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What went wrong?
Brody Fisher
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Thomas Miller
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Robert Collins
The only known actual practicing follower of "communisation theory" aka anarchist communism
Oliver Smith
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Blake Stewart
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Thomas Gutierrez
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He should have let Denikin burn Moscow and execute the Bolsheviks. Backstabbing, lying bastards.
Read
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His advocacy of syndicalist practice in "Organizational Platform Of The Libertarian Communists" came from his experience with industry in the Free Territory. Say what you will, he was consistent in defending communization
That guy is a liar and a fraud.
There were fully communist relations established in some parts of Spain (mainly rural Aragon), but a lot of communities experimented with that first and settled on labour vouchers instead.
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On the other hand, the Free Territory exemplified full communization as an immediate process.
Isaiah Taylor
Don't get me wrong, not trying to shit on what Makhno did at all but leaving out Spain entirely as an example of communisation felt a little disingenuous
Dominic Perry
If those quotes are to be believed, then doesn't that raise the damning critique that communization only works within relatively impoverished, rural, agrarian societies, and cannot be applied to industrialized populations without reverting to hierarchy and exploitation?
Eli Campbell
Absolutely, you're right. It was the only example of communization in a country with heavy industry. Plus, labor vouchers were generally only used for luxury goods and such - basic goods (water, bread, olive oil, wine, haircuts, utilities, etc) were universally free.
Ian Green
Well, like I said after those quotes, Makhno revised his own stance after to include an industrial stance in the Platform (syndicalist methods, but do not enter the bureaucracy), and yet he still advocated Kropotkin's "immediate communisation of supplies" (yes, that term is in The Conquest Of Bread).
Moreover, the issue of coordination is moot today - we have one of the most resilient communication infrastructures of all time, the Internet. ISPs and the protocols above their level are all very rigid, but meshnets remained true to the original nature. Plus, we have free ERP software for planning by linear optimization (I've been fiddling around with one myself to specialize it for decentralized planning and free association).
The main issue for any modern attempt at socialism (communization or not) is well explained by Jasper Bernes' essay "Logistics, Counter-Logistics, And The Communist Prospect".
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The closest thing that I see to a solution is that communization must take place in the US, China, or India and must immediately be backed up by both a common planning platform/method/app and be accompanied by accumulated knowledge on industrial matters via open source networks to quickly improvise solutions to avoid bottlenecks.
Liam Johnson
It was a flippant comment to trigger leftcom point duly accepted and noted
Jaxson Harris
Good posting friend all through this thread
Benjamin Hill
It always amazes me that anarchists point to this fuckwad as an example of successful praxis. There's at least a case to be made for Catalonia, but this fucker was a straight-up robber baron.
Luis Howard
And yet the peasants established communism nevertheless. Marx was wrong on this one, Bakunin was right.
The free soviets did both. He just led the armies and banned parties.
He cooperated with the Bolsheviks not once, but twice. I even cited above how he saved them!
What are you talking about? He put in conscription, but there was self management within the Black Army. Trotsky, on the other hand, shut down the Red Guards and Lenin instituted the tyrannical "War Communism" which was so brutal and inefficient and unpopular that they went back to markets afterwards (communistic self management and free association of the factory committees and soviets would have left them powerless)
Trotsky started the civil war by executing the czechoslovak legions and riling up the SRs, and then attacked Makhno instead of putting all resources into the Polish-Soviet war!
STOP PROJECTING, FAGGOT
Ryder Torres
fucking trots man I swear.
Luis Williams
Nothing.
Luis Williams
ahhahaha man what a great meme
who said anarchists can't be funny? ahahaha
Evan Clark
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Eli Morgan
Solidarity is a farce.
Hunter Taylor
The antipeasantism meme needs to stop.
Camden Reyes
This is some straight up "denying the sky is blue" shit
Noah Perry
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Jayden Nelson
Why has no Marxist ever communised, and only anarchists have made attempts at communising but leftcoms claim communisation theory is some special marxist thing only special people understand?
Colton Ramirez
Most the events like Soviet Makhno conflict or Kronstadt rebellion don't have anything. Anything at all to do with ideology. Sad reality, well for me anyway, is that it was mostly just angry slavs killing each other. Just like today.
T.Rusophobic Russian.
Andrew Johnson
Oh lord, this thread is such a clusterfuck, guys please, read a history book. Makhno Soviet conflict or Kronstadt rebellion don't have anything at all to do with ideology! Nothing it's was just Slavs killing each other over hundreds of years of bitterness!
Levi Lewis
But…but lenin was ok with the F.T it was Trotsky who had a gigantic fit about it and borderline forced the reds to attack the blacks t b h
David Bailey
im glad he fled to paris, shows you how far anarchists are willing to fight for their beliefs
Landon Cooper
You have to go back.
Gavin Powell
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Jeremiah Jones
Leftcom rebuttals for this thread:
Completely absent.
Now they are usually extremely vocal, which means they truly have nothing to say on the subject, therefore they have been out and "communisation theory" should be word filtered to "anarchist communism"