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I just want a cute trap I can trade dickpics with

We're taught your right to refuse sex is more valuable than your right to other things really

Or we can just eliminate the industry as a whole. Porn gets made for free by amateur couples who aren't exploiting each other. Perversion is well alive online.

Yeah, but sex is about bodily integrity. I've worked shit jobs, but none ever asked me to violate myself for them and they didn't ruin my sex life. Don't get me wrong, I'm not even a feminist, but the sex industry should die. I have nothing against porn as a medium, but I do have a problem in the way it is produced, and that problem comes from the fact that it's a capitalist industry.

Yikes, that sounds pretty bad. Did an employment bureau really offer her a job in a brothel, or what? That would be quite terrible.
But, I still think the central evil here, if you want to call it that, is forcing someone to take a particular kind of job, not so much the sex part. We could think up other instances. Imagine for example a vegan person in the same position being told they have to go work in a slaughterhouse, a muslim being told to go work on a pig farm, a germophobe told to be a garbageman, and so on.

Yes, that really happened. They cut off her benefits because she declined the job offer.

I get you, but the thing is that they do make exceptions for those people. The reason they legalized marijuana in some US states is because they want to tax it to make up for the fact that they cut taxes for the rich, and it will be the same for prostitution. Once an industry exists, government will work to incentivize it, and you will see your daughters, sisters, and wives be forced into prostitution for the rich, while they remain poor. I somehow find this level of disgust more visceral than any other.

I'm also including prostitution too fyi. Thing is there's performers and sex workers who enjoy doing that line of work and are good at it. No reason they can't own the means of production too.

You forgot your flag

Pro-porn arguments about 'agency' are the biggest load of liberal bullshit imaginable.

If they don't own the MoP (their own bodies, innit?) then they're slaves.

Videos of your degrading factory labor aren't available on demand for the rest of your life.

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The calluses on your hands and the dust in your lungs will be, however.

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Amateur porn might be even more exploitative, considering how much of it was never intended for public consumption and was leaked unilaterally.

Just pointing out how inherently predatory pornography is. If you're desperate and get a shit manufacturing job at 18, you're exploited until your shift ends. If you're desperate and do porn at 18, you're exploited for the rest of your life.

The product of your labor (and more importantly the profit made by your employer) still exist afterward either way. Exploitation isn't just "bad things happen to you."

What's your point then, you cunt?
Other labor sucks so we're supposed to ignore an industry-specific problem?

People need to wear shoes; they don't need to watch teenagers getting sodomized.

The product/profit of manufacturing generally doesn't have implications on one's future employment/relationships/physical/psychological health.

There is an equivalent to this. It's called bum fights. Tell me if you don't think that kind of shit should be illegal.

That's bullshit. You don't suffer if I watch a video of you suffering. At worst, you might have stigma with porn watching employers, co-workers, and friends, but there are many other jobs that carry stigma and public exposure, and given the large amount of porn out there, statistically unlikely to occur that the people you interact with will have seen porn of you.

The disquieting feeling that somewhere, someone might be masturbating to you is not real harm. It's pathological.

Point above, others viewing a video of me does not hurt me, the harm you seem to believe in is almost entirely spooky.

It does with unsafe working conditions *cough* asbestos *cough*. Wow that's actually pretty insensitive now that I typed it out.
And our social treatment of porn is not inherent to the job in any way. It's a product of culture. European societies before the Christfags declared no fun allowed used to borderline worship female sexuality (sometimes it wasn't even borderline). And there are other jobs that loads of people look down on in similar ways - pretty much anything involving menial labor.

which terminates jobs, estranges families, and invites violence against the woman in question

Because that's *totally* what I was worried about, retard

Ok. I'll be okay with porn once you completely rewire Western male sexuality. Get back to me when you do

No one needs to ask your permission for anything, princess.

That's not how this works at all. Degrading and ostracizing women who display sexuality isn't part of Western male sexual wiring. It's enforced only by culture. You can see this in the large numbers of people who could give a fuck if someone's done porn and really appreciate (particularly the amateurs) people who make it.

They could get a normal job and work for a living like everyone else. If they're choosing to do porn rather than apply for a job at their local factory, there's a reason why.

