What should the anti-imperialist position on the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar be?

What should the anti-imperialist position on the Rohingya crisis in Myanmar be?

Part of me is skeptical about the whole situation. Myanmar's two biggest military and economic allies are China and Russia. The Rakhine region, where the fighting/"genocide" is taking place, is the cite of a Chinese pipeline. Russia provides Myanmar with a large amount of military aid and infrastructure.

Any nation which attempts to aid the Rohingya by providing them with arms will have to answer to the Chinese and the Russians. This makes me think this "genocide" is just a new Kony 2012: an excuse for western intervention and de facto proxy war.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi#Response_to_violence_against_Rohingya_Muslims_and_refugees
google.com/amp/s/imperialglobalexeter.com/2017/03/02/chinas-neo-imperialism-in-africa-perception-or-reality/amp/
albawaba.com/loop/feature-why-arab-rage-online-over-plight-rohingya-can-be-counterproductive-1017514
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It's like Syria: there is no side to support.

Aside from the very obvious of condemning these pogroms (which look like they're becoming a genocide), maybe people should do some actual fucking research before jumping to a wildly uneducated, chauvinistic position. If there's a genocide that's getting any coverage in the western press, then it means the west is involved or wants to get involved somehow. One thing I've seen pointed out is that one of the influential people in this affair is a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi#Response_to_violence_against_Rohingya_Muslims_and_refugees
If Holla Forums was worth a shit we'd be doing some real digging on things like this instead of just listening to what Trots and Socdems have to say.


KYS imperialist.

Amerikkka did it

Aung San Suu Kyi's relationship with the West has been dwindling every since she became de facto president of Myanmar, partially due to this entire crisis.

I've already pointed out in my OP that the US has an incentive to arm the Rohingya as a proxy against China. If that's not suspicious I don't know what is.

When will you realize that your beloved "anti-American" states would align with America if it suited their needs (as Assad did in attacking Iraq in 1991 like a vulture) in a heartbeat? When will you realize that "anti-imperial" powers are just another bloc of imperial capitalist powers willing to genocide and exploit people to their own ends, that none of those in power are on your side?
A socialist's allegiance is not with a state draped in red but with the people and whatever benefits their quality of life. If you can't do that, then you're not leftwing.

Can you try not to be a caricature of yourself before you finish making your first post?

Yep. I would be inclined to support the YPG if they tried to establish communism, but they're not doing that.

Are you a bot?

He's right. Assad's ineptitude lead Syria right into imperial control, there's part to blame how he handled it leading into the civil war itself. He fucked up into allowing Syria to slip from his grasp. He's partially culpable.

Plus, she took power in 2015. This conflict (which looks more like a civil war than an all-out genocide) started years before that.

Weird how you invented this massive conspiracy theory. I never said anything like that. I'm encouraging people here to actually DIG INTO THE EVIDENCE and FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON instead of simply jumping on an event you're clueless about to score masturbatory points.

Could be. However, there do seem to be deadly pogroms going on at least.

yes, western press has reported on this on-and-off for years.

I only exist to fight Amerikka, imperialism is the primary contradictiom, brown people are too stupid to make a revolution so they must serve nationalist authoritarian porkies to survive

Since when does anti-imperialism mean chinese imperialism?

Hi Jason.

China isn't imperialist. Imperialism implies super-profits.

It's a civil war. The Burmese government has been fighting Rohingya insurgents. There's a very fine line between "genocide" and "civil war" though.

I hate America too, but this is fucking silly

Again, imperialism = super-profits

Tell me how and where China is extracting super-profits.

If you faggot are trying to false flag as me, you should go kill yourself now. Find a post in my post history were I say racist shit like that or make mindless critique of the eagle like that isn't shitpost.

So it has nothing to do with foreign policy implementation

It's all part of the same deal.

I have no reason to believe China is looking in everyone's best interests, it can also, fuck up with foreign relationships.

It shouldn't be above critique just for being China. Putting it on a stool isn't going to make the world a better place.

It's more like this: China and Russia have the *potential* to serve as a counter-imperialist bloc against the West and the West's allies (which includes the Gulf Arab states, Turkey, etc.).

How is that a "conspiracy theory"? It's what you implied. Why would you bring that up otherwise?
Fair enough.

Since BO's brain melted.

BO?

