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What is your peoples opinions about Not Socialism. I guess you are educated enough to know that Not Socialism was a pretty leftist concept.. Only difference that it was 100% limited to the nation itself.

Do you guys support the idea of it since it is socialism and obviously was a very successful kind of socialism from 1933-1939?

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Here are some points of the NSDAP's manifesto:

You should lurk before you post, newfag.

How come they killed all the socialists and kept every businessman in power except for the Jewish ones? Hitler was a Keynesian capitalist like Mussolini.

Read a book moron


Yeah good socialism famalam I rate it 14/88

this goddam thread every single day

So? Where's the problem with letting the physically strong work and letting the women take care of their children and families?
The fact that this is not supported by governments anymore is the reason why European fertility rates are as low as they are.

Not all labor is manual

You know that the state giving jobs to people isn't socialism right? That happens under every economic system back to feudalism.

getting btfo in a war and loosing so manny men that you need to use children as partisans isn´t good for the birth rate either

Wew lad.

stop going on Holla Forums and read, dumbass

None of these people would have a job if it wasn't for the person who founded and manages the factory. And no one holds you back doing the same. You can do that any time.
Call me a capitalist, I don't care. You know it's true.

indeed, there would be nobody to operate the job creating machine
now leave imageboards and read books about history, philosophy and politics

That is actually 100% true.

Saying "HURR BUT BUT I READ MORE BOOKS THAN U!" won't change anything about that.


Not OP

user, jobs don't come out of a machine that only a capitalist can operate
you are agreeing with an actual parody of capitalist rethoric
I don't know what more I can say, I can't believe this is something I have to explain
every day I am faced with more and more absurd arguments from our Holla Forums friends

"The job creating machine" in capitalism is private capital (i.e. the means of production).

In communism the means of production are held as a common good. The "job creation machine" is operated by the workers.


Is that so?

why do you cunts have to ask this question every day

Who built the factory? Who extracted the raw materials? Who makes all the products? The answer to all three questions is the working class. The only thing the capitalist does is take capital produced by workers and direct it somewhere else. Simply replace them with another mechanism for the management of capital like the state, syndicates, worker's councils, etc.

First of all that's not true, despite all commercial capital being created by workers, it is appropriated backed by force by the capitalists. Meaning that despite workers being the sole creators of wealth, they are unable to have access to what they themselves have created. So their lack of access to capital is a major barrier. Then there's the fact that 80% of all businesses fail within 10 years, meaning that even if a worker can gain ascend into the capitalist class, their position is extremely insecure and they are almost guaranteed to slip back into the proletariat. Finally there's the fact that even if they can become successful capitalists, all that's happened is they have become parasites themselves, but the fact that the majority of people are parasitized hasn't changed.

“Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes’ excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire (l926) might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics. There is scarcely anything to object to in it and there is much to applaud.”

- Mussolini

Much of the New Deal was modeled after fascist Italy. I pull my hair out when people call FDR a socialist.

There's nothing "wrong" with it, user, what I'm saying is that if someone wants to work they should be allowed to whether they're male or female or white or black or whatever. Whoever doesn't agree is not a Socialist, at least not a good one.

A type of "socialism" that allow private propriety, need to start a war to survive, that is a reaction to actual socialism, that is financed by american jews and exist only to preserve capitalism is not a successful example of socialism


Also capitalists don't manage the factory, most of them don't even vote in shareholder meetings. They essentially do nothing and get paid for it. Managers are the ones who actually run the company, and they are technically proles.

Really? Can you give me a source? I'd like to learn more.


Please note that I didn't mean FDR was a fascist or anything, he was a liberal but during the 30s the general populous really liked Italy and there was even sympathy for Hitler.

Good. Fuck jobs. Jobs are not necessary for work to get done. Without the capitalist there would just be the need, the labor power, and the resources to meet that need with labor power. People would do the work out of drive to meet the need instead of drive to make money they'd have to exchange to convince other people to meet other needs. Capitalism is just a scheme to obscure how production actually works so that capitalists can skim off the top without anyone noticing.

Eeeeh, but thanks, will read.