As more and more jobs dry up, more people will be pushed into prostitution and other last ditch jobs. Some will join the military, others will do porn. Whores and killers for the elite.

I'm ready for the revolution, but if you speak to the people who are suffering in these shitty jobs most of them are just retarded liberals or conservatives who think communism is dangerous and evil. They have the ability to change things if they want. It's up to them to make that decision.

I ain't buying the whole "I wanted to die the whole time and never ever had any fun on any set I shot at ever" narrative girls who talk bout their porn careers push in these documentaries. For one cuz I know pornstars who called Hot Girls Wanted misrepresentation (Carter Cruise) and also cuz I know an orgasm when I see one and I can tell a lotta the pornstars who do normal boy-girl scenes with seasoned male talent have them on camera. Sure, maybe $1000 for a nut ain't worth the lifelong stigma of being a pornstar, but that clit rubbing and subtle leg shaking's a telltale sign a girl ain't 100% faking it.

Niggas who watch Abella Danger's scenes know what I'm talking bout. Either she's cumming in them or she's a damn good actress.

but those things are bad…

Will you ever have non-pleb tastes. Also rename your pics

this is definitely related to capitalism, and even the person who made the film knows it
youtube.com/watch?v=PLYszpvyED4&t=11m20s

What can I say, I like the natural look of pubic hair and a soft, feminine body with fat in all the right places…

U fag.

Is this really a thing anymore though? Sure among the right it is 'cause >muh fun but generally big name performers are celebs, no?

This. Porn is relatively easy work compared to the manual work ugly girls and men are forced into.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. If you want to fix things you have to tear the entire system down.

Also you should really be pirating porn anyway. What kind of pleb pays for digital content?

They're more notorious than famous I think. I don't see pornstars getting invited to Hollywood events unless they're Jenna Jameson-tier in the industry.

Most people who do porn do not become rich and famous

You can point to successful people in any industry and say they embody the entrepreneurial spirit and are enjoying the well-earned fruits of their labor, but as socialists we should know better than this

That's rich. How much do I want to bet you're a man?

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I think the interesting part for me is the discrepancy between how easy it would have been for them to paint the recruiter guy as "the evil male" but instead made him also sympathetic and made the whole thing about the pressures of the industry and to some extent the economic pressures as a whole. Definitely better than I expected

Her body, her choice.
Don’t be a sexist pig.

Because (a minority of) people do something doesn't make it psychologically innate you fucking retard.

Nobody should pay a single dime for porn. You have to pay for sex no matter how you get it, you should never have to pay to watch a video of other people havimg sex. If the porn industry completely crashes, that is fine, nothing of value would be lost.

Great argument, thanks

For real. Only like 5 pornstars ever became millionaires from just doing their own scenes. Most of them just do porn cuz it pays the bills and beats working a regular 9 to 5 retail job.

are you lost, friend?

Of course true enlightenment is fapping to 2D. 3D is PD and can never compete with the purity of cute loli yuri.

Don't act like you guys are unaware of 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧who🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 pushed the inception and runs the porn industry.

It isn't just about porn. You should be pirating all digital content, or better yet, using free and open source alternatives. You can't opt out of capitalism in the real world, but you can pretty much opt out of it online.

Moral debate thread

To be honest, if the stigma round female promiscuity and fucking on camera ever dies down to the point where girls start treating sex with the same "no biggie" attitude guys treat it with nobody would be paying girls to fuck on camera anyway cuz the guys who in the past woulda paid for a Brazzers subscription would be having a lot more sex in real life. Porn's basically to a sexually frustrated man what Listerine is to an alcoholic, it's a cheap alternative to the real thing.

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You weebs make anime even more shit than it already is.

Women also orgasm during rape but it is still rape

Who's your current favourite pornstar, Holla Forums?

If you say that prostitution is rape, then you devalue rape to the point where people can legitimately compare being raped every day to working a 9-5 factory job.
Do you want to do that?

Not if they love it.

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No, see, it's entirely possible to have the best sex of your life while being raped. You can even later stick around and continue having (consensual) sex with your rapist, and it's still rape. You can even tell him how much you enjoy it and beg for more while being raped and that's fine too. There is no such thing as an inappropriate response to rape.

I'd liberate the whole working class on my own if I could. Unfortunately I can't. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

So really if you think about it being really good at rape is better than engaging the sex industry.

