Clarifying a thing

You guys keep going to Holla Forums calling us "Capitalists".
We're not Capitalists
We fight against both 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Capitalism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 and 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Communism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧.

Our economic system is derived from Cameralism and the American System of Economics and also has Guild Socialism.
You see, there was indeed a Worker's Crisis in the 19th Century caused by 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Capitalists🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧, but it was because their Monopolies, allied with Democratic power allowed them to outlaws Guilds.
If you don't know what Guilds did, then kill yourselves, "go read a book":
I know you guys are not interested in anything we have to say and therefore don't know shit about us, contrary to us, who studied Communism head to toe to debunk you.

Now, if you want to know about this type of economic system, which is outside the fake dichotomy you guys live in, you can read this book, which is a nice summary of it all:
Web of Debt, by Ellen Brown
There's a copy on >>>/pdfs/364
If you guys are too lazy to read, there are many documentaries:

All Wars Are Bankers Wars
youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo

The Money Masters
youtube.com/watch?v=i3WhLcTs_00

Whatever man this shit's boring who cares

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If you are anti capitalist, how come the figures you support upheld the capitalist system, accepted drastic amounts of funds from the capitalists, allowed them to exploit the dwindling labour conditions, and then killed or figuratively castrated the radicals and anti-capitalists of their parties? I'm not talking about the Asserists here, I'm thinking of the Iron Guard and what happened to their anti-capialists, and the National Syndicalists of Spain who were forced to give up anti-capitalism.

If you are anti-capitalist, why do you seek to keep the same form of hierarchy, the same mode of production for exchange and accumulation of capital, and often support capitalist figures? Why do your historical figures worth a fuck do the same thing? Why did they kill their anti-capitalists off, and why do you support them for this?

It was not Corporatism, keep trying.

Good job, moron. That's what it is explaining, it betrayed Fascist corporatism which had the potential to be anti-capitalist and replaced it with massive concessions to the bourgeoisie and the defence of capitalism.

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Pointing out the ethnic differences among capitalists isn't "fighting capitalism"
This isn't how it worked historically.
Saying that communism is jewish over and over isn't debunking.

Actually, will you bother to see/read anything? No, right? I guessed so.
You don't actually want to learn anything outside of your little boxes.

But okay, answering you:
Figures I support? Like who? Not Socialism was anti-capitalist.
Hitler did that to be able to be elected. After that, he rid himself of it, which you could know.
Carta Del Lavoro, Germany did similar things.
Hahaha, wrong.
Syndicalism is bad, it's a perversion of the Guild Socialism that's actually destructive to the economy.

Yes
Hierarchy is the natural state of the human being. But it needs to be Natural and fair, which was easily attainable, as seen in history.
The problem doesn't lie there. The problem lies in how money is created and what money is, not in the accumulation of it.
Again this?
Wow, not at all, read a book, I posted there.
Again this? Stop repeating wrong stuff.


I read it, but the whole "muh Corporatists" is so old… Also, look at the quotations in red - these guys are outright Liberals, not NutSac at all.

Capitalism differs in many aspects from Cameralism.
The only similarity is free enterprise and accumulation of Capital, which aren't problems.
Regarding everything else, they're totally different.

No it wasn't. They underwent massive privatization and continued the institutions of private property, wage labor, and capital accumulation. try reading the posts in the thread,
What is night of the long knives?
Excellent argument.
What are you talking about? History is littered with nothing but class conflict.

It still had wage labour and the primary class division in germany was between the proletariat and the bourgeois. NutSac was capitalist.

