It's time to abandon Marxism and move on to stuff like Communalism and Social Ecology...

It's time to abandon Marxism and move on to stuff like Communalism and Social Ecology, no one will want to support a communist movement ever.

No

What the fuck?

Incoming shitstorm

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Communalism is utopian. Communalism in practice (Democratic Confederalism) is libertarian social democracy.

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It's not about the necessary pragmatism (read: becoming an US proxy) the ideological basis of the while thing is not socialism, they don't plan on abolishing private property or production for exchange.

Not a communalist but do you not see the contradiction of your statements?

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LMAO, sure thing commodity productionalist

uh yea, as a communalist I seek to abolish both those things.
Just because I disagree with Marx in regard to the seizure of the state appartus doesn't mean I don't want to abolish private property. I've never read a single bookchin work that says he supports private property.
Also the whole "sucdem" thing you are accusing of us can be levied against the USSR, so you come off as a hypocrite.

Can't wait until the tankies come in and start pulling fake numbers out of their asses pretending the USSR was the greatest shit ever

the same could be said for any anarchist socialism tbh.

Anarchism and Socialism fucking suck, Im turning into a posadist

Do you know what utopian means in the marxist sense? It's utopian because it is supposed to be socialist, but when the law of value determines production, it can not word. It's just gonna be capitalist.


Sure getting a lot of hot takes here


The difference is that the law of value didn't determine production in the USSR, so it can hardly considered SocDem. Meanwhile Rojava not only plans on keeping private property, they also want entrepreneurship. It's MarkSucc, libertarian SocDem or whatever, but it isn't socialism. Plus it's fucking propped up the US, so barely self-sufficient.

Nor will anyone want to support your snowflake ideology once Rojava stops being useful to US interests.

Jesus christ you fucking children cant even pick a leftist ideology amongst yourselves, what makes you think any normie is going to side with you?

Democratic Cops of America liberals have the numbers you wish you did and it makes me sad that you dont see why. Stop being such fucking purists standing on your stack of books looking down on people. You're just pushing people further right. Stop hitting people over the head with your powerlevel and start finding common ground.

precisely lmao the sdf will be at war with the states in 15-20 years anyway, going by how these things have gone in the past

I can't comment on Rojava much, I haven't been following them recently, but IIRC they kicked a bunch of private land owners out of their country and collectivized their land, so are you sure they want private property?
Regardless Bookchin didn't organize this, he was dead before it, so not sure how that inherently matters.

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Rojava has been collectivizing their economy. And if your gonna claim they want entrepreneurship, give us a source. Preferably something that isn't tankie propaganda.

Pure idealism. Communism is nothing but the other side of the coin for capitalism, the logical negation of its flaws and contradictions. As long as capitalism exists, communism will be its solution. It will be implemented, under that name or any other, as a result of the continued degradation of the capitalist system and the decline of the standards of life of the populace as the rate of profit keeps dropping and the price of labor keeps declining, not because they believe in some spooky ideology or another.

Do you actually understand what communalism is? I'll admit I haven't read every bookchin work, but its largely concerned with the organization of society that will bring about more or less the same things Marx wanted. There are certainly some things Bookchin disagrees with Marx on, but his theory largely isn't either contradictory nor separate from Marxism, as it is anticapitalist.

Literally the majority of his work is focused on how cities should be organized in Marx's stateless soceity. Why not try reading him instead of basing your conclusions on tankie shitposting in the darkest corner of the internet?

D.S.A: "stop being sectarian!"
also D.S.A: "fuck cis white males!"