Badmouse growing out of anarchism

over 100 years later, and people still take those clowns seriously.

General LibSoc

Some idpol shit seeing as he shitted on the Based Unruhe

Aren't we all?

Also one of those arrows in the anti-fascist circle stands out against communism, just a daily reminder

Another anarchist finally comes out of the closet and admits the revolution needs non-libertarian methods towards people who do not like the fact of revolution happening.

While I don't disagree with the very serious and pragmatic things he brings up, I still once again feel that it's worth pointing out that nothing about anarchism is inherently anti-authoritarian. Claiming that anarchism is inherently libertarian and against authority is much like saying that a person cannot impose a set of ethical and disciplinary standards upon themselves because there's nobody else forcing them to do so. There's a grain of truth in the idea that someone else holding you to this could give extra imposition and leverage you into doing it more regularly, but denying the opposite as a possibility is hogwash.

No specific action taken by a State, that is, a power that asserts itself through self-justifying violence as being above the ruled populace in a hierarchy of social power, is strictly beyond that of what is possible in anarchist politics done participatorially and democratically, save that of picking up the role of the State itself. It's not beyond comprehension to develop and participate in institutions that allow for otherwise involuntary and violence-enforced actions, such as conscription or the mass movement of supplies, given the proper circumstances. Being in a state of war is an easily justified reason to do such a thing and to even participate in it, considering that the alternative is destruction through inaction.

I should really drop the ancom flag and pick up anarcho-authoritarian at this rate.

Read state and revolution. Bueracracy is abolished in the workers state. Instead we have recallable workers who cordinate not control society.

he litterally can't read.

I agree, Marxists must realize non-statist revolution is possible, like in kekalonia where CNT was settting up non-statist and libertarian labour camps.

I'm really excited to see what ideology Xexizy is going to pretend to advocate for next week though

He's going trough the typical red liberal phase, he just has to avoid getting btfo by a tankie and not become a lib again like muke

huh?

Stalin fucked up the USSR (Lenin too) but it wasn't supposed to have bureaucrats, too bad the bolsheviks sucked at actually doing things

Fuck forgot to t ake off flag

Were the symptoms of his infantile disorder cured yet?

i.e. anarchists when it comes to ML

Anyone of you know what happened to this Garrett guy? His twitter and his youtube are gone.

...

Thank god, anarchopac is bad enough but an illiterate former ancap was even worse. I hope he goes something retarded like maoist.

Badmouse is going to get into Lenin and become a Trotskyist. Calling it now.

an inconvenient truth

I think its not true but In my heart I know it is.

Anarchopac is actually well read, unlike BadMouse.

Shit, that's actually quite possible

Most of us are either going liberal or hedonistic nihilist as despair creeps in with the realization communism will not come in our lifetimes. I'm gonna pick the latter.

I'm aware, he is a faggot tranny though.

One could mistake him for Muke.

If he does become a Trot.
I will put $100 down on him becoming a neo-con a few years after.

Usually, selling out and becoming a liberal requires there be something to sell out too.

I don't know about you guys, but there's no cozy suburbanite corporate jobs waiting for me until I'm seduced by it's siren's song. I've got nothing but shitty, low-income prole jobs lined up for me and I don't see that changing anytime in the near future.

If anything, the economy is going to crash again and my job prospects are going to get even worse.

haha jesus christ

at least pretend like you're interested ala muke

I'll take the bet.

He has Dyslexia. He is worse than muke because he literally can't read. At least muke can read the basics.

Excuse you, muke has managed to read one book and two pamphlets in two years.

I guess fam, I've got an opportunity to shit out a short film and if that does ok could probably get the funds for a feature film. But I'll probably continue on with manual labor.

anyone?

Then muke is worse because he refuses to read. They are both trash and should not be making videos about things they do not understand.

Since I don't think we'll recreate Stalin vs Trotsky conflict, the ascension of Stalinism as a dominant ideology and a post-war boom that appears to defy the logic that capitalism was near-to-collapse, I don't think you'll find another Trot exodus into conservatism.

