Having trouble refuting this. Is Jason right?

Having trouble refuting this. Is Jason right?

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Except capitalist states are capitalist states.

First worldists are purists abroad and "realists" at home. This is true. They don't want their flow of gibs from disrupted, which is what local fascist take overs and also global anti-imperialist communist revolutions tend to do.

What did you mean by this

I've asked him if he'd make the comparison to how Sukarno sided with the Japanese during WWII to get the Dutch out of Indonesia, or how Muslim Moroccans fought for Franco during the Spanish Civil War because they assumed the fascists would liberate them not just from colonialism but also from secularism and socialism. Of course, he didn't respond.

To be fair, tankies are the reverse: utopians at home, "realists" abroad.

I'm neither a first or third worldist I'm just a worldist
It dosent matter in what country a worker is being oppresed because it's a worker non dependant on nation

As for Jason's stupid fucking reasoning
Just because I'm against U.S imperialism in Syria dosent mean I like Assad or his policies and vice versa

Well first of all antifa isn't a smaller ethnonationalist group, in yuropoor they're even communists. Second of all the people who make the first argument will take the chomsky or zizek line and decry antifa. I assume Jason was too busy playing fallout to bother reading the arguments.

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spoopy

Despite not being the most eloquent person, Jason is right about almost everything everytime.

It grinds people's gears so they won't admit it.

But if antifa wins, the people win too.

The problem is that anti-imperialism abroad is always done in the name of protecting capital and done by the ruling class fighting other members of the ruling class.

Of course I'll support foreign Antifa fighting their own homebrew fascists.

Of course you have trouble refuting it - it's a straw man. You don't have to be a turd worldist to oppose imperial meddling in other countries, or to conclude that in this or that civil war one side is preferable to the other.

Though fascism and anti-fascism are hardly the same at all, I have no problem denouncing both, albeit unequally, the first harshly as the reactionary incarnation of capital it is, the other as the misguided progressive savior of liberal democratic capitalism.

And I don't get why he drops that Maoite jargon of "the People" in there as if to strawman himself; the purpose of desiring revolutionary defeatism is because it is precisely always the proletariat that loses in whichever anti-imperialist struggle session between various bourgeois factions.

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libcom.org/library/the-invariance-of-the-revolutionary-position-on-war-the-meaning-of-revolutionary-defeatism-communism-12

What if I am in favour of supporting the weaker of imperialist forces in a bid to increase the amount of slaughter of imperialists?

Except most "anti-imperialist" states are as bourgeois and reactionary as the imperialist states. Anti-imperialism is not an excuse to do literally fucking anything.

In comparison, calling antifa da weal fascists is an extremely obvious false equivalence. One destroyed most of Europe, the other is on par with football hooliganism.

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Turd Worldism is literally liberalism.

That little bit of skin above Marx's finger where the beard should be upsets me more than it should. I hate to see a decent piece of work disrupted by such an oversight.

It's his thumb ya big dummy.

poopie

Wow Jason you've grown

No one says that. All you have to do to refute it is say "straw man", because it's true. Nice try, tankie shill.

This is unbelievably stupid. Antifa aren't exploiting anybody. The worst criticism you can throw at them is that they're bad praxis done by idiots. Third world exploitation is exploitation regardless.

The imperialist conflict is the conflict between whether suplus value goes to Porky in the First World or Porky in the Third World. That money isn't going back to the People or the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Country🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 whoever wins.

Can tankies honestly attempt to justify Hungary 1958? I'm still waiting

Tankie is strawman. I'm a ML (fuck mao) and I would never support the invasion of the gulash comrades and czech cuties.
Honestly i never even met one that justify that shit. The definition of tankie is krushevite more than anything

The definition of tankie is sending the tanks into Hungary/CZ.

Wrong. Khrushchev was against it, while Molotov was strongly for it. Khrushchev only sent in the tanks once Liu Shaoqi phoned in on Mao's orders and talked to him.

Look up Reactionary

No, you're just retarded