Danny Fetonte resigned from DSA

Democratic Cops of America no more. Also, his crypto-McCarthyite post about "extremist groups" infiltrating the organization sheds some light on why he was allowed to stay so long. Seems he was kept around mostly by the old guard leadership, it seems that most of the new national leadership are genuine lefties and are at odds with the old guard, and it looks like, at least for the moment, the new leadership is winning.

Hope for the Democratic Cops of America?

There is no hope for socdems and there never will be.

Goodbye Danny! Don't let the door hit you on your way out!

Fetonte was a socdem and he seems angry about "extremists" in the organization, making it sound like there are genuine socialists in high places in the organization now and they're spreading.

I don't know why genuine socialists waste time with Democratic Cops of America why not just join a party of your own?

Why join or create a party of their own when they can take over the biggest left party there is. Thats what Fetonte implying.

Because Democratic Cops of America is the largest organization with some of the most influence. You ought to at least work with them.

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Represent.

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It's nice to see the right wing of the Democratic Cops of America this worried.

The filter is a tad childish especially now that he's gone. Remove it out of respect for Heather Heyer at least.

meh, it's all just bantz either way

And this is a good thing how? Growth for growth's sake, activism for activism's sake, meanwhile basic party tasks are left unattended, nobody teaches the newbies on the basics of theory.

Oh, no, spooky communists!

Division is always good if it's drawn between idiots and Marxists.

These bad people said I was a reformist!

Real organizing involves taking care of bureaucratic tasks, and theoretical work.

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That's quite different from joining Democratic Cops of America is it not?

it's called entryism, there's a reason liberals are so afraid of it

Get out and stay out you delusional retard.

I would still work with them from within a relevant organization (i.e.- SAlt, IWW, PSL), not some tiny sect.

Why not both? That's what I'm doing. If you want to build a movement for socialist you have to go where the people are and help them understand what socialism is.

You mean reappropriate red from republicans on election maps so we can turn America red for Her?

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You seem confused, this isn't a CPUSA thread

I'm literally in the leadership of one of the locals and i'm not as mad about the filter as you are. Relax friend

He's already out.

there will be more drama in the future. having communists and socdems in the same party together doesn't work, the fetonte thing was just a symptom of that divide, not the cause of it.

liberals are afraid of their own shadows

There will certainly be more drama, but I think the Marxists actually have a stranglehold on the org for the foreseeable future. So at worst the succdems might leave.

the problem is they aren't even remotely democratic in the first place. the party is essentially a bureaucratic once. what as that thing they always said about repeating history?

In a competition between communists and succdems, the communists usually win out unless the succdem faction gets official support from the state (unlikely in Burgerland where even mild succdem reforms are seen as "radical")

How so?

Didn't mean to sage.

Probably, but momentum is on our side, not the succdems.

>>Democratic Cops of America is no longer the organization of Debs, Sanders
Was Debs really a Democratic Cops of America style demsucc? I thought he was more radical than that.

No.

I think the people who suggest this repeatedly need to have their teeth kicked in tbqh. FPTP kills any minor party and it's astounding that Democratic Cops of America have come so far, although the old guard throwing their cash and media contacts around probably got them to this stage.
It's like two stage theory, but for entryism. Wait for the kulaks to establish a party that can be hijacked by the masses, then order the clouds not to rain.

Why would they do things in real life when they can just shitpost on Holla Forums?

Democratic Cops of America didn't really blow up until the left started taking over the party. It was a tiny dead little org in the hands of the old guard.

It's nice to wake up to some good news.

Strange. Most of my disdain for the "start a new party" crowd come from Brits arguing over whether to join Co-op, CPGB-ML, TUSC etc when Labour is undergoing entryism.

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I have no illusions about the Democratic Cops of America ever becoming the vanguard of the proletariat, but this shift leftwards can only be good, seeing as we live in a rare time when there's enough room to accomodate a far-left group in the American political spectrum. implying they eventually won't fall to liberalism, cheap unionism or whatever else

1) its not a party
2) its decentralized as fuck
3) ofc its somewhat bureaucratic. do you want just a loose anarchist collective mess that gets nothing done?

wordfilter removed when?

I know people shit on the Democratic Cops of America here but there the only leftist organization around here (deep south) that has any prominence. I've been emailing some people in the Democratic Cops of America and have been going to there meetings so I'm familiar with my local chapter and they all tend to dislike Fetonte. The thing with these decentralized groups is that each chapter can be different. That being said I realize there is a shitton of problems with the Democratic Cops of America but I can use them to network because they know some Redneck Revolt and black block people in the area. So fuck it I may just join, /leftpol/ be damned I'm not sitting in an armchair for the rest of my life

Liberals are afraid of succdems winning elections and then doing jack shit?! Truly porky is quaking in his boots.

Same boat, comrade. Democratic Cops of America's the only leftists presence here in the south, and I'll be damned if I let that opportunity go to waste. I've already begun talking to my friends and some of my family about Socialism (I get them started about how corrupt and greedy our country and world is, and how it could all be fixed if such greed did not exist, what it means to control the means of production, a brief history of the rise and fall of the American left, etc, and it really does get their heads nodding. I genuinely believe popular, socialist support will come to the south, it'll just take a while.

