Name one (1) time Marxist-Leninists were wrong about foreign policy

The (frankly bizarre) approach by the Communist Party in France to the Algerian War.

Literally every position they've held since 1928 has been bad, and even before then their foreign policy wasn't exactly unimpeachable.

Spain. 1936-39.

The CPC backing UNITA in Angola.

Nope, they were CIA-backed fascists bent on destroying the USSR. Try again.

elaborate

Even if you believe that the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was just necessary realpolitik to stop Imperialists from invading the Soviet Union in 1939 (I don't), the approach utterly decimated the PCF, CPGB and CPUSA's credibility amongst the masses.

The Comintern's position went from principled anti-fascism to apathy within the space of a few weeks.

Yet more proof that MLs are literally in capable of understanding mass movements. In their world, everything is a war between different groups of bureaucrats.

So you're an idealist. The USSR was the last of the major powers to sign a treaty.

IE porky's smear campaigns were effective, meaning that they were doomed to fail in any case.

Not that user, but if not wanting to act uselessly in a way that compromises my principles is idealism then I guess I'm an idealist.

MLs be on some Hillary Clinton type """""pragmatism"""""" shit. It doesn't matter what the effects of their actions are, or what their principles are because of being """"realistic"""" and """"""""historical necessity""""""""""

What does that even mean? It was obvious that a war between the Allies and Germany was imminent, and the Soviet Union was being courted by both sides. The decision to stay out of the war had a sound military basis (what with the state the Red Army was in after 1937), but that doesn't mean they had to co-ordinate with the German Fascists in carving up Eastern Europe, nor did it mean the Soviet Union had to continue to supply Germany with the raw materials it needed to continue to function in the first two years of the war.

Well, opportunistically switching 180 on your previous policies does tend to look bad in the eyes of the working class, yes.

No, it's literal historical fact that the CIA was infiltrating squads of exiled fascist sympathizers back into Hungary. But yeah, I know, Trots get a hardon for every group of CIA-backed fascist mercenaries because they call themselves "democratic." This is pure revisionism.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/dec/23.htm

Hungry's complicated. There were sections of Reformist Communists involved in the uprising, but the Provisional Government also invited the National Bourgeoisie into a coalition to resist the Soviets. This wasn't Titoism, but (at best) Social Democracy.

Afghanistan

Afghanistan was good, actually.

Our goal is communism, period, the end. The comintern was proven right, because the communists eventually got as far as taking over half of Germany. They wouldn't have been able to achieve that if they had jumped the gun on a preemptive invasion.

Nice fascist smears.

Do you want me to upload the PDF of the pact for you?

No, this narrative that the USSR was "co-ordinating" with Nazi Germany, rather than preparing to defend itself, is a fucking smear. Moreover, if Nazi Germany HAD simply waged war against the other imperialist countries and not invaded the USSR, it would have been no different than WWI.

What would you call this then?

"1. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement in the areas belonging to the Baltic States (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), the northern boundary of Lithuania shall represent the boundary of the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. In this connection the interest of Lithuania in the Vilnius area is recognized by each party.

2. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narew, Vistula, and San.

The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.

In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.

3. With regard to Southeastern Europe attention is called by the Soviet side to its interest in Bessarabia. The German side declares its complete political disinterestedness in the areas."

cont.

Here's a Nazi memorandum on trade for good measure.

"The Agreement is based on the correspondence-mentioned in the preamble-between the Reich Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, Molotov, dated September 28, 1939. The Agreement represents the first great step toward the economic program envisaged by both sides and is to be followed by others.

1. The Agreement covers a period of 27 months, i. e., the Soviet deliveries, which are to be made within 18 months, will be compensated by German deliveries in turn within 27 months. The most difficult point of the correspondence of September 28, 1939, namely, that the Soviet raw material deliveries are to be compensated by German industrial deliveries over a longer period, is thereby settled in accordance with our wishes. This was not possible without a hard fight. Only the personal message of the Reich Foreign Minister to Stalin brought the final settlement. The stipulation of 18 and 27 months represents a compromise solution, since at stated intervals-namely, every 6 months-the mutual deliveries of goods must be balanced according to the fixed ratio. If this balance does not exist, i. e., particularly if the German deliveries fall behind the ratio of the Soviet deliveries fixed by the Agreement, the other side is entitled to suspend its deliveries temporarily until the fixed ratio is reestablished. This stipulation is annoying, but could not be eliminated by us, as Stalin himself had adopted it during the final talks.

2. The Soviet deliveries. According to the Agreement, the Soviet Union shall within the first 12 months deliver raw materials in the amount of approximately 500 million Reichsmarks.

In addition, the Soviets will deliver raw materials, contemplated in the Credit Agreement of August 19, 1939, for the same period, in the amount of approximately 100 million Reichsmarks.

