Jordan Cuckerson BTFO by Vegan Gains

Even Alt-Right plebs like Richard are shitting on the pseud now. I'm really looking forward to the end of having to hear about Peterson.

youtube.com/watch?v=nZHf05gCY74

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cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html
cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00062-X
nature.com/ijo/journal/v30/n3s/full/0803522a.html
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3675642/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase
cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/
vegan.com/alcohol/
researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2
researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2/citations
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

Is this what Afroplasm looks like?

Afroplasm is a hungry skeleton.

No, Afroplasm is probably a fat fuck. He's a self-admitted meatcuck who eats McDonalds. He's a loser, a sucker, a weak sister.

Someone should tell him that the shit Peterson was saying was never all that intelligent, he was just talking about shit Vegan Gains was less educated in and confirmed his already existing prejudices. It's not that Peterson lost his intellectual rigor (he never had any), it's that Vegan Gains lost his confirmation bias.

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even McDonalds tastes better than the average vegan meal. vegetarians at least can eat lots of stuff and can be creative, there's plent of vegetarian dishes i really love. vegan is just barfed garbage with a little beit of salt to fool the person who will be eating that.

Lol you aren't all that bright.

He just appears bright to you because you are a generic normie that thinks Nolan films are very hard to understand.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Peterson or if this is a meta comment talking about Afroplasm

I dunno.

I like split pea soup with carrots and mushrooms. I think it tastes pretty good.

isn't this the cuck who lets his hideous white girlfriend call him a nigger and a faggot?

I swear in my life I would have never thought I would defend afroplasm but at least he's not a veganazi faggot. Go shove deer horns up your asshole, your shitty alternate reality where you impose on everyone veganism because it hurts your feefees has 0 to do with leftism

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holy shit this is rich
you're a faggot, just so you know.

This is just too fucking good. I can't wait for Kermit to find out that a potential half of his base is made up of these fucks.

dude, puppies brains and livers are delicious, try it

wow, are you saying that cows are not getting murdered?

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Vegan Gains is pretty good, I like him. His views on politics are shit but still.

t. Meat is murder is the best smiths song
No he's an idiot. There are better vegans youtubers that don't make you guys look like fools

That implies that most of them are good for anything apart from slaughter. In a vegan world they become completely superfluous.

But that is true. You have to kill an animal to eat it, do you not?

True. But it's the worst smiths song.

I haven't met a single black guy who doesn't get called a nigger in bed. White bitches are crazy.

Tbf, all songs outside of The Best I and II are not very good.

I honestly would.

And meat is healthy.

Ayyyy.
Louder than bombs and hatful hollow are the only compilations worth of a listen. Plus except the first one all the smiths albums are good. Meat is murder is my favorite album but the title tracks is a fucking tumor

I'm going to be a pleb and say that "The queen is Dead" is the best.

Well we are not on /mu/. Not everything that is accepted as the best in the mainstream is considered pleb. I love the queen is dead, but is too polished and I fucking hate cemetery gates and never had no one ever. That said there is a light that never goes out is the GOAT

we should just have a /mu/ thread

Always fun to see this happen to people; especially when they're ignorants.

obligatory

the smiths are shit m8

no, he is not
he actually defend every affirmation he makes with scientific studies

Holla Forumsy-saturated fats are not healthy

Meatcucks truly are a detestable and disgusting breed.

yes they are. have you ever eaten brain?

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Meat is objectively derived through murder. You don't get meat without killing something.

I know you're joking but I sure hope you guys don't do this.

Lol, faggots in this thread have already argued that they couldn't just eat vegetables and fruits, that it's just too weird. It's a common argument you fags make.

lmao how many million tons of meat are consumed every day?
you're just cucking yourself for no reason

tough fucking luck. vegans are objectively unhealthier people on average. if you want to force that onto the whole country then you can fuck right off.

No I'm not, I've eaten goat and sheep brains hundreds of times. Not as nice as bone marrow though.

Yeah, just like refusing to support slavery made no difference, right? And that's not even taking into account the fact that being vegan gives you better arterial health and a longer lifespan.

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I genuinely can't imagine being this mindraped by carnist propaganda. It ain't vegans who are dying of heart disease and obesity.

The Innuits would like to have a word with you

I'm pretty sure the common argument in the real world against vegetarian food is that it tastes like cardboard.

The Innuits would like to have a word with you, they eat almost exclusively meat and have healthy cardiovascular systems. Carbohydrates are primarily the issue in this regard

Fuck's sake.

sorry I get my information from the real world instead of Vegan Gains.

