Leftist Black Magik

Didn't stop Benjamin from referring to the Kabbalah.

There's that Cyclonopedia thing. At least I assume it's magick because I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

Hegel. marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/magee.htm

So whats the difference between dialectical and vulgar materialism and why did Marx say the essense of man is nature and likewise?

Have you even read the 1844 manus?

Why don't you faggots read some occult texts instead of needing everything to be baptized into this stupid Holla Forums Approved™ leftist circle jerk branding nonsense and create your own interpretations from there?

On second thought, maybe if you guys were capable of free thought, threads like this wouldn't exist in the first place.

RAW is ok I guess but his fans are insuferable "both sides are stupid tfw too intelligent" types

magic sucks

It's a damaging misconception that occultism is anti-materialist. Occultism is monistic, i.e. it holds that thought and spirit have a material basis which is too subtle to be detected by the science of today. Nothing more materialist than that.

In a post-Enlightenment society, the only role that occultism and mysticism plays is regressive at best, or outright reactionary. Consider Adorno:
whomakesthenazis.com/2010/09/adorno-theses-on-occultism.html

Whoa really made me think

Were did OP even ask for any sort of approval?

If you're talking Deleuze, Bataille, Benjamin

you gotta talk Tiqqun

Left magik? Perfect opportunity to post The Horde.

mediafire.com/file/pokubjjz181nnk4/The_Horde_(2004_GN)_(samm-DCP).cbr

subtle

Why do they hate autonomists so much?

"The Revolution" is to leftists what "The Rapture" is to christians

Same spooky bullshit.

they don't afaik they just see Negri as recuperated

They call them cretins in the PDF and I remember reading similar insults towards them in their other works, too.

except there have been revolutions in the past 200 years, and there will be revolutions in the next 200
the problem is not the capitalist as a person but the system of capitalism

you'll have to come up with something a bit more original than "communism is just liek religious guys"

I'm not really familiar with Negri at all.

Is shitting on him equal to shitting on Autonomia?

Communism isn't like religion but the idea of "The Revolution" as it is conceived in the average first world leftist mind sure is a lot like "The Rapture"

a functional education system

that's just the grayish magic of barely-functioning succdemocracy, or chirstdem scared shitless of the red spectre.

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Why does the idea trigger you so much? This isn't a matter of 'feels' vs. 'reals', retard, the nature of spirit is a mystery to science.

LOL you will never tap into esoteric meme magikkk.

It is inherently masculine, exclusionary, and rooted in Christian tradition.

The best you can do sink into a deleuzian torpor and off yourselves. This has some meme potential.

See this shit Holla Forums? This is why you don't disregard spiritual matters with"lmao spooks xdd" the moment you do that you leave the field open to right-wingers. Magick is already an arena of class struggle.

Not really. it's just that everything points to hard materialism (i.e. superdeterminist solution to Bell's theorem, Dennett's lame copouts), but every scientists and philosopher alike always looks the other way.

perhaps it's just that the ego is an illusion but the experience of here and now is real :^)

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I always wanted to get into occultism but I haven't found a comprehensible and accessible guide that I can trust.
I think one of the problems are the occultists themselves, some times I can tell very easily they're cranks or charlatans and the stuff they talk about was made up by them or bastardized from real sources and not part of a larger and trustworthy tradition.
I do want to get into occultism but keeping my grains of salt, you know what I mean.

What does Holla Forums generally think of the o9a/sinister way

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This is why people don't like Bookchinites

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hehehe

A Holla Forumsypp, everyone. Never knows shit about things he talks about, always contradicts himself.

Gnostic Kabbalism of course.

Because he tells uncomfortable truths?

well, it might not for you, lol

This is true, a lefyist won't just happen because daddy Marx said it would, we have to work to bring ut about.

This is true, a revolution won't just happen because daddy Marx said it would, we have to work to bring it about.

