So what's exactly wrong leftcommunism, Holla Forums?

So what's exactly wrong leftcommunism, Holla Forums?

well most bordigists are gigantic purity spirals who ideological purity complex prevents them from doing anything
also they split the anti-fascist movement in italy and allowed Mussolini to rise

other leftcoms like the dutch-communist kind of ones and people who identify with second internationalists like luxemburg are cool though

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But Council Communists are against participation in parliaments and working with unions, they were the literal subject of Lenin's Leftwing Communism: An Infantile Disorder, how can you claim Bordiga was a purist when the Council Coms were twice as bad?

Break up popular fronts, discourage activism, all for what ends up either anarchist communism or what ends up as scarcely different from Leninism

I sort of like democracy

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No. That would be the liberal government the antifascists were trying desperately to preserve.

You tell me. The only time that they held power pic related happened because Bodriga was a sissy who was to lazy to do anything. Bordiga lovers on here should study history and then die

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And? Did I miss the part where Bordiga was actually King Emmanuel III in disguise?

Chiding Bordiga for not supporting proto-antifa is ironic coming from you faggot.

I mean these guys were actual fucking fascists and not basement dwellers who don't want interaccial sex in their anime, different things. There is a good post in the "march against communism" thread
One of the reasons why I'm against american antifa

You didn't miss the part where bodriga didn't do shit and ignored gramsci's numeros warnings. Also you didn't miss the part where he acted smug, like every fucking leftcom

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their analysis is correct but their conclusions are wrong
the Revolution will indeed happen when the conditions require it and the proletariat will be the 'revolutionary subject', but there is potential for the revolution way before that and I'd rather we didn't get to the point where it has to happen
also there is no real reason why a formation outside of the pure proletarian class (ie. the party) is unable to formulate a new organisation of the society, this part is pure proletarian fetishism
they also seem to have a tendency towards the esoteric over the mundane, but that's just impressions

How is this specific to Leftcommunism? I know Bordiga was a vocal critic of Democracy, but so are most Leninists.

Completely unrelated to OPs question, but what's the difference between a United Front and a Popular Front? I know Popular Fronts are a Trotskyist tactic, and United Fronts are an ML tactic, but what actually makes them different?

Also it's entirely possible for capitalism to cause a nuclear holocaust before or during its inevitable crumble, among other potential apocalypses.

And in what you quoted Bordiga also mocked Mussolini's chances in a similar manner to what you are doing to the aut-right. Who is to say what we're currently laughing at won't take power in the near future?

and how does a People's front figure into all of this?!

they had different critiques

this is part of what I mean; I would prefer not to let things get bad enough for a Revolution to be the only possible outcome

I thought Bordiga's critique was based on Lenin's. Is Organic Centralism really all that different from Democratic Centralism? Personally I've never been able to parse out why it's such a departure, so if you could enlighten me I'd be much obliged.

I think he was just pointing out things he doesn't like about Leftcoms, like their critique of activism and popular fronts.

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the "do nothing" meme is literally just that

it's probably that much of the material clarifying this is untranslated

Absolutely nothing, tbqh.

They're a cult of personality who think Marx's word is equivalent to a god's.

there's nothing wrong with that

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong either.

Neither of those things are specific to a single tendency.
United Front refers to alliances made between working class organizations and parties. Popular front refers to alliances made between communist parties and non-proletarian organizations. The the USSR joining the allies during WW2 is an example of the popular front.

it's what happens when you care about communism more than the working class

Rosa would be disappointed.

It can't and won't safeguard a post-capitalist society from bourgeois imperialists actively tryna fuck it up either by coercion or straight up war to stop it from offering a better life to Porky's still oppressed proles.

How's a fucking militia supposed to fight of a well-trained, well-equipped army when capitalism in survival mode turns into fascism like it always does?

Defender has the advantage. All that military gear can't do shit when every mile is full of people that hate you.

So if an army like The United Snakes Of America's invaded a country held by a Taliban-tier leftcom militia they wouldn't be able to take it in less than a month?

Also, what would a stateless society do when outside forces use CIA style tactics to stir up trouble like by backing $$$Trotskyists$$$ to create sectarianism?

I'd consider the Taliban resistance pretty successful, the USA didn't really accomplish much and it cost them an absolute fortune to fight them. iirc they spent a million for every dollar the Taliban did.

What about a country with a taliban tier ML militia?

The Taliban lead then on a wild goose chase through South Asia and The Middle East. They couldn't and didn't even bother making sure the overall population lead lives free from American imperialist influence.

In a socialist society this is exactly what you don't want.

Uh fuck I mean every 100 dollars. At least that's how I remembered it, can't find the article now.

Nah, it would be a standing army.

Yeah, your society is going down the shitter the moment US troops are on your soil. Your best bet is immediately switching to guerrilla warfare.

That still don't make for a very peaceful and stable life for the "liberated" proletariat.

Well, it's such a hypothetical it's hard to imagine. If it's a nuclear armed state then they'd probably fire nukes. If it's heavily industrialised with a population on board with the ruling system and a standing army but no nukes, they'll use an army. If it's somewhere with nothing but a load of old DshKs and Hiluxs, then you're best off using guerrilla warfare.

Leftcoms don't seem like they've got this all well thought out. I think we're gonna need a Marxist-Leninist vanguard party to keep everybody safe from the Porkies that dodged the meat hooks after The Day Of The Prole.

I'm not a leftcom, I just felt like the question doesn't really work since there's far too many variables at play by leaving it so open ended.

It'd still be taliban-tier tho

Leftcoms aren't against vanguards.

Yeah, but leftcoms also don't do much to stop imperialist sabotage cuz they're scared of being called tankies.

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