Muke can read the basics. He needs to read more but he seems at least like he is trying.

He can but he doesn't. That's the problem. Badmouse it's understandable at least, but in any case both need to get off youtube with ill-informed videos.

…so the 'lets just not call it a state' meme is more or less correct as long as you control for 'participation' and 'democracy', whatever they mean?

Muke is getting better tho. He has read the basic economic texts and Anti-Dühring. I'm hoping he will read capital next.

State syndicalism is bureaucratic as fuck, why did they Kaiserreich devs pick it as the new prime left wing ideology

>one book and two pamphlets in two years.
Why do people that aren't well read, aren't exceptionally smart or even charismatic feel like they should be the ones to educate the world on this thing that they're far from experts on?

State Syndicalism is based and is the only left wing ideology I would consider myself an active supporter of.

Give me reasons why i should support a trade union congress

The problem isn't really that he doesn't read, it's that he don't read and still feel the need to write shit like OP.

Watch this boi become a sorelian fascist once he finds out about mussolini reading syndicalists.

Because "syndicalism" is a pretty politically uncharged word. In fact, I found that most of the supposedly "syndicalist" nations operated essentially on a more democratic-in-practice version of soviet communism, but with the Supreme Soviet being some labor union.

Maybe I can get him to at least watch the law of value video series.

Syndicalists that think that they're better than a vanguard party need a kick in the balls. the Soviets (councils) were pretty democratic during the Stalin years anyway

He said he prefers Maduro over the opposition in that tumblr post, so I wouldn't bet on that.

Any other options that historically attracted more than 10 people?

Oh shit you're right, syndicalism was pretty popular in France back then wasn't it.
Still they could have just went with Autonomists/Council Commies

The "don't call it a state" meme is born out of blurring the concept of the "state" to mean "any group that is has authority to coerce people into action". If you do that, then fucking anything could be defined as a state.

Pray tell, what do you think a "stateless" communist society would look like? Would there just be no regulation whatsoever on actions, that nobody would ever have the authority to enact policies and actions that went against someone else? If so, then "communist society" is flat out bunk.

This is the part where red liberals go back to liberalism cause they couldn't even read Engels

Not only there
Autonomism wasn't a thing back then, as for the other option why not include the italian leftcoms while we're at it? That way we could have left communist Axis

Yeah, but their influence was somewhat limited at the national level, with the nomenklatura being the ones actually running the show.

So the "synidalists" in Kaiserreich basically depict soviet communism as it would be if the Supreme Soviet was actually the highest political body instead of the politburo of the CPSU.

What are the principles of state syndicalism, you are getting my attention

wat

who the fuck knows
we'll see when we get there

Best thing about Kaiserreich USSR is Bukharin as the leader and Stalin as a minister in Georgia

Do you have any concept on what a state is? Do you recognize any difference imposing strict discipline on yourself because you want to achieve some goal and someone else imposing strict discipline on you, without your consent, and then beating you when you tell them you don't want it?

You really can't tell the difference between those two things?

Read Engels retard

Question 16: How do you think the transition from the present situation to community of Property is to be effected?

Answer: The first, fundamental condition for the introduction of community of property is the political liberation of the proletariat through a democratic constitution.

Question 17: What will be your first measure once you have established democracy?

Answer: Guaranteeing the subsistence of the proletariat.

Question 18: How will you do this?

Answer. I. By limiting private property in such a way that it gradually prepares the way for its transformation into social property, e. g., by progressive taxation, limitation of the right of inheritance in favour of the state, etc., etc.

II. By employing workers in national workshops and factories and on national estates.

III. By educating all children at the expense of the state.

Question 19: How will you arrange this kind of education during the period of transition?

Answer: All children will be educated in state establishments from the time when they can do without the first maternal care.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/06/09.htm
There you go fag. I responded to your worthless meme response.

sorry

His progress is the equivalent of a guy who upped his squat ten pounds, and it took him two years to pull that off. He shouldn't be making videos for a subject he is a novice in, and the same applies to Badmouse.

Unwarranted sense of self-importance.

