Revolutionary Mass Suicide

This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard I think.

I'm not that good at it. I don't know how spectacular it would be if a handful of people can't finish the act.

That's not what I said. I said capitalism requires labor and consumption.

Ergo, destruction of something that capitalism needs to function causes capitalism to stop functioning, regardless of whether this thing is good or bad.

Do you actually disagree with the premises or conclusions though?

There are an awful lot of broken arrows.

I disagree with the premise that the bourgeoisie will give up their power if "enough people" threaten to kill themselves.

You're fucking retarded. Just embrace anti-natalism and be done with it.

>>>/fuckoff/

I don't advocate that anyone should start yet. By all means, it needs to spread first. I wouldn't advocate just offing yourself any more than I would suggest throwing a brick through a 7-11's front window would end capitalism.

Once enough people get on board with it, sure I'll join up. Of course anti-natalism should always be embraced anyway.

Fair enough, but if they do then you go through with the threat.

Then start with yourself you dumb anarkid, boy I bet that would sure show your highschool pals how HARDxCORE you are huh?

Finally someone said what we're all thinking!

You may actually be on to something here. Let's have all the people that are critical of the system kill themselves. That'll show them who's boss!

It's not about being hardcore. It's about causing an unrecoverable crisis for capitalism.

Still nobody has shown that capitalism can survive without labor or consumption.

I really don't follow your logic.
Of course capitalism cannot survive without labour or consumption, but do you honestly think you can get everyone on board with some suicide pact? Maybe it would be easier to get everyone on board with a revolution? Same outcome anyway.

Or we could just go NEET.

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Revolutions, protests, and nonparticipation can be suppressed with violence, threats of reprisal, jailing, infiltration, or many, many other actions.

On the contrary, it is extremely difficult to stop someone who is determined to go through with killing themselves because many of these actions do not actually stop, or even aid, in the attempt to end ones' own life. Capitalists have many tools to prevent the labor from acting out against capitalists, they have almost nothing to stop labor acting out against itself.

I actually have embraced this. I just got sidetracked.

As a piece of trivia, there actually is even bourgeoisie political value in suicide. For instance, I live in an urban part the Southern US. Urban parts give these states more electoral votes, but in a state like mine the urban parts tend to be left of most of the state (by comparison). Since the party that wins more of the state overall gets all electoral votes, we could literally affect both porky profits and the slant of mainstream election politics via mass suicide by decreasing the amount of votes the south gets.

Seems to me that one of the biggest coming crisis of capitalism is not having enough jobs for all the workers. If enough unemployed would off themselves we could save capitalism!

They're not going to let you just hang around doing nothing though.

Your options under this coming crisis of over-unemployment will be to starve, to try to revolt against the most powerful militaries in the world with the ability to kill from thousands of miles away, or to engage in a threat of action for which they literally cannot counter.

The options for the proletariat have always implied death. The difference is that you can choose it by your own hand.

If they are fine with killing us, why are they not fine with us killing ourselves?

Because it's something they have no control of. They will let us starve off until the market stabilizes, they will kill us as a means of intimidation and enforcement, and very possibly even attempt to cut off and control resources until populations reach manageable levels for the rate of employment growth.

Doing it on our own is allowing us to decide how many, who, and when it happens, and large enough participation can cause massive market instabilities as there are suddenly not enough people to fill jobs or buy product, causing massive amounts of both waste and scarcity on the part of the capitalist businesses, and leaving the rest of the working class in the position to make much stronger demands due to scarcity of labor.

That's a beautiful song, user. Where did you get it?

You're quite right, though. There's a lot more value in our lives than anyone wants us to believe.

That will never fly en masse.

If I'd be the ruler, though, I'd be extremely happy if all my political dissidents would adopt such a strategy. Perhaps, I'd even save a couple, to show how benevolent I am and how mentally deranged any of my opponents are.

I mean, it is pretty insane. Scorched Earth is fine, but only if you are also fighting. Scorched Earth without fighting is like surrendering as well as harming them a little and eliminating your side completely.

EMBRAC SELF-SACRIFICE IN THE STRUGGLE AGAINTS THE BOURGEOISIE

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There's no reason you can't do both. You might as well cause as many problems by fighting as you can first, then end it all before they can reclaim anything.

