Putin And The Revival Of The Russian Orthodox Church

Why are Eastern Orthodox priests so fat?

Cuz they're so fulla God's love.

That sounds so wrong.

Because it is not about faith, it is about (earthly) power

orthodox church in russia is a dead horse no matter how much russian media shills it
SU legacy is widespread atheism
even "true believers" are pagan larper tier

muh ancestors prayed to Odin God! Nevsky, Suvorov, Nachimov all were devoted christians! hail russian imperial army! For God, Tsar, and Motherland!

Don't fight Christ's love. Let Jesus inside you.

But why? Why are they even bothering to shill religion? No other industrialized western country does that.

Would you rather he be building mosques so muslims can plan terrorism from inside of them?

Ok joel i'll let Jesus go first.

Russia is not industrialize,putins Russia is fully dependent on oil and energy sector. Furthermore, outside major cities internet literacy is low, so religion is easy to manipulate.

I'd rather Holla Forums not pollute my threads with reactionary drivel.

Your threads deserve it dumbass lmao

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Yeah, but they're still powerful.

Except putin does build mosques.
He has also imported millions of muslims from central asia.

Fuck you too.

Yeah, Kazakhs, Uzbeks and Kyrgyzstanis. They're straight up Mongol-looking too so that's another blow to the homoerotic Holla Forums fantasy that Putin's some kinda shirtless crypto-white nationalist leader.

because they need "national idea" to consolidate the people of different classes, especially in the face of increasing tensions with the west
capitalism really not that popular in russia as an idea in itself
people were cheering and making snarky remarks when Moscow government was demolishing petty bourg kiosks and stores
and when owners started to appeal to property rights, they were basically humiliated by general public in the spirit of "you can shove your papers up your arse"

Putin is trying to impose reactionary rule and I wouldn't be surprised if he brings back the Black Hundreds

Some Russians told me that the education and healthcare system has been left to decay, since Russia doesn't need decent doctors or nuclear scientists and stuff. Putin wants a stultified populace in his domain, and allows anyone who's fed up to leave the country, because anyone rowdy would only cause trouble.

and just a reminder that Marx hated Russia and supported the French/British side in the Crimean war due to Russian despotism.

It was a good post, but why did you end with rusophobia?

imported for cheap labour and to create muh reserve army of labour

Russia doesn't need nuclear scientists or rocket technicians anymore, it needs soldiers to push into the army, oil traders and lumbermen to extract raw resources and export them unrefined to growing economies such as China and Central Europe.

Building mosques is just to coddle them. Much cheaper in the long run to build Churches/Mosques and allow scam artists in clerical robes to run around than building research institutions.

I'm not Russophobic, Marx and Engels were truly sceptical of Russia and its government at that time.

There's nothing wrong with this

It may not have that pull, but religious sentiment and wishful thinking is still a human instinct. Just look at how populism attracts people and allows them to vote for Erdogan and Netanyahu when they give lip service to a significant religious minority within their electorate.

And Turkey and Russia are probably the only remnants of their respective empires/states that participated in WWI that never expressed remorse for their religious deeds (i.e. Armenian genocide and Russian Orthodox pogroms/Black Hundreds)

Just how anti-capitalist is Russia still today?

What's Marx got to do with this?

Not really the point of this thread…

You'd be surprised.

Russia has already reached the corporatism. The kiosks weren't demolished over hate for capitalism, it was demolished because the oligarchs want to maintain their monopoly,

I dunno what black programs even are, m8.

Black hundrets were Russian nazis 100 years ago.

Why is this so hot?

Because Russian Empire was legitimately shit at the time.
It wasn't called "gendarme of Europe" for nothing.

And what's "gendarme"?

Paramilitary police.

use google you goddamn retard

Hating on the government is no excuse for hating on the people

Where does he hate on the people?

this

kiosks were in the juicy spot with high human traffic, property rights were bought in the wild 90s so in the eyes of the public they have no legitimacy whatsoever
so as a result you have only petty bourgs whining about muh kulaks and corporatism

Because the anti-religion crusade during the Soviet Union is one of the few legitimate criticisms of the Soviet Union, if he really is gearing up to bring Russia back into a superpower might as well learn from past mistakes.

Agree!

The anti-religion crusade was actually one of the better things the SU did, they actually didn't go far enough, Stalin started appeasing the church during the war. Hoxha got the right idea.

Forcing people into atheism is anarchism now?

It wasn't. There was a reason why Marx thought it was a bad idea to force religion out of society.

Organized religion will have to be brought down, that doesn't mean you force people into atheism.

Marx stated pretty clearly that religion only exists so that people can deal with their misery. Those spooks will dissapear quickly under socialism.

He also said that forcing it out through totalitarian methods, as Soviet states did, would only cause religion to bounce back in spite of said methods, which is exactly what it did.

Objectively wrong. As people mentioned earlier in this thread, the russian state is trying to push the church to the foreground of society again despite people only becoming more secular and atheist. Albania has no problems with islamic fundamentalism like other mayority muslim countries.
This is because the USSR took a softer position on religion later on while Albania didn't.

is being a secular theocrat the most reactionary thing ever?

The Russian Orthodox Church is a literal mafia:

aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/08/evictions-trials-russian-church-claims-property-170822103042061.html

Because muh traditional religious morals against Western decadent liberalism. Geopolitics plays a great role in it.

More like monarchists and proto-fascists, no?

Ancom is right.

Like Assad and Saddam?

China is rehabilitating Confucionism. Would Marxism-Leninism-Dengism-Confucius Thought be the highest stage of Marxism?

How is it objectively wrong when religious identity is still quite prevalent? Even Albania has more people who identify as religious than many Western nations, let alone the drastic increase in church attendance in places like Armenia.
All persecution of religion is good for is tipping fedoras.

L M A O Fucking slavshits claiming they are religious

I'm gonna need a source for that claim. That number's outta this world high.

Your understanding of human nature is on he same level as typical Holla Forumsock.

d.umn.edu/~lars1521/Russiaabortion.htm
iol.co.za/dailynews/lifestyle/russia-worlds-highest-rate-of-abortions-1176756
nrlc.org/archive/news/2003/NRL03/russia.html

To answer OP's question: They need proles to be spooked again because they need drones for the capitalist machine.

One of reasons why I am studying engineering. Post revolutionary Russia will have to make a very quick robotization and embrace fully automated communism or it is fucked.

The more leftwing an environment becomes, the higher the probabilities of hearing this sentence repeated.

Is this, without any doubt, the favorite Bible quote of Communists?

Did Action Bronson become a priest or some shit???

dude what

No, this is

This. Easy.

It obviously is.

And it also ties into nationalism - even the US, you can see that. Religion is used as a symbol of national heritage and tradition. In Soviet Russia religion was suppressed, but (at least once Stalin came to power) many of its social positions and much of its morality effectively remained in stasis while the country isolated.

With Putin's actions, he essentially gives both the authoritarianism and staunch nationalism of the Soviet era but with a major resurgence for the Russian Orthodox. In turn, they give him favor among followers who turn to religion for community, identity, and of course God.

Russia has separation of church and state. Putin is using the Orthodox Christian the same way Stalin did.