I've always been a left leaning centrist, I had a fascist episode for a short time I attribute it to being on half chan Holla Forums and the propaganda getting to me.
I've been shat on many time for being against totalitarianism and also free range capitalism which I have a huge problem with and i'm starting to lose friends because it, they claim to be Ustaše (fascist) but they didn't even know what state corporatism how can I show these people that free range capitalism is shit and total totalitarianism while remaining an ardent Nationalist which I am. They won't listen my mans they keep cucking for billionaires.
Also first time posting on leftypol and only lurked for a bit so I don't really know the collective mind on nationalism and centrism.
Your position is understandable assuming you haven't read any books. Read some books about leftist political philosophy then come back
Jordan Jackson
Recommend any books? Also being left leaning is a death sentence in my community and my whole family despises Communism and anything of that sort and so do I. Albeit what i've just stated i'm open to almost anything.
Jeremiah Long
WE HAVE A READING LIST YOU BLIND ASSHOLE
Brody Williams
Quit being a dick, this guy is new and is very clearly curious about what goes on here
But yes there is a reading list in the sticky that you should check out
Thomas Reyes
Google Bookchin
Chase Roberts
You say that every time I tell a newfag to read the threads we have specifically for them, and they keep not reading them and making the board worse. Might as well just delete those threads and let every newfag make a thread for the most basic questions we get every day.
Jose Phillips
Ok thanks but I have school and work which book would give me the most bang for my buck?
Also i'm quite cautious of that "Progressive" label does it mean what I think it means in the social sense of today aka "SJW's" or just equality?
Logan Harris
I honestly don't know why the hell was the word "progressive" used the person who made that book list.
Christian Roberts
Oh so you don't know neither? Welp I would assume "Das Kapital" would be a good start?
Nolan Thomas
Probably an attempt to get liberals to read it.
Bentley Perry
Israel is turning me on.
Christian Miller
Das kapital will probably be too much for an introductory lesson. I say go with society of the spectacle, it's not too hard for beginners
Hunter Watson
You sound irrationally angry. Also I have no idea who you are.
James Bennett
Get outta here Zionist piggie.
Ok i'll try it out, also how do combat capitalism and still have a healthy economy and society?
Ethan Sullivan
there are a million answers to your question. To make things easier i will have to ask what do you picture as a "healthy" society.
Levi Mitchell
No poverty nor huge wage gaps between the peoples. Traditional and Nationalist sentiment.
Brody Parker
lol don't ask me This planet is pretty fucked. The only places on earth that are close to "socialism" (I would put that inside as many quotes as possible) Are capitalist societies that tax industry and those with high incomes to a significantly greater extent. So nowhere on earth is real socialism, and never was. Anyone else who says otherwise is deluded. We're stuck working within capitalism and bourgeois democracy for the time being. But, hey, that's just my opinion man.
Aiden Sullivan
All three volumes of Capital are about 1500 pages long, and it can be also confusing and dry at times. Although reading the first chapter of Capital Vol. 1 would be useful to understand the very basics of Marxist economics.
Kevin Bell
Jesus that's long. I'll read the other book recommended to me.
Justin Cooper
I didn't tell you to read all of it. The first chapter of it is only 20 pages long and pretty important (it's basically the labour theory of value).
Jack Reed
You can't realistically keep the society stable and resist capitalism. If your movement has any substantial power and is a threat to the burgeoise it will be repressed. With repression, civil war or any knid of revolution you can't expect living standards to stay the same during the unrest. If the burgeoise are not repressing your movement you are not a threat to them and you are no fighting capitalism. What is ironic in fact is that the superior living standards of modern society are a reaction to socialism, most social democratic and welfare politics are meant to satisfy the working class and prevent revolts. What we can see today is this model becoming unsustainable, and the burgeoise wanting revert to old, lower living standards and work realations. You can see this reflected in the new uber model and worker rights being taken back all around the globe.
Carson Adams
Wage, Labour & Capital and then Value, Price & Profit before anything tbh. They're only like 30 pages each and will be good enough to prime you on the basics of Marxist thought before you try and tackle any of the 1000 page volumes of Capital.
Logan Murphy
Read Marx, then read Lenin, then read Trotsky
Gavin Diaz
don't actually do this
Anthony Bell
seconding this
Aiden Sullivan
Sage.
Lurk more. Also read Marx. See PDFs related.
Charles Baker
Reposting
Daniel Hall
Excuse me?
Noah Ward
It's literally the product of bourgeois ideology.
Colton Torres
??? You can't just say that with no explanation.
David Wood
The nation-state was created through the overthrow of the then ruling-class (monarchs) by the bourgeoisie class
Elijah Sullivan
Did monarch's not rule over nation-states?
Angel Cook
monarchs*
Anthony Cruz
Not a nation state in the way we conceptualize it. Feudalism bruh
Nathaniel Morris
And when you say nationalism is important, may I ask why you think so and what value do you perceive in the nation?
Jordan Martinez
Easiest way to conceptualize it (and this is obviously simplified) is the difference in fealty, where under feudalism you pledge loyalty to a monarch and under the nation-state you pledge loyalty to the nation (hence "nation"alism)
Adam Lee
No. Feudalistic kingdoms are not analogous to modern nation-states.
Jeremiah Thomas
start by watching these videos instead of jumping right into capital
If you are interested in anarchism you also have this.
Matthew Allen
Nationalism is a misguided notion really. It tends to squash localized culture and ethnicity in favor of some false construct that is "the nation". France use to have hundreds of different dialects before efforts to create a single ethno-state destroyed them. My suggestion would be learning more about anthropology and how people have actually organized themselves and lived historically first before reading anything else, but if you just want a critique of the commodity form then there's plenty of good suggestions already posted ITT.
Jayden Jones
WELCOME TO THE NAZBOL GANG OP
Kayden Clark
Is the book related about anthropology?
Ayden Cox
The 8 values test is shit.
Jace Morales
Predominately yes. It covers other things as well though.
Cooper Hall
Read the last PDF in Nationalism from the beginning has been a ploy to make workers accept their own exploitation in the name of the "greater good".
Elijah Thompson
Maybe, if you're very brave, try to read what inspired socialism ideology and socialism ideology itself in historical order of appeareance. This is the best way to look critically at each doctrine.
La Boetie : Discourse on Voluntary Servitude, or the Anti-Dictator Rousseau : The social contract Proudhon : What is Property ? Stirner : the ego and its own (must read before german ideology) Marx : manifesto, German Ideology Gotha Kritik, Capital volume 1 chapter one is good. I have only read the abridged version Capital so I can't tell if the full work worth it. Maybe from an historical perpective if you want to know exactly how industrial revolution happened. Bakunin : God and the State Lenin : State and revolution Luxembourg : Reform or revolution Bordiga : Party and Class and Fundamental Theses of the Party Malatesta : well i read all his work in one book and I don't remember what is from what but it's not long or hard. Trotsky : the revolution betrayed Stalin : Principles of leninism (never red but tankies will get butthurt if not quoted) Mao : On contradiction Debord : Society of spectacle Bookchin : Post scarcity anarchism (other books recommended by user are good tho) Hakim Bay : temporary autonomous zone And last but not least, the shitty infight of communisation theoricians Dauvé and "Théorie Communiste" : endnotes.org.uk/issues/1/en/endnotes-bring-out-your-dead
Blake Scott
Well maybe i made little mistakes with order of appeareance but not so far so nevermind
Ryan Brown
Moje iskreno sožalje P.S. Gib access to sea k thx
Lincoln Price
Catholic fascsts, the worst kind. I would kill with no remorse.