If you actually believe this, you're most likely a pleb who has never eaten a quality meal in their entire life.

none of those things matter to normal people. you're literally so cucked you have to make imitation animal products instead of just getting the real thing like anyone with a brain would do.

fuck this silly black bastard.

You're a fucking retard, fam. Mock meats are meant to help people seamlessly transition to veganism. I've been vegan for five years, and for the last three I haven't eaten anything tofu, any tempeh, or anything else like that. This morning I had a bowl of oatmeal with fresh berries and cherries stirred in, along with a nice glass of freshly squeezed orange juice. And for lunch I had a delicious baked sweet potato sprinkled with chopped walnuts along with diced broccoli and chard.

I have all that and meat too. And REAL milk instead of that low test shit. Fuck off.

No you dumb fuck. All the meat substitutes taste like shit and to eat anything else would be lifestylism.

Enjoy the estrogen, fam.

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Thank fuck the right wingers haven't heard of people like this or we would have a more embarrassing stereotype than latte sipping macbook users.

I think you need to learn what a vegan actually is.

What did he mean by this?

I think you need to realise I'm not going to stop eating meat because you've told me it's a bad, evil, cruel thing to do.

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who gives a fuck if its healthy or not? your "delicious meals" sound disgusting.

This is peak dietary ideology.

I don't eat meat for ethical reasons, the health benefits are a bonus.

This is what I mean by meatcucks being tasteless losers. You're so used to eating shit, you view anything that isn't shit as disgusting. Enjoy the greasy slab of meat smothered in oil and processed condiments.

You're going to get cancer, become obese or be extremely unhealthy if you stick with processed foods. Meat is heavily processed & tainted unless you raise your own cattle, pigs, etc.

STOP NOT EATING MEAT

It's sounds boring without vodka in it, and you guys can't drink vodka

Peterson has decent psychology lectures but he might be the worst popular thinker I've seen when it comes to debating others.

This is my main gripe and why I was calling you out for using the bonus as your primary reason. The way I see it, as capitalism makes meat for exchange, and not use, you're just throwing it in the bin without buying it. I've working in retail and I've seen the amount of food that gets wasted. Meat is easy to cook, quick to cook, and easier logistically than preparing a vegan meal. There's also absolutely no difference beyond personal ethics in which meal you prepare.
I'll eat in vitro meat when it's around, but until then it's much easier and less complicated to eat meat.

yep, and in livestreams as well

SMH, its clear you have no understand of biology and physiology at all.
You are implying that ingested hormones from milk would even have a significant effect on the male body, which is characteristically low in receptors to these hormones (such as estrogen).


Meat does not cause cancer, nitrates and nitrites do. And it takes two seconds to flip over that package and determine if the producer uses these ingredients, in which plenty of options do not, negating your argument.
As for red meat, the IARC has it listed in the same carcinogen class as being a barber, frying food in oil, or using a cell phone. So kindly fuck off with this pseudoscience.

there are a whole hell of a lot more things that are going to give me cancer before the food I eat does. I can live with it.

Isn't this the guy who believes he was abducted by aliens and tried to pick a fight with a body builder one time?

Learn what supply and demand are. Capitalism is of course cancerous and shouldn't exist, but as that it does currently exist, the best thing for people to do in regards to animal welfare is to stop buying meat and animals products in general, thus leading to less profits for the scumbags that run factory farms. Joining the A.L.F. and burnging down your local KFC and liberarting a fur farm or two is also a great step in the right direction.

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B12 is a bacteria that can be found in dirt, if you don't want to take a supplement just grow your own fruits and vegetables and don't rinse them too much.

Even if you don't buy the cancer argument, you didn't address the others. Still going to be unhealthy & obese. Processed food is absolute garbage.
But
cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html
If you have some credible sources or can explain why the WHO would classify them wrongly, please enlighten me.

Have you heard of a thing called 'butcher?'

Where do you think butchers get their animals to kill, retard? Anyways, I hope you do keep on eating meat. You deserve what's coming to you.

Have you heard of 'Murican food? I'm a burger & I've never been to a butcher. Nonexistent here, really.

Tbh, same. Trying to stop smoking atm. But I got tired of feeling like shit all the time & eating actual garbage, so I stopped eating meat/processed foods. I totally understand why some aren't able to right now in the US especially, though. We have almost no access to a proper diet, just like healthcare. Too expensive & harder to get.
There's also the part about how they even slaughter sick animals occasionally, for profit rather than putting the animal or our health into consideration. And I don't want to contribute to killing so many beings. Pigs & cows are awesome creatures, imo. Super cute, too.