Recognition politics has the same limitations of idpol. Porky goes, yup I'm fucking you over, then all if any (a really big fucking if) remediation or change is all dictated by porky.

Stay mad burger. You'll be lucky if you ever get a rotten tooth pulled out your head for free let alone "jack shit" being done for you.

We just have to let the people know that the big corporations (and the state) are fucking the common people over big. The problem in the south is that people hate the government but they're ignorant to how corporation and businesses can also make our lives miserable. I think this has to do with the whole "pick yourself up by the bootstraps" that's so common in the South that basically lies to people and says they can start a mom and pop shop and become millionaires. The other part is that most of the South (and my state especially) is a right to work state which basically means your job can be taken from you for any non-specific reason.

That's why we should be critical of things like UBI, it could be a way of making the working class complacent. Any change porky makes is mostly symbolic

The Democratic Party is dead. The point should be to create a party to replace it.

Wut

I was criticizing Corbyn though.

Yeah, Southerns are quick to oppose gun control (good), and have an overall distrust for the state (also good), but they really love the way in which big rich types show off their assets and successes, because that gives the average southern Joe hope for a better life (which is a big reason why some tanned Yankee like Trump did so overwhelming well down here). This whole 'bootstrap' work ethic of not questioning their working condition and statuses also go hand in hand with the ever so present protestant/baptist work ethic. I think a new, Christian Left needs to rise here to make a long lasting impact for change.

Democratic Cops of America is shit, and I'm not saying that because I'm an armchair quarterback who requires fully form FALC before I'll bleed for a movement.
Democratic Cops of America is litterally liberals latest stalling tactic. It's recognition politics and it's just like idpol. Like with idpol instead of dismantling Jim Crow systemic racism they just say they're not throwing you in prison for being black but for "possession charges".
The Democratic Cops of America wants porky to "recognize" their plight, then let reforms happen on porkys watch and terms. The Democratic Cops of America will never organize unions, strikes or any form of direct action, have these soft punk ass liberals even sued a fucking landlord. Fuck Democratic Cops of America, lumpenproles are litterally better than them because at least there's no illusions around change without direct action.

I'm not talking about the Dems, unless you're saying that the Dems should be replaced since they're dead in the water, then in which case I agree. The real meat of the matter is whether a third party funded by members can compete with the GOP and the Dems, and whether America is doomed to just vote for the same two parties no matter what, which FPTP encourages greatly (which is why the neoliberal heartlands have it).

All Americans do here is bitch and moan about muh socdems, claiming that they'll just make the working class happier with capitalism, when the truth is they don't even have basic fucking healthcare and many Americans are plenty happy with capitalism. The Americans on this board are a joke and masters of the vacuous one line witty zinger, you knock down one of their posts and they'll ring off a list of them, one per post, so you'll never actually make them realise they're completely out of touch with reality.

I WISH succdems would reform capitalism, they don't do ANYTHING! Like you said we don't even have universal healthcare, every time a succdems runs into opposition they immediately capitulate.
I'm not complaining about burger succdems because I'm an accelerationist, I hate urged succdems because they stall even capitalist reforms,

Ah I misinterpreted what you said, my apologies. Still, we should be critical of any politician in this current form of liberal democracy who claims to be for the working class. Money and politics go hand in hand, so any top politician is definitely associated with the capitalist class one way or another.
"A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society. To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems." There is a reason Marx warned us about liberal democrat or socialist politicians.

Which is why I think we should give more attention to these comrades. Their dynamic works well here
Yeah people down here in the south love showing off their commodities, it is look as a mark of success. Whether it be a new pickup truck, house, grills or drugs people in the South like the "showmanship" of wealth. Also I have to agree with Rubio on this one, if Trump didn't inherit dad's wealth he would be some conman selling watches on a New York street corner.
My state has a large Catholic community but they still buy into the bootstraps ethic but it is more prominent in baptist/protestant/Episcopalian/evangelical etc. circles. At least the Catholics believe in evolution. I could see a rise of the Christian left but I rather drop all the spooky stuff even though I'm still a spooky nationalist, thanks Southern brainwashing erm I mean education

When was this?

Bernie endorsing Clinton, Obama to even trying for a public option much less single payer, pretty much anything Pelosi has ever fucking done.

I'm not an expert on social democracy, but I don't think that's social democracy. Even Bernie I'd say is a right-socdem.

Can you name a major reform a succdems has achieved in say the last 15 years.

The eternal burger brain strikes again.

All Dems promise succdem policies, then only pass neoliberal ones. You can't say for a second Obama didn't promise succdem reforms.

No.

The fucking jack ass Shillary supporter stikes again. Oh and what has Corbyn done? Guess your gonna say he's not a succdem too, you guys are like conservatives with Bush II, all of a sudden he's not a "real conservative" either.

I have rarely seen them do this.
Clinton lost because she couldn't even be bothered promising that.

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He didn't. He promised liberal reform.