I guess deriving any sort of pleasure from the experience inmediately denies any negative effects it could have had

Communism would get rid of all those dirtbags friendo, not just the british ones.

Yeah, but unlike on the casting couch a rapist don't ask for written consent and an on-camera verbal contract.

Oh, be more prudish about it…*rolls eyes*

To be fair, orgasms are a physiological response. They aren't under conscious control.

Bad argument. People generally agree that not all rape is equally bad

*teleports behind you* Heh….Nothing personnel kid… *chops your dick off and drops you at the anfem sex dungeon via helicopter*

Your grandma's daughter.

Good job I ain't making the case that literal back alley rape is okay cuz some women orgasm from it then.

To compare an orgasm like that to a girl having one on a porn set is an Olympian worthy leap of logic.

Sage, reported, and hidden for being a flame war/spooks thread

And this is literally what the thread is. Two spooks arguing with eachother about what they like and dislike

I don't consent to none of this, Hoochie!

No it's more like
>it’s counterproductive for some so we should stop it
>that's not for you to say, although under capitalism it's pretty bad just like everything else
>FUCK YOU RAPE APOLOGIST

It would be nearly impossible for a sex workers union to work. Do you think there's an ounce of honor among hoes?

every.fucking.time.

WHAT THE FICK DID I DO!?

So here is the rankings of sexual morality
1) Masturbation (with imagination)
2) Consensual sex
3) Rape, but you're really good at it and they love it
4) Prostitution
5) Watching porn
6) Rape, but they don't enjoy it
7) Rape, but you're so bad at it nobody enjoys it

Where does fapping to NSFW Deviant Art pictures of MLP porn fit in that list?

What if I'm imagining porn I've watched before?

Still imagination.

Then that was some pretty good porn.

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Well you're raping them with your mind.

OK, but then why is there such a big distinction between imagining porn and and viewing it? Even if we accept that the production of the porn was fundamentally rape, watching it isn't.

M8, I'm shitposting. I ain't equipped for this discussion.

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kek I'm watching it right now, one of the porn star's bfs fully knows this. He says how much the sex he has with his porn gf is so much better and then says how he can't believe he used to have meaningless sex as he sits next to his porn star gf

Most girls are pretty lazy and boring in bed tbqh

afroplasm: the post

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sorry this thread is not as enlightened as you are, doggo

Sounds like they don't bother going all out cuz they know it'll all be over in 3 minutes.

Hit Girls wanted is pretty shit fam.

Weird porn like the GIF you list posted makes a good case for why not every girl in the industry likes her job to be honest.

Sex negativity is a form of hatred of women and patriarchy. Shaming sex workers is inherently hierarchical and implies some sort of sexual morality is being violated. Ultimately of course all sex work should be provided for free and the sex workers needs should be provided for in full.

Cry me a fucking river. Most men in the world do dangerous, dirty, difficult work for next to nothing.

Actually quite a few girls are into that and like doing it better than the vanilla scenes. at any rate most people don't like their job and if you're a sex worker it shouldn't be a surprise that part of the job isn't sex you'd prefer.

My dear user, I know you're disturbed by it, but the sad thing is, this isn't the exception in capitalism. It's the rule. Not just your porn, but your overprocessed food, your clothing, your gadgets, just about every god damn thing in your house has been built on exploitation on par with the shit you think had been relegated to Victorian novels. The shock you feel now could be repeated a million times.

For example, you're vaguely aware that smartphones and laptops and shit involve exploitation. It's possible –probable even, nowadays – that even their vendors in your first world city are insecure in their jobs, or dependent on commissions or subject to other such retail job shit. Then you go a step below the production chain and read and watch about the sweatshops that assemble the things, and you're suitably horrified at what you think is the true extent of the human cost of capitalism. But you don't know shit yet, because then you read and watch about the Congolese miners who extract the rare minerals needed and, well. I'll leave that to your imagination or your curiosity.