Butchers don't sell processed meat, they sell raw meat. The main problem w processed meat is the added E250.

Thank God most people can't take moralist faggots like you seriously.

It's futile arguing with meatcucks. It's the same as arguing with right-wringers about socialism. Besides, the entire human population is going to be eating plant-based in about 40 years given current trends. Just let nature take its course.


cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(14)00062-X


We can't eat dirt. The way herbivorous animals got a good portion of B12 naturally is by drinking water. We filter drinking water nowadays so there's the problem.

Fuck off back to reddit consumer revolt "votes with wallet" man.

Sad.

As somebody how has done research on nutritional biochemistry, it would be my pleasure:

Now, from the first line of your link, it says:
Now look back at my link, in which I stated that the IARC lists red meat as a low level carcinogen, and listed some others. More specifically, it lists it as a level 2a carcinogen:

this mean exactly?

Enjoy the colon cancer.

I just googled 3 random US city names + butcher. Guess what. You do have butchers aplenty. Your ignorance doesn't mean they don't exist.

It's only that way because corporations took the responsibility of raising and slaughtering animals for you. Fast food chains practically feeds the human population and what makes profits are foods that are high in fat, oil, salt, and sugar. If you want to be healthy/plant-based and not have too cook your meals three times a day you can batch cook/meal plan so you only have to cook once a week.

Let the meatcucks poison themselves. The law of cause and effect will treat them accordingly.

And to address your other points, I counter with you didn't address mine from earlier, primarily, the Innuits and northern tribes people, who eat diets very high in meat and fish as compared to us, and yet do not suffer from various cardiovascular afflictions, such as hypercholesterolemia. As I stated, heart disease as well as obesity has more to do with carbohydrate intake than meat consumption.


Jesus, B12 is not a bacteria, it is a chemical called cobalamine, or when supplement, cyanocobalamine. It is not a bacteria. And your argument makes no sense because it is not found in significant levels in plants. Animals such as cows, which eat a shitload of plants (way more than we could ever) experience bioaccumulation, then allow us to intake the necessary amount of it. But you would have to eat as much grass as a cow to get such levels. And don't even start on populating your gut with those bacteria, I don't have time for this shit.

Most people eat meat and very few get colon cancer. This is your brain on veganism.

I'm all for eliminating consumption of animals but this is not a reason to do it. Vegans do a disservice to the animals they pretend to care about so much by being such shitty advocates.

Still a carcinogen, which you also called pseudoscience, btw.
Your post just confirms their & my point. With red meat being a possible carcinogen & processed as a carcinogen…

You living in Alaska, nigger? Do you go out on the ice and fish everyday?

Furthermore, you still did not address

You can't even come up with an argument or present counter evidence? Can't make this shit up

Most "vegan scientific studies" don't differentiate b/w processed and unprocessed meat. So for them eating colored, flavor-enhanced, filled with soy, filled with preservatives, filled with sodium nitrite hot dogs = eating meat from a butcher.

Vegans literally have no arguments. They can't explain why Eskimos whose diet consists mainly of raw and cooked meat have much, much lower cancer rates than vegans stuffing their stupid faces with gluten.

Colon cancer is due to E250 additive and not due to the meat itself, you pseudo-scientific hack.

Maybe in some, ironically also vegan, bigger cities. Most proles are ignorant or just don't have them in their town. Do you forget how Wal-Mart & other large corps put them out of business by destroying the competition of Main Street?

Tell me what city you live in, I'll google it for you.

OF course it is. Keep on eating that meat, big boy. It's 100% healthy, you can believe me.

I'm not the user you were talking to about that. I'm not really concerned with the Innuits & what's true for one group of people is not true for all.

Guess how I know you're from Holla Forums or elsewhere? Because I have to go back to the initial posts just to figure our what the argument is even about. It's like clockwork.
Then yeah, aka butcher. No reason to even have this back & forth.

Never said I was a vegan, you retard. I'm just a vegetarian.
Go back to Holla Forums.

No, what I am saying is it is a possible carcinogen. Its less cancerous than oxygen, which radicalizes when mitochondria shit the bed. Its less cancerous than the sun.
And its less cancerous than the IARC's group 1 carcinogens, such as:
-Alcoholic beverages
-Leather dust
-Mineral oil
-Wood dust
-Salted fish

Yes, yes, user.