As I see it, should Marx's ideal of stateless 'higher state of communism' ever be realised, the border between 'state' and 'personal' compulsion would have to converge. But trying to unlock the fundamentals of a communist utopian society from the present is akin to a monastic scholar dreaming up capitalist managerialism.
The point of my original post was to seek clarification/further explication of the post it was a reply to - not to open a whole can of upsetti.

When will you faggots ever learn that opinionstubers are false idols?

Wow, that's actually a very good text for non-socialists.

I'm naturally attracted to attention-whoring retards, sorry.

He haven't literally only read this, he just haven't read a lot.

I too am sorry that you're a retard.

>>>/trash/

no, fuck u

:^)

lmfao half of those aren't even primary sources. I think I read more books than him in a month.

Beside the three Žižek books they all are.

thats more than a good 70% of everyone here.

I did the same thing, if you can't defend yourself you don't deserve to exist politically.

That was probably a bit overboard of me. I'm just getting very tired of anarcho-liberals and people basing everything off them.

Wasn't Bukharinism close to Titoism?

I heard Bukharin did had a legit chance of becoming Stalin's successor, unlike Trotsky

all i have is capital 1. state and rev, and the state of the working class in england

Because they're the ones who go out and do it. They're not stopping you from doing it too.

How every single ancom is born.

He was murderedby Stalin.

all Stalin did was take advantage of a system Lenin established. make no mistake, the USSR was 100% Lenin's fault.

See? I told you lot anarchism's just a phase people go through. You know, like goth and lesbianism.

Im a goth marxist leninist

He wanted more NEP

...

This applies to anyone not teaching in a university.

Fetishism of death and depression is bourgeois revisionism.

It's re-education for you, comrade!

...

i just like dark stuff, i dont want to die and i dont care if im happy or sad

???

He's an edgelord, ignore him

I hope

It means he's an idiot who hasn't read a book about his previously claimed ideology. is right, and that BM uses tumblr is just proof of how shit he is.

So you're an anti-socialist corporatist? Huge surprise.

He hadn't updated in a while. his last video, a few weeks ago I think, said that he didn't like feeling that he always had to make political videos, but he felt it would be weird to start releasing videos on his passion, film and film theory, on an anarcho-feminist/queer-anarchism channel. So he said that he would keep his main channel for political stuff, but that he was making a new channel for film stuff. At least that's what I think he said. I'm surprised the channel is gone though. I wonder what's up.

He needs to read Kropotkin. The Prince was addressing the practicality argument back in the 19th century. Its sad though that some Ancoms seem to want to seek refuge in authoritarian Socialist movements just because it seems more efficient in the short run for combating reactionaries or opportunists.

...

If badmouse doesn't read and jump all over the political spectrums then he may as well be a Nazbol.

Are there no audiobooks of anarchist theory? Even youtube has some.

youtube.com/watch?v=Wr7XAXtVjkw

Why do leftists always change their political philosophies like they're fucking fashion trends. This board is the same. Filled with Stirntards yesterday, filled with tankies today.

Because "anarcho" syndicalism as a phrase didn't really exist until after the 1917 revolution. Wherein it was used by the centrist bolsheviks as a pejorative against left coms and councilists and state syndicalists, comparing them to the anarchist movement. (Anarchism was widely considered worse than even communism back then, they had a mostly undeserved reputation as bomb throwers due to propaganda of the deed)

Originally, Syndicalist typically referred to guys like Deleon or Oconnolly. State socialists that believed trade unions we're the most practical way of organizing socialists. That's literally it, try hards like Howard only like it because of Kaisereich being their preferred autism simulator.

Anarchists later on adopted the word, essentially memeing a bolshevik smear word into existence. The Spanish civil war cemented this moniker through the alliance of Syndicalists (CNT) and Anarchists (FAI) what most anarkiddies ignore is the fact that these two groups often came to blows even during the war. Many Syndicalists weren't anarchists, some of them were essentially socdem reformists forced into a revolution. This caused conflict that helped speed the inevitable Republican defeat.

