Is He Right?

like all the time

for example the reagan "communists are those who have read marx and lenin and capitalists are those who understand marx and lenin" quote, the implication is basically the same

There's absolutely not a poverty problem in America, people just need to pick up dem bootstraps

I can't even picture a statement that nuanced coming out of Trump's mouth.

true story

Tankies absolutely BTFO.

Unfortunately, the immense power of the propaganda machine of the ruling class means people will actually think this is a real description of history.

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And more caloric intakes/citizen

Lets try capitalism!

//sarcasm

He mistakenly believed that petroleum prices would stay high a lot longer than they did, and instead of making necessary structural changes to Venezuelan society, he spent large amounts of the profits from their oil on poverty amelioration programs for the poor.

This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, because it significantly improved conditions for the poorest Venezuelans. However, in part because the government was made up of pink bourgeois, nothing was done to really start transitioning to socialism until Chavez died and Maduro took over, and by then it was too little, too late.

And unfortunately now Maduro made the same mistake that Allende did and that Castro warned him about, and has started selling petroleum in denominations other than American dollars, which triggers the US something fierce for too many reasons to count. I would think he's guessing that the US is too busy with NK to bother with him atm, that Russia and/or China will intervene on his behalf, or that the potential outside threat will rally support around him like the attempted coup did for Erdogan.

In any event, things in Venezuela must be pretty bad (I would think) for him to make such a risky, provocative gamble.

Is this the biggest right-wing strawman of all time?

Nope. They came close though.
google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwihsaGxm7LWAhUkqlQKHeqIAd0QFggoMAA&url=https://nintil.com/2016/05/11/the-soviet-union-food/&usg=AFQjCNH2eFBgzYv3_R3DpWijO0VkC3E9ng

Can you even call Somalia capitalist? There's no large scale indusrty. The economy is mostly grey market barter.

Si amigo

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solid post. would like sources on these figures so i can pwn my right wing family when i see them too

everyone is like "uhh.. but that's not socialism… but i guess i see what he really means so i'll clap anyways haha"

I've always kind of wondered this too…. people love calling other tinpot shit holes distinctly capitalist… when tbh, i would just consider them little western colonies or something, just for the simple fact that their own sovereignty is rarely if ever respected.

sure, they might be independent nations, but the amount of times those countries have been fucked with imho doesn't even warrant them having their own distinct economy. but i guess stuff like private property, wages, and other such things… if they exist, then yeah, it is fucking capitalist

Fuck off back to Holla Forums retard

That's what idiots consider pure capitalism as there's basically no govt to speak of.

I think it was Fox News that said Venezuela is 70% private sector. Just google that phrase.

foxnews.com/world/2010/07/18/socialism-private-sector-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade.html
Different user but I found it for ya'll

holy shit fox… of all the sources lmao this is gold

"Now watch as I sign a bill that takes away 30 million of my fellow citizen's health care, MAGA!"

hmmm i guess it isnt REAL socialism right sweetie? :)

Shit's older than Holla Forums and the Nintendo 3DS, man.

Any news article about Venezuela that is over 3 years old is completely useless.

Venezuela is now part of the infamous "axis of evil". USA supported counter revolution soon.

I thought confiscating private property and sending entrepreneurs to gulags like Stalin """allegedly""" did was real communism. Remember the 100 gorillion, commie!

Man, I fucking hate Americans.

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Gotta love the communism vs democracy false dichotomy the USA uses to instill newspeak among the masses

"SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU IMPLIMENT FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM"

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hmm

Holla Forums is always saying "that wasn't real socialism" but can I get just one example of socialism? Is there "real socialism" around today?

bourgeoisie weren't have none of that.

No it isn't. Only leftcoms actually say that

Catalonia 1936-1939 And hopefully if the referendum succeeds and the CUP gains power then maybe again.

WTF I'm a Holla Forumsyp now

Thanks!

Socialism involves socialized labor relations. It is the social organization of labor and industry. This idea is not unique to modern political socialist thought, and in fact it has existed and been practiced in various forms and to various lengths throughout history.

Most hunter-gatherer human social organizations (tribes) were what Engels referred to as *Urkommunismus*, a primordial communism where labor was divided based mostly on consensus and without any significant form of profit for any individual (or at all, this period is characterized by a lack of capital accumulation). That comprises the vast majority of human history, and civilization emerged hand-in-hand with slavery and eventually other forms of labor hierarchy.

Beyond that period, our examples of socialism exist in isolation, within a larger non-socialist superstructure, or in the modern period when capital accumulation and consciousness among the working class becomes more prevalent.

In the first case you have premarxist "utopian" communes and cooperative projects such as those that existed in Europe in the 19th century and were (and to some extent still are) prevalent in the United States, often as religious experiments. In the second you have the village commune, characteristic of feudalism: this was particularly the case in England, where with the transition during the Industrial Revolution, all of the peasant communally owned land and means of production was expropriated by the aristocracy, forcing many into poverty and death in cities. In the third, you have the many projects of the 20th century to create large-scale socialist revolutions: starting with the Paris Commune, then the Soviet Union, then China, and so on. Some of these were notable for their more libertarian aspect in contrast to Marxist and Leninist concepts of a more centralized state socialism: the Free Territory of Ukraine, Shinmin province in Korea, Revolutionary Catalonia, etc.

there is a delay in translation you sensationalists

Not true, Venezuela isn't socialist because if it was then scandinavia would be too. It's a Nanny state with some Keynesian economics in it. Also fun fact is that venezuela is even less nationalized than scandianavia, so it makes venezuela even less "socialist". But socialism is not when the state does stuff and you don't pay for school, so neither scandinavia neither venezuela are

jfc christ like lol xD fucking commies

it's BASIC EGGONOMICS commsocialism is when things are bad and everyone is starving and stuff, true freemarket capitalism is when good things happen

nazis=socialism
letting women vote=capitalism
genocide=socialism
civil rights=capitalism
soviet union when it does gulag=socialism
soviet union when it wins WW2=capitalism
hurricanes=socialism
medicaid=capitalism

fuckin brainless cuck read trump

There exists no greater threat to world stability than America.

Clap was still weak

This is what Chavistas actually believe.

Thanks.

In the 2008 housing bubble. Capitalism was poorly implemented or unfaithfully implemented?

Yeah