One of capitalism's greatest trump cards is alienation in all senses of the word. In this case, you're utterly separated from the suffering needed, the human cost, to produce your goods. Sure, you're more well-informed than most so you use them with a bit of guilt, but you don't, to use a local idiom, feel it in your skin. You don't have to live with the consequences of that economy all around you and every day. Youd don't know what it is to live in these hellscapes capitalism created. This makes it much easier for Porky's intelligentsia to just plain pretend this holocaust just plain doesn't exist. Sometimes, one of the few decent journalists writes something that makes peopl start talking, so the pundits produce an article defending of sweatshops or a video praising the British Empire. But they'll never even acknowledge the existence of even worse conditions, lower in the production chain, in the mining and plantation business. Not even their sociopathic lies could put a spin on capitalism as it truly is. Even the deepest abysses of Stalinism still don't compare to what capitalism always had, have and will have in reserve.

An user months ago here on Holla Forums made a very good observation that I don't think I'l ever forget: in a very real way, mankind has never stop running on human sacrifice.

Was, is and always will be right.

I know girls like the rough stuff, I just dunno what either side gets outta the cuckold fantasy. Watching somebody else fuck just seems like autoerotic asphyxiation-tier shit to me.

Aubrey Kate is really great!

Holy fuck that video is stupid. The Weimar Republic was very left-wing? It basically tries to claim that social liberalism and hedonism caused its problems when its obvious economic phenomena did.

There is no way anyone can connect sexual norms to the rise and fall of society.

Bruh where have you been this is Holla Forumss bread and butter.

Emotional distress. The cuck or cuckquean are getting off on being humiliated by their partner, not necessarily the sex. Despite what Holla Forums may cry about, it is a rare fetish and cucks are even rarer than cuckqueans, if you meet a sub they're much more likely to be into degradation and bondage than cucking.

These girls need to fucking unionize ASAP.

I wish all porn was like leddit’s gone wild board where it’s just exhibitionists who get off on it

Okay. I'm glad we can agree that the overwhelming majority of rape isn't particularly bad compared to most minimum wage jobs.

help their own sperm win a reging intra-vaginal sperm war.

Sperm be like…
youtube.com/watch?v=iEx_uhEzJi4

Class war when?

why is she posing in front of a shopping cart?

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Now I can proudly take the moral high ground while fapping to furshit

I fap to my own lewds
Am i exploiting myself

Ma boi

No but as per the rules of the board you must collectivize them

I don't like watching women having sex with huge muscular Chads. I like watching women having sex with other women. What does that make me?

I can do that :)

Cute, but huge stretch of interpretation

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The number of sexual incidents consensually performed for money outweighs the number of sexual incidents performed by coercion by a few orders of magnitude.
Therefore it's entirely valid to say that most rape isn't all that bad, and in fact in most cases the victim was literally asking for it.

Good so far
Does not follow. "All that bad" and "asking for it" are meaningless when we're questioning the morality and the room for consent in question in the first place. You're begging the question and inserting your priors

Just install gentoo you faggot pussy.

Finally, a moral high ground I can justify living off porn commissions.

Isn't le ebin amateur porn all the hype among nerds these days anyway?

most 'amateur' porn as explained in the documentary is actually 'professional amateur', its actually made by professional companies

I agree. I remember some Nordic country where the right to sell sex was legal, but the right to buy was illegal, and you couldn't receive money that was gained through prostitution (be a pimp). So the law affirms your right to your body, but disallows the claim to someone else's body. Pretty smart laws that put give prostitutes' rights over Johns, while discouraging prostitution.

Unfortunately it's not just that.
Thanks to glorious liberal feminist propaganda a lot of those girls legitimately think they are somehow liberating and empowering themselves by doing porn. Which is like shooting yourself in the foot to show who's in charge.

Fuck sake, there's nothing inherently wrong with porn you moralist. If someone likes doing porn then that's a good thing, and they're lucky for being able to do something they like and get paid for it, not some sad scenario of brainwashing or whatever.

Modern pornstars can produce their porn themselves, therefore they own their own means of production, therefore they are bourgeois.

This pretty much. If a woman was in such dire straits for money she could always hook. I think all of the contention that followers porn both from society and the hang-ups performers themselves have about their job are bullshit moral mores.

union when?

I know that and I ain't no moralist.
Unfortunately the overall populace don't agree with this and pornstars tend to be heavily discriminated against, especially in the USA.
Good luck finding a "normal" job after your employer finds out that you did porn in the past.