They also have the capability of taking advantage of local conflicts that serve no interest to those nations but their own long term goals.

One does not have to twist into a yoga position to constantly defend the actions of a nation, nation can and will fuck up in a manner that helps America, or in a way that doesn't help bring revolution to other nations.

Shut up imperialist, when my Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Assadist-Putinist-Jucheist sect gains power, you will get the wall because ur an annoying muh privileged first-worldist

Lemme guess, you support the YPG over Assad?

No it isn't. I'm just pointing it out as a small piece of information that could lead to a bigger picture. That's what digging is.

I think Assad isn't blameless to his own fall. He was incompetent, he slipped, and the West took advantage of the situation. That's inarguable.

let me guess, you think the USSR was communism?

How do you do, BO?

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It was a bit more than that. His response to free speech activism at the worst time possible, in the dumbest way possible, not only paved the way for rebel success

But also was imitated by ISIS itself when he started losing control.

So yes,, the way he managed to lead his nation into civil war lead straight to America taking advantage of it. It's not surprising.

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My fucking god ultras have turned this board into a shithole. Not a single conflict can be analyzed or researched because "they are both bad lmao xDD".

Board owner


Chinese advances in Africa are certainly reminiscent of European imperialism:
google.com/amp/s/imperialglobalexeter.com/2017/03/02/chinas-neo-imperialism-in-africa-perception-or-reality/amp/

Also Chinese and America are both guilty of imperialism and trade protectionism in the South China Sea as they butt heads over control. Call it what you will but it certainly fits the bill of imperialism, as the numerous countries, including Vietnam and Japan techinically have sovereignty over zones within the sea

This is revisionist bullshit. Most of Syria had no protests at all, and the armed mercenaries (who snuck in through the Turkish border) initiated the conflicts in the major cities.

How was it not socialism? Jason Unruhe already debunked Muke on the subject. The USSR didn't even have surplus value ffs.

The Rohingya were the ones who started this mess way back when they began their insurgency. In fact, they've committed massacres of their own against Buddhists.

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Myanmar and China are close allies. Do you not think that ANY kind of western involvement in this conflict will simply lead to some kind of war with China?

Yet the Syrian people still took a side enough for the point to matter for the government to crack down on the internet enough for the west to use it as an excuse to villanize the government, which created the hot button issue to begin with.

You can't just say Assad is blameless for his regime toppling down, that's absolutely ridiculous. He wasn't prepared to reach this point at all.

Relevant article:
albawaba.com/loop/feature-why-arab-rage-online-over-plight-rohingya-can-be-counterproductive-1017514

They have sided with the Syrian government from the beginning.

Western media "hot button topics" don't reflect what people in Syria actually think.

Literally blaming the victims. Over 100,000 Syrian soldiers have died to save their country from imperialist Al Qaeda conquest, and you sit in your computer chair telling us how they deserve blame for not being on constant full alert and simultaneously not being more tolerant.

I haven't read sources where this is accurate, both sides disseminated false information in order to make other factions or the state itself look impressive, this kind of information dissemination can be reached to Assad in the beginning of things.

I don't think anyone speaking on behalf of Syria has an actual understanding of what they want basing it on the past, but that doesn't work in your favor of the explanation that the Syrian people were just loyal forever either.


I'm not blaming the victims, I'm blaming the state apparatus of Syria for not containing this early on and losing fucking Syria to imperial powers. You can be held responsible for fucking up.

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look at these proud anti imperialists xddddd

I don't see how Rojava would be anymore socialist than the USSR

You are blaming thousands of dead Syrians. KYS.

I'm actually not at all. I'm blaming the Syrian government for its decision making in creating this crisis through ignorance of the magnitude of what was actually happening. The government should have been more prepared.

Assad isn't infallible just because he's anti-Israel.

basing a position on "anti-imperialism" is a dead giveaway on you having not read Marx

every single capitalist state is imperialist
even the third world

m8 I don't know how you expect them to abolish the commodity form under their current conditions. They do have plenty of policies and have stated publicly that their goal is to create a society more oriented towards use values than exchange values.

Who here is saying that? It's tankies like you who suggest only america is capable of imperialism, an utterly absurd statement that neither Marx nor Lenin would agree with

lolno read marx, read lenin

This is good. Many socialists always seem to treat modern geopolitics like some cold war era ideological football game.