But thanks to that war anarcho syndicalism has become the dominant way to describe that ideology. It's a shame, since the CNT-FAI constructed a state, that they didn't call a state.

This is all irrelevent as trade unions are only weakening in power as time goes on. And thus Syndicalism is proving to be less effective as a praxis. Ansyns are in essence no different than the reformists of the second international. Just look at the modern IWW to see how far they have decayed into idpol and reformism. They might as well be selling merch for all the good paying dues would due.

Nowadays most people who would have been Syndicalist prior to WW1 are some form of councilist or other libmarxist.

The word essentially lossed it's orginal meaning and praxis as the world evolved.

I fucking hate that some guy who puts half-assed vids on YT can represent a whole ideology in this day and age. "You want to know about anarchism/communism/dolphinism/whatever ideology, check this video on a for profit video site!". Jesus fucking christ. READ A BOOK.

I love that pic. I've got it saved.

No? Anarchists played a pretty big role in the revolution, they where even praising Tolstoy, they made a monument in Bakunin's honor, and they even proposed Kropotkin to become a minister.

...

No.

...

Doesn't really help if they can't articulate their own beliefs does it?

I don't watch his videos outside of like 2-3, but isn't he specifically intended to be entry-level rather than dropping theory? I don't really think anyone considers this guy as the intellectual powerhouse of leftist thought.

i do agree with badmouse a little but with him saying that anarchism has been a historical failure is untrue in my opinion. it only died because the tankies fucked them over, not the system crapping out. but overall he makes good points.

So basically this.

Very funny picture but it doesn't work with the anarchists, we would be killed or at least jailed in every system in the red square.

That's rather unfair to him, considering he had to make it up on the fly whilst shit was constantly about to collapse, and then the moment the situation stabilized he had a stroke and spend his days paralyzed and isolated from the political process, only to die shortly after. He spent his dying days writing criticism of the system that had come into being, and calling for worker's involvement in the government, stating that the bureaucracy was out of control and a relic of the bourgeois state, and advocating for the reorganization of all workplaces into cooperatives so the workers would have agency. The system the USSR ended up with was not what Lenin envisioned, just what grew out of the needs of the moment and which he had no time to adjust.

I agree that the anarchist movement has been an historical failure, but I disagree with his reasons and I extend it to the communist movement and the left as a whole.
We really need to study that history, but we should only do it from a critical lens.

By moving up to that quadrant you'd cease to be an anarchist, which is the whole point of the picture.

No once I'm no longer a miserable fuck i will turn conservative to preserve my own """success"""

I fear I'll become a basic bitch conservative

begome syndigalisd boy

Reactionaryism with red aesthetics.

This is TRUE synd:
deleonism.org/industrial-government.htm

He makes a lot of claims about anarchist history but then gets schooled by AnPac on twitter about the Spanish Civil War. I honestly don't mind people being critical and distancing themselves from anarchism but BadMouse is doing it for the wrong reasons.

source

I don't get it, if YouTube is as important as people claim and these people actually want anarchism to spread, why don't they collaborate instead of attacking each other?

anarcholiberals are dipshits.

What the user said is exaggerating, but Lelnin wrote positively on the topic of co-ops and said they should be encouraged in some of his critiques of the 20s. Go to marxists.org and ctrl+f for cooperatives in his post 20s writings, because I can't remember which one it specifically is.

The rest of what he says is solid. Lenin wanted purges (not shooty shooty purges but rather writey writey puges) of a lot of the party in order to make way for ideologically educated workers to take the reins.

Because unlike some, they actually read and develop their ideas and praxis accordingly.
You see it magnified through social media, really. The most profane changes happen in solitude. Just because the current dominant culture and its supporting "socialized" media apparatuses feed on and encourage this "coming out" and "declarations" trend it doesn't mean that it's all that we do all the time.

pic related

What's an anarcho-liberal?

Because dialectics.

lmao

Well, well, well…anarkiddie finally woke the fuck up. Hurrah for Marxism, the only truly scientific socialism.

Nah

See pic related.

But all the texts are free on Anarchist Library, quite a few on Libcom, and even Marxists.org has a few. Why are twitter tankies such retards?