Based af

I for one, will do anything to bring about the Nazbol Imperium

we have Social Justice Necromancer and Druid United Squadrons over at godsandradicals.com

You see these contradictions are a part of Greater Truth you do not understand, for ancestral meme Magick (with k, not just c you disgusting moogle) is just one of the manifestations of Ancient Nazbol Supercomputer God on the dark side of the moon!

You're in a protest and this guy tell you to get a gun - what do?

Dun tel me what to do. Anarky unite, praise jesus ::DDD

gnostics.com/newdawn-1.html

Nicholas Chernyshevsky (1828-1889), who spent much of his life in penal servitude, penned the utopian novel What Is To Be Done? as a vision of the future new society and a guidebook for the revolutionaries who would build it. Chernyshevsky wrote:

Chernyshevsky’s novel inspired two generations of idealistic young radicals. Among them was Alexandre Ulianov, the beloved elder brother of V.I. Lenin. He was executed in 1887 for his part in the attempted assassination of Tsar Alexander III. Vladimir Lenin told how Chernyshevsky’s What Is To Be Done? “captivated my brother, and captivated me… It transformed me completely.” What impressed the future leader of the Russian Revolution was how Chernyshevsky:

One mans mysticism is another's lunacy.

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Dude guys what are you doing here?? You are missing out on a schway gamergate thread! Hurry and you might still catch it!

Sage

Redpill me on the Soviet occultism. It's rarely discussed unlike the Nazi one.

Both send their expeditions to Tibet, etc. When Hitler invaded Stalin used help of religion and occultism.

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Explain why it isn't

Then we're in luck since the only people who say "magick" unironically irl are aging hippies

Castañeda, Jodorowsky, Alan Moore?

More like Bookchinites are uncomfortable with the sinister energies of the cosmos

Reminder Jodorowsky is a pretentious asshole who admitted to raping a co-star on camera when shooting El Topo

booksc.org/dl/11443190/41a6fa

RAW was a reactionary idiot

dont speak on topics you dont understand

Who?

I saw this Anarchist guy that wrote a book on using magic and witchcraft to achieve the Revolution…yeah. I forgot the guy's name unfortunately.

Some old guy, looks like he started the philo department at Quinnipiac. Wrote about mysticism a lot in the early 20th C. P good article dont you think?

What's a good place to start?

I'll read it later today and then post

LOL

A Norman Cohn reader, respect!

emj a shit

His philosophy is a watered down version of Crowley's philosophy which is a watered down version of Nietzsche's philosophy. All reactionary trash.

The author comes from post-breakup Ukraine, so he had reason to be afraid. Fun fact: given the death trap that was the ex-USSR in the 90s, he applied for that USA visa lottery and won. But it had such shit opportunity for jobs there that he returned to Ukraine kek

What book should one read first?

t. Prod

Finally read it, So it suggestes that dialectics itself is a form of mysticism? I kind of see why but my question now is where do i go from that?

for what purpose

www2.ubishops.ca/baudrillardstudies/vol1_2/smith.htm

This is a pretty good article, sometimes it's easier to read articles on him if you're overwhelmed by his sometimes cryptic writing.

Otherwise I'd say chapter 1 of symbolic exchange and death, "the end of production," seduction, the spirit of terrorism. The evil demon of images is also pretty short and could be a place to get a taste of what you're in for.

Overall I'd say Evil Demon of Images and the interview after it

Also peep this "Baudrillard dictionary" for help with his jargon: baudrillard.enacademic.com/

Is Eliphas Levi /ourguy/?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliphas_Levi

Eliphas Levi

IS NAZBOL

ultraculture.org/blog/2015/11/13/psychonaut-field-manual/

bluefluke.deviantart.com/art/The-Psychonaut-Field-Manual-FOURTH-PDF-EDITION-530005584

bluefluke.tumblr.com/post/107632697953/the-psychonaut-field-manual-get-the-pdf-version-by

All occultism is the same thing using different language. Chaos magick brings these concepts together under a modern lexicon.

Someone please explain how loopy bourgeois metaphysics is amenable to leftism and materialism?

