Yet another imperialism and moderation thread

I decided this was deserving of it's own thread, and hopefully this can be productive instead of senseless shitflinging.
Relevant posts in the moderation thread

I realize this is a very contentious issue. I don't want this to be a thread were people abuse the BO or each other. My hope (as naive as it might be) is that the BO and all of us can have sincere discussion on what constitutes imperialism, and the support of it. As it stands we have a rule that is either not clearly defined, or being interpreted in such a way that is arguably not consistent with how it's outlined in the FAQ. I don't see this as desirable for really anyone here.

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I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. That tankies on here aren't larpers? If a tankie supports DFSNS then good, but the pic is making fun of the tankies that slander the DFSNS as imperialist (and arguably the Marxist-Leninists that fight with them). I don't see the picture is "minimizing imperialism" given that context.Why the sage?

You should have kept it in the moderation thread

More people are likely to see it this way then if it was in the moderation thread. I don't see why this shouldn't be discussed more earnestly. Does nobody care anymore? I can't help but find it odd, even hypocritical, that people are so willing to discuss the problems of our society and it's status quo, but so unwilling to engage the problems of this board and it's status quo.

Beat this

Isn't this obnoxious shit what you got banned three times and evaded 6 times

Gaymeraids was literally a reactionary psyop to convince people to hate some nebulous feminist boogeywomyn. Fuck off if you're a socialist and non-feminist.

Yes, posted for proof that mods are not a hivemind and the "tankies" are not our there to get you all

I was never making that assertion famrade.

FUCK you got me

It's not proof it's just annoying that this is the whole of your posting career. It's just this shit.

Wew lads its time for the daily Tankies are idiots thread:

the contradictions of tankies:


This is what being a retarded tankie does to your brain. Read Gilles Dauvé and buy a fucking armchair.

Come on user that's not helpful. Tell me this, how do you think the "imperialism rule" should be implemented?

The second we try and make something ban-worthy other than straight up shitposting we will be opening a huge can of worms. I don't want us to end up an echochamber like Holla Forums. Anti-imperialism is too vague of a subject to ban people on because there are plenty of "anti-imperialists" who are actually quite imperialist they just only hate American imperialism but ironically love Chinese and Russian imperialism. I don't want Holla Forums to become some shit-flinging fest about the national bourgeoise.

I don't want to be banned for not liking Assad or something like that.

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It shouldn't. It's too vague and lets retarded bans like op happen. It would be like a rule forbidding support of social democracy was made and everyone but communization leftcoms and some ancoms were banned because wage labor still exists in the "transitional state".

I second this post, if we allow for arbitrary bans based on ideology we will screw ourselves, I REALLY don't want this place to become the debate equivalent of Holla Forums for the left. I think Holla Forums is unique in that we have a much better climate and a greater diversity of debates and views.

We've already done that with asserism, nazbol and nazis.

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People have stop caring because they realize there's literally nothing they can do. The BO doesn't give a fuck about what we think or what he's doing to this board. You're hoping in vain for him to actually discuss this, since he's not only a tyrant but also a coward and refuses to explain himself to the board.

And with OP's ban, now it looks like Rojava supporters will soon be targeted also. If tankie lies constitute evidence of imperialism and denying them is "minimizing imperialism" then it's only one small step to banning the supporters of the target of the lies.

Still amazes me the Rojava general was de-cycled because of fake news about a 10 year military base.

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But "pro-imperialism" is much more vague than "no white nationalism". Look at OP's post, he made fun of twitter tankies for supporting a liberal who was cooperating with the CIA a little more than a decade ago, he did not say that imperialism is good or burgerland dindu nuffin.

Well if the BO is just going to force some stupid tankie agenda then I guess its over for us. Thanks for being the grave-diggers of the board you Assad-shilling retards.

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So just like the Kurds?

I don't like the Kurds either.

I am the OP. I'm completely aware that the rule is being implemented very poorly at the moment, but this does not mean it has to be repealed completely. I believe that there is room for compromise here, and an interpretation of the rule that would suit leftists on here


Please keep the shitflinging to a minimum.

You only like the sight of your own posts, leftcom

my concern is that this might be detracting effort from banning actual Holla Forumsyps with zero tolerance

I'm only here to shit on tankies and any form of left-unity involving them.

Define tankie

Actually if you ask me I don't think we should ban anyone, if you think about it banning people upholds the ideology behind private property

I don't see it as an either or situation

I would appreciate it if you didn't. We're all stuck with each other on here

Anybody who shills the dead corpses of states which never abolished the value form.

Holla Forums is built upon the concept of private property, which is why ownership is prone to massive fuckups. BO could go full retard at any time and there is nothing we could do to stop it.

You might be trolling but you're actually right. The BO is effectively the proprietor of the board and the mods his agents.