So you shouldn't eat possible carcinogens.
Lmao, such science. Source, please. That sounds absurd. Unless you're talking about polluted oxygen, which going by your posting so far, you probably obfuscated this as well.
The main variable in this case I would say is rate of exposure & quantity. If you're doing or eating carcinogenic things often, that's not healthy.

Yes I did, I said it obesity is largely due to carbohydrate consumption:
nature.com/ijo/journal/v30/n3s/full/0803522a.html
Its very complicated stuff but never the less you can't just slap unhealthy on there without defining unhealthy according to what parameters?


Obviously not, and there is genetic reasons why this is so with the eskimoes. Nevertheless it is well accepted that high fat, low carb (low glycemic) ketogenic diets reduce body fat in general. With that being said, this is still also a massive component of the so called Mediterranean diet, which is high in fish as well, as compared to western diets. Even the French, who consume meat, still have lower rates of heart disease than the US.

Absolutely:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3675642/
Sounds absurd but mitochondria split O2 molecules, which produces oxygen free radicals. Normally this is ok, but sometimes they escape and damage DNA. Which is the reason we have enzymes, such as superoxide dismutase in our bodies:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superoxide_dismutase

And red meat being listed as a potential carcinogen just means there is some data that might suggest it, but once again from the IARC's words, not mine:
"Limited evidence means that a positive association has been observed between exposure to the agent and cancer but that other explanations for the observations (technically termed chance, bias, or confounding) could not be ruled out."

Just to put this in perspective, because this is tiring, if you have ever drank tea, which is listed as a level 2A carcinogen according to the IARC (as it is a "hot beverage"), you have the same supposed risk of getting cancer as somebody who eats red meat

Well we're not talking about carbs right now. You've already shown that eating a carcinogen or possible carcinogen (i.e. red & processed meat) is not healthy. Usually it's a mix of different foods people are eating that cause you to be obese or unhealthy. Furthermore, most carbs available are in the form of processed foods.
You're really reaching, lmao.

And if you do it often, you're upping that risk & being unhealthy.

Incorrect, I'd agree with you 100% in regard to processed meat, but what I am saying is the evidence isn't great that red meat itself causes cancer, given the IARC level 2A rating

Not even remotely, I'm struggling to get this through to you.
How exactly is something which may potentially cause cancer, but we don't really know because the evidence isn't that solid, cause you to be unhealthy? All things in moderation, and as a healthy proportion of the diet are fine. Obviously excessive red meat consumption is a problem in some regards, I wouldn't deny that, but there is no reason medically to assume red meat consumption in and of itself is a problem.

There’s nothing wrong with murdering cows though.

That's fair and I'd agree with that. But veganism isn't moderation, its abstinence, which I think is absurd

Of course anglos are vegan.

OBVIOUSLY!

I'm not a vegan, just a vegetarian. But as long as you can get all of the the nutrients from plants, I see no harm in it. Also I love animals & since most food is processed, it's largely garbage.
Even if people went to butchers rather than processed, I think it's a step in the right direction. They'd also realize how much work & sacrifice goes into obtaining, slaughtering & producing the meats they eat, so they'd cut down or stop eventually.

cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/

KILL ALL MEATCUCKS

NO MEATCUCK IS WORTH SAVING

Butchers aren't really a solution, you'd have to go farmers markers
Listen, I don't have a problem with veganism per say, and I personally advocate for diminished meat consumption, but see no issue with occassional meat consumption. Especially fish, since the specific fatty acids we get from fish are either not produced by the body, or are very poorly produced.
Specifically in regard to omega 3 and 6 polyunsaturated fats, we can get some from plants (such as flax seed). The issue is we can't get all of them from plants, and others we can convert from those we get in plants, but our bodies are terrible at it. So overall it simply makes sense nutritionally to get them from meat.


Ethics, how undialetical


Cute coming from an anprim. How do all those hunter-gatherer societies you wish to emulate function? See:

Same. The problem is, most people eat it wayyyyy too often. I moved from the states where I was broke & only had access to shitty processed foods. I moved to India & it made me realize how often we eat meat in the US, especially the south where I'm from. I also have much better access to fruits, veg, here now.
I was just telling this to my SO the other day, justifying the first time eating fish since I quit meat. Mainly though because a relative cooked a special meal. Otherwise I'd look to flax seeds, etc, for those nutrients. There are many nutrients in plants/herbs that we can get, though, so I'm going that route.

I just wish people in the US could grasp how fucked they are form their diets. Most people don't even eat real food anymore.

Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with enslaving black people, right? Morality is just a spook, lol .

And it's also how they get a lot of parasites and diseases.

Lifestylism is sub-reformist…. which means we need an eco-stalinist state to throw your meat in the trash can and burn it >:^)

Yeah but enslaving "kulaks" is okay and is just a part of communism lol

ehhh
vegan.com/alcohol/

Shoplifting meat is the true revolutionary commievegan stance.

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No, you see here is how I know you are full of shit:

The man has his entire career's worth of work, including all of his published works, looked at by people far smarter, better educated, and far wiser than anyone who vists this board, in doing so they have done inly one of two things: either they have destroyed his arguments (which he then takes on that new information and that changes his mind, which is called learning btw) or they have not been able to shift it with anything better.

You might also take note that these are concepts that people like jung, and freud, and niezche touched upon quite frequently, not to mention plato and aristotle.

You might say that these concepts have weathered far greater scrutiny than vegangains' or anyone here has to offer, and not only have they stood against that and prevailed, your scrutiny and vegangains scrutiny is so pissweak it hasn't even made a dent, and has made you look intellectually feeble in the process.

You cannot twist reality, without reality twisting you right the fuck out of the picture.

Name one, faggot. Peterson is a hack professor. He hasn't written a single thing worth a damn.

researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2

Read it for yourself.

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You may never admit it openly, but you just conceded.

You don't have to be so miserable, in fact, when you are ready to allow yourself accept your flaws, you can actively do something to solve them. It won't be easy, but start by cleaning your room. We both know your room is in total chaos, and your dirty landry, those cups, the half eaten food all appear as snakes in your mind. Remove the snakes.

not an argument

Have you read them, retard? The question isn't if he's written anything, it's if he has written anything of value.

I'm so glad that Peterson is the problem of centrists and rightists. We have our own fags of course, but none are as insufferable as a mediocre professor full of pretensions and with a fanbase of pseuds.

You're trying to repel an argument to authority formulated by someone who believes merely referencing thinkers, regardless of the aptness of the reference or even proper understanding of those thinkers, makes one an expert in a field in which one has zero academic credit.

No you don't get it. You can win any argument by randomly interjecting that someone probably has a dirty room.

I've personally cut down on my meat consumption. Most people simply won't do it because they don't care or they're advertised to or they are just hedonists living in an easy society.

I care about the environment so even if other people don't want to do anything it doesn't mean I can't do my part.

More power to you, lad.

yeah i mean life isn't sacred, i like meat and i think his moralism is super faggy. also, try being a legit vegan and believing in spooky shit like 'rights' while supporting shit like capitalism.

dude is in for a rude awakening if he keeps asking all these questions lmao

No one is employing an argument to authority here. Not one person here has any of the intellectual brunt of someone like Jung, or Nietzsche.

Not a single one of you have had a single response any more vigorous than an overly verbose "pfft"

It's pretty pathetic.

Now clean your room, I fucking mean it, otherwise I'll have to tell your mother.

Soy bois get the bullet too

lol so basically, become an edgy lifestylist and get thrown in jail on trumped up terrorism charges. nice. i'm sure this will solve it

Why the fuck did Kermit even start talking about diet anyway? Is he trying to see how many fields he can fake his way into getting shekels from?

STEM major syndrome.

What the fuck kind of black men have you been meeting

I wanna be veganised by a guy who nearly killed a dog through diet ideaology

Bite Size Vegan has a plant-fed dog and it looks pretty healthy.
Cats are the only real carnivores.

wow, veganism is a purity sect. who woulda thunk

It wasn't a dog, it was a wolf. Harry Potter made him buy it. He's boipucci whipped by that Nordic trap.

Have you seen him trying to talk about Marxism?

If that's the level of intellectual rigor we can expect from him, then I'm not going to to waste my time.

I'll concede to him that he's probably very masterful in the realm of Jungian psychology, where he has his Ph.D, but on everything else? No, he's just a dumbass.

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I can bet he is better educated in marxism than you lol

How about Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn? Is he wrong about marxism?

all those cute girls
wtf im vegan now

yes, you fucking idiot. solzhenitsyn didn't even write about marxism, he bitched about his imprisonment in a literally fictional account. what next, are you going to ask if the black buk of gommyoonizm was wrong about marxism? what a joke

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Fuck, this is depressing.

Stop being a meatcuck then.