The Nazi Party purged their anti-capitalist elements in the night of the long knives and had continued support after election from global corporations, including Ford and IBM. Bullshit.
What is the Night of the Long Knives, what are the laws of the Fascist states, what was the Iron Guard's terror campaign against its nationalist-socialist members and the replacement of anti-capitalists by people like Antonescu? Bullshit.
You are fast proving to me that you don't even understand your own ideology, neither the history behind it. The National Syndicalists did not support the same policies as the Anarchist-Syndicalists, they were firmly corporatist, orthodox Fascists who wanted a class collaborationist society, and they were castrated by Franco for even that being too extreme.
"Capitalism but GOOD!" doesn't suddenly stop being capitalism. Capitalism is a complex relation to exchange and production, not a term of good and evil. By what modicum were the Fascist states anti-capitalist?
You are either intellectually dishonest or intellectually uneducated on this topic. I've provided examples of this, and you've just gone "N-NUH UH NOT REALLY!"

I read it, but you're fundamentally wrong, see:
Privatization is giving enterprises to the People, contrary to the Government. monopolies were not glorified and their model was to make everyone in the nation an Enterpreneur of sorts, everyone with a business.
Accumulation of Capital is not a problem, because it doesn't prevent people from having it too - it only becomes a problem when your Central Bank is private or your Currency is backed by a Commodity which is not Work.
Good killings.

Learn about the history of Guilds. Syndicates try to fill for their void but fail miserably. I'm not going to write an essay here.

Hahahahaha

fava beans??

Read a book you filthy nigger

Really now? You realize it wasn't their "anti-capitalist" faction, but their "communist" faction, right?

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Privatization is giving businesses to capitalists. Hence the nazis were capitalist. And are you saying capital accumulation isn't capitalist if there are private banks or commodity backed currency? That's a brainlet tier understanding of political economy.

I think that's like their favorite shit. To them like: Finally, Whited.com!

the accumulation of capital is arguably the most important aspect of capitalism and is the cause of most of capitalism's problems.

It's not, it's giving business to people who're outside of the government.
Capitalists are Internationalists, Factory Owners, Bankers, Monopolists - that's totally different.

They were not, deal with it, they loathed Capitalism - they used it to advance their causes because that was the system before, just like you and I live in a Capitalist society and you guys receive money from George Soros, an IMMENSE CAPITALIST to fund your movements.

You're retarded.
Accumulation WAS bad because the supply of Money is limited if say, Gold is the backing, or if Private, Debt-ridden currencies are emitted.
If your government is emitting debt-free money backed by WORK (something even Marx said), then it will not create inflation neither lack of supply of money - hence, if someone accumulates money, it will not prevent other people from having it too.

Christ….

No, we don't like any kind of irrelevant shiting, even if it means
No, we're against it.

Shit you're right, they'd probably get into a heated 14/88 jerk off fantasy, my bad

It doesn't trigger, I pity you tbh.

The height of Nazi intellecutalism, everyone.

The SA was never communist. They were Asserist, not Marxist. Neither the Italian Fascists nor the German variant were ever socialist in the Marxist sense.

This is the most embarrassing post i have seen all day. At this point i don't know if you can go any intellectually lower.

How does it feel for all white women to be repulsed by you to the point your a 33 year old virgin polyp

Why, because we don't have your vast collection?

You're retarded if you don't want any private ownership of anything.
But hey, you're a communist, that's what you do!


Not in line.


Nice argument! You don't even understand the fundamentals of accumulation of capital!
=)


I'm not 33 =)
My women is in the bed beside me.


Collection of what?

it away from state capitalism towards private capitalism. big fucking whoop dude.

calling the Assers communist is p laughable dude. also what do you think communism is?


Capitalists are those who own the means of producing goods or otherwise profit off of capital. Wether they are of your nation or not doesn't matter.
that us why they crushed labour and sided with the german capitalists on everything right?

No, really now, a retard talking about Asserists/Corporatists, an idiot posting porn thinking it will trigger me, some retard who's against private ownership of anything.

But worse of all:
People who don't understand the fundamental of 1. What Money Is; 2. How it is Created; 3. By Whom; 4. For What; 5. How it Expands

Really retards

Christ….
i can't stop laughing

I can't either, Holla Forums is really filled to the brink with idiots.