...

Never again.

Only bourgeois can read.

What else is new?

I fucking hate Philistines

twitter.com/anarchopac/status/909842219301064704
twitter.com/anarchopac/status/910050328518807552

That would explain the twitter and reddit tankie aversion to reading.

Good

Reading is for bourgies. Why aren't you doing manual labor as a true proletarian?

I dunno if that's fair. Some tankies read, some tankies don't, some smashies read, some smashies don't.

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1923/jan/06.htm
Basically, Lenin went full two-stages theory and concluded that communism in Russia alone was impossible and that they should instead aim to advance towards cooperative capitalism first so as to instill the collectivist ethics and cultural and economic advancements necessary to achieve communism at a later date.

Kill urself, petite-bourgeois trash. Do you think most proles want to read?

I do both, unfortunatly I don't read as much as I'd like because muh job takes up a lot of time.

I specified reddit and twitter for a reason fam.

I don't think every prole has to read, but if you're going make videos at least understand what you're talking about.

I love how Badmouse turned out to actually be a decent human being, even saying the Kulaks deserved, he also knows not to backstab comrades during a debate.

Meanwhile Muke is about to become a liberal. The predictions were wrong. I'm just waiting for the video where he says "well, communism is unattainable at this point, we should push for reforms".

How is Muke about to become a liberal, my tank friend? Right now it seems more likely that he will become the worst kind of smug leftcom.

Surely it must be depressing as fuck being a leftcom and knowing you're going to spend the rest of your life forever on the losing side with nothing to support?

He already got into IdPol by Mexie. He seems to love to talk about Antifa a lot. He said that defending Stalin ruins the left because of muh liberal overton window. Muke in general comes over as somebody who got into communism because of the peer group it comes with it. He will become a pro-EU liberal SocDem once he is done with college.

I think Badmouse is more honest in his search for ideological beliefs than Muke. Badmouse is somebody I would want to have a beer with, despite us disagreeing on things. It's pretty fucking telling that I, as a ML, would prefer hanging out with a libertarian socialist than with an actual Marxist such as Muke. Really, his video about the USSR not being socialist was so simplistic and dishonest that I think the guy just has a hate boner for tankies instead of being interested in a general analysis.

...

Twitter was a mistake.

E-celebs should be shot.

...

A failure to defend yourself from Marxists is a failure to defend yourself none the less.

You get all your satisfaction from being holier-than-thou towards other leftists and criticizing everything they say and do.

If anyother leftist had proclaimed to of moved over to another tendency then this would be simply described as "changing ones ideology" but in this case where anarchism is involved they must be growing out of it. Rather tired of this nonsence.

It comes with a peer group?

That's because anarchist lit is barely read by self-described anarchists, let alone by the theory wizards who just read State and Revolution. If you haven't bothered with at least 5 from pic related, don't make videos on anarchism or post with any black.

Don't post that, /anarcho/ is ancap territory now.

I haven't been there since it died, but it's a good list nonetheless.

Really gonna need to branch out a little bit

BRANCH OUT

Malatesta is fucking great. Debt is more pop-left but still bretty gud. Personally I've been enjoying the insurrection works. Unfortunatly I haven't touched any green yet, where would be good to start there.

No Berckman? That's weird. Also, it would be good to add anthropologist books.

It's literally the second book on the list

It's the second book on the list m8, also you should post your criticism at 0ch.org/0040/res/2283.html and not here.

Yes it's a bit of a generic read but this is a fairly short read and I might be worth a quick look first
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-what-is-green-anarchy
But that really depends on if you want to go as far out as John Zerans wacky primitivism or the more well know works by Bookchin and so on it's pretty suprising how much has been written on what would be expected to be a fairly narrow topic.

Gee almost like reality got in the way and state communism only works on paper.

I'll check that out when I get home, thanks user.

...

oh please, there are a million more larpers/sjws on the anarchist side than the tankie sides
>inb4 trap maoists

Are you implying Bat'ko is still a child?

He does call himself a "manarchist" that is kind of childish.