The most important raw materials are the following:

1,000,000 tons of grain for cattle, and of legumes, in the amount of 120 million Reichsmarks
900,000 tons of mineral oil in the amount of approximately 115 million Reichsmarks
100,000 tons of cotton in the amount of approximately 90 million Reichsmarks
500,000 tons of phosphates
100,000 tons of chrome ores
500,000 tons of iron ore
300,000 tons of scrap iron and pig iron
2,400 kg. of platinum Manganese ore, metals, lumber, and numerous other raw materials.
To this must also be added the Soviet exports to the Protectorate, which are not included in the Agreement, in the amount of about 50 million Reichsmarks so that the net deliveries of goods from the Soviet Union during the first treaty year amount to a total of 650 million Reichsmarks.
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"In addition, there are other important benefits. On the basis of the correspondence of September 28, 1939, the Soviet Union had granted us the right of transit to and from Rumania, Iran, and Afghanistan and the countries of the Far East, which is particularly important in view of the German soybean purchases from Manchukuo. The freight rates of the Trans-Siberian Railroad were reduced by 50 percent for soybeans. The transit freight charges are to be settled by a clearing system and amount to approximately 100 million Reichsmarks.

Adding certain other items (clearing share in purchase of raw materials by the Soviet Union in third countries), it may be assumed that during the first 12 months Soviet deliveries and services will amount to a total of about 800 million Reichsmarks.

3. Thus far, only part of the Soviet deliveries has been fixed for the second treaty year. During the first 6 months of the second treaty year the Soviet Union will deliver to Germany 230 million Reichsmarks worth of raw materials of the same kind as in the first treaty year. It is contemplated that negotiations will be resumed before the expiration of the first treaty year and the quantities for the exchange of goods for the second treaty year fixed and even increased beyond the volume of the first treaty year.

4. The German deliveries comprise industrial products, industrial processes and installations as well as war materiel. The Soviet deliveries of the first 12 months are to be compensated by us within 15 months. The Soviet deliveries of the first 6 months of the second treaty year (13th to 18th month) are to be compensated by us within 12 months (from the 16th to the 27th month).

5. Among the Soviet deliveries within the first 18 months are 11,000 tons of copper, 3,000 tons of nickel, 950 tons of tin, 500 tons of molybdenum, 500 tons of wolfram, 40 tons of cobalt. These deliveries of metals are intended for the carrying out of the German deliveries to the Soviet Union. Since these metals are not immediately available in Germany and will not be delivered until the treaty is in force, it will be necessary to bridge the initial period by using metals from our own stocks for the German deliveries to the Soviet Union and to replace them from the incoming Soviet metal deliveries. Any different arrangement, such as the advance delivery of metals which we demanded at first, could not be achieved.

Furthermore, the Soviet Union declared her willingness to act as buyer of metals and raw materials in third countries. To what degree this promise can be realized in view of the intensified English counter-measures cannot be judged at the present time. Since Stalin himself has repeatedly promised generous help in this respect it may be expected that the Soviet Union will make every effort.

6. The negotiations were difficult and lengthy. There were material and psychological reasons for this. Undoubtedly, the Soviet Union promised far more deliveries than are defensible from a purely economic point of view, and she must make the deliveries to Germany partly at the expense of her own supply. On the other hand, it is understandable that the Soviet Government is anxious to receive as compensation those things which the Soviet Union lacks. Since the Soviet Union does not import any consumer goods whatsoever, their wishes concerned exclusively manufactured goods and war materiel. Thus, in numerous cases, Soviet bottlenecks coincide with German bottlenecks, such as machine tools for the manufacture of artillery ammunition. It was not easy to find a compromise between the interests of both sides. Psychologically the ever-present distrust of the Russians was of importance as well as the fear of any responsibility. And People's Commissar Mikoyan had to refer numerous questions to Stalin personally, since his authority was not sufficient.

Despite all these difficulties, during the long negotiations the desire of the Soviet Government to help Germany and to consolidate firmly the political understanding in economic matters, too, became more and more evident.

The Agreement means a wide open door to the East for us. The raw material purchases from the Soviet Union and from the countries bordering the Soviet Union can still be considerably increased. But it is essential to meet the German commitments to the extent required. In view of the great volume this will require a special effort. If we succeed in extending and expanding exports to the East in the required volume, the effects of the English blockade will be decisively weakened by the incoming raw materials."

Could have done more to support Latin American revolutions and struggles

The war I mean.

or less.

The war was good too.

It made rational sense to support a friendly Socialist government on its southern border, and gave the USSR a link into India without having to go through China.

Soviet losses were substantial, but hardly on the level that they were causing significant strain on the Soviet Army. I suspect the thorough job that western propagandists did after the war contributes more to the modern perception of the war than the actuality of it.