So you think every Leninist is a tankie?

Maybe would should ask Jim Profit for help

Lmao, shame for bumbing this shit comrades

Also check these

Jim Profit was woke as fuark

And only person banned by moot

MODERATORS ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS

What do you mean you don't like the Khmer Rouge?

Unrelated, but I find it funny how similar French crypto-fascists and American tankies can be.
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I can't understand anything they're saying fam

Welp, looks like one of the mods or the BO unbanned me! It's unfortunate that we still can't more clearly define the rule though

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I've been banned once for "imperialism" (really just a dumb shitpost) and got almost immediately unbanned. I guess some of the mods are more trigger happy than others.

hi /r/socialism this is a brocialist board

So far as I've seen it's only the BO that does it, but I haven't looked since the new batch of mods came in. So far as I know, there haven't been any imperatives to myself or the other mods to define or enforce this rule, either. If I get an appeal and it's at least somewhat polite then I'll give the post another look-over. If I think it could conceivably have been a joke gone wrong or something like that then I'll let em off the hook. I can't really speak for the other mods, though.

God, stop crying. Mods are narcissistic faggots everywhere against anybody, but only you weird anti-anti-imperialists cry about after releasing brain farts like unironically supporting US intervention out of sheer contrarianism. Tankies, MLs, etc. get banned here all the time, I personally got banned three times already for so much as posting a picture with a DPRK flag. Stop buying into this paranoid tankie conspiracy theory, nobody subverts the mods, mods are just assholes. You guys have a persecution complex because of Konstadt or whatever, MLs have it harder than you, at least you can talk to liberals without being yelled at while everybody thinks we are scum due to half a century of anti-communist propaganda.

Didn't BO literally defend DPRK against the Western imperialism

I didn't say anything about tankie mods. Did you even bother to read the OP? The issue is the interpretation of the imperialist ban by the BO. Nothing about my post was suggesting support of imperialism. Asking for clarification of the rules and how I violated them has nothing to do with any kind of conspiracy or persecution complex. I think you're projecting your own persecution complex in this case

Don't you? What's so fucking wrong with not wanting the USA invade independent countries and not wanting the capitalist world to try to starve out a small country with almost no fertile soil? What's so wrong to not dislike a country that genuinely still tries to build socialism and participates in the IMCWP?

This is what tankies actually believe

This is completely delusional. That doesn't mean anyone should support it's invasion, but to sincerely believe that the DPRK is socialist is the height of revisionism.

You should know by the flag the answer is no.

There are heated debates what constitutes as imperialism, as long as mod team is composed out of different tendencies, you won't get a clear set of rules. What did you get banned for? Remember unironic NazBols and Asserists get banned, I don't think it's far fetched to assume that unironic shilling for imperialism would as well. This isn't Holla Forums.
BO is whacky but shows up like one time in a week, he doesn't do most of the banning.

I made it a point to not have this thread devolve into shitflining. There's plenty of other threads for that. Tankie poster, surely you can see that me making fun of tankies for accusing the DFSNS of being imperialist is not the same thing as supporting imperialism?

Read the OP and the thread. I'm not talking about the modding team, they don't even enforce the rule. I don't mind the rule in itself, my issue is with how BO has so far been applying it.

Building a strawman is pretty low even for tankies

Mod-chan, why doesn't the BO elaborate on these bans? Why can't he explain his reasoning for why this constitutes "minimizing imperialism"

Why is this so controversial? You don't have to LIKE the DPRK, fine, but just because you don't like the flavor of it doesn't mean it's not socialist. You know that the DPRK has mostly production for use, a workplace democracy and 5 year plans? Do you think that this is all a ruse to trick people into believing that they want to build socialism?


So are you trying to say you were banned for making fun of tankies? That's retarded and I sure as hell wouldn't ban it, but I got banned for the similar shit which just proves my point that mods are simply faggots that have no rules. Where we disagree is on the fact that this is a one-sided issue, you could have easily made a thread without dressing it up as a massive bait which just causes infighting, faction-building and division.

My series suggestion is that BO uses Holla Forums to let steam off, as he could very well be drunk everytime he comes here, judging by his/her behavior.

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I'm not sure how I did any of those things user. Again, reading the thread will show you the opposite. The OP post wasn't complaining about tankies, the picture is relevant because that's what I was banned for posting. Please do not be so needlessly defensive.

I can confirm aswell that it's mostly BO who bans people for "imperialism".

I agree that posters of certain leanings shouldn't be blamed for what moderators do, however I do welcome anti moderator sentiment. The thing is a lot of anti tankies and anti anti imperialists have expressed the desire to ban tankies/anti imperialists so not all of those types are fully woke on the moderator question unfortunately. Really moderator bullshit fucks over posters regardless of ideology or lack their of.