The old bait and switch

Why is it whenever someone tries to give us "TRUE" Socialism it always delivers the false socialism system that the USSR was under. First it was Russia, then China, after that Cuba, and now Venezuela. So my question is this, why should I trust any of you guys to give me "TRUE" socialism? Also why hasn't any other person who promised to delivered "TRUE" socialism yet, done so?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Venezuela didn't do what the user did. Even Denmark has a bigger public sector an beter welfare, and that's all Venezuela did.

Venezuela is social-democratic my dude. Like you know, Scandinavia.

Venezuela is not socialist, because if it was then scandinavia would be socialist. The rest you mentioned is pretty socialist even if retarded sometimes (china). Liberals than say not socialist are not socialist, leftcoms are idiots and anarkiddies sometimes are idiots

How will I ever recover?

Is no one gonna answer my questions?

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The party that won the vote were calling them selves socialists to get the peoples support. The question of this post has nothing to do with wether Venezuela is or isn't socialist.
My question is, why hasn't any other person who promised to delivered "TRUE" socialism yet, done so?

But every country you listed basically has or was really near, problem is that they didn't evolve enough mostly because or revisionists and western powers try to shut them down. Also the nazi called them self Not Socialists, are they socialist? The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic?

Because establishing socialism is not trivial especially when you have to deal with you local burgeoise your already fucked up economy and the rest of the world especially the US fucking you over for even trying to be socialist.
Only a braindead faggot thinks any revolutionary will say "vote for me and tomorrow we have TRUE SOCIALISM" no one did this. In your particular case chavez was really moderate when promoting socialism maduro even less so. Changes in mode of production take time and revolutions can fail capitalism took around 400 years to fully establish itself.
Even if there was a revolution tomorrow you would probably die of old age before seeing socialism in it's full glory.
If you belive any major changes in society will come without years of adaptation and quite some bloodshed you are delusional.

Just because somebody calls themselves socialist doesn't mean they actually are socialist in practice, you brainlet


Something doesn't magically become socialist economic policy just because the people doing it label themselves as such, by that standard you'd be able to call North Korea a "democratic republic"

Russia never really had a problem with the environment after the war. And the Nazis were socialist the same China is.

this question is more loaded than your father's tasty ass op

Who actually said this? Please enlighten us.

At first I thought this was b8 but considering neither are socialist yeah, you're right.

Because the CIA, American military, American backed guerillas, dictators, and corporations keep fucking murdering them.

The thing is, everybody in the world but ancoms agree that Venezuela is socialist. Words mean what the user means, and most everybody believes an overarching government that doesn't respect property rights is socialist.

When will this meme ever end?
Is a mixed economy, ergo not socialism

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you mean your braindead amerilard liberals? There are people in the world that actually read books, you know.

MODS close this thread this level of illiteracy and brain damage should not be allowed.

Nobody actually said this word for word, but each group I mentioned that had the same message.

My mistake see instead

Do you know what the word "imperialism" means?

I mean everybody but you guys. You're a dumbass.

If you want to keep posting you need to stop being such a faggot.

What is libertarian socialism?

I thought you guys weren't homophobic.

"Socialism" has so many different definitions that it's impossible to have this conversation. There are a few basic tendencies that matter.

Centralization makes internal corruption and oppression easier.

Decentralization makes external corruption and oppression easier.

Taking power away from the workers takes power away from the workers (whodathunkit)

No, you're a retard who bother to google some basic definitions. Why don't you read a fucking book you illiterate loser?

Asking this question proves you're retarded. Not just because you don't know know what it is, but also you can't even use google.

We're not, using faggot as an insult is imageboard culture. If you're so new you don't even know this, I think you should go back to reddit and stay there, they're more of your type.

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No OP, it is you who should define socialism is, and provide evidence that Venezuela is socialist and that the Soviet Union wasn't socialist. I can guarantee you won't because people who engage in such basic shitty criticism don't know what they're talking about and thus can't really explain why.

OP didn't deserve a ban. His sentiment is shared by the majority of people and i stead of smugly telling them they're ignorant, it's our job politely and accurately explain why their position is a misconception.

Yeah, he was totally interested in learning and having an honest conversation. There was no b8ing occurring. Holla Forums are the ones at fault.

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basically another word for anarchism