2spooky

It's not. This is just a thread to help us understand how little Holla Forums offers in terms of usable revolutionary praxis.

REMINDER:

youtube.com/watch?v=XGKh7K-GI5g

Wew lad, I bet that video would make a lot of Holla Forumsyps make shit in their pants

This seems right up my alley
I'll need to make time to read it properly

see

Will read, though I'm not entirely sure a 3 page essay will convince me.

I found one of the articles it cites on JSTOR and made a Pastebin of it for you/others:

pastebin.com/AHMED71y

To your question, I think it's obvious that Marxism and communism are associated with a certain godlessness, which is appropriate. But there is work to do in clarifying what stance to take towards reality. These days, we have the word scientism for the view that seems to deaden technical rationality to a point where you are saying "here, this is the mechanical nature of the world, accept it or be deluded."

This is of the order of vulgar materialism which Marx rejected. Yet precisely this attitude is to be found in much reproduction of communist ideology. Therefore "where you go from here" is to chart your own course of how you see the world and how communism fits into that.

To put it simply, to recapitulate, dialectics is the unity of opposites and therefore grasps the deep union of the mystical experience. Dialectical materialism is this understanding applied to the workings out of human history in the solid world, the grasping of creation of the unity of history through the opposition of classes to one another. Communism is the grasping of the unity of the opposites capital and labor, necessarily pointing beyond them to the "unmediated" experience of the cosmos by a more healthy and full man.

I think we have to reflect on our own deeper natures- our own lingering attachment to conceptions of labor and capital which are inadequate to the task of challenging their superficial opposition.

I also think there is the big question of whether opposites are always unified or whether they become unified at a certain time. I believe positing the former is more helpful here, since it removes the problem of teleology from the equation. I.E. how do we know private property will fall away? It is because in a way private property has not existed. It bears consideration as a commonly experienced relation but this in no way implies its objective reality (that anyone "really" owns the Earth for instance). Opening of Capital:

Already we are in the realm of as-if here.

So what else as-if? I can't tell you where you should go, but maybe a better question is where you already are without yet being aware, or of what you are aware without being aware you are aware. I think the way that "black magic" can help is when we are ourselves able to go beyond the normative ways of thinking of the world to grasp something more effective. But be careful, because all this esotericism is well known by the relevant authorities. The Marxist analysis of mysticism has to do with undertaking an analysis of metaphysics to understand what the powerful cannot allow themselves to believe, how they hamstring themselves in ways which we don't have to emulate.

But again, they know this is the game and will do everything to throw us off- making us think they are unable of one thing so that we do not discover their real weakness. If I could tell you the answer I would, but I am still in the process of discovery myself.

Maybe I can ask you this: what are the sticking points for you theoretically otherwise? What are some specific issues you can't find your way past?

Bump to read this later

Tbh esoteric trad quasi prim soc seems nice

A small farm in a isolated dark forest with a few families who all work for the common good

It could be kinda volkish but the chill down to earth hippy pagan not the 1488. As shitty as it sounds I actually think the black sun is a cool symbol.

was right it seems

Read Stealing Fire From Heaven by Nevil Drury, and Condensed Chaos by Phil Hine.

also, Grant Morrison wrote a good introduction to chaos magick here: disinfo.com/2014/10/pop-magic-grant-morrison/

and there's also The Psychonaught Field Manual

Dr. Bones
He writes for godsandradicals.org/ a sort of leftist paganist webpage that also publishes books.
Pic is him

Finally read it
It lost me really quickly since I'm not really interesting in magick

The essay and your comment all seem to stem from the same conclusions but my question is still the same, where do I go from here?

My question is the same, why dont you already know? What are you hung up on?

This is clear if you read camus the rebel, the chapter on Marxism and rational terror. I maintain the solution is to say your truth is already extant, avoiding teleology by positing transhistorical truth. Its another philosophical problem but i maintain a more soluble one

A trust worthy source, as I said on

I find such a life stupefying tbh, I want the complete opposite. My ideal would be a society in which I can live as a neet/hermit dedicated to my esoteric philosophical studies and where I am not forced to speak to normies, ever. Class society cannot grant me this and even if it were it would be a sham, a charade in which I seek muh enlightenment while being surrounded by misery and exploitation.

