. Acts 4:32, where the apostles tell their followers to sell everything they own and give he money to the poor. When one man lies and keeps some for himself God strikes him dead on the spot.

This is the ONLY part of your source which references the bible and its a fucking vague interpretation. YOU ARE LIKE A LITTLE BABY, WATCH THIS:

"COME NOW,YOU RICH, WEEP AND HOWL FOR THE MISERIES THAT ARE COMING UPON YOU. YOUR RICHES HAVE ROTTED AND YOUR GARMENTS ARE MOTH EATEN.YOUR GOLD AND SILVER HAVE CORRODED AND THEIR CORROSION WILL BE EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU AND WILL EAT YOUR FLESH LIKE FIRE. YOU HAVE LAID UP TREASURE IN THE LAST DAYS. BEHOLD, THE WAGES OF THE LABOURERS WHO MOWED YOUR FIELDS, WHICH YOU KEPT BACK BY FRAUD, ARE CRYING OUT AGAINST YOU, AND THE CRIES OF THE HARVESTERS HAVE REACHED THE EARS OF THE LORD OF HOSTS. YOU HAVE LIVED ON THE EARTH IN LUXURY AND IN SELF INDULGENCE. YOU HAVE FATTENED YOUR HEARTS IN A DAY OF SLAUGHTER"
JAMES 5 1:6

"NOW THE FULL NUMBER OF THOSE WHO BELIEVED WERE OF ONE HEART AND ONE SOUL, AND NOONE SAID ANYTHING OF THE THINGS THAT BELONGED TO HIM WERE HIS OWN, BUT THEY HAD EVERYTHING IN COMMON. AND WITH GREAT POWER THE APOSTLES WERE GIVING THEIR TESTIMONY TO THE RESURRECTION OF THE LORD JESUS, AND GREAT GRACE WAS UPON THEM ALL. THERE WAS NOT A NEEDY PERSON AMONG THEM, FOR AS MANY AS WERE OWNERS OF LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM AND BROUGHT THE PROCEEDS OF WHAT WAS SOLD AND LAID IT AT THE APOSTLES FEET ==AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED!=="
ACTS 4:32-35

"AND AWE CAME UPON EVERY SOUL. AND MANY WONDERS AND SIGNS WERE BEING DONE THROUGH THE APOSTLES. ==AND ALL WHO BELIEVED WERE TOGETHER AND HAD ALL THINGS IN COMMON. AND THEY WERE SELLING THEIR POSSESSIONS AND BELONGINGS AND DISTRIBUTING THE PROCEEDS TO ALL, AS THEY HAD NEED.== AND DAY BY DAY, ATTENDING TEMPLE TOGETHER AND BREAKING BREAD IN THEIR HOMES, THEY RECEIVED THEIR FOOD WITH GLAD AND GENEROUS HEARTS, PRAISING GOD AND HAVING FAVOUR WITH ALL THE PEOPLE. AND THE LORD ADDED TO THEIR NUMBER EVER DAY BY THOSE WHO WERE BEING SAVED."
ACTS 2:43-47


“If you lend money to any of my people with you who is poor, you shall not be like a moneylender to him, and you shall not exact interest from him. Exodus 22:25 

 
“You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest. You may charge a foreigner interest, but you may not charge your brother interest, that the Lord your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land that you are entering to take possession of it. Deuteronomy 23:19-20

Him and his wife.
All power to the apostles!

This exhortation wasn't for everyone it was only for the apostles who were expected to live a life of poverty so that they may be spiritually clean.

Why are stupid Christians and Catholics led like this?

lol nice slave morality kiddo

That implies that those who do not live in that way are not "spiritually clean, i.e. - they are sinful.

Why was it that only the apostles needed to be spiritually clean? Shouldn't everyone strive to free of sin?

This. Christianity is an ascetic religion who’s true followers are not concerned with earthly ways, but instead the salvation of themselves and their fellow men from sin, and a future of eternal bliss on the new earth.

Most “christians” will burn in the lake of fire according to the standards set in the bible.

Blah Blah Blah Blah…
You Faggot.

They have to be ready to completely turn their life upside down and allow Jesus to place in them a clean heart.
"Don't throw pearls before swine."

It's a real shame I'm trying to make the best of my life rather than crying about how I'm not getting catered because I exist. Give me a break.

You should cry about being unbearable instead

Dude post something larger then a thumbnail.
Also like the entire Utopian Socialist movement was born out of socialist ideals (read the section in book attached on Utopian Socialists. Also read the entire thing, its decent.*)

Also I cite Plato, Aristotle, (and more importantly) Aquinas and Augustine as people who fucking HATED the concept of markets (as a method of distribution) as unChristian and unethical.
youtube.com/watch?v=hfjSyOJHg7Q&list=PLFA6F20D0D7B043C4
(watch/listen until the second/third part for Christian's rejection of markets. Then watch/listen to the entire thing, its great imo).

Also read The Hijacking of Jesus by Dan Wakefield amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FQ2FY0S/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B00FQ2FY0S&linkCode=as2&tag=politicalcomp-21&linkId=24MUCYHZDMGY454J
sos don't have a .pdf
Its subtitle is pretty telling; "How the Religious Right Distorts Christianity and Promotes Prejudice and Hate".
Also Jesus would have been a Socialist, Luke, look deep within yourself (you know it to be true).

Also Stirnerposters, fuck off, you're never going to convince anyone by saying that the things they hold dear are spoogs, its just moronic from a tactical point of view.

Sos for reddit formatting and grammatical errors
CHRISTCOM GANG

Edit: the code-monkey fuck up is stopping me from uploading the book I was gonna attach, it was Socialism: A Very Short Introduction (
by Michael Newman. Its somewhere in the pinned reading list Thread.

Jesus was really mental. Truly a top jewish commie.

Fuck off