What on earth is wrong with tankies? How do they consider commodity production, wage labor, cults of personality, theocracy, extracting surplus value from labor, and quasi theocracies as being perfectly fine because of "muh material conditions".
Tankie screeching in my ears 24/7 please make it stop
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commodity production and wage labor will still exist under the transitional state.
- Marx CotGP
Fuck you. At least represent Marxist-Leninists fairly if you're gonna meme them.
Literally he says the exact opposite of that.
Like he literally says 'these are not commodities'
You know how many times fascism's brought back capitalism from it's deathbed by literally killed it's left-wing opposition? You think your hippie commune militiamen are gonna be enough to keep porkies at bay when they form voltron and do whatever they can to take down your socialist states with their well trained, well equipped armies and big government?
Fools!
that isn't vague bullshit designed to facilitate say-so disappearings/arrests/gulag'ings/executions
t. George II of Burgerland
You can say these things are part of whatever stage you want, just don't say it's socialism.
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wtf I hate gulaging liberals, religious fundamentalists and fascists
Not an anarchist myself, but I have to give credit where credit is do. Anarchist societies have to be destroyed by an outside force. Tankie states will just collapse on their own due to their instability.
Actually you need to rig the election to prevent a communist from getting reelected and then have liberal succdems ruin everything.
How so? Name a Marxist-Leninist state that stayed true to it's socialist principles and didn't fall for the trap of revisionism that crumbled on it's own.
weird how no Marxist-Leninist state in history has ever stayed true to its "socialist principles" without giving into revisionism.
It's almost like relying on the state to create socialism doesn't work.
You just answered your own question m8,000
It's called Maoism, dickhead. You make a critique of where you think your socialist society's going wrong and make improvements without going full SuccDem.
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And that's how Maoist China stopped the Dengists from taking over the party from wait a minute
That bingo card is super outdated
FUCK TANKIES! ALL I NEED IS VEGANISM AND KARMA
OP, all these terms you use are thrown around by Marxists and Anarchists of every stripe while virtually never being clear about what they mean by them. And they do have multiple meanings. Would rationing consumer products by a labour-voucher system (can't be given directly to other people, can't be used to obtain means of production, aren't inherited, don't go to the factory producing the particular thing you obtain with it) constitute commodity production or not? Different people say different things about that (my answer is no). The way the ruble worked in the USSR seems to be somewhat closer to labour vouchers than currency in the capitalist sense, though you could give them to others. Cult of personality is whenever somebody is popular that you don't like. People need a buffer for bad circumstances and improving productive capacity, so people have to produce more than what would directly go to their own consumption, whether left "intellectuals" consider that exploitation or not seems to hinge on personal misgivings about this or that political leader. I don't know by what measure one would call Enver Hoxha a theocrat.
I'm a Leftcom now? Odd, didn't know that.
Also, I thought the point of bingo was to mark off the boxes, yet none of them qualify for a checking off. Looks like no one is getting a bingo tonight it seems.
I didn't read this thread. Stay butthurt OP, the ebil tankies transformed an illiterate peasantry into a superpower in a generation. What have anarchists achieved? I'm literally lmaoing at your life right now.
Yes I'm sure you helped build the USSR and certainly weren't at most a toddler when it disappeared.
Butthurt
It is but part of me was feeling nostalgic and thought I'd post it anyways. Plus somethings on it still haven't changed.
Geez, I'm an anarchist again? I'm going through so many rapid ideological changes and I'm not even aware of it happening. And why do I hear what sounds like screaming, angry keyboard typing, and a tank engine idling in the distance?
Pick one. Marxist-Leninist-Maoism died when The Honourable Chairman did.
You are literally crying like a bitch right now. I'm still lmaoing at your life.
Because Stalin did literally nothing wrong you twink. Under neo-Stalinism you will be killing fascist scum left and right, and you WILL LEARN TO LIKE IT. Your armchairs will be burnt to a cinder, and you will have to get a real job for once.
It's a mystery.
hurr durr so we seized state control and it's still capitalism but we're going somewhere with it i swear, it's not as if marx wrote that this isn't what socialism would be like
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Good, we should defend the revolution from marxist-leninists who undermine the organic self-organisation of workers (soviets) in favor of an all-controlling unelected party
At this point, fuck this sectarian bullshit, if the left is so insistent on eating itself, then why stop it? This is fucking pathetic
Tankies are not leftists
and you're not a revolutionary
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Afrospasm you are fucking pathetic. MLM is a 90s invention.