Lets just compromise and agree that the USSR was the greatest social democracy to ever exsist

lets just compromise and agree that the USSR was the greatest social democracy to ever exsist

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For fuck's sake, say it with me:

DEGENERATED

WORKERS'

STATE

Socdems killed Rosa.

state capitalist

social democracy

As a leftcom, I agree.

You have three choices:

The first one makes you the most ultra-left ultra-leftist who has ever existed, the second one makes you delusional, and the third one makes you a reformist.

REMOVE ULTRA

the state apparatus was destroyed. tsar nicholas died.

look buddy im telling you the USSR was good. why arent you satisfied

That means you think it was never a workers' state, which means literally nothing will ever be a good enough workers' state for you.

it was a worker's state that had a capitalist mode of production.

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BECAUSE THERE ARE ULTRA TROTSKYITE WRECKERS IN THIS THREAD COMRADE

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wreckers is a meme.

The USSR was never communist except for when they put a man in space and when they murdered the nazis

NONSENSE. TROTS SHIT UP EVERY ORGANIZATION THEY JOIN. WHY DO WE HAVE 100 GORILLION TROTSKYITE GROUPS IN THIS COUNTRY? BECAUSE THEY SUCK AND CAN'T WORK TOGETHER. EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE REPUBLICANS, THEN THEY VOTE FOR WAR WITH ISRAEL WHILE DENOUNCING COMMUNISM. NEVER TRUST A TROT.

There's no such thing. The presence of a workers' state necessarily means certain elements of the capitalist mode of production have already been surpassed.

Pre-NEP USSR was literally just the Paris Commune but on a much larger scale. If you deny that the Paris Commune was a workers' state, good for you, but you're the one disagreeing with Marx, not me.

shachtmanites basically deserve death but most of the rest of the trots are okay

the purpose of a worker's state is to govern during the transition from capitalism to socialism.

Yes, the transition. As, in PAST capitalism but BEFORE socialism. A transitory state that cannot properly be considered part of either mode of production, but a border that is crossed from the one to the other.

if the transitional phase has generalized commodity production, it's capitalism.

A socialist revolution that has not surpassed capitalism is not a socialist revolution at all. To think otherwise is pure reformism.

there's no as such thing as a socialist or capitalist government, and thus no such thing as a capitalist or socialist revolution.

A state is a mechanism by which one class violently repressed one or several other classes.

This is Marxism 101.

yes. what does that have to do with the mode of production?

The mode of production is inseparably intertwined with the ruling class.

insane and retarded thing to think

HEY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IN COMMUNISM THERE IS A RULING CLASS? HARD TO IMAGINE COMMUNISM WITHOUT A MODE OF PRODUCTION

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wtf i'm a reactionary now

YOU CUCKS NEVER SEIZED POWER ONCE. ONCE. CANT FAIL IF YOU DON'T TRY EH?

WOAH WOAH WOAH, HOW CAN SOMETHING BE INTERTWINED WITH THE RULING CLASS….. IF THERE IS NO RULING CLASS?

the end of ruling classes means the end of production. communism is the apocalypse.

WOAH
WOOOOOOOAAAAAAAH
WOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
THIS IS SOME NEXT LEVEL TROT THEORY MAN

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Communism is intertwined with its LACK of a ruling class. No other mode of production has this characteristic.

Have you people literally never even read the Manifesto? The idea of class struggle characterizing production is not a fucking radical idea.

It wasn't secret they called it a "socialist" revolution. It happened on 1917 November 7.

production was collectivized, labour market did not exist and great leap forward abolishing commodity production was made. How is that capitalist mode of production?

Fuck off.

The only revolutionary potential was in the workers' councils that the Bolsheviks dismantled.

This. It's funny how all Leninists care about is having their faction be branded as "the one in charge" because it's their duty to "teach socialism to the masses", and yet claim to love democracy while dismissing the actual revolutionary organizations of the proletariat for not adhering to their idyllic, set in stone vision of what socialism ought to look like.
God, fuck off already, all of you! Pannekoek was right about Lenin.

The October Revolution was the workers' councils TAKING POWER, hence, SOVIET Russia.

Is everyone on this fucking board historically illiterate.

The October "Revolution" was a Bolshevik coup.

t. read the russian revolution wikipedia article

and then a few years later Lenin crushed the soviets.

How many times do we have to post this pic before you learn to shut the fuck up?
No, only you.

trips of truth

How many layers of utopianism are you on?

0

So you are only on pure ideology then.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_communism

How many times do I have to post this until you stop posting that shitty pic?

Honestly I think my biggest issue with the USSR is the Social Conservatism. I'm okay with a vanguard if I actually agree with their ideals.