I agree, OP should go back to school and take some basic economics classes cause he is getting even that shit wrong.

forgot my > on christ

Of interracial porn. There hasn't been a single raid by Holla Forumsyps here where they don't reveal the have hundreds of GB worth on their drives in the process

It's not because their end goal is similar. State Corporatism.

Okay, we're disagreeing here for a matter of principle.
Do you think a Blacksmith of the 2nd Century was an Evil Capitalist? Or that guy who owns a bakery?
This is irredeemable.
This is why ANTIFA is filled to the brink with George Soros' money, right? People have to do with what they have.

This 'debate' is clearly not going anywhere. You are arguing in very bad faith and completely ignoring the arguments provided with "NUH UH, AKSHUALLY NOT TRUE" and not going in any depth to dispel them or explain otherwise, and likewise your arguments on how it was anti-capitalist boil down to "It wasn't because it wasn't! COMMIES!! COMMIES!!"

you can't be this dumb

No, actually, a guy from 4chan, and a Reddit BO was raiding the whole of Holla Forums with cuckporn.
We found him and nuked him.

You're the dumb one for not understanding monetary policies and why accumulation of capital is bogus.

still waiting on my paycheck

What does nuked him mean? Made a meme about him? Called him the n-word on the internet?

I said interracial porn. Fascinating how your brain works though

Communism isn't the government does stuff kiddo.

Please continue the posting of these hot takes. Also can someone screenshot this thread? This is a great moment in Holla Forums ignorance and it must be remembered.

Bro, I said above: I'm not writing an essay.
I've given you 4 books and 2 documentaries.
If you don't want to watch things like "All Wars Are Bankers Wars" then how can you even call yourself an "Anti-Capitalist"?

But I agree, it's not going anywhere because we're entering irredeemable territory, things like Private ownership and basic concepts like "accumulation of capital".

I'm going to sleep, really, I just got banned by this post here:
Reason: "Nazishit".
This clearly demonstrates that conversations are over.


He was doxxed. He disappeared after.

Who cares

I know, the end goal is Anarcho-Communism.


Nice arguments, thing is: you're never getting your Anarcho-Communist paradise and will always fall into State Corporatism.

Here you go. There has been worse tbh. At least he TRIED to argue, though in incredibly bad faith and dishonestly.

You cared when you gave me your story about raiding no one cares about

Pitiful, really, when you guys don't have arguments yourselves.

lol as if you have any arguments, dumb ziocuck

There are plenty of arguments. You chose to ignore them and instead say "N-NUH UH! THAT'S NOT TRUE!" rather than go into any depth or level of intellectual honesty. Come back when you have read more than "why da jooz r bad"

4 Books, 2 Documentaries. Theory of value, private property, accumulation of capital.
You guys:

You just praised Ford a minute ago

Who is they? Hitler in particular was seen as too conservative by Goebbels early on for among other things, refusing to seize Junker land.

No, really now, I'm out. You can nuke this thread for what i'm concerned.

does writing like this gives you a sense of superiority ?
it's really cringy to read btw :/

Oh damn this must be all that arguing in good faith I keep hearing about.
Give me a fucking break you greasy fucking loser

If the blacksmith or baker makes the majority of their income not off their labour but off of the labour of employees and use that income to expand their buisnesses they are capitalists. If they make their income off of their labour alone they are not.


You obviously don't kow what private property or accumulation of capital are.

he's like 14 and thinks "what if we just got rid of the bad capitalists dude"

Posting books and youtube videos aren't an argument i am afraid. As for those other things, you hardly even explained your position or arguments. All i have to say is try harder next time kiddo. Maybe try learning your own positions and the positions of the people you are arguing against next time.

he did though because he smugly said not an arguement like his hero Arguement Man

stav soundboard-ing should be the only response to these retards

This is a waste of time. The way the term is used here is far more complex than muh private ownership of da mops 🔚🚾

jesus christ you have no idea what you're talking about whatsoever