I don't mean it's entirely feasible more so than revolution save on a few points. However, it's important because it's completely unstoppable by the powers that be. The proletariat has in its hands at all times the ability to simply end capitalism whenever they want, so long as they accept their own sacrifice in doing so.

Hmmm. On major flaw though, most people don't want to die, and don't care about politics beyond momentary controversies.

This is a joke right?
Capitalism can't survive without labor and consumption. But feudalism, socialism and society can't either.
If you wanna cause damage it's a lot easier to just go guerilla.

is this a shitty attempt at something similar to the MLK suicide letter?
is CIA trying to get us to kill ourselves?
or is OP just completely absolutely retarded?

That is somewhat the point.

And do what? Most everything that you can cause damage to is profitable to replace and ultimately just causes another round of worker's labor value extraction.

Of course not. But again, most people don't want to revolt either.

For others not missing the finer points on this:

You don't necessarily need to, or even want to kill yourself to participate. You can participate simply by making the threat. The threat is the primary goal, wherein you are capable of creating social leverage purely out of the very real unavoidable threat of causing significant structural damage to society both by loss of members, by political fallout, and by other secondary disruptions. And again, this is completely unavoidable in a worst case scenario for the powers that be.

A relatively small number of people going through with it can carry a far greater number of people who don't. Making it a mass-exposure project can make even the normal suicide rate look like a horrific mass protest.

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Really not the same concept. I make no attempt to force the ruling class to "feel bad" for you. I doubt that many of them even could feel bad for you.
The plan is to make the threat that it will cause severe economic and social damage through multiple means. It's not strictly different from simply walking away from the system en masse, except that it's impossible to put down.

Did you know that your life is worth over a million dollars to porky?

afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
That america-hating stalinist may like this.

On average, 5 americans kill themselves every single hour of every day while there are two attempts every minute.

And yes, $51 billion is a lot of damage. That means that on average, every suicide costs 1.154 million dollars in cumulative damage.

i hate this planet so much

I had this idea months ago. I remember reading some kooky-looking website talking about the hypotheticals of a "right-to-death" pill being freely available to all people. It was incredibly disruptive but ended up having a lot of positive consequences, in terms of reducing inequality and empowering workers, particularly those in poverty, to demand better compensation and services.

The problem though is that while it may be effective at leveling inequality and diminishing certain power relations, mass suicide is not a guarantee of revolutionary political or economic change. Without a popular movement seeking to abolish/seize the state, mass suicide could end up propping up liberal democracy by reducing inequality, resource scarcity and population pressures. Or it could cause state collapse, but there's no guarantee that would lead to a better society.

Mass suicide needs an organized political movement to exist a priori in order to take advantage of the chaos and push for communism. And to be honest, I don't really see how the two could both exist and complement each other effectively.

you do realize that when porky plans on reducing Western populations down to manageable size that the dictate of Capital will no longer apply. what good is imaginary value to control a dubious source of labor when you have entirely controllable labor? answer is it is worth dog shit which post-porky might accidentally step on and get it all over his nice new MC shoes (TM)

furthermore it would make more sense to engage in insurrectionist actions. There is good reason k-12 education system is so universally shit across the West. Foremostly to prevent the masses from knowing how badly they are getting fucked over by their ruling oligopolies and secondly to prevent them from acquiring the education necessary to fight effectively against the aforementioned ruling system. There is so much damage that could be done to their ranks and power structure let alone their bottom lines, but most of y'all are pussies, anyways I've said too much

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Please tell me this is real.

then your suicide should be planned to make most damage possible. Jump in front of train or car on highway. Blow up police station. Take hostage a bus and crash into government building. Sure, ISIS will claim all those attacks as their own, but at least you are hurting destroying system, right?

Other important things to do:
Take out as much as you can in loan. As much as you can. Distribute the money in the form of cash to people whom would he hard to trace back to you. Commit thefts from stores and businesses and again distribute it.

Absolutely, such a movement would need an organized movement, and one that retains dedication to moving beyond the system instead of simply reducing the discomforts of living in it.