This is so stupid. You could say that about basically anyone in academia, yet you wouldn't agree with that "anyone" if they were a Marxist. It's an appeal to authority (on a topic in which Peterson doesn't have any particular credibility). This reminds me of the very old "scientists are right about every field, no matter what they say" nonsense people used to (and still occasionally today) believe.

I mentioned this in the other thread, but his reading of Nietzsche (not "niezsche") is bizarre to the point that it has nothing to do with Nietzsche and everything to do with Peterson.

Brigitte Bardot pls.

That's typical for hack professors. He's never going to create anything himself, so he seeks to reshape the ideas of others, and ironically enough, subvert them.

Marx had a theory, his theory was proven monstrously disastrous.

Yet all the evidence in the world still doesnt stop the mentally deficient from wanting to "give it just one more try, only this time bigger"

This is not an appeal to authority, he happens to be accurate on the psychological underpinning of ideology, and motivations. It also happens to work on multiple levels once you actually take the time to watch the entire maps of meaning lecture series.

But no continue to hate him because "muh hate everything the alt right likes" attitude.

You know in your heart you are a lazy sack of shit with no prospects, but you'd rather shoot the messenger.

Im veggie, shut the fuck up tho

Get back to me when you invent the CPU and until then stop telling people you are good with computer, you fucking hack.

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This and then this again.

Now that's a straw man.

after the revolution there won't be any meat or vegetables anyway so its a moot point

Do you just throw these terms around incorrectly on purpose or by incompetence?

By the logic of the original poster no one single person can use knowledge they have gained from another person without being a "hack".

Not one person here has articulated petersons conclusions and then addressed, not one.

Every single response has been snark dismissal, with cynical defeatist overtones.

Hell we even had someone pull me up on my mistyping of Nietzsche's name in CY+2, if that's the level of rigor we can expect from the brightest minds of this thread, then I think you have proven petersons overall thesis in a far more conclusive fashion than even 1000s of years of sustainable archetypes ever could.

If anyone cares to take a moment I can break down petersons thesis into a more cohesive fashion so that you at least have a fighting chance, because at this rate, it's actually becoming a little too entertaining watching you navigate this mental maze you have trapped yourselves in.

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This, our diet will be entirely mineral based.

They were not enslaved. They just realised their fault at being counterrevolutionary so they did their best to recieve forgiveness from Soviet Motherland and Soviet people

Damn, this guy is setting acedemia on fire with his research

I probably would have cooked it first.

Aren't they the ones doing the research?

Why do vegans think everyone who isn't one eats on McDonalds every day? Ofc eating processed meat is bad for your health. I use meat in less than half of the dinners I make for myself, and I have no problem if you never make yourself meat dishes. But if you are enough of an insufferable faggot to tell everyone at a family dinner, wedding or when you are at your friends house that you're too good of a person to eat their food, it is just virtue signaling.
Also, animals aren't humans

You're wrong.
The IARC groups make no judgement about just how carcinogenic something really is. It is just about their probability of being carcinogenic to humans. How much data there is that supports the claim. Which is just what you were quoting. But seemingly didn't understand.
Group 1 is definitely carcinogenic. But they are not all just as cancerous. You don't have the same supposed risk of getting cancer by drinking ethanol (alcoholic beverages) and drinking benzene. Both Group 1 carcinogens. And nobody claims that all Group 1 agents have a higher risk of giving you cancer than any Group 2A carcinogen. Because that is completely not what these groups are about.

Wrong

Fuck me you cant even click on some links to check

researchgate.net/profile/Jordan_Peterson2/citations


Not every paper is fucking solid gold you sperg

Vegan Gains is a brainlet reactionary skepticâ„¢, even worse than Peterson. Peterson is clearly talking about the fact that he sees value in established patterns of behaviour embodied by religion, without which the same behavioural patterns emerge in more primitive forms, such as Veganism. You can argue whether or not that's accurate, but you can't just bitch at him because he's not using words how you want them to be used, or demand that he cite scientific studies. With that being said, Peterson is still drastically wrong in most areas because he fails to understand things and then just lumps them under 'postmodernism'.

Also there's literally nothing wrong with prioritising a more intelligent species interests over animals, since its not unreasonable to consider that more intelligent beings have a more complex experience of the world, and thus should be entitled to greater rights to fulfil such a complex experience. Basically, seeing as molluscs can't comprehend civil liberties, they need not be given civil liberties. While the widespread animal cruelty of modern meat production is wrong, it is not wrong in principle to kill and eat animals

Rocks have feelings too you organic supremacist. Stop lording your nucleic acid muh privilege over the unfortunate sinner.