Which is weird because so many of them simultaneously love hentai and other forms of foreign erotica. So many of them haven't even made the historical connection yet that erotica and masturbation was considered pretty normal and harmless in a lot of places until Christianity moved in and used their cultural hegemony to vilify it, hell they are still trying to vilify it even now years after the french revolution and enlightenment.

Your average Holla Forums fag seems like a guy who watches E Micheal Jones rant about how all erotica is a Jewish and Protestant conspiracy and then proceeds to jerk it to the latest loli foot doujin.

I propose we boycott the porn industry by collectively seizing your means of reproduction qt 😙😙

Women are liberated now they don't have a husband to boss them around and provide for them.

It is progressive.:^)

So then, gulag all camgirls?

As long as it's a sexy gulag.

Whenever I Google "cuckqueen" all I see's your standard housewife getting plowed by a Mandingo images. Female cucks must be pretty rare…

Dafug's that?

>>>/cuckquean/

Audio porn is the only true porn.

Proving once again that 2d>3d and furryism is an ethical choice.

Speaking of which 4/v/ was being spammed with E Micheal Jones videos and anti masturbation and anti porn guys trying to stop all lewds and 2d on Holla Forums with the force of their puritanism. Remember though Holla Forums really cares about chan culture and is not a subversive force at all.

Speaking of which 4/v/ was being spammed with E Micheal Jones videos and anti masturbation and anti porn guys trying to stop all lewds and 2d on Holla Forums with the force of their puritanism. Remember though Holla Forums really cares about chan culture and is not a subversive force at all.

3d porn, sure. But hentai is fine

Why don't we ever talk about the men who do porn? At least the women have status and fame, the men on the other hand are literally just penises there to please the pornstars. No one knows their names and they don't get half the pay that the women do. Why? A lot of the time they're names aren't even mentioned in the videos even though they're just as responsible for creating the content.

His aunt?!?! Scandalous.

Wanna bet that 90% of the so called "queans" on that board are men?

unironically this

Porn is going to die out once VR becomes widely available.

it's a chan board man so obviously.

I think I could get into that.

MMD porn is top tier but it's unfortunate how 90% has noticeable issues and the best videos are from the Japanese but they are censored or hoarded and never released to the public because of damn gaijins.

I am not discounting your experience, but just want to say not all porn is bad. Pro shot porn, is pretty much all shit, and I don't say this because it's "exploitative" but it just is super shitty an unrealistic. In fact, I think "pro shot" porn is the reason I now love natural or stereotypically "unloved" women so much.

I love black girls now – and that's all porn's fault, no lie. They spend so much time fetishizing young blonde white girls that I basically got sick of the bullshit and went full circle. Now I pretty much watch home made interracial.

In general, I love porn that is amateur and "user submitted" anyways. You even notice that "pro shot" porn is trying to make their own stuff look amateur despite having been made with much better equipment.

I guess I feel the need to type all this because radlib feminists will just agree with you and insist we need to ban all porn and it's the "only logical conclusion" or something.

Google uses your past search history for results, I just get bdsm and threesome stills with text on them. I dunno exactly how rare they are, but most subs or switches will do it if they're into group sex.

VR really don't live up to the promises of immersion the company that shills the Oculus Rift make. Just my opinion…

Me too. I wonder who's got the time to make them…

PS: Use DuckDuckGo.com for web searches. I don't think they do all that data mining Google does which is why they're becoming a popular alternative. Plus you get a lotta results $$$Google$$$ don't show in it's first page of results.

Tumblr autists.

I already do, you said google so I assumed that's what you used.

That's what I originally tried too, then I remembered DuckDuckGo is a thing…

No doubt, but we can just close our eyes and imagine.

PORN IS EVIL

STOP WATCHING PORN

Someone should take up one of those ads posing as a girl, get flown out to Miami or LA or whatever, rob them when they get there and use the cash to have a nice vacation at the beach, courtesy of the porn industry.

There is literally nothing wrong with what you posed. Women are hypergamous fuck machines who only want Chad. Porn puts them to their greatest use; why would you deny them their calling? They are merely expressing their sexuality, so you really have to wonder if you are oppressing them by opposing porn.

Is this book good or is it just posted because of the funny cover?

2virgin4me

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Just get off to 2D doujins from now on, watching porn only encourages more degenerate and slutty women.

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