Something new must come to being which is not our current mercantile society with all its mundane values but is not a return to any sort of idealized, provincial, volkish past. This something new is what I would define as socialism.

Ironically what mostly makes reactionaries bad is reacting instinctively because of desparation over some immediate problems, ignoring the structural questions surrounding it at a deeper level. It's the thought process that makes so easy to turn them into tools, as we saw happen recently with our Holla Forums friendos.

What I mean is that it's a stupid thing leading to dumbing down and closed-mindedness, just like pidgeonholing complex systems of thought into buzzwords because they're too broad to fit into some litte conception of what a political ideology can be.

So, lets think that again?

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Hey everyone, stop talking about serious occultism and post more interesting figures like the ones OP posted.

I like this.

What's trustworthy to you? I think your bar is too high. You have to read people you don't agree with and find your own interpretation. Baudrillard is the highest imo, the essay Gnostic baudrillard is ace

lol its already here faggot. Normie is a spook category, the masses are hella more woke than conventionally imagined. Shit you are a normie, nigger. Trying to be perpetually edgy is bourg af. The edgiest is skepticism, then mysticism, then silence. As long as you acting out you can Fuck off with this holier than thou bullshit

There are so many >implications in that post I don't even know where to begin, but if that's how you wanna play

Then why even be a leftist? We are already living in the end of history it seems, there is no room for improvements, so why bother?

Woke in what sense? As in class consciousness? Look without getting into specifics let's just say I have a job where I interact both with proles and bourgies, the proles seem more interested in sex, beer and football than in muh revolution, then again I could be wrong about this (and I want to be wrong tbh)

If you mean woke as in a spiritual sense… most people are content with staying withing the exoteric part of the religion they were raised in… nothing wrong with that per se, much worse is when they adopt a misinformed new age worldview.

As for the normie part, it's not really relevant if normies are a real thing or not, my point is that *I'd prefer not to* interact with people I don't like, normies or not, don't anarchists have a word for that, "voluntary association" or whatever?

You are the one blasting in and calling me nigger out of nowhere, is that not edgy? And how am I perpetually edgy? My post was rather tame by chan standards, I can also be pretty mellow if I want to, and I do hide my power level in public so no, I don't act perpetually edgy, sounds to me like you're projecting.

I'm legit baffled by this and would like to know what did you mean by this.

As long as you acting out you can Fuck off with this holier than thou bullshit

If it sounded like I was being holier than thou I'm sorry, all I was saying is I would like to be left alone and capitalist relations of production prevent me from that so I am for abolishing capitalism, not sure why are you acting so flustered about it.

Will occultism let shoot fireballs from my hands?

What? I can't see why a monarchist, ultramontanist counter-revolutionary like De Maistre would ever be popular in socialist circles.

Is that a grill? I want to cuddle with a communist Jewish sorceress.

"[Occult] societies, instead of educating the workers, submit them to authoritarian and mystical laws, which hinder their independence and direct their consciousness in a wrong direction" (Marx-Engels Werke Vol. 17, p655).

Talk to the anons over on >>>/occcult/. They do not come across as pretentious or delve into pill theory politics like /fringe/ which has become a second Holla Forums. /occult/ seems like they are pretty knowledgable and down to earth guys.

Oops >>>/occult/

Nick Land

:^)

nice hadith

Diego Rivera was a member of The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC.

rosicrucian.org/

Marx and Engels confirmed as libertarians. Take that tankies.

He's a rightist.

Because he was against muh bourgeois liberalism so he must be good. Same attitude some have today with anti-imperialism.

real fucking spooky and not the kind that people were hoping for in this thread

Discordian magic is non-authoritarian, and people like Jack Parsns or Robert Anton Wilson had positive attitude to Marxism. This Marxist criticism applies to right-wing, traditional forms of occiltism which was popular in romantic Germany of their times, and from which modern Nazis take their mysticism.

this is getting dumber and dumber

Tell that to Dugin.