Temporary concessions. Now KYS.

Huh, weird how all the
people fucked off after I posted this.

Concessions to what? The Soviets didn't have to trade with Germany if it didn't want, and again the German economy was far more dependent on shipments from the Soviets than vice versa.

You could just admit that it was wrong as actual Marxist-Leninists did (aside from online apparently).

Invasion of afghanistan

What did they do right between 36 and 41? The annexation of the baltics had some legitimacy perhaps but what else? Condemning the invasion of ethiopia?

Being the only force that tried to stand up against fascism

Yeah by coordinating with the nazis to invade poland. Top tier anti fascist policy right there :^)

The USSR attempted, on a number of occasions, to coordinate with the UK and France as Germany rearmed and expanded, but obviously nothing came of it. Hence the USSR feeling the need to sign a treaty with Germany.

The war with Finland, while badly executed, was necessary to help ensure the security of Leningrad.

They didn't do a very good job at that before germany invaded them. They sure didn't try very hard in spain.

Not really, the Polish army was effectively defeated before the Red Army entered Poland. Prior to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the Soviets offered the French and British an alliance against Germany. The Poles protested and had it blocked. Prior to that, the Soviets offered the Czechs military protection should the Germans invade. The British protested and forced the Czechs to surrender the Sudetenland to the Germans.

The Soviets were the only ones that sent military support to the Spanish republic to protect themselves against fascist aggression. Meanwhile the Brits blockaded the Spanish fleet in the Mediterranean to allow Franco to land in Seville.

242 aircraft,
703 pieces of artillery,
731 tanks,
1,386 trucks,
300 armored cars
15,000 heavy machine guns,
500,000 rifles,
30,000 sub-machine guns,
4,000,000 artillery shells,
1,000,000,000 machine gun cartridges
2,000 military personnel

Yep, low effort.

I can understand the pact as Germany had signed one with every other country already, but that is a lot of material exchange going on. Like you can defend the USSR without going full retard.

While I have my own opinions about the USSR and the spanish civil war I do appreciate it when tankies bring out the stats to BTFO blatant propaganda.

you're being dishonest as fuck if you seriously think that the Hungarian revolt was 100% CIA backed. US intelligence had no idea the revolt was even going to happen until it did.

Reminds me of another revolution…

every revolution ever

Fuck Bin Ladin. Soviets did right thing.

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Lenin was sure the rest of Europe would ge red aaaaaany moment now. In fact, his whole strategy hinged on it. WHOOPS

Invading Finland, the whole deal with Mongolia was a cluster fuck, oh and the Non-Aggression Pact

Nazis had pacts with every european country before the soviets.

He counted on german socialists not being complete pussies, and indeed got that wrong.

Afghanista was completly justified and it wouldn't even be such a big deal it wasn't for the america pigs

best post of this thread

yugoslavia. m-ls today accept the fact that the comintern handled tito in a wrong way

The USA exploits pre-existing tensions as cover for their clandestine operations. Innocent dissenters and critics are always used in this way. See color revolutions, euromaidan, arab spring, syria, the list goes on… It doesn't change the fact that the "uprising" is ultimately a CIA op and has to be put down.

Says who? The CIA? STFU.

Even bigger reason to not to trust them considering they fucked all of Europe

So the failure was not the pact itself, but their hope that the Germans would hold to it longer than they did. Which yes was a major failure by the Soviet government. The pact itself was useful if nothing else for buying them time and a buffer zone, and ensuring the Germans stayed out of the war with Finland.

Gorbachevs entire time in office?

I wish I could be this much of an anti-American contrarian. Burgerland has its fingers in everything, but that doesn't mean everything that ever happens is a Burger plot. The United States spent the over half a century trying to assassinate Castro and failed and lost a war to a bunch of rice farmers in Vietnam. They're not this hyper-competent Great Satan that everything can be blamed on.

Ideology is strong in this one

Damn that UDBA officer that offed grand-uncle's brains was right then
Thank you for sharing your all knowing knowledge Holla Forums

I wish I could be this much of an anti-communist contrarian.
see

yeah your grand-uncle probably did deserve it. why the fuck do you think your shitty family would tell the truth?

You have zero evidence that the revolution was fascist or run by the CIA.

No, "the CIA was doing something tangentially related if you look at it sideways and squint" isn't proof.

It wasn't. Both superpowers at the time wanted it to be but it simply wasn't.

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Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "la la la" isn't a debunking, you moron.

Your pictures do not support the claim that the uprising itself was CIA. It specifically does not say that the CIA created the uprising, but that it supported one that was already there.

lmfao you anticommunists are straining insanely hard right now to try and defend US-backed fascists.

I can't

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