Also, while RAW was critical of capitalism he certainly did not have a positive attitude towards Marxism.

Specious reactionary nonsense. Stop trying to rehabilitate him and leave RAW to the McKenna/Joe Rogan types.

Peruse this interview for more reactionary nonsense: anarchistnews.org/content/long-live-anarchy-interview-robert-anton-wilson

This is instructive as well:twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/691777340087635969

Oh, and this: twitter.com/cuttlefish_btc/status/722608746522931200

A candle shouldn't be that bright to damage your eyes but if it's just for learning to focus you can use any object or even just stare at the wall.

This is certainly very interesting from a historical point of view, on the one hand pre-marxist socialism already prefigured the antirational iliberalism of a Sorel or even a Dugin, the darkest conclusion one can reach though is that if indeed western esoterism and socialism were conjoined at birth then nazbols and eurasianists and all related spoopy ideologies could claim to be inheritors of a legitimate socialist tradition, that was somehow damaged by Marxist materialism (a paleo-socialism if you will) and I really should stop now, since I don't want to be giving pseudo-leftists any more ideas.

Shit forgot to sage this shit thread

That is an oxymoron in the fullest sense.

He was right-libertarian is some respects, and no, he did not have a positive attitude towards Marxism. He was leftist in some areas and supported European Socialist countries though. Basically, he applied his agnostic fundamentalism to politics which makes him hard to pigeonhole. And he shifted his views throughout his life.

delet this.

Sorry im a retard and like to swear.

Not what I said, my point is the field is already open for you to do what you want, we are limiting ourselves at this point. The sentiments you describe make me think you like being "weird" when were all more alike than we let on or are willing to admit. Also identifying as a leftist is worthless. This board should be renamed.

Class consciousness is not really a thing. Species being is a better word. This post cynicism bs shows that people have already considered lots of radical ideas. As homer simpson would say just because I dont agree doesn't mean I dont understand. We're missing the next gear, people have caught up and we've stopped progressing.

Acting out human functions is all there is. Why should people be interested in the rev at this point? We've shown them nothing. Many leftists arent really interested in the rev either.. Its all commodity consumption.

Im into panentheism and taoism, imo everyone is enlightened and theres nowhere else to go. This is informing my perspective here.

Guess what you dont choose who lives on the planet with you. Man makes history but not in conditions of his choosing. My aggression toward you was predicated on my understanding Normie as a hateful term.

I mean, youre not wrong ha. I would say at this point saying nigger on the internet isn't v edgy, but its obviously more of a hateful term than normie so i cant really defend it. But at least I accept that I am a nigger and a faggot, while you are deluded into thinking youre not a normie. Kudos on hiding your power level.

Reason leads to the limits of reason. Muenchhausens trilemma, you cant prove anything. Next, accept that limits can't be defined and thus dont exist. You are everything. Then silence because what is there to say to no one? Words dont even exist… So why am I a communist? Because Fuck it im confronted with appearances and im going to make my own appearance. No point killing myself since death isn't real. Im communist because its the least retarded thing to be. But I don't believe in it- the unmediated relatinship of man to nature marx is after in 1844 is always already here.

Communism will leave you alone less than capitalism… Look i feel for you but youre not above normal, this is classic shit. Everyone you see is a future party member, is our constituency, remember that. If youre for communism but just want it to happen around you so you continue with your atomized life, I think you arent seing the commune in communism.

like clockwork

Going by other stuff said on this thread, marxist dialectics are a form of occultism, the irrational aspects of earlier socialists have been thrown out and its still compatible with other forms of occultism.

That theme is cancer but it will have to serve

Its like these 3 books on pic related, that is literally how everything feels to me.

Bump

Feels ARE real

And I thought lefties were the smart ones

The good old days were when smart people did almost nothing but

Alan?